patterning the mossberg 940 pro turkey with stock choke and lbxr's | bco review |
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2024
- here is the first lead pattern test in the mossberg 940 pro turkey with the stock xxx-full .670 choke & winchester longbeard xr 3 inch 1 3/4 oz of 4's at 40 yards
mossberg sent us this gun to pattern and test to see just what it could do with all chokes & loads and give our honest feedback of just how it performs!
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both of these have been proven afield & on our pattern testing so i am stoked to put them side by side with as many loads as possible to see just where the difference is - Sport
I was pretty excited to get my new 940 pro last week. Then I started looking closer at it. The first thing I noticed was the forearm is so thin and flimsy that when you gently squeeze it, the plastic creaks and groans against the metal it rests against. Next, I was mounting a halosun on the receiver when I noticed the top of the rib and the top of the receiver are not in the same plane. Not even close. This is a $400 gun, not $1000.
I disagree based on mine especially how it performs
Everyone has their opinions though!
Longbeard is the way to go if shooting lead #5 or 6's pattern awesome in every one of my turkey guns.TSS is nice but if you are limiting your shots to 40/45 yards not really necessary worth the xtra cost. Picking # 9 shot out of a breast is basically micro surgery so do yourself a favor and stick with #7 TSS if money is no object.
I went back to lead, winchester long beard xr #6 shot, with the carlson long beard choke
Interesting!
Don't get me wrong, I like tss but my shots are 40 yards or closer, and the winchester long beard xr with the carlson long beard choke lights out for me in my browning maxus 2. 27$ for 10 rounds of winchester compared to 65$ plus for 5 rounds of apex
@jerryparkey4199 mine are 25 yards and under and I still will take tss all day as it yields me more leeway than any lead load will at that range
well yes 3.5 inch tss is expensive and completely unnecessary when shooting tss especially at 40 and under but I completely understand we all have our ways and for anything that works for you!
I understand that buddy, here in tn this past weekend was the tn juvenile hunt, I'm a guide for the tennessee wildlife federation, the kid I had killed a really nice gobbler at 16 yards, 20 gayge tss and it destroyed the bird, the bird didn't flop the first time, it was unreal
I start out with a federal tss #7 followed by longbeard #5s for planting shots if necessary. Anything smaller in tss like 9s on a flopping turkey is a sure bet to the dentist after a Thanksgiving meal and removing it is like micro surgery.
Love it “tickles your fancy” two less honeybuns a week. Great stuff
Just stating facts ahahah
Before I switched to Heavyshot 20 years ago. I tried all turkey loads, and chokes that I could find. Like kicks, Primos, Carlson, MAD, Hastings.
Let me tell ya. I got Hastings in .650, .655, .660, .665 I tried them. If my gun didn't like it with any combo. I sold them to friends for half price. Most of the time it worked better in their gun.
The biggest thing that I would have never thought. .650 in my 870 21" barrel loved Winchester HV 1 3/4 #4!😮 That's right the tightest choke loved that big copper 4 shot. It hammered it. Oddly. 660 the 5 and 6 did better.
My Heavyshot 4x5x7 loves Sumtoy. 660 or Rhino.
2025 I'll try TSS.
And THATS
WHY you pattern🎯
You just never quite know what’s gonna happen til you pattern that’s for sure!
@teamflanneloutdoors5631 100%!
The only way I shoot lead is hadn't got tss fellows cause I love it
I always shot the 3.5 inch #5’s, but the 20 gauge 2 3/4 inch TSS rocked another one yesterday. I misjudged it by about 10 or 15 yards, but 45 to 50 was just fine. I don’t think I’ll ever shoot a 12 gauge (or lead) again, but I am happy to see this test. Thanks.
Exactly!
I never had any luck with 4 s .I also used 5s or 6s before I went to TSS. TSS IS THE ONLY ONE I USE NOW.🦃🦃🦃🦃
As it should be! Once you go tss you will never go back
The minimal cost difference is greatly outweighed by pure performance
Tasty cake Boston cream honey buns are the best, change my mind lol
Never even had one 🤣🤣
My setup is a Remington 870, carlsons LB .660 & LBXR #6. I've shot lead my entire 22 year's in the turkey wood's, they have never let me down I've let myself down by missin.
The reason I won't make the switch is 1 for that reason, I have no reason to switch I get what I'm looking for out of what I've shot for year's. The other reason is okay yes $8 difference per shot, but let's be honest most tss is closer to $65 & above, then you have to find the right tss/choke combo that fits what you like. So you're already let's be conservative for just 1 combo $150 & you end up hating the results then back to the drawing board etc. You could be in the hole $500 to $600 or even more by the time you find the combo that works for you more than what most people's guns cost.
Hey I'm not knocking anyone if that's the route you want to take, but I can't justify it over something that has never let me down if I do my job as the hunter/shooter.
But even though I'm gonna die on my hill of shooting lead, I still watch the BCO boy's everyday & enjoy the hell out of it 👍🇺🇲 God bless Brother's & can't wait for the next one!
Most tss is not $65 for 5 not even close trust me I know what it costs I’ve bought more tss in all gauges than most will in 7 lifetimes I know the difference per shell 🤣🤣
@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I was shopping for 12 gauge 3" TSS loads today. Boxes of 5 - Apex 2.25 oz/$68, Apex 2 oz/$63, Boss/$65, Rogue/$65, Jebs/$65, Pendleton/$63, Hevi-18 Hevi-shot/$70, & Junk Federal/$77. This gentleman shoots a 12 gauge, & most boxes of 5 TSS are approximately $65/box. A box of 2.75" Herter's might be a bit cheaper at $50. If someone is shooting 12 gauge 3" Winchester Longbeards and they switch to 12 gauge 3" TSS, the price looks approximately $65/box of 5, plus shipping & tax in most cases. A guy could buy a new 28 gauge & shoot $50 Apex loads, but that wasn't his point. What I saw today did not support your 7 lifetime claim.
My claim is I bought more lifetime in every gauge than most will in 7 lifetimes which is accurate
I think it’s just time to film this actual breakdown and show what I’m saying because most just can’t quite wrap their head around it
I recently shot some long beard in my 12 & 20. The 12 ga 870 with a Carlsons long beard choke puts just over 210 hits in a 10” circle with 3.5” 2oz #5 it’s ridiculous for lead and ridiculous to shoot without a lead sled. It’s the hottest lead core I’ve ever seen at 40 yards. That being said it needs a red dot because there isn’t a ton of room for error.
I ran into some big inconsistencies with the 20 gauge LBXR. I have no idea if I’m experiencing the “spring” effect you talk about but it was near 50 degrees and I am now getting about half the number of hits as I was last year with the same load, gun & choke . It went from 120ish to 52 in a 10” At 40 yards 🤷🏻♂️.
20 gauge LBXR the last 2 years have been absolutely trash we don’t know what happened to them ourselves
I saw a video someone put out that the resin degrades over time and the pattern gets worse. They tested a brand new box vs a box they already had from years prior side by side and it was a huge difference.
My stock accu x full choke with #4 longbeard wasn’t that impressive in the 940 turkey 18.5 barrel either and I tried the trulock.650 turkey choke with #6 shot longbeard and it was ok but not real impressive either so I’m hoping the sweet spot is the .660 chokes with longbeard?
We have several lead tests dropping with this gun over the next week or two I think you’ll dig
Thinking back to the lead days that pattern would have thrilled me. I am like you. Why use it now? With that I’ll retire the heavy shoulder pounding 12 gauge for a sub gauge. Now I have to go get a couple iced honey buns.
I agree it’s insane what tss has done to the turkey setups, my 410 with 9’s would destroy that pattern and that really was a rock solid lead pattern at 40
When I shoot lead, its always 4s and sometimes 5s. Never 6s, heard way too many horror storys of lead 6s past 35 yards.
I was always a 5’s guy til I switched to tss
That’s weird I’ve always used #6 shoot. This will be my 30th turkey season never had a issue
My old mossberg 5500 mkII loves #5 longbeard and my stoger with a jebs choke loves #6s both have taken turkeys consistently out to 40+ yards. Even uniform pattern is the key. My buddy has an old maverick 88 that shoots a pattern of 6's that looks like an artist hand painted each hole equal distance all fitting uniformly in a 10 inch circle. I've asked him to will it to me if he ever passes it's so good lol.
I'm surprised that the NY Government let's you guys hunt at all!
They can’t stop us lol
Hopefully you can try a Carlsons xr .660 long beard with longbeard #5’s and if you have the black diamond , Indian creek .660 with longbeard would be much appreciated with hopefully some good results!
Wel get to em if we can!
To request pattern tests you’d have to become a member as we have so many different setups to get to in both lead and tss
@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA How do I become a member? I'd love to see this test with Longbeard XR #5's, which is my preferred load.
@sgtp6569 links to our membership is in every videos description!
My girsan mc312 with a Carlson lbxr choke with lbxr 6s will put 215 in a 10” circle at 40 but still have enough leeway for me I know it’s not quite as good as tss but not worth the price for me in a 12 in a 20 gauge is a different story
Tss is made for subgauges I have 410’s that can do those kinda numbers and when you look at the price for 10 viper 1 oz 9’s or even 10’s it’s $60 for 10 and give me more shot than most lead loads in 12 gauge……
I have guns set up with lead and tss. But if you’re gonna hunt close lead works fine. In tss 10 410 $80-90, 10 20 ga $110-120, 10 12 ga $130-180. Cheap Lead $12/10. LBXR $30/10. MS sportsman license with salt water is about $60
How much is your gas cost, camo, gun, optics, calls, vest, scouting, etc when you add it all up (as I have from last May my actual costs) the slight difference in tss to lead is marginal at best
I don’t need 10 shells of any tss load to be set for a season
Could you please explain a little more why you don’t want to pattern lead on a cold day ? Thank you
Because it springs the pattern open as i stated in the video, we’ve tried it and it hurts the pattern performance tremendously so we won’t shoot it til it’s warmer so we get honest test results
Lead loads just are not the same as they used to be.
The old winchester Supreme and the double x magnum that was 3" 2oz #6 was the best.
Man they hammered!
I’ve got a Winchester sxp longbeard edition 12 gauge. I run the head banger tru glo choke with lbxr 3” number 5. I’m not sure how much tss is in New York but in Kentucky they are crazy and i guess I just can’t justify giving the 45 dollars more when the longbeards work if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I can get the longbeards for bout 27 a box and the federal tss is bout 80 a box in store. Maybe cheaper to find someone to load or maybe order offline cheaper not sure.
Federal tss is the most marked up load there is… I’m talking actual hand loaded tss companies in subgauges as that is the point of tss
My 410’s pattern better than most 12 gauge lead setups at 40 and yield more leeway in tight at the same time
Comparing 12 gauge lead to 12 gauge tss prices is not comparing lead to tss
@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I wouldn’t care to get into tss and stick with it to be honest. Just scared to pay the money and my gun not like it and the money is wasted. But the way my gun is set up right now it’s not crazy tight unless the bird is 20 and under but good enough I could kill one at 50 if need be. But I feel with tss it would be more beneficial to be able to shoot a little further just in case that bird hangs up
@jarrettkeith3012 tss will make a 28 gauge pattern like or even better than you’re 12 gauge with lead it’s insane
Tss is really quite simple to get to pattern lights out in any gauge it’s all about the constriction range plus if we have your gun you’re looking for Wel have tons of reference vids on setups
@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA I’ll have to look back this Winchester sxp longbeard edition is awesome and didn’t break the bank at all
@jarrettkeith3012 that’s what we like to hear!
Never been a fan of 4's. Killed many birds with 3" and 3 1/2" lbxr #6's though. That is what I liked before switching to Apex.
I was always a 5’s guy in 20 & 12 gauges myself
Why does lead pattern differently when it is cold? As far as money remember more boats have sank from small holes than torpedoes.
It’s not 8$ tho. Some TSS are at or over 20/round. With led it averages 2-3$/round. And unless you’re shooting 50-70 yards it’s not a 18$/round difference.
When I think of spending a dollar/round of 300 blk out or a dollar 556. It gives me hives. Imagine a 20$/round reaction. lol.
And the topper. My choke doesn’t accept anything but led. Just my broke butt reason. Just sighting my shotgun in with TSS. Would make my wallet cringe.
Mann we got Honey buns for the whole season. :) #4,’s&5’s Win,HV The old black shells 835/JH .690 or the Kicks .680 was straight up Thor’s hammer. I love honey buns. If ya like em close you need nothing else.
Thank you for all the “GREAT”information you share with the Turkey hunting community. Always appreciated.
@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA
Please name what loads are $20 a shell I’m very curious about that 🤣🤣
@@BlueCollarOutdoorsUSA well. At Cabela’s. Federal 3-1/2 box of 5 is 80$(79.9?) plus tax 6% for me. Almost 85$=approx 17$/ round.
Heavy 18 is 70$/5. Same tax approx 14.84/round.
So a little exaggeration but not much.
Your right. it doesn’t make much sense I’d spend 20-30 $ on one arrow. I just can’t justify even a 10$ round. Thousands of turkeys have fell to led. There’s a lot of marketing going on in the tss world.
Is it better. Yes. But I can’t justify 60-80$ for 5 shells. Out to 30-40 yards. I don’t think it makes the money difference.
That just me tho.
@heyman6010 not looking at in accurately is why
You will never need 3.5 inch tss tss makes my 410 shoot better than a 12 gauge with lead that is what tss should be compared to in pricing
I’m gonna film a video on this and break it all down as I’ve done so with all turkey costs from last couple springs myself with uninflated and accurate pricing to show an actual comparison not the extreme on one side