Pokémon X and Y: Where Nostalgia Ends | Retrospective
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Pokémon X and Y are a pair of video games released for the Nintendo 3DS in 2013, following 2012's Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 for the Nintendo DS. These games were the start of a new era for the series - fully 3D on a handheld, a new battle gimmick in the form of Mega Evolution, and overall incredibly divisive. Some people see these games as the high point of the series, and some see them as the start of a variety of issues that continue to plague new Pokémon games to this day.
As for Jamie, well, it's complicated.
Today on Stuff We Play, come along for this 48-minute-long video essay retrospective on the good and bad of Pokémon X and Y, the state of Pokémon ten-ish years ago, and on how experiencing video games change as we get older, and where feelings of childhood nostalgia seem to end.
Time Stamps:
Intro: 00:00
What was the first 3D Pokémon RPG?: 01:54
Did something fundamentally change with Pokémon?: 02:48
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Quick Recap: 03:31
The Launch of Pokémon X and Y: 04:51
Why is this where nostalgia ends for me?: 07:18
Game Deep Dive Part 1: 09:25
Meet your Many Rivals: 11:19
Early Game Woes: 12:56
The Gen 1 Reference Count: 14:12
Game Deep Dive Part 2: 16:27
Unused Train Stations, Unenterable Labs, and Underwhelming Post-Game: 18:57
Game Deep Dive Part 3: 21:17
Jamie's Unofficial Really Fast X and Y Egg Hatching Guide: 25:37
Game Deep Dive Part 4: 27:13
Pokédex Size vs Early Game Pokémon Variety: 29:48
X and Y Did Some, At the Time, Unique Things: 30:37
You Can Get a Useable Party Without Much (or any) Pokémon Catching: 31:24
Sky Battles Suck: 33:20
Game Deep Dive Part 5 (ft. Fairy Types): 34:29
I found the plot!: 37:07
Game Deep Dive Part 6: Endgame: 39:00
The Ending is a Mixed Bag: 41:14
Does Kalos Stand Out?: 42:37
Growing Pains: 43:33
Conclusion: 47:04
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Pokemon X and Y's biggest issue is that they were never able to conclude their story, and have been perpetually left hanging.
There were no follow-ups to them so now they've kind of become a lingering memory lingering memory for everybody and that incomplete feeling that some have about these games have for many blood into other games after this
No they were just bad
@@cameroncox1008 saying something is bad without offering anything further isn't really good criticism IMO.
What did they do wrong? What exactly can be prevented from stopping this from happening again?
These questions have to be baked into the criticism so that we can articulate things Beyond good thing bad thing
Heck even going through the main game, it just felt outright unfinished. Stuff like Az and his floette and the desert areas are just left alone and never touched upon.
Plus they never dropped a software update to use the ORAS megas in XY WiFi battles.
@cameroncox1008
No they wasn’t “bad”
It’s just Pokémon fan expectations never met or can’t be met after all those years
X/Y have some downs but they have so many ups too
The in game playing from riding skiddo to ridding mamoswine through the snow
Cities designs was incredible
From the mansion to the historic city to the most modern one to the snowy city
Walking around skating was an awesome and unique experience
The starter line up was incredible
Heck they managed to to make a starter that can rival charizard aka greninja how awesome is that .
Xerneas , yveltal , Zygarde , diance , hoopa all some of the sickest coolest legendary /mythical designs of all times
Pokémon design was awesome too so many incredible and unique designs
The route/ cities theme music was incredible
Go and google theme music of every gen
I guarantee you, you will see x/y on the most viewed if not the most viewed
So it’s common opinion
The introduction of multi battle and 3v3 was an awesome experience that so many creator was able to get so much value out of and fans by watching therefore playing too
Wanna talk about the core mechanics in mega evolution being the most liked mechanic among Pokémon fans until this day
All these are ups
Yes there’s some downs too
From unpolished story to small pool of mons
But the won’t change the fact the game was really awesome and enjoyable experience
We wish Zygarde and Az floette was more involved to the game and the story was better
But just because few aspect but that doesn’t make the entire experience is horrible
Cause it wasn’t
Its fun that X and Y is where nostalgia starts for me.
I agree I feel like x and y where really good games. Sun and moon was the start of bad pokemon games in my opinion
same
Absolutetly same!!!
@@MesmerizingEyesXOXO I agree, XY/ORAS the most fun to play/replay
Yeah but now you're old like the rest of us 🤣
Personally I felt like they had a lot of missed potential.
The Kalos region aestheticly is one of my favorites. It has a lot of personality imo with the skating, pokemon riding, the overall city design and oh my god the fashion.
Character customisation in XY is still my favorite since the clothes you can pick from feel more mature compared to the latter generation
Yeah, most people see XY as a failure, while it was a success. It is basically the *Super Mario 64* of Pokémon. The jump was crazy. Not only the 3D, but the atmosphere, a huge Pokédex, the best online feature somehow, the try to balance the game (fairy), trainer customization. Sure, a lot was clunky, but XY was a way better game at launch that Diamond and Pearl could have been (hopefully, Platinum saved the 4G). People were hopeful for the next games, waiting for Z-version for the ultimate experience, as the Platinum of 6G. We never have it.
What surprise me is that they were so unsure about the success of XY, they *needed* to wink at Pokémon Red & Blue nostalgia as crazy: Viridian Forrest recreation, access to Gen1 starters, Pikachu anime cry...
Then came Sun & Moon. It felt more like a 6.5G game. It is as if we had *Super Mario 64: Beach edition,* than *Super Mario Sunshine.* Same thing for Galar: more a *Super Mario 64: Remaster* than a *Super Mario Galaxy.* The clunkiness of Pokémon XY were never addressed. Nowadays, people accuse XY to be the origin of the problem. It wasn't. It is GF that do not want to keep their games up to current standard (they have the money for, they just don't want to fix the company, mostly putting money and teaching in dev).
@@Clemehl well Gen 5 was a relative disaster when it severed all links to previous gens, you cannot blame them for banking on nostalgia to try and win people back. We'll never know what would have happened if they had had the confidence to let it stand on its own.
I do think the success of that strategy has led to some of the decisions for the later games so, with hindsight, Gen 6 does deserve some blame. The only reason we are getting increasingly rubbish battle gimmicks is because of Mega Evolutions.
Yeah, I think that was the main driving force behind Gen 6's Kanto Pandering, People complained in Gen V about the fact that all old pokemon were unobtainable until post game so they did a complete 180 and added so much kanto stuff. Literally Santalune Forest is almost a 1:1 recreation of Viridian Forest, like half of all Megas introduced in X and Y were original 151 and Charizard and Mewtwo got TWO. @@intergalactic92.
But overall I still enjoy Gen 6, best and most straightforward online mode (Sad that Nintendo is shutting it down in less than 6 months), Fairy Type brought some balance to Dragon Types, and Super Training was a fun way to train IVs. While X and Y are by no means my favorite, they were still good enough entries when you take into account the leap from 2D to 3D that happened.
@@intergalactic92when you start with a natural “evolution” to what came before, the only way you can go is down
The X&Y nostalgia cycle will begin soon because the kids who grew up with them are now entering adulthood. It happens to every generation after a decade or so. For me X&Y we’re the first main series games I skipped completely.
Yeah and Im gonna actually hate it because its gonna gaslight the community into thinking x and Y were "peak" pokemon when literally any other game has an argument for it before the switch except these two titles specifically
Hi, that would be me. This was the first Pokémon game I've ever played
I've already seen tiktoks from mfs that are nostogic about X and Y, its crazyy 💀
@@TGiona I don’t have TikTok, so I haven’t seen them. What game(s) are you nostalgic for?
@@TGiona NOOOOOOO
Pokémon X & Y will actually be one of my favorites as it was one of my very first main line games I physically owned. But I can agree that X & Y had quite the flaws & I’m not afraid to admit that. If we ever do get a Pokémon Z one day that does deal with the many flaws of these games, I would be one of the most happiest people alive.
So yeah… They may have not been the best games, but they were the stepping stone for the next few main line 3D games and I will forever be thankful for that.
Same, I may agree with the criticisms of them, but this game was given to me at the age of 10 or so. As a kid I wouldn’t have cared. It was the first game I played that introduced me to Pokémon. It will forever have a place in my heart. Especially Xerneas, my favorite Pokémon.
I actually loved X and Y. But I can agree that X & Y had quite the flaws & I’m not afraid to admit
Same I absolutely loved X&Y and would've definitely benefited from getting A third entry like diamond and pearl did.
@@tivionte961 I totally agree!
"Stepping stone" except the 3d games got debatably worse cause they kept cutting out the few good thongs x and y did well like mega evolutions, clothing styles, and pss. Pokemons in a harsh state rn overall
Pokémon X & Y definitely don’t deserve the hate they receive… Sword & Shield are truly a game that deserves to be hated lol
Fun fact: I'm now living in Germany, thanks to what I do for work! This video was recorded and edited while travelling around and settling into my new (and potentially permanent) place!
Another fun fact: Before my flight, I traded a few Switch games in and had a choice of a Scarlet/Violet preorder, or picking up Legends: Arceus and one of the Hyrule Warriors games. With everything I've heard about glitches and stability issues, I think I made the right choice by taking the latter option.
Update on that: Legends Arceus was good but perhaps a bit overhyped. Hyrule Warriors is a blast! As of April 2023 I still haven't tried S/V. Unless they really patch those glitches, I think they'll end up being a permanent pass from me.
Third and final fun fact: Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are called Pokémon Karmesin and Purpur in Germany. I was really surprised by that the first time I walked into a Mediamarkt!
Really cool, I'm watching this from Germany as I live here too. Hope you're having a good time here!
The karmesin and purpur is in part connected to something very common here: renaming titles or adding unnecessary additional parts to the title lmao.
I was about 8 or 9 when i played Y.
I grew up with an older brother who played previous generations, I always wanted to have a better relationship with him. I was a very lonely kid and Y felt like a new and exciting adventure, the rivals felt like friends and i loved the characters. I have since played previous generations and i can agree that they are better.
I loved the world, it was so pretty but aspects of it felt sad and empty even to me at the time. I havent really played any of the more recent generations, i couldnt afford a switch when sword and shield came out. When i could afford them they looked dull and nothing like the pokemon i remember.
Nostalgia is weird...
As a gen 1 baby, I loved XYORAS. The game was so great for breeding, EV training, team building and WiFi battles which is my favourite part of pokémon. I felt the post game was good enough to accommodate this, plus the megas are the best gimmick added since physical special split. I loved the character customisation, it made the whole game feel personal. Plus the great wild pokémon placement, having access to puedo legends early on in grass and caves, speed boost torchic, and talon flame was a great spin on the franchise that usually locks the best team members behind post game.
ORAS is also a great remake of the best nostalgic generation too. I haven't had so much fun with pokémon, and haven't ever since. Especially with the shiny hunt-a-thon spin off Legends Arceus. I had absolutely nothing to do in that game. All the aspects I enjoy of pokémon were left out entirely.
Gen 6 was what got me back into Pokemon. I grew up playing Gens 1-3 as a kid back in 99-and early 2000’s. Stopped for whatever reason. 2014-2015 came i turned 21 and Bought pokemon Y and fell in love with the Pokemon games all over again.
Same here. First game was Blue, then I got Gold and stopped playing after Sapphire. When I first saw the trailers for X and Y, I thought to myself that this is the type of Pokemon game I wanted on the N64 as a kid. I bought a 3ds xl and Pokemon Y the day it came out lol.
Exactly the same thing here. Blue to Silver to Sapphire to nothing else to buying a 3DS. I played Emerald on emulator in my early 20’s (2010?) but nothing again til 2014.
Same, I got into pokemon when I was 4/5 back in 2006/2007 and started playing all their games and then stopped by the time BW2 came out, I never finished BW1 and by that point, I completely moved on from Pokemon and thought it was boring. When 2016 came, I bought Pokemon Y and thought it was boring at first but then I completely fell in love with Pokemon Amie which made me fall in love with the game again so now I'm a complete pokemon fan. Gen 4 pokemon reminds me of elementary school nostalgia while gen 6 reminds me of middle school and high school nostalgia.
No wonder you liked them you skipped literally all the best pokemon games on the DS
tHIS IS THE FIRST GAME I GOT really into competitive battling, trading and maasuda methoding dittos to get 6 IV mons, and generally ever spent the most time in, studying, loving, and just being enthralled in. Been playing since Blue version (born 1990). These games may have lacked story depth, but this was the first time i felt competitive pokemon especially took off. Especially due to Mega's as well. Great times.
I’d been playing since i got red, x/y came out when I was in college and it the first one I deeply got into competitive also
Same thing here!
Last pokemon I thoroughly enjoyed. The online features were amazing, being able to fight random people and become friends. Even had mic chat capabities with friends on your list
X & Y were 100% the beginning of the end for me. It’s where the quality of the mainline games immediately began to dip, and I could tell from my first playthrough in 2013 that I wouldn’t be remembering these games nearly as fondly as the ones before. UltraSun/ UltraMoon brought back a brief bump in quality/memorability, which then immediately & continuously fell with every new title after that (except Legends Arceus, which was a wonderful breath of fresh air).
Seeing this is funny to me cause XY were my first games, so it *is* my nostalgia.
This is probably the first video of yours in which I agree with almost nothing you said, haha. I love that we can have such different experiences with the same game. For me, X was my first official entry into the Pokemon series (I was too poor to own a handheld before then). Even though I was in my 20s by then, it felt so special. I went to play previous games after finishing X, but a lot of what I loved about X's accessibility was not there: the easier breeding, the competitive meta, wonder-trading, etc. And the worlds fell smaller in a lot of cases, the stories and characters less engaging. I know I'm not in the majority, but I find X/Y much more compelling than most.
Started with gold and silver, and although 5th gen is by far my favorite for a multitude of reasons, Gen 6 mechanically is not a bad game. Mega evolutions is arguably the best addition they made to pokemon since they added shinies and started animating pokemon in gen 2, there was so much potential there, and I'm still disappointed they got rid of it.
Yeah, I didn’t agree with her at all in like a lot of her points it was just relentless nitpicks after relentless nitpicks… it was kind of annoying because I like to put long essay like videos while I’m at work. I don’t usually tone these videos out but I found myself a literally tuning her out half the time in the video. It’s a sound like someone nagging about some thing in the background. That’s when I knew that this video was pretty bad.
I am a Day 1 pokemon fan.
And X&Y are my favorite games in the series.
Same. The 3ds was home to my favorite generations of Pokemon games. I loved finding Moltres in Pokemon X endgame!
Day one in 1998? Or 1996 with the first Japanese release
@@BruceVial 1998 haha. And pretty much day one. Maybe 6 months most post launch.
Also I wasn't a fan of the DS Pokemon games but the 3ds ones brought me back into the series majorly
@@snipothermia really even B&W and B2&W2?
X and y hold a lot of nostalgia for me personally. I was pretty young when I got them, and being 10 with a new Pokemon game was exciting. The ability to play with other people, as my brother had stopped playing and I had no Pokemon friends.
I was obsessed with wonder trade. The surprise, the chance to get something cool. I have more traded to me Mon in that game then ones I caught myself. They were the first games I got a shiny in, first ones I beat. The environments were fun as well
Though, I like the games I can see the points about gen 1 pandering and wanting to go to areas the games won't allow. I wanted to see the race track when I was a kid, cause I could see the ends but not get to it.
I had a pretty similar experience, no brother though, but I was 10 years old too. I also got my first shiny in x and y, I remember it was a braixen in the safari zone. I kind of agree with the video, x and y is the last generation I have true nostalgia for, gen 7 onwards is pretty much teenage phase lol
I was about the same age and I was extremely excited for x and y after the black and white games, I even bought both x and y brand new, and they caused me to actively dislike pokemon, x and y sucked ass and was the start of all the problems in modern pokemon games, I went from fan to actively thinking pokemon wasn't cool until years later when I went back to black and white and realized "oh pokemon can actually be good, those other games just sucked" lmao
X and Y are so nostalgic for me!! I remember getting my copy of X with my older brother. Seeing this world in 3D while also having a new type to use and Megas to see was SO awesome. Walking into lumiose for the very first time and having the camera pan behind your shoulder was amazing. Everything felt so large and I felt so grown up, like I was on my own adventure. There is something so charming about that first time…
I would say ORAS was the peak of Gen 6. More mega evolutions, and the postgame content was phenomenal with all those legendaries and Delta episode. Though no battle frontier kind of hurt
Omega ruby was the one I put the most time into. Soaring was really nice. The music, region, etc. Def peak on 3ds
I still won't forgive Masuda for putting in that model of the Frontier. Literally was rubbing it in our faces.
Literally the first person I've ever seen acknowledge the Battle Maison's Triple Battles (and Rotation by extension), pretty much everyone just assumes they stopped existing after Gen 5 and never even give the Maison a chance.
You've definitely earned a sub, clearly you have taste.
Bro im boutta finish ur video i just need to say its so refreshing to see someone whos first game was colosseum that game was my jam back in the day and its nice to see other people giving it the recognition it deserves
Pokémon X was my first ever Pokémon game, I still remember my first Pokémon I chose, beating the elite four again and again cuz I didn’t have internet access and I wasn’t very aware of the battle mansions, all the Pokémon I grinded to lvl 100, catching mewtwo in a regular poke ball and feeling like a total boss, X holds a special place in my heart for that reason, it was the first game I can truly say I invested so much time and energy into, and while today, it’s an easy underbaked mess with tons of balance/lost potential issues, I hold it to the same experience that most people have with their first Pokémon games: we didn’t care if it was bare bones, we just had fun with the friends we made along the way.
I got the hot take. Mega evolutions weren't good or fun. They also started the tradition of battle gimmicks that only last 1 generation and are quickly forgotten the next.
That was a nice retrospective. For me the opposite is true as I got Pokemon X at a turning point in my life & I made a lot of memories involving that game with my social group at the time. It's also worth noting that Pokemon X & Y we're the very first mainline Pokemon games to use 3d models instead of 2d pixel art. Pokemon Colosseum & Stadium outdate X & Y in being the first Pokemon games to have 3d models period, but for my social group it was still a big deal at the time.
Great video overall.
My guy, the idea of Mewthree goes back WAYYY further than that Chaos Black ROM hack. Mewthree was from early into pokémons life back in Gen 1 as kids from all over would make stuff up and spread the ideas across playgrounds and classrooms like wildfire. Mewthree, like Pikablu, were just some of these rumors.
10:27 Idk, I think route 1 is pretty magical. As the tight over-the-shoulder shot when you enter zooms out to a much wider birds-eye-view shot, it gives off the feeling that your world is expanding as your adventure is about to begin. The lack of “content” doesn’t make it pointless.
Pokémon XY is when I came back to the series after skipping Black and White 2, in that sense I had a lot of fun with the games and spent upwards of 100 hours in them. On the other hand, when actually looking at their ambition, challenge, and polish, they weren't especially great games. I'd like to think I was lucky growing up with BW2, Platinum, and HGSS, plus going back and playing Blue and Crystal. I basically played all of the most ambitious content filled games in the series. Games that didn't feel like a cash grab. Pokémon XY were the last games I actually enjoyed, as after Sun and Moon, I completely stopped playing the Pokémon games and have no intention of returning to them.
try legends arceus and wait for gen 10 :P
I think assuming that nostalgia ends it’s something very personal in general. Just like you many other pokémon fans experienced the first generations as kids, those games will forever have a special place in their heart and hold the true feeling of nostalgia, but it’s because THEY experienced it. The first generations of pokémon doesn´t do much for me, they´re just pokémon games, but X&Y are THE pokémon games for me, because they were the ones who introduced me to the series, and that´s something happening today. Nowadays kids are building memories with pokémon Scarlet&Violet, and your nostalgic games won´t be important for them, nor mine. I love the concept of nostalgia, sorry for the long comment, loved the video!
I agree, I've played older Pokémon games but none compare to my first game, Pokémon X
As a lifelong Pokémon fan, seeing Pokémon battles in 3D models on a handheld was mind blowing. Also mega-evolving should’ve legitimately stayed for every future generation. They really missed out on something special there. I know eventually they will make a remake for these games, I hope they do right by them.
saw this crop up on recommended. but all i can say about Zygarde is that Nintendo's involvement w/having to force a anniversary probably came sometime before development of ORAS' development started, due to Hoopa's movie ended with a stinger of Red Core Zygarde in the Japanese version of the movie, ORAS itself has Hoopa Unbound as an alternate form.
In the coding of future games, Zygarde's 10% and 100% forms textures are labelled as pm0770_12 and _15 respectively. meaning that 11 and 12 were supposed to be for the Red Core, and models 13 and 14 were supposed to be for the Blue Core. the Movie and Anime producers will probably have to get their plots in line since Satoshi Taijiri (and a few others) normally travelled to other countries for inspiration (for both Movies and Video Games) before it actually starts. so creating movies itself would have to also account for Ash+his friend's team half a year (or more!) in advance. i can just infer that the Movie animators were aware that the Red Core Zygarde/Squishy would be in Bonnie's care, but were unaware that the Blue Core Zygarde/Z2 was actually part of the Anime's lore.
which makes sense since in the climax of Magearna's movie, Squishy adopts 100% form without having the Blue Core, which indicates to me that Blue was pretty much kicked aside from mechanical lore; to the extent that in Sun/Moon, there are 5 cores (to teach moves) and that they're ALL red, and the pokedex states that the cores only exist to control each Wing/Tail; which is kind of a large detraction from its' original France-inspired design since the flag is blue, white and red.
In a way, it's a bit like Mewtwo mysteriously gaining an Awakened Form (despite it's image being labelled as Y.jpg) in Genesect's movie (and to a lesser extent, the Japanese 7/11 prelude DVD), Diancie being able to create its own Mega Stone. which to me again, makes me think that the Game Directors/TPCi *reallly* didn't want to hand the Movie team *too* much material to work with. the Anime is often animated by the seat of their pants. afterall, they had the Mega Evolution Specials, which suddenly had to inject elements of ORAS (Steven's shiny Metagross, Primal Groudon/Kyogre+Mega Rayquaza) before revealing Z1 (Squishy) and Z2, Lysandre was also gathering mega evolution energy as Alain challenged other mega users.
the P.S.S. is still the best communication system any pokemon game ever had
my childhood best friend and were both your age for the same releases, and felt exactly the same! the shift to "modern" 3D pokemon and all during sophomore year of highschool and all really made it feel like the end of nostalgia for us too... we spent so many summers with the pixel art games, but gen 6 on just felt.. different.
also, same kia soul and trans stuff LOLLL
I'm several years younger and even in elementary school I hated x and y lol
It's funny, I got this recommended right after I completed yet another X playthrough, and I'm currently playing Wilting Y. For all of their faults, I really love these games. I've always thought they were overhated so I appreciate your balanced approach. XY were my introduction to the series, and I've played every other Pokemon game (including spinoffs) because of them. I've even hunted down translated games for the ones that never released in English. They're the reason this series became my special interest. I think XY were intended to be introductory games to the series for several reasons, and while yeah, the constant gen 1 references can be annoying looking back -- 10 year old me did appreciate it. Seeing Pokemon everyone talked about (Mewtwo, the birds, gen 1 mons in general) really helped me feel welcome to connect with the series. They'll always hold a special place in my heart, although the exp share did mess with my ability to enjoy gens 1-3 due to the obnoxious grinding lol. However, ORAS solved my issues with gen 3 at the very least 👍
Although I'm well aware of the games flaws X and Y will always have a special in my heart for being my introduction into the series
For me, Sword and Shield is where my nostalgia for the series ends. I guess that’s the point where the downward trajectory of the series was too obvious to overlook.
Pokemon Z sounds like some sort of bootleg DVD you'd find at a flea market featuring Goku, Austin Powers, and some stolen fanart of Charizard on the cover
Great massively underrated games.
You can definitely see the generational divide. I absolutely agree with this video but it’s fun seeing the younger crowd cherish the newer games as it is their earliest memories of this great series
Idk man, I was in elementary school when this game came out and it made pokemon no longer cool lmao
X and Y were the first I played in a longggg time. I have nostalgia for it for this.
I suffered major depression the year X and Y came out and it helped me through it. I remember trying to Shiny hunt and Wonder trade for hours.
As a Digimon fan on top of being a Pokemon fan I will always have a special place in my heart for Mega's... I just really wish these games weren't so painfully easy.
I'll never forget playing a HC nuzlocke and once I caught a Furfrou the run was basically GG... When a 472 base stat Normal mon trivializes the game you know that something went horribly wrong.
Point of clarification on the "Mew-three" pokemon crypto-zoology: As a Millennial pokemon fan who has been with the franchise since the start, "Mew-three" rumors didn't start with "Chaos Black". It was a rumor since the original games. You see, back in the late 90s, the internet was much different from how it is today. How we passed around gaming information in general was notoriously unreliable. Which lead to rampant rumors and speculation. For instance, the ol' meme about Mew being found under the truck by the SS Anne... I even had an actual gaming magazine that explained how to supposedly catch Yoshi in Mewtwos cave. At the risk of belaboring the point, there were rumors about these "Pokemon gods". It was always something along the lines of "Beat the Elite 4 100 times without dying, and X will evolve into Y". Mew-three was one of these "pokemon gods", and supposedly he looked like Mewtwo in his cybernetic suit Giovani put him in in the anime.
These were my first Pokémon games, and actually still my only ones since I'm too cheap to go buy a Switch. They're piss easy but I still find them fun to run through. It helps that almost all of my favorite Pokémon are in them. So many cute cats and dogs to catch, plus the entire Fennekin line being in my top 5. Kalos desperately needed a Pokémon Z to flesh out the story and be a general difficulty increase.
If we had gotten Pokemon Z then Gen 6 would've been remembered much more fondly.
I remember buying Pokemon X when it first came out. I actually enjoyed it very much. It was my 1st experience of Pokemon in 3d. For the record in 2015 I was 28 yrs old. When the original Pokemon came to America in 1999, I was 12 yrs old. My 1st Pokemon game was Pokemon Yellow for the Gameboy Color, I also got Pokemon Red, however I gave that game to my older brother, so he could share a similar experience with me. Battle me, and trade me. I remember getting the package deal for my 12 birthday a new Purple Gameboy color, pokemon yellow and red. My brother dusted off his old humongous Gameboy and I gave him red, and we officially became rivals. It was awesome because a week later my cousin lannette got Pokemon blue.
They nostalgia ends for me at sun and moon but it starts at leaf green since that was the first game I ever played then later on I got a 3ds and played oras and xy those where the best days ever to me but sadly I’m older now so the game doesn’t feel the same anymore but I still complete the the game and sometimes the dexes
I had played pokemon games before gen 6 but I got farther in gen 6 and beyond than I ever got in the first 5 gens. I love X and Y, plus ORAS, but X and Y having nothing for endgame outside of Battle Maison and the looker episode hurt ALOT. Don't get me started on the "pokemon safari" that X and Y got... I loved being friendless. The 3ds era of pokemon was my favorite and I wished the gimmicks of mega evolution and z-moves lasted longer than they did. The nostalgia of experiencing fairy types for the first time was great and loved being able to play alongside other people, even if no one noticed me in high school.
Gen 6 was the first gen that didn't make me despise the switch from stat xp to evs. I know proper evs aren't necessary to complete the game, but the opaqueness and relative permanence of the system (I know there are items to reduce current evs, but they are not convenient) created a higher barrier to entry if you did want to go from PvE to PvP. In Gen 1 and 2, you could take a pokemon you played through the game with and adjust it to be competitive afterwards. Gens 3-5 you basically had to train a whole new team unless you knew about the system ahead of time and carefully planned the entire playthrough around it. Super training at least provided a way to get the evs right without that degree of precision.
As a whole though, X and Y ends up feeling like a bunch of incomplete ideas to me. Good ideas for the most part, just not complete ones. Unlike some of the newer games, which feel for the most part like a bunch of mediocre ideas which are mostly complete and delivered by rolling them to us in a trash can.
I have a weird amount of nostalgia for X and Y, though my first Pokémon game was Sapphire and I played many hours of Pokémon way before X and Y, they were the first games I personally got of the Pokémon franchise when I moved from the UK to Australia so I have some memories of the excitement and awe of moving to a new country associated with the games
4:13 wrong. They came out in October of 2012 here. Japan got them in June. I remember it was around my birthday in August of 2012 that I saw them in a Gamestop and I wanted Black 2 but they weren't out yet, so I got the Black instead. Then about a year later for my birthday in August of 2013. I finally got the sequel, but this time switching to White 2.
I felt this in my soul. When I was kid I used to get sent to Victoria to live with my grandparents for the summer. First time there my parents bought me a gbc and Pokemon Pinball. You know how parents are. My grandfather is a gamer though. He would later get me into Final Fantasy. He took me to the store to buy Red version. So Pokemon, Summer and Victoria are all tied pretty tight in my head.
I was also one of those "only playing pokemon" teens who was super hyped for this game, playing it on repeat and bought the other version. I was 14 and gen 4 were my first proper pokemon games. But sadly because of gen 6s reputation, loss of quality and longevity and probably me growing up, I don't feel any nostalgia for it. The funny thing is, however, that the loss of interest in newer pokemon opened doors for me to explore all the available 3DS, Wii U and virtual console games for Fire emblem, Zelda, Xenoblade and Splatoon, as those were quality games imo. So yeah I feel much more nostalgia for those games which I played from age 15-16. Even Botw which I played at 17-18 gives me huuge nostalgia. It's definitely because of growing up, as the growth of critical thinking weighs the quality of the games more than the childhood magic did, because then quality didn't matter as our fantasies were running rampant. But the games that really resonates with us as we get older, will make us feel nostalgia regardless of age while "bad" ones won't.
You were only playing Pokemon?
You missed out on a lot
Especially on the Mario and Luigi RPG series
@@SMCwasTaken Yep, but I did play a variety of games on my ds though, including Mario, yoshi etc. whilst before I started exploring franchises after xy/oras I only had MK7 and smash 3ds, where the latter pretty much introduced me to the other titles. So it does sound very exaggerated in my statement that I "only" played pokemon. It's more that it was the only franchise I religiously caught up with in terms of mainline releases and weren't as hyped about any other franchise, even though I did play a few other games. So yes, I did miss out on a lot of handheld titles😅
The hype season for X and Y is the whole reason I finally decided to try the main Pokémon games for the first time in my late teens and bought HeartGold and Pokémon Black after only growing up with the OG anime and Pokémon Stadium on N64. They might not be perfect game by any means but they're the reason why Pokémon is more than just a childhood memory to me today and for that I'll always look back at them fondly.
I loved X and Y it was my reintroduction into Pokémon given I skipped gen 4 and 5. It was funny finding out that all these new Pokémon I was discovery were old news to everyone else lol. Hopefully we get a remake soon!
For me, the lack of childhood wonder hit when I rented a SNES. Which is odd, because ActRaiser and Streetfighter 2 would later become huge sources of wonder and nostalgia. I suppose the issue was just that I expected the SNES to do for me, what the best movies were doing. After all, I'd experienced something like that with the Ultima series, and the endless freedom it represented.
FFIV would cure that issue. And once it was gone, I was free to enjoy what the SNES was best at. In fact, I'd swing hard in the opposite direction, and crush on systems other people don't hold in high regard, like the Sega CD and Virtual Boy.
The next time I experienced it, would be Twilight Princess. The characters were deep in the uncanny valley - Link's model good looks came across as pure pandering when detail was added, his dirty looking tunic was less "realistic" and more "I'm scared of basic hygiene", and the constant orange smear was distracting as Hell. Not to mention, the writing - Midna excepted - seemed very simple and childish, compared to Majora's Mask.
My favorite game of all time.
I think that started a trend. Route 96, What Remains of Edith Finch, and Gone Home? A little too immersive, at times. Because I had no expectations, and I'm apparently a sucker for anything that hits my own memories and experiences. But the Link's Awakening remake? What once was the high water mark in 8-bit and ruined a lot of good games for me, was exposed when it looked like a modern indie title and was compared to that standard. I got more wrapped up in the treasures of MKXI, because I wasn't expecting a fighting game to go that hard into it's own lore.
That's twice I've put down the Zelda series. But it's also twice I've compared it to itself, and found it wanting.
I suppose it's all a matter of disappointment vs. discovery? And as I age, it's harder and harder to experience that rush of something new.
I played Y when it came out, but I while I know I quite liked it, there was nothing in it I found very memorable. Now, sure, HGSS are my absolute favourite games on recent replay, and though I initially played Y and HeartGold around the same time, found there was a LOT i forgot from it... I feel like there was significantly more I remembered from it than from XY.
Maybe it's a factor of it having more content, but I distinctly remembered things like certain quests, the exhilaration of unlocking Kanto, bonding with my Arcanine that followed me most of the game, and of course getting my ass kicked by Red.
Y? All I remember is Sycamore being a sexy tumblr fav, and spending hours biking around trying to hatch a shiny Eevee and instead ending up wondertrading a bunch of Eevees named after US presidents.
I really enjoy your content! You’re incredibly funny all throughout the video. Haha
Thank you so much!
You are not alone, Colosseum was my very first Pokemon game I owned too
Anyway, I feel X and Y I always felt had so much potential. I liked it but no where near as much as I would have liked. Black and White is where I have more fond memories with Gen 5. I love Black and White!
X & Y has a complicated legacy for me. At the time I think it was truly revolutionary. Seeing pokemon in 3D was amazing (I didn’t grow up with colosseum) customisation was a fantastic inclusion, the world was beautiful. As a kid I used to visit France all the time and I can assure you that Kalos truly feels like France, I think they captured that country perfectly. It was the first game where I would just sit there and look at the scenery, and go wow. And I think I did genuinely put more hours into it than any other game. The accessibility to super training made EV training viable for the first time, so I did, and I had lots of fun, breeding and super training new teams of pokemon.
At the time it was my favourite game but history has not been kind, and I would go as far as to say that it was the catalyst for many of the problems the franchise would go on to suffer. Features that may not have bothered me so much at first that have become more and more annoying as they continue to be more prevalent. The Gen 1 nostalgia baiting was… acceptable here because we genuinely hadn’t seen these guys for a long time. When they kept doing it two generations later it became infuriating (also because it was selective). Mega Evolutions, seemed fun at the time, but now there’s a new gimmick each time, and I can’t help but think that the idea behind mega evolutions is to blame for this. And honestly, as cool as some mega designs are I would almost have preferred for them to just be new evolutions. At least you would have still been able to use all of them today.
And for the OP exp share is fine now, but it was awful in X & Y because the game was not balanced around the amount of experience points the game gives you. It is far too easy to overlevel your team by accident. This is fixed somewhat in the later games, or maybe I just got better at switching my team around to avoid it.
Overall Gen 6 was great at the time, but did set up a lot of the issues the franchise is facing now. You could say it was the start of the downfall.
Nostalgia ends with XY? I`m a 32 year old millenial and gen 6 has the most nostalgic Pokemon games for me, including XY. Heck even USUM are nostalgic to me.
I'm also 32, and you must have memory problems
@@magnawaves It works just fine. I just don't take games as seriously as people with no life.
37:30 quick note- I think it says he created the laser to end the war after his pokemon passed
I loved XY and then ORAS. The music is so nostalgic to me right now. I found those games very refreshing after gen 5. I never liked gen 5 for some reason. and gen 6 was when I got into shiny hunting and it was amazing. Gen 6 was such good games for shiny hunting it made me so happy.
That feeling you describe about the magic being lost - happened around BW 1 for me
Bro. Same.
but you know, funnily enough I just got done replaying bw1 and playing bw2 for the first time and I have got to say that coming back to it, it’s such a great game. I think I may even say they’re my favorite now.
I think it was one of the most ambitious versions of the game in comparison to everything up to it at that point in time. It was the first time I felt like I was playing an actual rpg game that just so happened to have Pokémon in it rather than a Pokémon game where the gimmick is that it’s a Pokémon game…so people will buy it regardless.
It feels like the game team actually put in effort with this one rather than just putting something together to whip out the next generation of games (call of duty style)
Same, but I still enjoyed those games. I just didn't feel the designs of the pokemons what so ever. So there was a lot of dissonance, because I did like the game itself.
The xy anime is way more popular than the games themselves
I actually agree lol
Ash greninja is more popular than both anime and games
No Pokémon ORAS is where nostalgia ends
It's strange, but despite having grown up with gen 1 at time of their release, some of my strongest Pokémon nostalgia comes from the gen 6 games. Even with the games' many problems, I still really enjoyed them.
even tho i played Diamond/pearl black/white and their 2nd games before x and y, these were the first games i bought with my own money when i bought my 3ds and to this day this is the pokemon game i come back to
No way! Pokémon content! Ive been waiting for gen4 videos from your channel
Hope you enjoyed it!
Yes... Yes indeed
Dark souls
Since I am an old fogey, my Pokemon nostalgia ends with Gold & Silver, they were the last games that I played as a teenager and from Gen 3 onward I didn't play any of those games until being well into adulthood
Ooooh nice video
you are very entertaining to listen too, I subbed. Keep up the good work👍🏾
X and Y were genuinely my first owned Pokémon titles I didn’t really get my hands on the game until the summer of 2018 which was when I bought my 3ds xl. Before then I played Pokémon Ruby on a emulator and completed the game. (reason why ruby in particular is because groudon is my favorite legendary)
15:52 "it all feels like a way to tap into that Gen 1 nostalgia at the expense of X and Y having their own identity". And this is the problem that every game therfor after has had. The REASON the old games are nostalgic is because they have their own identities, their own unique charms that you once immersed yourself in and wish to replay as a result. They had a lot of love and passion in them. But now all the new games just appeal to nostalgia from PREVIOUS games and make you wonder, 'in 10 years, will this be a game that I want to replay? Instead of playing this game, I might as well play the older-older games I DO actually have nostalgia for, and which don't constantly back-reference those ones anyways.' so bad.
Nostalgia is a subjective feeling, you can’t say it ends there cause that’s where your childhood ended, plenty of kids nowadays will see Scarlett and violet as nostalgic when they’re adults
Those actual poor kids
Pokémon X&Y have something that we have seen only in the Hoenn games at the time: PACING. This is the main reason they´re my favorites, and this is also the reason the Hoenn remakes were so good. They nailed the pacing in this game, and this is not easy. Recently, they got it right again with Scarlet and Violet.
And this is why I don´t have any fun with the gen 5 games, no matter how good others might think they are.
I don’t agree at all. X and Y have notoriously poor pacing especially with the overly long gap between gym 1 and 2 and then it’s just rapid gym badge collecting after that. Not to mention that break in between gym 7 and 8 to wrap up the story and you’ve got a game with whiplash pacing. It’s very similar to diamond and pearl in that regard.
@@taylormidnights3133 if you consider pacing just based on the gyms, ok, but I'm talking about the game as a whole.
@@aloisiosenra if we’re talking about story then we dont get to see the evil team until just before the second gym and they just disappear until half way on your journey at the power plant. Heck, we don’t even see AZ until the power plant lol. And like I said, the game just stops after the 7th gym because you need to wrap up all of the story bits first. Again, this is eerily similar to how diamond and pearl are paced rather than ruby and sapphire. I’m not saying you should hate x and y but saying they have good pacing is something I can’t agree with. They don’t have the worse pacing tho because that crown goes to the johto games lol.
It’s sad that we don’t have Pokemon Z. But, we, Pokemon fans, can fix this situation. Thanks to fan projects, like mine Pokemon Mega XY(Z). Same could be with Gen 6 games. Thanks to creating a fan game(s), which is make for X/Y same as Emerald for Ruby/Sapphire, and Platinum for Diamond/Pearl. Fix, improve, and expand original games. And this fan game(s) in right hands can achieve a praises in the level of AM2R, remake of Metroid 2: Return of Samus.
Colosseum was my first pokemon game 😢😊❤ I loved that game and still do, and its soundtracks are soo good
My Experience is a bit different. It was the first time I played a Pokémon game in a licensed way. I live in countryside Brazil, so i just played in computers through emulators cause i didn't have a game store or mall nearby. So when I was 9, my aunt flew to the US and bought me a 3DS. Later that year, i went to a big city in my state and went to a Mall, and so there it was, shinning bright like the Sun, Pokémon X(the one i chose cuz of the Mewtwo) and Pokémon Y. It was quite expensive, but my parents saw the way I was so happy to have It. So at that same night i started playing till the day rose the other day. But the thing is, Pokémon Company never licensed any game in Portuguese, Brazil's official language, and I was a kid with 0 english knowledge, so I put the game in Spanish, because a lot of words are similar to portuguese, and I got older cousins that where half-argentinians and had books in spanish , so i got some of those and played through most of the game without many complications, until i had to get through that one part to get to the route of the 8th gym, I had no idea of whay to do and got stuck in this phase for like 3 months, and overleveled most of my team. After i got my badge, I got Lost in the post game missions too lol. I miss those times.
For Pokemon Z, I swear I remember it being announced either alongside, or shortly after X and Y. It would have either been one of the first Nintendo Directs or one of the last Nintendo Weeks (If anyone remembers those. They were essentially weekly Nintendo Directs before Directs were a thing, and they typically announced stuff, as well as being a skit. I remeber there was this whole regular Gary and Dark Gary thing when the black Wii Remote was announced). I remember that they didn't say much other than that Z would be after X and Y, and they said how they weren't sure about what the legendary Pokemon would be for Z, aside from it most likely being some sort of snake or dragon. That was about it for what they said about Z, but I cannot find anyone talking about it for the life of me, because stuff that far back has had next to no recordings as it was all on a channel on the Wii, and that service ended a while ago, it even ended before the online ended if I recall correctly.
these games came out in october and when i got gifted this game for my birthday, walked into the first pokecenter and it played the birthday theme and had a cake on the screen...i cried a lil😅
very fun and charming games but yeah there was a lot left unfinished
Bro i read the title and was like finally someone said it. X and y were the last good Pokémon games and I'm praying the franchise comes back with a game as good again
Gen 7 was great and if you think its mid then you need brain surgery because the story slapped and the cutscene nitpick is BS
@@SMCwasTaken I mean sun and moon are literally the worst the franchise has to offer but I guess I'm the one who needs best surgery lmao the only thing good about gen 7 was the starters, even the Pokédex is trash
Pokémon XY are good games they just have a lot of missed potential that was kinda wasted but Pokémon XY really introduced what we have today.
I feel like my pokemon nostalgia can be relatable to some. I didn't have a console to play games on till the 3ds. So for me pokemon was limited to the anime and TCG. I got my 3ds right when X and Y came out so those games have a special place in my heart. I didn't love middle school or early high school but playing those games were definitely some highlights. I still have my original Pokemon X play through and made a friend from the games. When I played the game initially I thought it was the best thing in the entire world. But when I played through pokemon Y recently I saw it's faults. The game is nostalgic for me, but when I think of pokemon gens 1-5 come to mind first. Gen 6 was the start of the 3d era and something felt different afterwards.
Sky battles should add a mechanic where you can crash or be knocked to the ground occasionally for extra damage like a secondary critical. Also the position would change the effects of certain moves. Just a thought if it comes back. But then I'd also make the game as a whole let you battle bond more than just greninja. Likely the pokemon without a mega form.
Trevor wants to complete the dex. He's your 'dex rival', while Serena/Calem are your trainer rival
Shauna and Tierno do nothing
You played BW2 your last year of middle school?!….God, I’m old…sigh. Great video though!
I played it my last year of high school…
Pokémon X was my first game. I was 10-11 and had previously watched the original anime. X and Y is where my nostalgia begins!
Colloseum was absolutely amazing. They need to do a remaster double pack
x and y were the last games i had to wait to save up enough lawn cutting money to buy after launch day, therefore they are the last games i can say i played as a kid. it’s crazy to think that people who get newest games out when they started playing video games were gen 6 or gen 7 are now adults making videos on 3ds nostalgia.
Gen 6 was the last generation I have nostalgia for, by gen 7 I was in middle school, and while I liked sun and moon and usum, I was too old at that point to completely ignore flaws and just enjoy the games like I did for gens 4, 5, and 6. No matter their flaws I will still always love x and y. Honestly, even though gen 7 was underwhelming for me personally, I kind of miss those days in retrospect, as there was still some standard of quality maintained all the way until gen 8 came out
I started with yellow when it was new. Being 33, I definitely understand games not having that mastalgia. For me it just got progressively more rare. I really got into x&y and have some mastalgia for it. I also used the game as an escape since I really needed it at the time.
I love the region, its music, it's Pokémon and some of its characters so much. But, man... Kalos deserved *SOOOOO* much better.
-More Legendaries to hunt
-Gym Leader and Elite Four rematch teams
-Diantha being more involved, helping you fight Team Flare and having a tough-as-nails battle like a certain other female Champion people won't shut up about when it comes to discussing the best Champions
-Fleshing Trevor and Tierno out
-More battles with Team Flare's, as well as giving them their own theme. Oh, and be able to battle Malva prior to the Elite Four too since she, get this, *WAS IN TEAM FLARE APPARENTLY, BUT WE NEVER GOT TO SEE THAT EXPLORED.*
-Utilizing those inaccessible areas like that Power Plant which fans theorized you could face Volcanion in.
I really want Diantha to be the next Cynthia. I'm so sick and tired of Cynthia getting all the good stuff while every other Champion gets basically nothing compared to her, other than occasionally Red and Blue, because Kanto.
I remember being 14 and buying a 3ds with my savings specifically to get pokemon x and animal crossing new leaf... Didn't touch any pkmn game afterwards, they just felt off for me. Nowadays when I want to replay any, I only ever play up to black and white😅
X and Y could've been great games that could've rivaled Gens 3-5 but the developers were given little time
Ok so for the rival nickname.. in my playthrough I told them that Id want to be called mlady so every time the approach me in a cutscene they would say it and I can just imagine them tipping a fedora every time they see me
Someone 20 today, would've been 10 when the games came out. Nostalgia definitely doesnt end at X and Y
I think the change of your rival picking their pokemon type to be weak against yours is a huuuge change for the series, sure the tutorial battle doesn't matter either way but your rival interrupts you to battle quite a few times and their star pokemon being weak against yours makes it even more of a steamroll
Also, I definitely subscribed! Basically if I stumble across a Pokémon video (especially for the earlier games) I'm bound to like it! ^^
X&Y really needed a Z. They had great building blocks with Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. If only they capitalized on it.
Pokemon fans:
B2W2: Waaaaah! Enough of the third versions!
No Z: Waaaaah! Give us 3rd versions again!
USUM: Waaaaah! Enough of the third versions!
GF: ...
B/W are the first games that came out when i was an adult and i feel about them the same way you feel about X/Y. B/W2 however, I absolutely despise. Theyre the only mainline games ive never been able to finish. I tried to force myself to finish my copy of white 2 when i stumbled on it late last year and i could only make it like 5 gyms in before my fiancée told me I should drop it if I was having such a miserable time.
The good thing is I liked X/Y and every gen since so im happy with pokemon again. Even if S/V was kinda meh, at least i liked it enough to finish it.
X and Y had my favorite gen of pokemon. Ive played every mainline pokemon game too. I love its map as well. The biggest thing I had an issue with was exp share. Everything else was so good for me. Gogoat and Greninja are two of my favorite pokemon ever. The fire starter is awesome as well. Great game
I’d say: “omega ruby and alpha sapphire” where the end of the nostalgia fest.