The Real Winamp Player - This Week In Retro 175
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What if that classic Winamp interface could leave your PC screen and still play all your music? It has happened. What if somebody built that Voodoo graphics card powered laptop you wished you had? It has happened. What if your classic Amiga had PCI expansion slots? It has happened.
What else has happened in the world of Retro Computing? Press play an find out!
00:00 - Show Opening
07:55 - Real Player Is Better Than Winamp?
Story Link: www.tomshardware.com/raspberr...
UI Demo: • Linamp UI demo
23:49 - Voodoo On The Move
Story Link: hothardware.com/news/worlds-f...
38:18 - Dave's Housekeeping
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50:38 - Amiga PC, Aye? (Amiga PCI)
Story Link: hackaday.com/2024/06/04/the-a...
01:01:42 - Community Question of the Week
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This Week in Retro is a weekly roundup of the hottest stories from the world of retro gaming and computing, voted on by you, the listener! Hosted by Neil from RMC and Dave. Edited by Duncan Styles.
Dave's Briefs Links:
SNES Doom Preservation: archive.org/details/jeffs-doo...
Atari Tarzan: gamehistory.org/atari-2600-ta...
X86 46 Years Old: www.xda-developers.com/on-thi...
Limited Edition Xbox: www.eurogamer.net/this-shocki...
80s DRM: • Exploring 80s Anti-Pir...
Tamagotchi: kotaku.com/tamagotchi-mothra-...
The Thing Remaster: kotaku.com/the-thing-remaster...
SpaceWar: www.theguardian.com/technolog...
Shenmue: gamerant.com/shenmue-fans-bil...
Wii Play Billiards: www.gamesradar.com/platforms/...
BackBit Pro: www.backbit.io/ - Věda a technologie
Aah, good old WinAmp, it really kicked the llama´s a** 😂😂
'Whips', but that's my pedantry for the day 😊
Ass, we are all adults here.
My son is Autistic and loves his music. He find's spotify etc overwhelming . He loves buying CD's and playing them on a portable CD player . So when he walks to work he has a bag with a selection of CD's, his portable CD Player as well as a handful of AA batteries. Makes me happy.
It's criminal that we have companies, businesses and government telling us to help save the environment and recycle but we are not allowed to take electronics from the tip to recycle and rescue (at our own risk).
Distinctly remember 12 years ago when I was making my retro arcade bartop machine I tried to take a monitor from the tip and was told to put it back. Couldn't believe it, absolutely no logic at all and so wasteful
I have read that the UK has some strict laws on what we call dumpster diving. In the US there was a Supreme Court ruling in 1988 they declared it legal in all 50 states (California v. Greenwood) BUT this only applies to dumpsters not on private property, so if a store has a dumpster on their property, it's technically trespassing to take anything out of it. In practice, many businesses don't care and the local cops care even less. Still, some businesses are dead set against it and will even intentionally damage discarded items so they can't be scavenged. It seems the best policy is to ask first. In most cases the business owner will be OK with it so long as you don't make a huge mess, which unfortunately many divers do, giving us all a bad name.
Take it a anyway.
Back in the '90s I used to go to the library and take out 10 CDs for £1 and rip the hell out of them, take them back and get 10 more the next day. The library staff must have thought I was insane haha. I backed-up all the mp3s to hundreds of CDrs which I promptly filed away neatly in folders, to barely ever be used again haha, and have no doubt all got disc rot now any way!. I still use Winamp now, with the classic skin, it's still my favourite way to quckly right-click play a folder of compressed music, and the huge number of plug-ins that still work for it make it just as useful to me now as 25 years ago!
Glad I was able to shout out CMR and RBR in the community question of the week. 😄
Haha LOVED the reference to the Vauxhall Nova SR! 😂 That's what I had in mine... Minus the donuts! Perfect retro!
Today's Dave Housekeeping really channelled the style of LCD Soundsystem (in particular the track "Losing My Edge"), which is especially appropriate for an episode featuring a literal LCD soundsystem :)
Hmm, Neil mentions a CD tower sat next the computer, and how the CD towers are now on the tip. Viewer glances guiltily at the CD tower STILL next to his PC. Anachronisms are us!
I know that feeling. *Leans over to see 4 milk crates and 8 Ikea boxes of cds* 💿
I know I'm old because people are nostalgic for 90s PCs, but I was in my 30s, at the time.
I'm a few years off 60 so the same. I have noticed that in a lot of retro nostalgia podcasts etc these days, that the presenters look as though they are in their 40s and have nostalgia for games/computers etc which they used in their pre-teens/early-teens. I think nostalgia is driven by what happened in those earlier years. I used a lot of those same games/computers etc in the 1980s/90s, but I have no nostalgia for them. I'm happy with just my modern PC, modern games, and modern mods for old games.
@@MrJakeTucker indeed. During the same period I was busy getting laid. 😂 I have a wife and kids, these days. Now, 80s micros such as the speccy and C64 are a great source of nostalgia.
I was working as a Computer Technician in the 90's, fixing those PC's.
Now I feel old!
Honestly hardware from that era was expensive rubbish aged badly, no charm at all in it.
@@jimbotron70 I'm in the target demographic, so I might be biased, but I think the 90s is when computing finally took off. I had a computer in the 80s -- a TRS-80, a C64, a ZX-81... They were OK. I used the ZX a few times, learned to program a little on the TRS-80, and spent quite a bit of time with the C64 doing school stuff, playing games, exploring...
But, when we got a 386, the world opened up for me. I was immediately fascinated with it, and PCs became an obsession for me. They were finally capable enough to be interesting, and we were continuously seeing a hint of the potential of the next generation.
It was an exciting time, with advancements piling on as fast as you could get used to what you already had. It was starting to seep into contemporary culture, but it was still something special for the nerds. If you found someone else who used a computer, you knew they had a baseline of savvy. Yet there WERE others using them, unlike in the 70s and 80s when it was underground at first, and then just kinda rare and obscure, and then "just for nerds."
Once we got to 2000, it was still kind of exciting, because things were still progressing quickly, and getting so remarkably powerful. But, it was also the era of consolidation, economizing, and normalizing. It got consumed by plain old capitalism instead of revolving around openness and discovery. OTOH, competition and all that.
Nice to hear the voodoo 2 cards are expensive now.
I still have my 2 diamond 12mb voodoo 2 cards all boxed up in my spare room lol
I believe Nvidia wanted 3DFX and Glide gone and also wanted the SLI patent.
It was actually a big green hea-
lol i still have
-a late 90s sony hifi separates; cd, radio, minidisc, amp and tapedeck..
-one of those cd racks neil was on about
and I use winamp on a daily basis
i don't do apple music, spotify or any streaming stuff. proper old school.
Do you get the podcast on a cd in the post?
@@TheFoggyjones i pay a little extra and get it on minidisc
@@bazza5699 Nice. I go for the vinyl option myself. But deep down, I hate vinyl.
^ This is the way to live.
I lived in Ross-on-Wye for a few years as a child 😊
Not only is it great that the new Amiga project talks PCI, but it is also the first Amiga system (AFAIK) that doesn't have a 68030-bus protocol that the 040+ needs to emulate.
my backbit tester is on the way too!
I dont think the PCI slots on the AmigaPCI are primary for running quake on an Amiga - that sounds like you misunderstood the project. But even if you only play games (HD installed) having a high res RTG workbench is kinda nice to have to administrate files and so on. Can totally understand that is something totally unrelatetable and considered non-retro or as that guy on your show said in an episode last year "whats the point of retro if you add a pi to it", this way of thinking makes perfect sense if you are only used to A500 and playing games from floppy drives (and if that is all you want to do). But RTG is kind of retro too for some people, belive it or not. And having modern access to RTG (and faster CPUs either real or emulated on a Pi) either through Zorro, PCI or RPI is great, we can finally build our top end Amiga system of our dreams however we want to. This project is one of the most exciting Amiga projects right now IMHO and you got more excited about a physical Winamp box instead, what a time to be alive LOL
Picasso 96 is retro now, lol
Ooh. I love the backbit.amazing bit of kit. Even does a ram upgrade for the VIC20. supports the beeb and Vectrex . Evie does self build adapters at a cheaper price too. I could go on all day!😂
The death knell for 3Dfx was when they became their own fab and couldn't manage it instead of staying with third party board providers.
The death knell was an unknown comeupper called Nvidia...
Ever since I heard it way back when I've wondered why anyone would want to *Kick the LLAMAS Ass*
"'80 was a world cup year". Oh dear. I can forgive Neil but surely Dave can just about remember Scotland going 1-0 up against Brazil in.... 1982.
80, 90 it's all the same in football
In Italy we remember well 1982 😁
@@jimbotron70 Rossi!!!
My fondest memories are of Musicmatch Jukebox, before one of the founding devs died (Bill Richards) and Yahoo bought out the company.
I remember Musicmatch. 👍
Where please can I buy the FTL Dungeon Master T that Dave is wearing? :-)
You both sound very chipper @ 150% speed. 👍
Re: WinAmp and "the digital disconnect" -- I see any device that is wholly independent of another device as counting as disconnected. It's as digital as CD, but CD doesn't check online for an activation server, it doesn't stream ads, and it doesn't doom-scroll. So, IMO, a WinAmp box counts.
Further, I don't think audio UIs ever got a lot better than WinAmp 2.x. In terms of no BS, just drop your files in and hit play... everything after pretty much went downhill. The only thing I could _kind of_ miss from "modern" players is the "Play Next" and "Play Later" submenus from iTunes, e.g., which allows playlist-within-a-playlist functionality. But even then, its usability is not that great, and the clean and snappy response of WinAmp (even on Pentium II era machines!!) is just so practical.
So, car head unit WinAmp? Yeah, let's go!
20:27 I had virtual pets on my desktop, from the games Dogz and Catz. I've got them in real life now. Win!
Is this PCI Amiga based on the Boxer design?
I don't find Linamp very compelling outside of being a novelty for nerds, people have been putting modded small machines in their cars, hooked up to a custom screen installed in the dash, for well over a decade now, and they usually just ran Windows and their media player of choice. This is just the same thing but refined and for indoors.
Looks good though!
Wasn't the Mediator PCI a thing since late '90s-early '00s?
I heard they wanted the SLI technology from 3DFX 🤔
57:24 The picture shows an ATX power connector on the right-hand side.
Unrelated, Kari is pronounced like Atari, not like carry 😉
Atari is pronounced like carry!
14:51 they show the "real" winamp
Iirc Nvidia wanted SLI from 3DFX
If you could find a PCI card that works and has DVI out. That's basically HDMI.
Only for RTG though. Normal graphics wouldn't come out of it
Steam needs to be bullied into doing like GOG has opted to do re: posthumous transfer of game libraries
I’m American. Tip is trash cans or something?
The tip is the dump. Where you take things you can't throw away in your weekly rubbish collection.
@@duncanstyles133 Usually they are 'recycling points' now. So you arn't supposed to take stuff.
Yeah, the Household Recycling Centre
Laura Croft life size from Tomb Raider. She would be a motivator to get up everyday!
You'd loose an eye! On those pointy mammary glands.
Think 3DFX created ray tracing
Didn't Ray Tracing play left back for Chelsea?
Wiki says "Using a computer for ray tracing to generate shaded pictures was first accomplished by Arthur Appel in 1968. Appel used ray tracing for primary visibility (determining the closest surface to the camera at each image point) by tracing a ray through each point to be shaded into the scene to identify the visible surface."
@@duncanstyles133 Didn't they just use plotters back then ?
@@belstar1128 I have no idea.
No at all.
We could render ray tracing pictures and videos with Amigas at home in the '80s, and with mainframes much earlier.
80 wasn't a world cup year. 78 was and 82 was.
We're genuinely useless. It was the Olympics in 1980! Thanks for spotting
@@ThisWeekinRetro It doesn't matter. Reason I remeber world cup years is becasue I remeber vividly chucking darts at a Panini sticker of Maradonna in 1986 after he litterally fisted us out of the world cup, he did also score a wonder goal. But when you're 8 I only remeber the cheating. If Peter Shilton could actually jump it would never of happened.
My point of reference is "italia 90", the only reason I knew who the famous fat bloke was singing in the park across the road a few years later.
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