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Calling with a good hand is easy but often it's the cowards way out. There are many cash game poker spots in which you have a strong hand but have very little equity against your opponent's range. In these poker situations it takes a lot of guts to pull the trigger on a big fold. In this session I'm confronted with multiple spots where it takes real heart to find a fold. Will I manage it?
I think hero folding is the hardest skill in poker because it requires immense discipline to throw away a strong hand you waited so long to get, especially because you may never know if you made the right decision. Hero calling is easier because it feeds your curiosity and provides instant feedback. Hero folding, you have nothing to rely on but your own conviction.
The 13:35 T9s folding hand, rec player at my stakes (25NL) is doing this with AA, KK , QQ, JJ , 79, 9J , TX :)
okay this opening rant is the best, and most useful one yet!
I think itâs quite an overlooked thing. The sheer willpower involved in folding.
This is the exact video I needed right now! đ€©
This doesnât surprise me!
Excellent job Pete! Fantastic CZcams as always
Nice fold with the T9 Pete. Liked your reasoning.
0:43 - takes huge mental strength to make big fold after big fold. great point. poker is war gentlemen
It certainly is
Too much poker sickness can give a man PTSD. I had a mate on a huge downswing go AWOL/MIA for a week to Alaska mid WSOP tour because a massive downswing just rekt him mentally
"Fortune Reversal Tilt"....... wow, that blow my mind. Thanks. â„ïž
Yeah it's so common, this sort of tilt.
I really needed this Pete! Thanks đ
The medicine I needed. Thank you, Pete.
Just what I read not long ago. some article about regs who got to the top. Some quote from that article was "Money is often won by folding on the river rather than calling"
To nitpick Iâd say EV is won, money is saved. But yes I agree.
@@CarrotCornerPoker true
Great video, I wish I'd watched this before the Monday Stream đ
Yeah youâd still have to have woken up to apply it though!
Great content as usual.
Highly recommend buy 3 grade of CPS. Most content of Pete did exactly what he taught, every lecture pure true EV. And now i can watch him apply these theoretical in practice everday
In the ATs flush river overbet hand, I think it's a spot where his calling range is almost the same vs a normal bet and vs an overbet.
Which means many would probably not overbet as a bluff, since a normal bet gets a better price----> pool is way underbluffing when overbetting there.
I would still overbet that river, but only against certain players.
Sometimes i rush my decision and i dont have these 10 seconds you are speaking about,thats very important leak to fix,take your time,think throughout the spot and weigh the decision.
Thereâs no way around it. It takes a long time to get to this level in game. The more out of game work you do however, the easier it gets.
Nice video again and some nice folds too!!
Thanks Dennis
That last hand where you have TT, if you fold TT on the river what do you call? Do you have QJ or flush draws that call a 2x pot on the turn? Outside of QJhh A8hh A7hh what other FDs do you have that call 2x out of position on the turn? I understand your logic that TT is a fold but I struggle to imagine our entire range that arrives on the river so I have no idea what better do we have to call with?
I agree with folding T9s against a normalish/decent player, but against a unknown who is probably a rec.. no way. 1. I think they have too many Tx suited hands even down to T2s and T9o type hands to make our trips kicker mediocre not trashy, and 2nd he can some of a time overplay a pair or OESD type of hands. Anyway vs unknown I call and make a note, making my next decision in the future much easier :)
That was me, i had J9o
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gg , thank you!
Such a good video. My god
In the trips hand, when LJ villain raises the bb donk, is it a terrible play still if villain would never shove worse than a 10 to the raise and calls draws+8x and LJ has AA? I know these are big assumptions but I feel this is a common recreational player behaviours I described.
If LJ knows they can manipulate the opponent into a node where they're playing in a very exact and transparent manner then maybe, but in general it seems far worse than just calling for a lot of reasons.
transparency = calling to see where we at? ^^
No it equals investing less money now if youâre about to get some very good information on the next node for free. It exists mainly where people define their ranges clearly and this takes experience to recognise.
How insightful! Both the mental and the strategic aspects. A question: How much would you have raised vs the 2x pot overbet?
Around 36bb probably
@@CarrotCornerPoker Ty!
And what are your bluffs there...?
How to deal with accumulated frustration though? TT in particular is kinda easy to fold imo, but it doesn't make it any less infuriating, when it happens every few minutes in all the big pots. I find that after a handful of these in a row, plus couple coolers, I can no longer enjoy the game. And ofc when on downswing, this happens every session, 20 minutes in you're already entering "oh fuck off, I wanna get out" mode.
Take regular breaks. It doesnât happen in every session. Sometimes it happens in every session for a spell of time but this spell ends at some point. You provably notice more when sessions go like this than when you run good or maybe youâre currently running bad and so it feels permanent.
lol I've played with her.... she had KT buddy, where you going?? lol
9ts dont you think he can also have q9,j9,etc and also slowplayed jjs+ all the lower 10x?I think he could also punt an 8 no?I would actually end up folding myself too but its not a clear fold by any mean and I think calling and folding are both fine.
I have to say I am not a professional so maybe my logic is wrong so feel free to criticize and give me a better understanding or the situation.
Zero chance the straight draws should ever be responding that way on a paired board. To make this play tho, we have to make the assumption that this player is at least a decent recreational. Otherwise, this logic tree falls apart and it becomes a pure call.
Villain's shove is obviously already brain dead in itself. - However, if he is at least somewhat thinking then he could still find out that UTG most often raises him with an overpair or better, maybe QJs sometimes, while the button should already in most cases either chase an OESD, or call with some set or boat. In any case, Villain has to be quite optimistic if he bluffs 3x pot into those two ranges, or value-bets worse for that sizing than T9s. As it is about the weakest Ten that UTG and BU can even have here. Finally: UTG's raise, especially for the click-back size, does of course not make any huge sense, either.
dont think im ever in my life folding trips on the flop vs a rec, even vs this gross action in front. they could just show up with QQ, 97 or an 8. weird spot. great vids though as always
Sure, youâre not alone. If you were itâd be an easy and obvious fold. I agree with you that villain could have these hands. I just donât think often enough after this action sequence.
Thereâs actually only one combo of T6-5s, just spades
How dare you.
Blender, nice.
Gto folds 9Ts there, funny enough
Better tens call
Also, i see good regs call 87s essentially everytime vs utg. Its mixed in theory, but seriously theyâll always call it.
Flop check back is super unbalanced away from 78, and towards 99 for showdown value. which i assume is why you thought TT should have raised turn? Only question is, you can get jammed on turn.. and you are out of position on river if villain calls.
Think call, see river is the bravest play.
3:40 Why you donât wanna overbet here? We will have 2Xs, 66/88. If you use only one big size what it will be and stab FDâs you would bet?
"Villain's range is too high-equity-draw-ridden" you say.
So you're targeting high equity draws to protect your hand.
That's *why* raising has higher *drumroll* ...true EV.
No. Iâm playing against villainâs whole range; a meaningful part of which happens to be high equity draws and this part is large enough to swing the EV of one line to become higher than that of another. This doesnât mean Iâve ignored the rest of villainâs range which is still large part of the picture. Targeting is when people base their entire understanding of a node on just one part of villainâs range and lose sight of the whole. Here Iâm explaining how one part of
Villainâs range and its properties change the whole and so still keeping the full picture in mind. I mean I suppose you could call this targeting itâs a pretty bogus use of the word given itâs normal meaning in the English language.
@@CarrotCornerPoker I think I have a problem with my jokes not coming across as... well, jokes.
For the record (in the case I make such a joke again) I understand why you do not like the word, because it's not like we can target a part of his range the way we could target a person's body part with a pistol and get a result from just that part. Whenever we bet into him, the bet interacts with his entire range, not just the portion of the range we are interested in or having a certain thought process about.
It's like when Achilles walks up to the walls of Troy and screams "Hector!" he's hoping to get action from just that specific part of Troy but really he's challenging the entire city and if some NPC on the wall decides to shoot him with an arrow, he's not really in a position to complain.
Like, it's the wrong word to use, but I think there should be some way of discussing the situation where we are basically indifferent to what line we use versus most of his range and only certain parts of his range give us the chance to make money.
For example here if he has the straight we're getting stacked (assuming the money goes in before the river, or the river bricks.) So yes the straight is part of his range but we don't care. We care about stacking 99 and forcing the combo draws to stack off on the turn with 28% equity, or folding that equity.
If he has total air, or a low-equity draw, maybe smooth calling gives him the chance to bluff with those hands which adds EV to call, but maybe he only bluffs when he gets there, or when the river is this one, the grossest possible river, which we end up folding to, which costs us EV. So perhaps we are indifferent to call vs raise against those parts of his range.
But against 99 and big draws specifically, we want to raise. The solver can't make villain indifferent with all of his range; some of villain's range will be pure bets and some pure folds vs X action. The part of his range the solver crafts a strategy to make indifferent, I would say the solver is... focused on?
Like when we check range in a 3-bet pot on JT9hhh, or something, we are worried about straights and flushes and two pairs and sets. We are not 'targeting' those hands because we're taking a passive action so the word doesn't even make sense, but we are more concerned with what's going to happen when villain has that part of his range and we hold, say AcAd, than the one pair part of his range. So how do we talk about this?
Also I am a donk so don't read this.
@@hymnofashes Don't worry, I suspected the tone was intended as jokey but I thought it also had a serious element to it which deserved a proper response. Your post makes a lot of sense. There are definitely times when only one part of Villain's range matters AND we have a good idea of how to maximise EV vs that part. These times are few and far between however. I tend to just talk about these spots in a literal way by saying something like: 'check is higher EV than bet because vs X and Y groups the EV is the same, but with respect to Z group check is better.' I think 'targeting' in this context is actually okay, but because it's nonsense 90% of the time, I think it's safer to avoid the term for most learners.
Love Your Content but How on the T9s hand you said 32/8 small sample size and hes passive because hes under 100bbs. I get it he does not have 100bbs but I don't think you should assume hes passive. If he played pocket 88s like that then hes an idiot. I feel like pocket 77s or maybe the J9 but you block that. Maybe ATo
I think it's very reasonable to assume that someone with 32/8 stats is less likely to make a play like this with a hand worse than trips than the average recreational player is. You calling people idiots for jamming 88 here doesn't change the fact that this happens a fair bit from the recreational side of the pool. Why would we expect a recreation player who open limps pre-flop to have a strong thought process?
It doesnt feel close at all, I'd be indifferent with JT. Our flop cc range is super strong anyway so no big deal to fold the worst trips
And good point about the offsuit broadway Tx that a 32/8 has a ton of. Actually leaning towards folding JT as well now lol
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What do you find boring about them? What kind of topics would you prefer to see? The idea of the podcast is to provide a deep look into some psychological and philosophical ideas not to report poker news or discuss strategy. We understand this isnât for the whole poker audience and might not be everyoneâs thing. Thatâs fine, weâre mainly doing Poker Distilled for fun but if our titles sound dull Iâm all ears for how you would rebrand them :-)
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