Making Real Apple Brandy At Home
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- We already made Apple Brandy from supermarket juice. Naturally, I wanted to try it again with "real" apples. Is it better? I hope so! Is it worth the extra effort though?
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Jesse, look for calvados. It's a french apple Brandy. Some families are making this spirit for 5 generations. The time of fermentation, for acidification and future esterification, so I think, the mix of varieties of apple, and others details are awesome!!! Btw, you are awesome! Hugs from Brazil!
Thanks a bunch man and apreciate the info!!
It's from Normandy and only Normandy. They combine 4 types of apples, and it has to be some combination of the 120 types that grow innthe region and it has to have some different apples as far as sweet and tart varieties. Then I think it's aged in another liquors old casks but I could be wrong on that.
In my youth I worked with a Polish man, he made wine and Brandy from everything, I loved his Plum origin drinks, he even treated different plum varieties differently. He loved Australia, he said he had so many more fruits that he could work with. He said in Poland they had about 5 different plums, in Australia about 15 and those ripened over a much longer time. No, he wasn’t a drunk, he was a hobbyist whom everyone invited to parties, because he bough flagons of great tarting rocket fuel! You should have tasted his Mandarin Brandy, the girls loved it and got ratso on it, it was also great on ice cream!
Too cool!! What a great time!!
Slivovitz is the devil. I love brandy, but plum brandy is SUPER fiery due to its proof. There's sugary fruit that, no matter how you make it, will always make your liquor mean/ fiery. The 2 worst offenders are strawberries, and plums. I was raised polish (adopted) and Italian in chicago. Saying that They're hard drinkers, is an understatement. Here it's beer and bloody Mary's. Thank god.
Oh I'd love to taste a booze from mandarins!
I made my very first run ever a couple weeks ago (before I found your channel) and I basically did a combination of the juice run and the fresh apple run you did. I was really happy with the results! Especially with it being my first time! I love your channel by the way, keep doing what you're doing man!
I just stumbled on this channel - I am a fan - love this. Thank you.
I always distill 100% fruit mash, no juice or sugar added. I have a really nice old apple tree with very large and aromatic(almost herbal or floral in a sense) taste. If you have 100 % fruit mash you dont have to go into the heads to get the same flavor experience. And if you take straight hearts you really get that oily texture and the fresh and aromatic taste. Really amazing what you can get from apple brandy. Go and try pears and make sure you get some good pears grown for cider or wine, not the big supermarket eating pears. Your mind will be blown away with the results.
So, you just crush the apples, add some water and yeast? Do you add some kind of amylase, or other enzyme to break down the heavier starches? Thanks ahead of time.
@@CLCustom1911 I crush the apples but i do not add water. in austria we can buy a prepacked mix of yeast and enzymes (called Gärfix) specially for apples and pears at the hardware store. it contains some yeast(does not say which one), pectinase and cellulase. the cellulase breaks down the fiberous plant cells, releasing the juice so you do not have to add any liquid to the mash. the pectinase breaks down the pectin in order not to jelly up during distillation(basicly to prevent the mash to turning into jam and scortching on the bottom of the still). the mash will end up around 5-7%abv depending on the type of apples you use. also the type of apples defines the taste of the actual product at the end. if you use very aromatic apples like topaz fe. the brandy is also very intense in aroma and taste. milder apples result in a smooth, yet somewhat herbatial/floral taste and smell of the brandy.
@@sirclemeni1 fantastic! Thank you for the detailed response.
Great stuff and I love the brighter lighting 🤘🏻
Good job with the video and research. I make apple brandy every fall ( neighbor has 2200 trees-10 varieties) with fresh pressed juice. After watching this, I may tray mixing specific varieties to see what the flavor difference is. Thx Jesse.
Nice one, it amazes me how you keep delivering kick ass content
Really love the videos, keep up the good work.
Jesse another amazing video! I’ve been toying around with doing a apple juice with real apples mash. After viewing this video, it’s now a must! Thanks again for all your hard work. I have learned a lot!
Great video Jesse! 🥃❤️🥃💯 you’re absolutely right to bring them both together creating something awesome.
I have a feeling its mixing after distilling to bring them together in a not 50/50 but like a 70/30 might get best flavors, if a guy just added store apple juice and a bunch of fresh apples the freshness might get lost.
Beautiful !!!❤
Dude! Thanks for your informative video's! I'm learning a bunch! It's a complicated hobby but very interesting. Learning each day and your elaborate explanations help a lot! Thnx bro!
It's interesting to see the processes that are explored here on this channel, I make cider and meads mostly so I doubt it carries over to distillation the same but I usually recommend using vith apples and apple juice, I don't usually juice the apples and instead of using water to fill the fermenter instead i fill it with apple juice, that way you have both apple juice flavor and the fresh apples, it usually works out well for me
I agree, I only make meads and ciders but, I have found a mix of juice and fresh fruit to give me the best in terms of balancing cost, effort and taste on the final product.
That makes sense
I think you're pretty on point. Juicing the apples might result in a concentrated flavor.....but watering it back down to ferment loses whatever you might have gained. Adding apple juice to the pulverized fruit still adds whatever water is a part of the juice....but also adds flavor AND sugar that could only help after distilling. Like he said....there is a happy medium between the two.
I'd be willing to bet that if you juiced your apples and then added water for volume to fill the fermenter your mead or cider would be distinctly lacking due to the lost sugars and flavors.
Yes!! I use apples off our tree but don't juice the apples, and I have found once you have drained all the liquid off the mash and bottled it in the demijohns you can throw in some apple juice on the used mash and get a second lighter brew. First brew is usually a heady 6-8% cider and the second brew is usually a more refreshing 3-4% cider which is nice for quaffing in the garden in summer
I have just done the same. I froze ans crushed 10kg ov apples. I didnt quite get as much juice as i wanted so nipped down to the shop and got 3 3L bottles of apple juice and jsut wacked it rite in there. Will see how it goes in a few weeks after bottling. If it sucks i just plan on poring it thru the still.
Your amazing as always Jesse. I been watching and learning from you almost since the beginning, learn more every video. You even inspired me to do few vids of my own....Thank You for your knowledge my friend
Jesse is the Jedi/OB1 Canobie of distilled he’s a great distiller🥃💯🥃
Thanks Jesse for the informative video. It's all about the taste 😋. I see you used a dr gradus pot to distill your apple Brandy. Good equipment. I hope Andrei and and his team are hanging in there. Keep up the great work Jeese . There's fewer people making distilling videos so we're glad you're there. Take care down there Jesse and have a kick ass weekend!👍
What a great video- thoroughly enjoyed this one! Sometimes things are a pain in tha ass but it’s kinda a story you share with someone you’re sharing the spirit with.. it’s about the journey sometimes and not the destination and sometimes makes the drink taste better.
Thanks, maestro. Now i really want to start cutting apples....great tool btw! Thank you!
Granny Smith Apples are my favorite, I love the tart ones with a great crunch.
Interesting outcome, I can't wait to see more fruit brandy video's Jesse.
Thanks for the great content. I made a Feijoa brandy this season with a feijoa wash and blending fresh feijoas with neutral and suspending the puree above the wash in the boiler. The results were rewarding fresh and whole fruit feijoa flavours. I'd like to see what fresh apples ( or any fruit) blended with neutral and distilled without any wash could lead to..... Much appreciation for the constant quality uploads Jesse
Really enjoyed this. I learned quite a bit. Can’t wait to get me some apple brandy tasting.
jessie i have learnt alot from you please keep up the great work so i can continue to make top notch brandy i love my new hobby stay safe bro
Thanks for the apple brandy video. I have worked with apples for the last couple of years, using both commercial apple juice and fresh pressed apples. I haven’t tried freezing them, but see where that could help break down the apples and get more juice from the pressing.
My grandchildren always want some of my fresh juice, so I press extra for them. The older kids like the 5% sparkling hard cider. Last year I took a pot of the leftover pressed fresh apples, added water, and boiled it till it was similar to applesauce. I then added sugar and water to get a 1.060 OG. I strained the solids out after fermentation. The combined finished product was very good and has been on French oak for 7 months now.
Hi loving the stuff you do ,funnily enough this afternoon I've just done my lemonchello for this year and after a lot of looking I've found a lemon brandy recipe from your mate "beaver " (saves wasting them) so after a lot of carefull pealing and lots of mess I've out enough for 1 run so hopefully it turns out as good as your apple brandy 👍👍
Thank you for all the information you put out. Definitely interested in hearing more on that fortified wine from this recipe.
Oh, it’s fall where you are, it’s spring here lol great videos
Cheers Braj!
Awesome! More apple videos please.
Man, i love your toys!!!
Oh man, Jesse! I'm excited to see all of the crazy madness you are going to unleash with that fruit mangler!
Hi Jess, I've made many gallons. Red Delicious and Granny Smith equal parts. I use about 3 pounds per gallon of water an about 1 pound of sugar per gallon of water. Mash apple really good, Heat water to boiling an pour over your apples make sure your apples are very ripe. Ferment and distill
Don't push for proof but for flavor.
I really like to see you taking a subject and making several videos exploring the subject and really doing the deep dive on the various parameters we have control over. I feel like this provides far more interesting and relevant information than distilling, say, Lucky Charms, for example.
glad i fond this, i have a BIG apple tree and i just can´t use all of the apples to make apple juice, this fall i will make some apple brandy and wine :D thank you! love you´re channel and all the fun stuff you do! ps, that beard is fantastic!
Thank you so much. I was searching for someone using about 2 plattes for distilling without a stripping run. I am upgrading with a small column with about 2,5 plattes theoretically and was wondering if it will work like expected. You prooved me right!
Loved the ep we defnitly need the love child of the two methods
Nice love waking up to a new video. BTW. Did my 1st run of sugar wash and it came out amazing. I adjusted the ph to 5.2 , got the gravity right about 1.090 ish and came out about just under dry about .999.... Now I am hooked and already want to upgrade my still as I am using a tiny tiny little thing 1.5 gallons. Anyhow love the videos and the info. you share TY.👍🍺 P.S. OH yeah it ran at 84% so I was happy!!!!!
Thanks Jesse for the informative video. It's all about the taste 😋. I see you used a dr gradus pot to distill your apple Brandy. Good equipment. I hope Andrei and and his team are hanging in there. Keep up the great work Jeese . There's fewer people making distilling videos so we're glad you're there. Take care down there Jesse and have a kick ass weekend!👍
Awesome video
Now, I haven't just thrown together my very first basic sugar wash this evening. Nothing fancy. I have always wanted to be able to produce pure ethanol for my cars, I'm sure this is offensive to a lot of you. But after coming across your channel I am a convert!! Your videos are great!! I will definitely be trying a few of your recipes!
Great video bud.
I think distilling with the apple pulp using a basket in the kettle or false bottom is the key here. The fermented pulp has lots of flavor and extra alcohol. Thanks for the link to the fruit press and crusher, Jesse!
Great that you finally got the apple crusher and the press! :) and you finally did the apple brandy!
Although I used spontaneous fermentation....some cider makers from my area (which is famous for cider) use EC1118 yeast, with great results.
I'm more on the traditional way, so besides spontaneous fermentation, I leave the cider to mature at least 4 months after which makes it a bit funky but really nice for distillation. Then I do double distillation and I fully recycle the feints in the spirit run, which makes a heavier result, perfect for cask aging....now I need the casks and I'm done! :D hahah
Calvados (french apple brandy) uses a wide variety of apples....about 40, they claim it makes a more complex brandy...makes sense and in my experience it works pretty well.
Thanks Jesse! another great one! :)
Enjoyed this vid. Please keep doing what you do. I'd love to see you make and distill a Cyser (cider/mead hybrid). Loved the mead episode you did a while back, and think this would be an interesting one.
Hey man. Just came across your channel and I love the content. Keep up the good work! :)
I dont know if anyone ever told you this before but you give off kind of an "Nick Offermans Aussie cousin" vibe XD
I've found that using your favourite crispy and juicy apples in the same way you did, but add apple juice instead of water to increase the liquid content, increase the sweet flavour of the end product and ensure you get enough sugars to get a good yield. You get the more complex flavour from the fresh apples and an extra sweetness. Can make the cutting process a little more complex, with essentially two different products going through the still at once. The fresh apples might start to turn funky earlier than the juice, so it can be just as good to do the entire process twice, once with fresh apples and another with the juice, then blend the two together at whatever ratio tastes best to you. Or just mix both in completely to maximise end product, your choice.
God dang pizzer! xD Love the accent brother, and the content. Thank you!
I have fresh crushed apple juice at the store, so... When I get my hands on a still, I'll be making one of my favorite brandy!
Apple and Williams pear are my 2 absolute favorite ones!
Made alot of apple of brandy at my work in the UK.. after you have milled ferment them on skins and do pump overs until 1.000sg then press. Make it super concentrated. Very good fun. Put ours into port barrels for aging
i made some, did about 1/3 fresh apple, 1/3 store bought cider and 1/3 apple juice. seemed to be a good flavour, reasonable price and reasonable effort. was able to do a large ferment to make it more worth the time put in.
What i usually do when i make cider is to mix several apple varieties, crush them, let it sit for an hour or so and then press them and leave the juice to ferment reletively cold with the yeast naturally present on the apple skin. It would be interesting to see you try to distill a wild fermented cider, i imagine you would get some fun flavour notes atleast
Good stuff.👍🥃
Pears!! Got to try 🍐!!!
Thank you
Definitely do an ultimate apple brandy video that'd be awesome
It's literally rakija, Balkan brandy, a magical Balkan drink, we use it for everything, from drinking to medicine, we also make it from plums, apricots, and everything like that.
Just came across your channel and definitely like your content. Don't be too fussy with your apples (just not rotten). then just juice the lot, core and skins! I usually leave it a day or two then just let it ferment naturally for about 3months. Don't boil anything, don't add extra water or yeasts, just all natural. This simple way will give you a great taste, as cider or to distill!
Great video. Would be cool to see crushed apples with store apple juice fermented together. Also, as always. Please do a sports drink meme spirit
Been watching and learning for a few months now got a fervor 5gal still now I’m so addicted I built a copper still turned out a bit larger than I planned 30 gal gotta start a 12 gal now. Thanks Jesse!!!!!
Very nice video, thank you. This is one, if not the first, of my comments on CZcams, so excuse me for just commenting before reading.
I am a just starting to learn about fermenting, distilling, and aging of alcohols - all very fun stuff. In my limited knowledge, but I have found quite a nice addition of aromatics and flavor additions along with good APV to my original mash/wine by using a mixture of either local sourced apple juice/cider [if available] or good store purchased apple juice, frozen apple juice, and sugar.
The fresh juice was always the best start for any beverage and did not involve any prep work. I was able to source U.S. cider (cloudy juice) for about $6/gal (3.78 l) at a local producer. I used a good brand store purchased apple juice if a local mill was not available. The fresh juice was typically always a better flavor through the entire process and higher starting SG.
I used frozen apple in place of sugar when I wanted the higher APV but didn't just want the bite I experienced with straight sugar. I could smell the very distinct apple scent during fermentation when I added this to the fermenter. The taste profile was just as interesting over that time as well.
And I used sugar to boost my final APV as well. I really did try to keep this down and stick with natural sugar. All of those flavors come through very well.
Thank you for your channel.
Great Video. I suggest you try pear brandy for next experiment. I made it years ago with fruit, but it never fermented properly,( I think the pears were picked too early). I then tried canned Pear Juice and made a bottle of 60% brandy, which tasted similar to the Weiss stuff that was selling at Dan Murphy's at the time. I have just made a Cacao vodka, using the nibs of cacao soaked for a few days then pot distilled. It has a great aftertaste of cacao.
I make what is sometimes called turbo ciders. For my small recipe I use walmart 100% juice 2 of the 96oz, 2 cups sugar 1 white 1 brown, and ec1118. Let it sit in the bucket to ferment for 5-7 days and back sweeten 2-1 or 50/50. I dont kill the yeast right away because I bottle carb. But after 24 hours I cold crash and you have an amazing 4.5-5% carbonated cider after about 1 week.
Oh and it only costs about $7 for 3 gallons lol. I'm so glad I didn't know about this when I was younger.
Next up, fresh apple mash but with store bought juice!
That’s basically how I’ve made cider, and it turned out pretty good.
@@davidwilliams5497 I have an apple tree that came with the house I bought and haven't seen it produce, but when it does... The cider will flow! But I expect that I will need to do the same and I'm ok with that.
What about bought apple juice with chopped fresh apples mixed in?
I was wondering if you could possibly do a home distiller for plum brandy at all please😊❤
Id love to see you do an experiment around the use of different yeasts. Keep the ferment and distillation the same, change the yeast used as the variable, to see how they differ. I did the same when trying to find the best yeast to use for my cider, its crazy how different the end product is!
what yeast do you think is best for fruit fermentation and what do you think of using bread yeast or 5 star? makes sense to me for apples at least or making beer
Great video as always mate how do we get a sample hahah!
I did the mix with both Apples and juice
Came out almost the same
So then made a mash with apples and pears this came out amazing
You got to try it
So you should look into M05 yeast by Mangrove Jack. It shines with Apples and rockets off with strawberries. Of course in my case a mead recipe use. I keep it on hand for Melomel brew (Fruit Based Mead).
First time commenter short time follower, i have been interested in doing this but im only new to brewing
Love apple brandy!! Everything I do focuses on flavor rather than alcohol or abv. All steeping I don't like converting anything
Sorry.... im interested... what do you mean converting?...i steep alot of flavours also...its normally my preferred method to make differing drinks..
@@SickBoyGrrr cooking grain until it turns to starch then use enzymes to convert the starches to fermentabl sugar
@@SickBoyGrrr check out my you tube channel for how I do it
@@PoppaLongroach oh i gotcha now... i thought you were refering to flavouring rather then starch to sugar conversion..
I do alot of ciders and use Mangrove jacks cider yeast, gives the most apple flavour and a bit of sweetness.
Agreed...
Have you tried safcider yeast?
@@brendoncromwell8138 I have, its been a while and they have a few different types now. Best thing to do is split a batch of juice and try them all out against each other at once. I found champagne yeasts and those like them came out super dry and killed the apple flavour.
@@mc-zy7ju thanks for your response, I've only made a couple mangrove jacks cider kits so far. But have a black rock cider recipe coming that uses safcider yeast 😊
hi enjoyed the vidio , what was the mix for the one you liked , the coulered one !
Apple season is here again and getting a supply of apples is extremely easy if you live in an area where a lot of people have apple trees in their yards while having no use for the apples. Literally hundreds of pounds of various varieties for the cost of offering to then going and picking them.
Do you feel freezing the fruit gets better results (getting the full ABV potential) or do you think it effects the ABV and/or flavor? Thank you for your input.
I love how you describe what your tasting. I've been playing with making brandy ans find that aging wine between ferment and distilling makes a big difference in distillate flavor.
My question is about heads and aging. Do you think or know if you make some slightly headsy new make, does the headsyness fade with aging? Like you I find good strong sweet flavor in the heads that I want. I've found aging pre distilling moves those heads and tails goodness into the hearts.
Good Sir! What are your thoughts on distilling Pruno (jail wine)? Would be a fun project!
ZZ Top and a Bugs Bunny character lives on. Is this a "rock star" of distilling thing? There are many rock stars with short hair, Bruce Springsteen, Angus Young , Freddie Mercury to name a few btw. I expect to see two baby owls peeking out of that nest the next time thank you very much. Rock on Jesse!
I also made the juice version and threw some fresh apples in the boiler when you distill for the best of both worlds (and less hassle)
I always use EC-1118 to make home-made carbonated cider; it ferments out fast and clean with no peculiar off-flavours. Completely reliable.
Is it just me or did I miss the comparison / tasting notes on the store bought unaged brandy compared to the fresh apples? But in you video on the store bought stuff - i did say the SG was higher then you intially thought. Good fruit to make a brandy with and tastes just amazing as is, aged or as part of an apple pie shine - using the apple brandy instead of just neutral. And you can also add additional things like when I made one with raisens and cranberries. Great video mate!
I have a fine and coarse cheese grater attatchment with my kitchenaid, would that work enough to get the mash fine enough?
Please try aging the apple brandy on charred/toasted Applewood. Go for the ultimate!
Lost it laughing at the 4 days freedom units conversion... haha 5760 minutes, they are a different bunch after all.
JESSE !!!! help ! did this yesterday distilled 40 ltr of cider in two batches in a t500 with the alembic dome ((first time using it )) , the entire time it was at temperature and producing it was ""chuffing"" as in blowing in a repeated and rhythmic fashion from the tube the distillate came out of , the distillate came out at 20-24 c and the head temperature was 95 to 98 distillate came out at only 30% and i dont know what the cider went in at as it was given to me i never made it . can you tell me why it was blowing ? and why the end product was so low ? surley even if the cider was 1% alcohol it should still come out stronger than 30% ?
Your videos are so educational and really coax out the artist in me. I would love to be able to make spirits at home, but alas, in the U.S. the liquor industry is so powerful that I doubt our legislators would ever legalize the craft in spite of the legalization of home beer and wine making causing a boom in those industries here.
Eau De Vie is the pure spirit off the still, your back blended with the apple wine would be something like a pomona
and wood aged spirt would be calvados/apple brandy.
My friend. Everytime you post Freeedom Units, i giggle. As an American that is frustrated by not using the metric system, thanks for the laugh and the amazing videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love your work!
Awesome video, brother. I've had the suspicion that fermenting on the pulp and skins would help apple brandy have more flavor. Do you think the bright flavors were from the fresh juice, the pulp and skins in the ferment, or both?
Hello random person on a New Zealand video. If the liquor fairy were getting an 8-15gal still. (Have to flip a coin) would the fairy want a 2. ..3 or 3in sized column?
I thoroughly believe that fermenting on the skin makes a huge difference. I that with peach brandy the skin is the difference between it being a decent fruit spirit and an amazing peach spirit.
natural yeast on the skins makes great cider
Some distillers/moonshiners claim the brown rotted portions add flavor and they include them. Next time how about overripen some and include the rotten bits in the ferment? It sounds bad, but if one researches rum ferments it turns out some of those are pretty "yucky" too. Some claim these "odd" ferments provide esters that once distilled bring good flavor.
Yep I could see that having potential
That is a lot of apples to make that hey!
nice. distilling on fruit alway works great for me. but then I have a glass still and dont have to worry about scorching. will definitly consider a false bottom still if i go for a bigger boy.
Would have to agree that fresh apples will always be better. But also I think that fresh apple cider would be a better substitute than super-market apple juice. Here in Washington State, the largest apple produce of the US we have some bomb fresh apple cider that I plan on making some apple brandy. Before I invest in a fruit grinder and press. Great video, great content 👏
I’ve been wondering about a hybrid apple brandy / jack recipe.
Theory:
1- Brandy is made by distillation, and we make cuts to get the best alcohol while discarding the heads and tails that make the flavor less desirable. Basically, take the alcohol out and leave everything else behind.
2- Jack is made by freezer jacking, where we remove the water (in the form of ice) and leave everything else behind.
3- Brandy is more refined and more subtle, but also much more drinkable. Jack had more flavor, but is known to give a killer hangover.
So, my idea is to get the best of both worlds. Start by making brandy, making cuts as usual. Then take what’s left in the still, cook it down to remove the water, and blend that back into the brandy. Basically, removing the alcohol and water separately so that you can remove the heads and tails and prevent the hangover, and put it back together in the end for the best flavor and drinking experience.
I have read that jack also concentrates the methanol content (unlike distilling where that comes off in the foreshots). But jacking as a first step, followed by distillation, might work.
Also, you could do it the other way around, freeze jack the initial apple cider and then distill it, that way you can get a higher ABV yield to put into the still without adding any additional sugar.
I’m wondering how well cider apples would work for distilling. They are typically very tannic and unpleasant to eat so aren’t typically sold in supermarkets. But if distilling removes the tannins I don’t know if what makes them good for cider makes them good for distilling
More on the apple port please!!!!
Another really good video, but I wonder if you can't get fresh pressed apple juice (cider) in NZ. I frequently make hard cider but I get my juice from apple orchards that press the apples for cider makers. The orchards that press for hard cider tell you the varieties of apples they press and blend, the gravity of the juice and its pH. Cost is a little more than juice for non alcohol cider but the juice is prepared. The work is done for you. No more labor than buying bottles of apple juice.
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What volume of wash did you end up putting in the still? I must have missed it
I love the flavors that Lalvin 71B brings out of fruit fermenations. Highly recommend it!
Personally, if you go with the Lalvin strains (like Ec1118), I really like either 71B or K1V1116 for apple. 71B does things with Malic Acid too, and the K1V is just an amazing performer for fruit wines.
The additional malic acid and citric acid/vitamin C in the supermarket juice can bring forward the fruity freshness, probably the reason why the juice version tastes more apple-y fresh.
And because it tastes more fresh fruity, it can also trick us to perceive it as more sweet than it actually is. I bottled a cyser (mead with apple) a couple of days ago, I did not backsweeten it and left it bone dry (0.997), but it almost tastes semi-sweet.