CDL Test, Class A 2024 "90 Degree Alley Dock"
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- The third of the advanced manuvers. Read ahead for the points system and other rules. Remember during the CDL test you'll only do ONE of the advanced manuvers, you'll do either PP Conventional, PP Sight side, 90 Degree Alley dock. It's a random selection made by the examiner. When I tested and many other examiners do this is we roll a dice labeled with the three manuvers.
You're allowed two free pull ups, you can take as many as you need up to a point. Pull ups are the least amount of points "1 point after the two free" so do them to get in a better position. The G.O.A.L. is limited to only Two. Get out and Look, You cannot take a third look.
Encroachments are 2 points for any part of the vehicle that crosses or touches a boundery line. On a Class A vehicle both vehicles, tractor and trailer are scored separately. You could have part of the tractor and part of the trailer encroached and that would equal 4 points. If you encroach you'll be stopped and required to clear the encroachment, which means an additional pullup or reverse in direction, whichever applies. You cannot finish an exercise encroached. You can finish outside a boundary line for your final position. The final position has to be adhered to or there is a 10 point penalty.You'll be allowed up to 12 points total for a pass. The 13th point is a FAIL.
Ask questions if you're unsure about anything.
I parked my van on the side of the truck stop reserved for vans and RVs. In the morning I woke up to see a big rig backed in next to me within a foot of my mirror. There was a box truck on the other side of him and he was similarly close to him. All I can say is, THESE GUYS ARE GOOD at backing up!!!!
Mr Logan, I have watched all the backing videos about 100 times each, thank you for posting them... Outstanding Job Sir.
I appreciate the kind words, Thank you and best of luck to you!
As a former OTR driver and now as a Trailer Jockey/Spotter/Yard Dog at a major D.C. This is a great training tool. The 90 degree alley dock is my go to backing manover. even after 10's of thousands of backing the alley dock is fantastic. Yes I use the off-set when needed but learning trailer control is key. Thanks!
Got my CDL through Sage Technical in Lexington SC. The instructors had so much knowledge and really put it in a way that was super easy to follow.
Good job! Thank you for the mention.
Scott, or Steve? Good question, a bit hard to show in the video because where we practice this we have lines painted and we make specific references to those lines. The mesurements are this, from the entrance to the alley dock go out 26 feet. That's the first line. The second is at 38 feet. That makes the first 12 foot lane, Try to line up in that area somewhere in the middle of of 26/38, preferably closer to the 38 than the 26. Going forward past the entrance of the alley is tricky. Try taking the back of the trailer past the left side of the alley (standing at the rear of the Alley and looking forward) about 20 feet, start with that and as you follow the instruction I've layed out the trailer will either go in or turn in too soon or too late. Reposition the vehicle accordingly. Example: If you go too far past the entrance by 5 feet just move the vehicle 5 feet forward. Once you have the marks down it will go very nice for you. Thanks for the comment!
Mr. Logan , thanks to your self help videos I have the confidence to pass my C.D.L. Skills Test . Very informative , precise , and helpful . Your doing a righteous service .
seriously thank you 2023. great video brother. i was about to give up in my CDL SCHOOL 🙏🏾
Glad you like them, I have the whole series that explains everything that you’ll be tested on and they are current. I also have a short video with testing updates.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest thank you very much. I will check them out now.
I’m in Florida and I failed the alley doc .. I’m in tears .but not giving up
Awwww, This is because you have strong will and you want this. I've seen many persons just like you with the passion and when they continue like you and they pass it's always going to be something you'll look back on and you can be proud when you say "I DID IT"
hi, have you passed the test ?
this helped me more than being in school lol
michael clark same lol
HERE HERE!!! DITTO!!!! I was pulling up AT LEAST 8-10 times AFTER my 2 free pull ups on this maneuver. This video brought me down to 2-4 pull ups INCLUDING my 2 free pull ups!!!!👍👍 THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES!!!
this move was my nemisis!-until now😄
I’m learning that I’m over turning and coming in early. Hope I can fix this before my test in 4 weeks
You’ve realized what you we’re doing and that helps. Make the necessary corrections and you’ll be able to do this. Let us know how you did!
Thanks for making this I just failed my first exam because my school sucks (lack of training) so I'm teaching myself through CZcams so when they actually do let me practice I can preform better before I pay NM another $200
Good idea, the entire test and all of the information is in section 11, 12, and 13 of the CDL drivers manual. Master those things mentioned and you can pass the test. Best of luck to you!
What school are you in?
How did it go?
@@justchris846 Sorry I didn't reply until now. Sage truck Driving school in Grand Junction, Colorado. I'm actually on a leave of absence right now but there are other very qualified instructors there.
Great Job!! You are a Pro!!
Thanks!
Thanks Mike i passed my driving and inspection all i needed to do was pass the 90° and failed my basic skills well ill be going at it again on friday and hope i pass this my skill test.
Thank you so much mike your videos helped me so much i just need more practice.
It sounds like you have determination and a great attitude. I wish you all the best!
You're not the only one that failed
I failed the alley dock today did the proper steps I dnt understand at school I can do it 4 to five times in a row and do fine but come test day I fail ughh
I think your nerves got the best of you. Keep trying, you can do it.
I was doing the same thing homie! I was doing it easy asf at the school to where students was asking me how and when to turn but then I would get to the state exam site and fail. I failed the state exam 5 times! Finally passed tho the day of my exam I just didn’t do it at the school I just did a offset and left the 90 alone then went to the exam and passed it. It’s them nerves and being anxious.
Use land marks if you can
Great video Best I’ve found so far! I’m only on the in class book work but once I go to the range to practice these maneuvers I’m going to use this advice..well done!
Thank you
I like what you said about the 45 degrees. You get too far past that it takes too long to chase
Yes exactly
This is one of the best tips for alley docking.l had to start over again after a minor set back in my car.I am learning again how to leydock.but l am doing better than l think..
If you're saying that you missed your mark and went back to the beginning that is a smart move. It cost you one pull-up unless you're still using one of the free ones, but allows you to start from the beginning. I highly recommend this.
Thanks Mike for your video .It will be my Second day for this 90 Degree Alley Dock backing My road test is in two weeks
Good luck!
I failed the CDL test 5x in oregon due to the alley dock manuever. Have to wait a year now or go out of state to train :/
I can imagine you’re devastated. If this is what you want, don’t give up!
Mike Logan how can someone become an instructor?
It’s very similar to anything else. Get experience and good experience in different types of trucking jobs. That would be helpful but I wouldn’t suggest job hopping. It takes a good knowledgeable work history and then apply. Truck driving schools allow a certain number of hours for paid training. I would find out if it would be OK to volunteer on your own to go in the classrooms and also ride in the trucks unpaid for more valuable experience.
I count back 3 Mississippi one full right turn steer than slite left's/straight..get in the box right pull forward..staright line back
That’s a technique I’ve seen before, and it works for some. My preference is to know where all parts the vehicle are at all times and steer accordingly.
Period
Thanks for the much simpler video. Still don't get why we are taught to get out and look but are only allowed 2 pullups
The reason for the limit of two GOAL is this. You're challenged to see if you can do the backing exercises using your mirrors. In the real world setting you should get out as many times as needed. "PULLUPS"
The first two pullups are free with no points accessed. If you use a third one or more you are penalized one point for each pullup after the two free. I explain the point system in all of the backing videos so take a minute to read this and familiarize yourself with the points system. This information is not in the CDL drivers manual.
wow, true your explanation i can tell, you are a good driver,so if some one want to learn can you teach the person,
Not any more, I sold my Truck and closed down my Trucking Business. I will try to answer any questions you might have. email me at mikelogan99@gmail.com
Great job,huge lesson😀
My school is a scam, zero training, zero instruction. Who do I file a complaint with? I want them investigated.
I would start by documenting specific situations. Take that information to the school director and then move up the chain of command to the corporate office and to the owner. If you have a complaint it’s likely that others also have complaints.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest All of us (students) feel the same way, it's a regular topic of conversation. when I met the class who went through the program before me they said the same thing, my whole class is saying the same thing, and now the class coming in behind me is saying the same thing.
The school claims a 98% success rate (student who end up earning a CDL), however of the 15 class A students who started with me only 2 of us have made it as far as having a test date (doubt either of us will pass). We are now 3.5 months and $9,000 in.
There are 6 instructors and besides their mandatory hour or two of rides with students per day they spend all day inside looking at their phones and talking trash to each other. I have received literally ZERO instruction on how to do my maneuvers, I just go on youtube and watch videos and try out what i see. If we ask the instructors a question or for a demonstration or really for anything at all they cuss us out and degrade us. Their disgusting human beings. I could go on and on but this is already getting long.
If I complain to the school I dont believe it will go anywhere because the instructors laugh and joke about previous students who filed complaints to the school. They pull out the print outs of complaints (that are supposed to be anonymous but aren't) and read them and laugh about it in front of the new class and call the person who filed the complaint all kinds of nasty things. This is why I would like to file my complaint with someone who can actually do something about it... the state, the feds, whoever provides them their "accredited" status, the BBB, the FMCSA, I dont really know where to start.
On one hand I just want to get my CDL and move on, but the thing is how many more students are they going to rob $9,000 from and not actually provide any training or instruction at all in return? How many other people are they going to degrade and yell and cuss at when their just trying to get some training and better their (and their family's) lives. Its not right that they get to keep doing this to people over and over again.
I had the worst instructor
@@renegaderatsI just now read your comment and my jaw dropped. I’m sorry that I missed it for the past few weeks. I’ve been out of the country in a remote area with spotty internet at best. If the school is accredited by your state then quite often the state provides tuition assistance to qualifying students. I’ve been seeing more of these type of comments and I’m wondering what is going on. I always recommend to document any and all situations. Make notes of anyone who was present or also involved. This is important because as time passes you’ll forget some details. I would try to get some results from the company owners, directors or someone who is in charge at the school. From there go to the state employment agency or the department that assists with tuition assistance, job search and placements. Somewhere along that line you should find additional information about how to handle this. I wish you the best. If you want to reach out to me, my email is mikelogan99@gmail.com
Thank you!
@@Johndoe85858I’ve provided my email, mikelogan99@gmail.com
Let me know if you have any questions about your situation.
these videos you guys do really help. thank yo soo much!
Glad you like them!
thanks for all the training mike you made me a much better driver
If you want a new topic for a video a 45 degree alley dock would also be helpful. Love you videos Mike!
Although the 45 degree alley dock is going to be the most common way to dock, it’s not on the CDL test. My video series only pertains to the things you’ll be tested on. Thank you for the comment!
Thank you for the instruction sir....
Thank You!
I ve practice this and still Failed my test .this is my 3rd tine I fail on this 90 Dock .😢I’m disappointed in me.I’m so Angry I just don’t know what to do .
I feel for you, it’s a difficult maneuver, and it’s all about learning how to track your trailer, and at the same time stay focused on the position of the truck.
@denisq6194 Search for a video called "the offset law", it explains a lot about how the truck reacts for the 90 back. Also, once you have your trailer slightly aimed towards the cones, often times you can keep the steering wheel straight and that "offset law" will guide it in the right direction for you with little adjustments as you come into/near the cones. That's how I've been practicing. Good luck! You can do this!
@@Final-Ts For those who are trying to figure this out, perhaps this will be usefull. It's another more lenghtly video but perhaps it will help!
Nice class
Great video, and perfect content. I have to say that you have explained and showed this perfectly. This is the most helpful alley docking video i have seen so far, thank you. A little info from my current situation, I have recently gotten a promotion with my current company. Pepsi gave me a local delivery job and told me I could use all their equipment to practice. I was with a awesome instructor who let me drive in the real world so far, however I need to practice this and parallel parking. Again thank you, this is very helpful.
Thanks for the clarification very helpful. I have one more question would appreciate if you could shed more light on... when drive wheels are straight and truck has angle how does it effect the trailer angle...does it still increase when wheels are straight? I know how left and right, effects trailer but what does straight wheel do while backing? Hope I was not to confusing..
Trailer angle stays the same. At this Truck driving school, we're doing this maneuver from the same beginning point every time. It makes more sense if you're a student here at this location. At your location try to establish a beginning position that is the same each time. Then use the technic I show where you use a fixed object on the trailer to line up your Drive axles each time. That will enable you to do this exercise correctly each time. If your trailer is 2 feet too far to the right of the entrance then do the exercise exactly the same but move 2 feet forward from where you started the last time. My students here learn this exercise last, #6 so by then they're getting comfortable with backing. It turns out that this is one of the easiest exercises to do for them. I hope this helps!
Thank You.
You're welcome
I just did my pre-trip and backing skills test today and I failed backing, . I got too many points on Alley docking. I suck. I do not know why I am having such a hard time. when I get the truck at the 45° angle my brain to freaks out and doesn’t remember what to do. The examiner said that the 45° angle is too much. I can’t read test for five days and I’ll have to December to complete it. And I’m not in the school I’m doing this with the help of some family that has a truck that I’m supposed to go drive for but the truck is on the road so much I don’t have time to practice not any dedicated time anyway I do not know what to do about this I’m so frustrated
Brenda, for the help you need it may be best handled if you called me or emailed me. 479-790-3671 or mikelogan99@gmail.com We can talk this through. Thanks
Brenda Alexander , don’t give up , I’m CDL school and yes it’s hard , but I’m still trying.
Thank you Mike I'm hoping to be joining the sage program in January I've been looking at different videos on CZcams but I'm pretty sure once I get out there and get Hands-On it would be better but I appreciate any tips that you guys give me on these videos I know it would help once I get out there
Thanks, I will mention I'm no longer an instructor there but I know those who are still there and they are top notch! You'll do very well choosing this school, Megan is the Director and she will help you with anything you need.
I dont have the confidence we are being taught properly, we are doing one full turn to the right back up until we see about 1 ft from the landing gear, then back straight, and try to arc it into the space, normally I come in late, but sometimes early, need at least one pull up. Seems like a waste of time, but it is what it is.
I think you’re instructed accurately. If you’re coming in to early or late try to learn how to counter steer well in advance to direct the trailer properly. You can also start further ahead or back if you have a way to gauge that. You get two free pull ups so why not use them. I think this maneuver is the most challenging. Thanks for the comment!
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest Hi Mike, Thank You.
I dont understand the counter steer, if I bump the steering wheel right (late) then The trailer will go left faster. Bumping the steering wheel left is slower but early, both turns are left. So there's no counter steer. ?
Hi Mike, getting it, made a few with no pull up's today and yesterday, having a little trouble fixing the trailer when I'm almost all the way in, My instructor has suggested just do a straight pull up which is OK, what I see in the mirror isn't being processed correctly in my brain. Turning towards the hazard while backing or turning away pulling up ?
My instructor has me almost jack knife it in and as soon as the trailer tires almost stop as im cutting it in, i turn the whe left to catch my trailer. It works pretty good if you time it properly.
There are many different technics to get this done. I prefer to keep the tires rolling so you don't scrub flat spots on the tires. Thanks for the comment.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest I feel like your way is a little easier for me truthfully.. I was doing the back no problem and then at my test nerves got the best of me but I was trying it my instructors way. Gonna try your way next time. Thanks for the video
Good job...
I think that the limit on looks and pull-ups is absolutely stupid, when you out there doing it for real, you can do it as many times as necessary to make sure everything and everyone is safe. I really don’t understand why the school does that
Bacause it's a test to evaluate your skill set. If your penalties are only taking pull ups you'll be allowed 17 total for the three backing exercises. You get 5 free, 1 for the straight line backing and two each for the advanced exercises. Then you have a 12 points penalty total that you have to stay under to pass. Pull ups after the free ones are 1 point each. You get 5 free looks for three exercises. I think that's pretty lenient.
How is that a 90 degree ? They teach us to go hard right until the tractor is at a 90 degree in front of the side of the trailer and then hard left until the wheels start to roll back and go from there .
The maneuver is named a 90 degree alley dock because the tractor/trailer start off at a 90 degree angle to the space you're backing into. Thank you for the comment!
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest i passed my CDL test last Tuesday your video helped .
@@joeybandz how 90 is that
Thank you
Nicely done. Can you tell us about mirror usage during the CDL exam? Is it okay to roll down the window and turn my head in conjunction with mirrors on both sides? I'll be testing using a low-boy, so I'm wondering about looking out the rear window as well. Thank you.
You can do all of the the things you mentioned. Good luck!
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest Thanks!
This really helped me a lot thank you
I’m glad it helped
Good djob bro
very nice
Thank you
This won’t work if you have to test at a dmv. You can not 45 it in. You have to 90 it . Basically it needs to be at a L.
You’re correct but any testing facility should have a course already set up so you can make a 90 degree alley dock. Because most states have adapted the new modernized CDL exam this maneuver will be obsolete soon.
Ama fast learner, ready to sign up
Push forward!
Me too.
Thanks for the video, Mr. Logan, it does clarify some aspects I was struggling with. Any advice on when to do the first hard turn to the right? I never get the timing right, and then I'm too late or too early when getting close to the cones. I cannot really find landmarks, as we're training on the fairgrounds and they keep moving stuff around when they plow the snow. The only fixed reference points I have are the cones.
The starting point should be in the middle of the alley and the forward boundary cones. Remember I said they were placed 70 feet in front of the alley entrance. That would be placing the center of your vehicle about 35 feet. I start by turning the steer all the way right until I see the Landing gear leg on the passenger side of the trailer and I stay on the leg until I get close to the entrance. From there turning the wheel right will push the trailer to the left and opposite for the left If you can't get the trailer in the spot try to start the exercise further up or back. If you can establish a consistent starting place each time the maneuver will go better for you. It takes practice to see how the trailer tracts. Your focus is on the landing gear leg for a long distance, then look out the window at the trailer tires.
Thank you Mr. Logan, that makes sense. I hope to pass the test with these tips!
Perfect parking. Anyway, in a real world scenario there of course would not be any cones for guidance so maybe placing some objects like bright colored gloves on the ground and creating an imaginary line between IT and either the LEFT or RIGHT alley dock bumper (depending on if the driver is viewing the initial backing from the driver or passenger side mirrors) as a point to hit and not back up pass once the TRAILER is on the inside of the alley dock boundary should be a good alternative. Once on the target object(s), creative a few more forward and backing maneuvers, but always keep that target object in sight until that trailer is all way inside the opening of the dock, then finish with STRAIGHT LINE backing to complete the alley dock parking until around 3ft from the dock. DONE.
Good advice, I think being creative and focusing is vital. Use any tricks that help!
For someone that knows is easy to do, we need details!! Turn right then left, details cause seeing the video it looks easy but doesn’t help, I’m going to find another video I guess
I made this video for the students at this truck driving school and they continue after 6 years to use this as a refresher. It also applies to every location nationwide but for here they have the lines painted on the lot. It's a general discription and goes step by step to get the trailer pointed to the entrance of the alley. The difficult part is deciding when to turn as you complete the manuver, that takes time and practice. Thanks for the comment!
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Is there a time frame for when and how you use your pull up, i.e. (do you have to be in the ally or do any of your tires have to be in the ally and can you turn any way you want)?
There is not a time frame or rules as to when or where you take a pull up. A pull up is counted every time you change direction to correct any movement you're not satisfied with. Thank for the comment!
Mr. Logan, prior to starting the alley dock, when lined up parallel to the outer boundary, is the vehicle centered, closer to the alley dock, or further to the right adjacent to the outer boundary? Thanks in advance and I really appreciate what you have done! Scott
Steve Sandmeyer if you're too close to the outer boundary away from the alley dock you won't have enough room to swing the tractor around in front of the trailer when straightening out if that made sense
Well said
Hi Mike. I'm in CA and have to get a Class A CDL to haul my 12000lb gooseneck horse trailer. I recently failed the 90 degree Alley Dock. My question is, is there a "lane that you must start in AND must back up straight, until you're at a specific footage right before the alley dock? Or can I start anywhere within the 70' boundaries? Also, what does the pic in the beginning of your clip, say? It's not clear enough to read. I'm thinking it's simular to what I'm trying to describe. Thanks!
The picture shows the dimensions of the testing area. I've answered your question at other times for others. Start with the truck in the middle of the 70 foot space and drive your trailer past the entrance of the alley about 20 to 30 feet. That should get you close and you can gauge it from there. If you don't quite get the trailer to go in the space just start further ahead or back some but try the backing procedure the same each time.
I fail the 90 today :(
don't give up
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest I won't I have my second free chance on Monday I will implement this in my test.
I wish you good luck and skills so you can get this. Tell me the results after Mondays test please.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest I pass Mike thanks
Awesome!!! have a great career
If my trailer keeps being far right. I have to pull up and give it a little more bend. Can I do an all the way right, with one turn to the left, like tire kinda in the middle, and then turn all the way left to straighten my trailer?
Also im having trouble judging when my trailer passes the cone, to give it more bend.
I either get it just inside the cone, or too far right.
Making the turns the way you said is correct. I would suggest watching the tracking of the trailer tires. Watch how they approach the entrance cones but you have to make the adjustments in advance approximately 10 to 12 feet before. The basic backing concepts always apply. If you need the trailer to move to the right turn to the left. Moving to the left...turn right. The trick is, to do this and allow yourself the correct amount if room to crank that hard left to get the tractor lined up with the trailer. You do this as soon as you see the trailer is going in correctly. The space in front of the cones is limited to 70 feet for class A and 50 feet for class B.
Thanks for the comment!
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest I pass my backing, but then I fail my road test. I gotta get better with turning. And looking ahead.
How can I practice my Turning? And I've never been in a truck. I have get more experience with it to dominate it. I dont think 2 hours is enough.
Think of it like this, your lane is typically going to be 12 feet wide. You’re in a 8 foot wide truck. As you approach your turn position the truck as far to the left or to the right in your lane as possible without going over. This is the first step in gaining an advantage so your trailer will clear. Drive ahead and turn hard to the right into the second 12 foot lane and stay in that lane for a distance that allows your trailer to clear. Depending on how long your trailer is and how quickly your truck turns determines whether this technique will work. This works for every truck we have at our school. If that second lane belongs to oncoming traffic you must always yield to that traffic. That means you should stop and wait for the traffic to clear before you proceed. It sounds like you may have several things you’re struggling with and if that’s the case you can email me at mikelogan99@gmail.com
I’ll send you my phone number and we can talk. I’ve spoke to several people over the years who have struggled.
Thanks again for the comment!
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest I pass the test, but I lack experience. I need road experience. I ran smoother. I'll send you an email.
Thank you!
Question, Does spotting the trailer mean following the trailer while trying to maintain the same angle as I am backing towards the alley? I noticed you only made left turn corrections the whe you were close enough u did right to line trailer in. You also stopped and got out when your back wheels were lined up with cones. Your video is amazing very helpful would greatly appreciate any advice about when to begin my straightening out turn. Thanks
When I say spotting the trailer that means placing the back tires of the trailer at the location I want. This maneuver requires you to start from the same location every time so the technics work the same each time. I'm always aware of the angle of the trailer as it goes in the space. I turn left most of the time because my goal is to end up with the truck straight in front of the trailer so I can push the trailer in using both mirrors. Turning hard right for a short amount of distance and then turning back hard left will correct the angle that the trailer is going in at. It will push the front of the trailer to the right. Always be aware of the angle of the trailer and the truck position. If you can't see the vehicle and you think you're going to hit a cone, use the looks, we only allow two so the last one should be used for the final position. You will be graded for the back of the trailer position. Thank you, I do take calls so you can find my phone number in the Video description section.
I posted my phone number on Brenda Alexanders' responce or you can email me at mikelogan99@gmail.com
You take calls? You sir are above and beyond. Thanks for answering these comments. I'm Reading them all. Good news you have more pullups - is you take points. Good info.
Hey mike ! I start my test in couple of days but when I do my alley dock test do I have to perform a 90 degree angle ?or can I do 45 degree angle ? it’s a lot easier for me to do 45 then 90 degree ally dock I just don’t know what the test suggest thanks!
The 90 degree is required, I agree that the 45 is easier but you have to set up at a 90 degree initially. Good luck!
Hey mike gud afternoon does this same set up works with the 20ft trailer as well.if not could you give me some tips on it
Yes, everything is the same. The shorter trailer reacts quicker and you can correct a wrong move easier and the starting point won’t be as far forward. Good luck!
@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest thank you sir God bless
I actually use it and got thro
I wondering if anyone can do it in one shot....
Yes, myself and all the other instructors are very proficient. We need to be so we can recognize when you're going off track so we can help you get back on track.
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You still have a school . I have my permit. I am looking for a place not to waste my time or money
Yes, google www.sageschools.com for locations and information.
I'm struggling with all my backs and my trainer is not really helping. I'm using a 28 ft to back . Can you help
Sorry to hear this, The turning points and procedures are the same as I show in the video. The 28' will react quicker but the parking is the same. Just be ready to make adjustments quickly and try to go slow and do each step before you go to the next one. For example, on the parallel park I show you how to line up with the back wall of cones. you want to be pointed to the middle. Don't go past that step and try to complete the maneuver until you are pointed to the back wall, then continue and move the trailer axle to the boundary line and get out like I did. continue on with each part but break everything into small segments. It's easier to remember like that, Thanks!
because the truck is small it reacts a lot quicker so turn the steering wheel very little if you steer to much it will cause all types of problems
I overlooked responding to this comment a year ago. It deserved a response because I think this may be more common at the schools out there. I've witnessed what you're saying and when I saw the frustration that the student went through I vowed to not do this.
ok but how to tell how far back end is in box?
You’ll have to get out and look.
Are the look and pull up amounts the same for every state? In mn
I'm not sure about the testing procedures because they are only available to the test administrators and not published. Here's the good news, you're allowed to ask questions to the examiner concerning anything. They will read to you the overview for every part of the test and that includes the number of looks and pull-ups. I also stated all of the overviews in my video series that apply in Colorado. The last sentence of the overview is "Do you have any questions". So ask anything you want!
I've watched and tried this but I'm still having trouble getting it. I'm in school trying to pass the pre test for my cdl any advice is welcome.
I'm not sure what pre-test you're referring to? Be more specific and I'll try to help.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest school gives you a pre evaluation on offset and alley dock before the test you have to pass them twice.
I see, thanks for clearing that up. We don't do it that way where I teach. We do get the students to the point where they're proficient and if they need more time we make arrangements for that.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest oh ok
If you read my reply to zacky 2011 I suggest using the same starting point each time. Do you have any markings on the pavement that you can line up to? Then establish a point on the trailer to line up to. Stay on that point with the edge of the drive tires looking in the mirror and see where the trailer goes. Play with it, do different steering maneuvers and see how the trailer reacts. You're always wanting the truck to end up in front of the trailer on this exercise. Your eyes are focused on several parts of the vehicle at once, not just one thing. Watch the back of the trailer to see if you're going into the space. Look at the front of the trailer to determine the angle of the trailer. Then look at the truck, is it going to end up in front of the trailer so you can push the trailer straight in. It's a tough one, good luck!
1:31 how do you find or know a good stopping position?
Your trailer is about 30 to 40 ft past the entrance to the alley dock. The video is used for the students from this truck driving school and the course has many painted lines for points of reference.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest Thank you for that.
Yeah , I'ma fail 😂😂😂
-I hope that you continue to try. please don't get discouraged. I'll take your call if you want someone to talk to. 479-790-3671 text me first.
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest Hey Mike. That is REALLY COOL SIR how you are willing to give out your time to all of us that are learning these maneuvers!!! Would I be able to contact you and ask a couple of questions if you wouldn't mind. I think I can understand an explanation better in words that than reading it on paper or a screen. That's if you are willing and have the time, and if not I TOTALLY understand. Once again, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, for your time!!!
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstestyo u even put your number wow . Glad there are people so willing to help others god bless you sir
How far will you turn your wheels to the right when aiming the hole? The problem I have is sometimes I will be close to the left almost off the line and sometimes I go over the line. Any insight is welcomed.
Try to establish a beginning point that is the same each time. By using the landing gear or some other fixed object on the trailer you'll see by following that with the outside edge of the drive tires you'll spot the trailer each time. This helps you learn how the maneuver is done. It is unlikely that you'll do this 90 degree in a real world situation. A 45 degree angle works better. To answer your question about turning right, try it several different ways in practice and see how affects the front of your trailer. You'll notice when the front of the trailer moves over it changes the angle and affects the back. You can try different things while you're learning. Mess it all up on purpose and see what it takes to fix it. Thanks for the question!
Mike Logan thanks for answering my question. God bless you, buddy.
Bs there is a limit to how far you can pull up they put a red line
Yes, directly in front of the alley you have a forward boundary line 70 feet in front of the entrance cones of the alley
Mike Logan I was mad I failed my test because I pulled too far forward I heard in this video there is no limit to how far you can pull forward
@@D503OFFICIAL You misunderstood me. "Please read my entire reply" I said on two different occasions. In the beginning of the video when I went over the standardized instructions I said don't go past the forward boundary. I also posted a diagram with the dimensions of the course when I said pause the video, In the diagram there is a forward boundary line that is 70 feet in front of the alley dock cones for class A vehicles and 50 feet for Class B vehicles. Then in the beginning of the exercise I said again that the forward boundary cones are 70 feet. At time stamp between 2:39 and 2:52 I explain that if you don't hit the spot you can pull forward and there is not a limit on how far you can do a pull-up, you could actually go back to your starting position and start again. This is where you misunderstood. There is no limit to the left of the alley but there is a limit straight ahead. 70 Feet, Under the video I give a lengthy explanation about this exercise and the points system and the last sentence says to Ask questions if you're unsure about anything. You can ask the examiner Anything!
When can you do a pull up?
Mike, Take a pullup any time you need to reposition the vehicle to gain an advantage. You'll start the test back before you pass the entrance of the Alley. I refer to this as the staging area. The instructions will state to drive forward past the entrace of the Alley dock and position the vehicle parallel to the outer boundary line. This will set you up at a 90 degree angle. The scoring doesn't start until you reverse direction. A Pullup happens when you reverse direction to gain an advantage. Even rolling a short distance in the reverse direction will be considered a Pullup. The first two are free and any after 2 free have the smallest penalty point amount. I always encourage pullups and looks.
I have a question. Does using a 53' tridem make a difference when 90° backing?
The concept is the same. All of the course measurements are the same. On a 53' you may want your tamdems slid back more so you reduce the trailer swing. Start in between the entrance of the forward boundary cones and the entrance of the alley. That distance is 70 feet. drive past the entrance about 30 feet and then adjust your starting distance according to how accurate the trailer rear is placed into the alley. You have to play with it to see what works. Good luck!
@@mikelogan99CDLClassAskillstest this was a triaxle flatbed with a fourth axle tag and super singles. It was difficult to get it to turn and would have taken me anyway more than the space provided. It's also been ten years or so since I drove last. Used to be able to backup no problem lol.
I didn't see the second comment right away. I tried to help someone once that had that type of trailer and it wouldn't work very good so he got a different trailer. You may consider that.
Hmm... not how California had us do it But good video
AAMVA "American Association of Motor vehicle Administrators" is the association that sets up the testing regulations and strives to have all states and the examiners doing the same thing pertaining to testing CDL applicants. Are they all the same now? Probable not but trying to get there.
Unreal Tournament! Cool!
Mike Logan in California we can not use any pull ups until our rear of the trailer or the trailer axles have broken the plain of the entrance of the alley....ie past the first cones..
@@shellfish5078 I should have responded two years ago., my apologies. I want to post a response so others can read this. Flat out, that's bull shit because they who are teaching or conducting the exam have placed extra rules that are not in section 12 of your CDL Manual. The test is based on the book and every states book says the same things. I would present the question to those who told you that....SHOW ME where it says that in the book. Bottom line--------- IT DOES'NT---------Study the book and test by the book!
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This is not what they teach us in school
Not sure what to say about making a general statement and not giving any details. Section 12 of your CDL manual shows the diagram of a 90 degree alley dock. This video shows a very accurate demonstration on how to do the exercise in the exact dimensions that you'll be tested in. If you have a different way to complete the exercise that's okay.
Schools make money by training students, if students passed the cdl exam the first time, the school loses revenue. I'm speaking from experience, in NJ, we had a CDL school that got grants from the state allowing unemployment residents to get their CDL for free and if the student failed the CDL exam, they would get additional training for free until they passed.
This isn' a 90 degree alley dock. 90 degrees means 90 degrees
Section 12 refers to the maneuver as an Alley Dock. When the truck is set up and staged and sitting at the point where you're about to back up to do the maneuver, it is at a 90 degree angle to the dock. Thank you for the comment!
Thank you so much!
You’re very welcome!