Why Naruto Battles Never Lost Their Strategy (Even In The War Arc)
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- People claim that in Naruto Shippuden, especially in the War Arc, that Naruto battles lost their strategy. In fact this never happened, the Naruto battles remained highly strategical even though the power levels escalated. Madara vs 5 Kage, Guy vs Madara, Juubito vs Naruto, Sasuke, Minato, and Tobirama, Obito vs Kakashi, Naruto, Killer Bee, and Might Guy, Madara vs Hashirama among many other battles were highly strategical during the War Arc.
In this video we will analyze these battles and prove that they had a lot of strategy involved in them. Also, we will show that not every battle in Naruto part 1 had a ton of strategy either. Take Rock Lee vs Gaara for instance, that fight wasn't the peak of battle strategy by any means.
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What's the most strategic moment in Naruto?
Almost everything that Shikamaru does is a strategic moment
when Kishimoto made naruto
@@celenial6009 Technically that wasn't a moment IN Naruto
Shikamaru vs Hidan
Shikamaru vs Hiden
One of the most underrated High IQ moments that I love that not many people bring up is the Naruto vs Pain fight.....I LOVE the moment where Naruto is held by the chakra-absorbing Path, and Naruto uses that moment to simply hold still to absorb Nature Chakra, allow it to absorb that, and make it petrify! Absolutely outstanding! And then him using his Clones at the end to bolster himself against the Almighty Push??? AWESOME.
Don't worry champ Naruto is my boi too and I noticed it as well.After all both him and I are as cunning as a fox
don’t forget his smoke screen clone jutsu up high such a good fight
high*
My problem with it is that while it is great on its own, Pain kept absorbing A LOT of senjutsu before (since naruto clearly states he couldn't throw the rasenshuriken before) and he absorbed some giant rasengans from jiraya too.
It was never an issue, sure you might say that he didn't absorb AS MUCH, but it does feel a bit of a stretch
@@enkiimuto1041 move on naruto ended years ago, loser
While I agree that naruto didn't lose anything in terms of strategy, I think that what people really like is the fact that ninjas could do a lot using very little. And when they used an op ability, it usually came with some king of repercussion. Late series has none of this.
Boruto takes this to a whole other level. At least in Shippuden there was always the thought that something could be done to counter the overpowered characters. In Boruto you have characters who’s abilities can’t be countered simply because the single ability or set of abilities accessible to no more than one or two characters that will counter them hasn’t been written yet. This only happens in Shippuden once 10 tails Madara appears. This was a great take though and my exact thoughts as well. There are plenty of other series that have crazy jumps power scaling in a similar way Naruto does that don’t get any flack for it. The ideas built in part one were really cool and I liked the idea of weaker characters winning from time to time. It pushed the idea that you could turn your weaknesses to strengths in a battle which fit the themes so much better in my opinion.
@@alter6243 if you liked naruto try hunter x hunter
Yup, also blasting beams and shit like dragon ball does not look cool. Also the way the fights in the war arc were choreographed seemed like they lost this sense of foreboding that they had in the chunin arc. or Zabuza arc. The stakes are very poorly handled in Shippuden. So we're left disillusioned about the fight scenes that we got. Also, OG naruto is supposed to be much light hearted while Shippuden is supposed to be the mature version of it, so people had their expectations high on the fights having more thought put into it.
@@happilyevernever4289 the fights have a shit ton of thought put into it, the best fights in the whole series are in shippuden, and i dont underatand your point about the foreboding, care to elaborate?
@@itachi60001 how do the tides of most of the fights actually end up shifting?
It's not strategy it's usually one of the demi gods or other assorted hax being activated.
For example the haku fight. If it wasn't for the fact Naruto has a demi god inside him they'd have all died.
The fight on the bridge with 4 tails and orochimaru, orochimaru is getting absolutely bodied and non of his strategy and tactics do shit.
The pain fight, Naruto did basic strategy to take out a path of pain but how does that fight end again? Did you say the same demi god that gets every fight won pulled up? Cause that's what happens.
Sasuke fights pretend to be tactical but they aren't. Sasuke just spams the chidiri and amatarasu until the enemy stops moving.
Dadera is so nice he even blows up for him.
To reiterate: fights in Naruto generally just pretend to be tactical and strategy based but in reality they are just less obvious dragon ball fights.
To be semantic... Strategy comes BEFORE the battle, it's tactics once the battle begins. If you look at it that way, almost every fight had strategy...it just consistently proved pointless.
Eksa Stelmere I'm glad someone finally made that distinction because strategy and tactics are different.
The biggest example of strategy not being unraveled by the enemy was the Hidan fight, where Shikamaru's pre-planned STRATEGY actually works. Which is perfect for him.
@@Avarn388 You ninja'd in there before my add-on, but yeah. xD
Oh, I always thought they meant the same thing! How interesting, thanks for letting us know!!
In this context it's the same
Kidomaru vs Neji is by far the most strategic fight in the show
It’s the best jojos bizzare adventure fight that’s not in jjba
I give it to Sasuke vs. Deidara. That fight fully incorporated Kishimoto's power system that he finally hashed out in the beginning of Shippuden
No it wasn't. Lol What about Shikamaru, Kakashi, and the squad vs Kakazu and Hidan. That whole entire fight was a game of chess.
@@thewiseyounglad2699 agreed
That was the fight on some hxh shit
ok there is a clear difference between amping up. and holding back. sasuke when curse mark is released is amping up. lee dropping weights is lee no longer holding himself back which is not amping up amping up would be what lee does when he releases the gates.
Very good distinction
Idk why dygo has so low IQ, he scripts his videos so he should see when his logic is trash but he doesnt see lol
The problem I have with Obito's and Shinobi alliance's “strategy” is that there are too much unnecessary actions. For example, Tobi's declaration of war was very ambiguous. Instead of fighting in large open battlefields like a complete noob, what if he had simply started a guerrilla warfare against the villages? Gone after civilians to anger the Kages and Shinobi? Convinced smaller villages like Otokagure to join his cause? Laid siege to weaker villages? Attacked infrastructure? Infiltration of military command (espionage and sabotage)? Asymmetric warfare? Real ninja shit?
Think about it 🤷♂️ he literally has EVERY SINGLE ABLE BODIED NINJA Chunin and above from every major village gathered in one place. He can wipe out any opposition and bring Naruto to him because he knows he’d go charging in to save as many people he can instead of hiding away.
I agree. The war should've been an actual WAR between nations/villages, with some supporting Obito and others everyone else. That way, there's not this United Front and it's actually a conflict between SHINOBI, not an undead army of people
@@jaredgreathouse3672 The Akatsuki invaded every village and stole their Jinchuriki. The whole point of the summit was to address this issue. Which village would choose to side with him?
It’s not a War for resources or political conflict lol he told them his plan was to put them all under a worldwide genjutsu.
@@Binks129 it's for that reason, that's not how wars work though, especially one on such a global scale. Who tf will want to pile most if not all their forces in one place? Lol.. And in the first place, Obito didn't even need to declare war in front of the Kages, and then uniting rival villages who where already at each other's throats, especially when he's able to sneak up on Naruto and Bee and kidnap them.
@@haikazumadesu36 One who wants to wipe them out in one swell swoop… because a war as ugly as it is serves a purpose for a result that you can reap the benefits from. Like colonizing, resources, political conflict, beef between nations. A common threat.
Obito’s goal was the moon eye plan, in order to do that he needed the last 2 Jinchuriki, the 5 nations had a summit to determine what to do about the Akatsuki and what to do with Naruto since they were under the impression that Bee has already been captured.
They argue what to do with the last remaining one, whether to hide him, kill him, seal him away etc. Then Sasuke and Obito crash the party. To make things simple he simply says, give him to me 🤷♂️ I only want what’s best. Every nation other than Konoha has lost their Jinchuriki. So he simply asks, and they refuse.
They also needed Bee because they need to be sealed in proper order. That’s when Taikage calmed down and was like oh shit my brothers alive!!! Grrrr!?!?
So in order to bring them out he declares a “war” to force them to put the 2 in hiding and to gather all their battle Ready forces in a single spot.
So either 1 of 2 things will happen
A. They can kidnap an unguarded Bee and Naruto
Or B. Drag them out into the fight and capture them there.
They already know they can win 🤷♂️ so either way doesn’t matter.
Obito will get what he wants, which he does… and he completes the mission… which happens 🤷♂️
They won, just a change of heart and 2 surprise twists and a last minute villain came into play.
It's just a lack of inherent cohesion that alienates fans though. You can say there is strategy, but it doesn't always make sense. When Sasuke is given an all-powerful ninjutsu like Amaterasu but then simply doesn't use it or it is no longer as powerful for no good reason, all strategy goes out the window. It's really engaging to see how Shikamaru gets out of tough spots using his very limited but potentially powerful techniques because he has to work well with what he has. When you introduce ridiculously obliterating jutsus or some of the space-time ones, it just gets kind of silly that there even is room for strategy sometimes. Amaterasu should insta delete most things for example, even if you come up with reasons for it no to work on specific targets etc.
I thought that duck was holding a parachute kunai lol
Bro if you’ve watched Naruto you should know why sasuke can’t just spam it. Homie eyes start to bleed!!!😂. When he gets Ems he starts to spam it. Against characters who have have ways of defending themselves against it.😅
@@marquezrobinson7492 obviously I mean when he has ems, and yes it was heavily nerfed, as all things, exactly so that there can be strategy involved. It's understandable narratively but disappointing nonetheless
@@tiagodelgado1214 Sasuke uses abillities strategically as in his fight against Naruto he uses his pull move from into the Amaterasu using his kagatsuchi in a way to stab all of his clones effectively not wasting his chakra by “spamming it”.
@@marquezrobinson7492 The overly busted abilities shown in the anime waste a lot of chakra which allow characters to use these powerful techniques correctly.
The reason why it felt like no strategy was in the war arc is because raw power overcomes strategy, quickly devaluing it. That's why we don't remember all these strategies. Shikamaru vs Hidan strategy was well remembered because there is value behind the strategy, it worked. The 5 kages trying to seal Madara, executing it flawlessly, only to not work just because it's Madara and well nope, the strategy easily gets devalued and no one remembers it because it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
While I see your point in there still being strategy in the war arc, the fact that they don't matter anymore in face of overwhelming power is probably why most people can't remember them and felt like there isn't any more strategies.
Guy vs madara and the ten talls obito and madara were supposed to be extremely powerful that should have been the limit the sage of the six paths was already established unlike kagua
By raw power, I assume you mean "Madara" lol. I think you make a fair argument, but at the same time most of these situations you are referring to are likely in reference to Madara Uchiha. He is the big bad guy and was set up to be the final enemy, so it makes sense that even with smart strategies you would lose to him thanks to his sheer ability. It's not like Madara never employs strategy, either.
The characters used to use strategy because there were real stakes and repercussions behind choosing to use an OP ability. In part 2 it just seemed like they used strategy because they wanted to find the most convoluted way to win instead of just using their OP ability that has virtually no drawbacks that they conveniently forgot about
14:28 Just wanted to clear something up the reason why people don't complain about the Nine-Tails and gamabunta because they're not human. the problem with the perfect susanoo is that it being done by a human which was never seen before. it's also A uchiha exclusive ability which make it worse where as summoning Jutsu could be used by anybody.
also Tbh the perfect susanoo basically did nothing in the war it only appeared once and then it just disappeared Madara never used it again so it was kind of pointless in my opinion
EXACTLY!!!
It's fine for a creature big enough to rival mountains to be able to destroy mountains, it's another thing for a straight up human to do the same exact thing.
That's like saying it's fine for an ant to be able to push open a door just because a cat can. Very different things.
Ah, now the goalpost moved.
While I see the problem many have with this, myself included to an extent but this doesn't really have to do much with strategy and tactics
That argument falls apart when you realize 3 things.
1. Minato was shown sealing the Kyubi (effectively defeating it) chapter 1. This makes him more powerful than the Kyubi, at least in one aspect.
2. In Hokage battle royale the Kage use very strong techniques that can compare in scaling to Gamabunta and Shukaku attacks. Hiruzen is also the one to seal Orochimaru, rather than his summoning
3. Tsunade no diffs Manda, showing that the summoners are typically stronger than what they summon.
In other words, it was never sensical to assume that the strongest beings in the show would be summonings or tailed beasts when we had seen humans defeat them or seal them. Humans were always at the top of the food chain in Naruto.
Not only was Naruto disguising one of his clones as a Rasen-Shuriken, a great use of strategy and example of Narutos battle IQ, but it also DOUBLED as a great call back to when he and Sasuke used that very same strategy against Zabuza in the land of waves arc.
I never thought strategy was lost, but the Power scaling was super crazy. I feel like there was a much better way to do this then make everyone Goku power.
Like in OG Naruto, the strongest jutsu we knew, even from Adults was Chidori, and it was basic a Instant-kill Jutsu for anything other then a Jinchuriki. To get from that to Blowing up multiple fucking mountains in a single attack... Too fucking much. Made everything feel that much less impactful
I agree, like Madara was already so absurdly strong that when you put the 10 tails on top of that you kind of lose all sense of power scaling
One tails vs Gamabunta
@@nydeity9100 Yea but that was like not really their doing it was the "Monsters"
@@nydeity9100 We're talking about human ninjas not giant animals and a literal giant demon made entirely out of chakra, special chakra that is inherently stronger than regular chakra.
Just because a human could summon a dragon does not mean that human could 1v1 it and not die, let alone win
@@nydeity9100 It's the fight I hate the most in Part 1, I hate megazords in War Arc and I hate them in Part 1 too.
I don't think most people felt the series lost its strategic element, quite the opposite, what drives people mad is the powercreep, it reached the point that visually Naruto turned into DBZ with all those explosions.
Back then Kaiju type events like the ninetails destroying the village where treated with the respect akin to a natural disaster, a huge catastrophe that took the lives of thousands included the 4th Hokage(considered the strongest back then) but in the war arc Madara can just blink and spam dozens of huge susanoo clones like it's nothing, that's the type of shit people can't stand about late shippuden, not the lack of strategy.
Crazy how you just said they redrew something they already did....
Madara was already established as extremely powerful character and the final villain supposed to be powerful the saga of the six paths should have been the limit madara should have been weekend by guy and then Naruto beat him
There are literally SO many strategic fights in the war you could have mentioned too. Kakashi vs 7 ninja swordsman, Naruto piercing the third Raikage’s shield, Naruto and B vs Itachi, etc
Not sure I agree with Kakazhi vs 7 swordsman , since I don't remember that one beyond it happening. The problem with Naruto and B vs Itachi+Nagato is not that the fight is bad, I would not go as far as saying that its good either, but it has the problem of not working on an emotional lvl because all 4 are on the same side while Nagato-Itachi were also reanimations.
I do rly like the 3rd Raikage fight for sure.
Those fights don’t have the same focus on strategy as something like for example Sasuke vs Deidara or Neji vs Kidimaro though. Those fights were a chess match that goes back and forth.
In the fights you mentioned, the strategy is usually “we have one problem we gotta solve to win the fight” then one person comes up with the solution and the fights over. See the difference?
@@donovan4222 That’s lowkey a nitpicky argument. Ofc there’s going to be more strategic fights than others. That goes without saying for every battle shonen. The argument is that people are saying naruto lost its strategy based fights in the war or even Shippuden as a whole which isn’t true.
@@jaybronx98 I don’t think Shippuden as a whole lost the strategy element, some of the most strategic fights in the series happen in Shippuden…I’m talking about specifically why so many people think the war arc fights just feel different. The power scaling gets a little ridiculous after Madara shows up and the fights start to emphasize strategy less, in favor of just doing cool new Rasengan techniques and Susanoo/Amaterasu combos with Sasuke. I’m not saying it’s all bad, but they are definitely emphasizing strategy less than they did earlier in the series.
@@donovan4222 what do you mean? Kaguya is a god of strategy
Naruto also tricked Kaguya when he put the truth seeking orbs behind a clone deceiving her that it was the real one.
I'm looking forward to see how would you handle the war arc , from what i have seen you're doing a good job with the re-write series
NotAGarystu Agreed. I'll be honest; watching his rewrites reminded me how much I enjoyed the original Naruto, in spite of its problems, and Dygo's new arcs are really good and fit right at home with Kishimoto's work. In general, my hope is that the war arc is not just a giant generic Zetsu fight; that it builds upon the ideas setup in the original series: about how powerful nations' and their machinations have tremendous consequences for everyone and how the Akatsuki and the lesser villages can't stand that stuff. Because that was what I had wanted from the war; seeing the Akatsuki rally these villages, alongside the Edo Tensei and fight the alliance.
Are you guys still following the rewrite series?
As much as I love the 5 kage vs Madara fight, the fact their strategy just fails because Madara has a bigger Susanoo is something I can see people having a problem with. As a side note about Kaguya I think she’s a good idea thematically even if she was executed poorly. She should have woken up as soon as Madara used the infinite Tsukoyomi, then the rest of the fight would be Naruto and the rest vs Madara while he’s fighting her off inside his mind to try and stop her from taking over. Then the final fight between Kaguya and everyone else could have been them outsmarting a much stronger enemy.
He explains why the bigger Susanoo should not have been a problem in the video.
@@AquarianAngel I watched it but my point was that strategy lost in the end. Some people having a problem with that is reasonable
@@yeager1957 It didn't get lost in the end which he explains as well...
Yeah the susanoo and madara are some of the reasons why the 4th war sucked
@@AquarianAngel The point Yeager is making which applies to a lot of Shippuden is that it becomes a lot of asspulls.
it definetly did lose strategy since the powerscaling wouldnt allow even characters who were supposelly smart to counter some more physical stronger foes.Say Shikimaru at the end of Shippuden wouldnt have a chance against most of the main cast just because of their powerl level even though he's canonically one of the most smartest characters
That was always the case tbh, shikamaru is smarter then Orochimaru debatably but he’s never gonna beat him
@@MILDMONSTER1234an adult Shikamaru with prep time could realistically beat Orochimaru.
I could reasonably see that happening, and it would be a cool fight
Lee's strategy was amping himself (mainly his speed) in order to get past Gaara's sand and do some real damage to him. Also, Gaara's sand was protecting him at first, but once he saw that his auto block could no longer from Lee, Gaara went on the defensive. Not only did he have to use the sand armor, but he watched Lee like a hawk for the moment he could substitute himself and capitalize on Lee's weakened state. There was strategy involved in that fight, it's just harder to see because Lee's fighting style is so straight forward and Gaara's is so subtle
That's......NOT STRATEGY....That's just simply using a power-up to your disposal.....
@@TheGloryXros what is a strategy in your opinion? do you have an example of a strategic fight in the series? i mean, i don't disagree, but i am also having a hard time agreeing with you, because that's basically what it always boils down to in this series. "ah man, this opponent good. better power up real quick."
fighting (in anime) in general isn't something really strategic imho, since you're bound to acting or reacting on the spot. sure, there is something like wearing your opponent down for example. but it always boils down to who is hitting harder or faster, which then in itself would be the strategy: disable the opponent before he disables you, which from my point of view would be the "strategy" lee was going for.
@@chrissyweikoop7931 Just about all Shikamaru fights(minus the fight against the Sound Ninja)? Naruto vs Pain? Naruto, Gaara & Onoki vs Madara? Kakashi, Naruto & Guy vs Obito? Minato vs Obito? The 5 Kage vs Madara? (Kinda)
Those weren't fights where they simply outpowered the opponent, they were where they needed to use the tools within their arsenal to either gain information on their opponents & act accordingly, or to exploit weaknesses/opportunities to use abilities that seem hard to take advantage of at the moment. THAT is strategy.
@@TheGloryXros yeah those are very good examples. i agree. especially naruto vs pain was amazing in my book. i think "strategy" in itself is a hard term to nail down really, because i.e. in the pain fight, naruto had his clones prepared, and as stated in the video, threw his second clone into the air when he used the smokebomb. but for me this translates to a strategy only being available to the one who has the upper hand. i.e sasuke vs raikage. sure, that amaterasu on his susanoo sounds great, but its not a strategy per se, its just a on the spot idea, a reaction tho the raikage stomping the snot out of him. but maybe thats just me.
good examples though, thanks for the clarification. i still think much simpler strategies as in the gaara vs lee fight also count as such. maybe not from our standpoint, especially given after the later battles. but if you think about how they as ~10-12 year olds would concoct a strategy, i think its also valid. they basically are doing the polar opposite things. lee trying to oneshot the other guy, while gaara was waiting for lee to get tired.
@@chrissyweikoop7931 The term "strategy" really isn't all that loosely defined as you're saying. Like DygoKnight said, would you say Choji vs Jirobo was a strategic fight? Obviously not. There's clearly a difference.
Strategic fights require at least one of a set of things they use the tools in their arsenal to do:
1. Manipulate the situation to their favor, despite being at a power disadvantage or being restricted from using better tools in their arsenal
2. Figure out someone's strengths & weakness(es) and learn how to exploit them
3. Make use of prep time to properly counteract their opponent based off previous knowledge
I agree, the Amaterasu on Susanoo wasn't strategic. However, Sasuke vs Itachi & his setup for Kirin IS an example of Sasuke using strategy.
I feel like with the last Naruto vs sasuke fight, they both had a pretty good feel for each other’s powers. Since they knew each other that well, there was no room for a strategy that would ultimately fail against each other. Either that or they were using strategies that countered each other and eventually realized that they just gotta do whatever they gotta do to win.
I had a theory they both were tired and had Decision fatigue. By the way sasuke just throws attacks and kinda fights "by reflex" also his mind was in itachi and his plan to just become "new dictator". Also his resolve was conflicted his mind was 100% off the fight. That's why naruto won him in the fight and in resolve
@@GabrielAraujo-qm3hc I hadn't found a reason behind that yet, so I'm gonna use your reasoning in my head canon now :)
Sasuke mainly in that fight was using strategy. In the anime version of the fight when they were having their taijutsu sequence if you noticed, Sasuke just didn't allow Naruto to pull off the shadow clone jutsu for a while. He used his fire ball jutsu as a diversion to teleport behind him which did catch Naruto off guard. And he was siphoning chakra from the tailed beasts and Naruto. The creator of this video is just blatantly wrong when he says Sasuke would win with relative ease had he used strategy, Naruto was just way more powerful than Sasuke.
@@hightetrisbeatboxrevived1648 yes, I mentioned that in other comments, however his strategies on that fight aren't nearly as developed as other fights he had.
I'm not saying sasuke SHOULD won that fight, as I do believe naruto to be stronger than him. But I do believe both of them could've won easier. If they were more careful and didn't spend their chakra in some dbz-like jutsu clash, Twice. The last clash (when they're almost out of chakra and lose their arms) is okay tho, as its simbolic of their first fight. But the indra Arrow vs Rasenshuriken i just thought it was dumb as fuck.
@@GabrielAraujo-qm3hc I mean for one: Sasuke just couldn't have won that fight. There was no way he was ever going to cuz Naruto was holding back. And like I just mentioned Naruto was holding back, as to not kill Sasuke. Sasuke even acknowledged this and questioned why Naruto was doing it. Also fighting smartly is using your arsenal to it's best ability so for the Indras Arrow vs Rasenshuriken thing: obviously Sasuke was going to want to hit Naruto with his strongest jutsu and obviously Naruto was going to attempt to cancel out that jutsu (two jutsus with equal power cancel out). That isn't an insane Shikamaru level strategy or something but it is a strategy. Other than that I generally agree with you.
I have three fights that swap between being my favourite (Naruto Vs Pain, Lee Vs Gaara and Kakashi Vs Obito) but Kakashi vs Obitos choreography and the way it tells its story is unmatched in my opinion.
One thing I really liked in the Naruto Vs Sasuke fight was how near the beginning Sasuke stopped Naruto from using his hand signs to (I presume) summon his shadow clones, its subtle so is easily missed if you're not really paying attention
Problem is powercreep not lack of strategy alone till war arc
Afterwar arc all gose out of window and kishimoto is definitely on weeds
I loved the video and your content! I have a few notes tho:
I think that to say that the war arc lost strategy entirely is wrong, but the strategic aspect was far less important in that era of the show. Before the war arc, there were countless examples of a fight where the strongest fighter lost because the other fighter was able to use strategy to determine their weaknesses (ex nature vs pain, Any shikamaru fight, team 7 vs zabuza). That aspect was completely forgotten about in the war arc. Sure there is strategy, but you did cherry pick all the best examples. Where was the strategy in all the pre Madara war fights? It didn't exist. Also, it's frustrating that in the war arc, the winners of fights were usually whoever had the best magic eyeball, not the smartest character.
The fight against Haku and Zabuza, The fight against Sasori, Naruto vs 3rd Raikage, Oonoki and Gaara vs 2nd Mizukage, Naruto vs 2nd Tsuchikage, Asuma vs his pupils, the fight against Ginkaku and Kinkaku. I think there is plenty of strategy and/or tactics in these fights. The Nagato fight also has some tactical elements, although it was ultimately won through combined strength
I’d say some of these examples don’t count as strategy in any meaningful way. But there is definitely more strategy in the later series than a lot of people give it credit for.
this guy always talks the ways Sasuke could've won his last fight against Naruto but he doesn't talk how much Naruto could've used to win that fight and I wonder why
Kakashi v Obito in the Kamui dimension arguably has the best choreography out of any battle in the anime and it was one of the last fights.
So yes lol
@Mango Makaveli It also is a good example of visual storytelling. You can show that fight to anyone who has no frame of reference about Naruto and they'd get the context of Obito and Kakashi; two friends/ rivals now enemies. Also, the music choice was fantastic for that fight, alongside some slick editing.
Explained:
Obito not only matched Kakashis legendary fighting style perfectly but he led Kakashi to an emotional conflict by letting him pierce his chest with a lightning blade just like Rin.
This was primarily intended destroy the curse tag in his heart so Obito could have complete freewill and become the Juubi Jinchuriki.
It was also supposed to have the secondary affect of throwing Kakashi off emotionally and affecting his moral, breaking Kakashi and justifying Obito even more so in his belief that this world is only pain, suffering and futility. Allowing Obito to defeat him once and for all, not just in combat but in ideology too.
Considering Kakashi was his last link to his old self (excluding Naruto). This would let Obito complete his plan with less immediate guilt & distraction and even proof of his claim that this world is rotten.
So pretty big brained, in theory.
But you might just think I’m reaching and it’s irrelevant since it didn’t allow him to complete that plan.
@@Avarn388 I swear to god. It was just *cheffs kiss*
Honestly top 5 moments and battles in the series for me.
One of the better animated fights too.
In Lee vs Gaara, Lee figured out he needed to separate Gears from his Sand.
Gaara kept Lee at bay by having an orthodox defensive layer and the using hardened goard as a last means of defense against Lee's onslaught.
There were tactics present.
I always felt like out of the quote "big three" Naruto always had the best fights from a tactics standpoint. Sure, I enjoyed the spectacle of Bleach a lot more and the zaniness of One Piece. But Naruto always had that great blend of tactics. Sure, aesthetically, I never liked how it leaned too far into Kekkei Genkai, Bijuu stuff, but I'll give Kishimoto credit in that the fights themselves still had that edge of tactical know-how, where it wasn't just ungabunga, DBZ spectacle. A great example of this was Naruto vs Pain with the Shadow clones. A really clever bit of payoff with regards to the rules of Shadow Clones and also a pretty badass way to showcase how Naruto managed to surpass Jiraiya in Sage Mode while also being a badass to boot.
Sasuke vs danzo was probably the last fight I would consider strategic or tactical, most of the war was just pulling power ups and surfing against Madara.
@@justinarzola4584 I'd partially agree with that. Namely, it's the abilities Kishimoto kept gaving the Uchiha, like Kotomatsuki, and Izanami, which irritated me. The Sharingan and Magenkyo Sharingan were already highly capable, but Kishimoto felt like that was never enough. Brandon Sanderson, one of my favorite fantasy writers had laws for magic, and one of them was that expand what you already have before you add something new. Kishimoto had tepidly did this with say Blaze release with Amatarasu, but then just abandoned that.
It's really disappointing and shows that he clearly was either bum rushing Naruto to its finish or because of merchandising rights. Regardless, I still do like a lot of the fights in Naruto, even the lesser ones from the War arc.
@@justinarzola4584 Did you even watch the video?
@@Avarn388 I thought blaze release was a cool idea, Sasuke could make a shield around him with Amaterasu and could make weapons out of it
Most consistent narutuber I hope your subs blow up bro
I feel like it's the scale of things, not the strategy or lack thereof that was the problem. Early on, Amaterasu was a terrifying ability that only a "villain" had. By the end of it, Naruto gets stabbed by Sasuke's version of it and he's somehow fine. That might've just been an accident by Kishimoto, but still.
Things just escalated to an insane degree. And I feel like to some degree Perfect Susanoo and the tailed-beasts/summons are a false equivalence. One is a technique, the others are beings with minds of their own separate from shinobi. In terms of physical size, sure, but that's it...
Fights felt more personal and didn't have the feel or aura of being larger than life from, in my opinion, kishimoto's peak in part 1 OG Naruto.
I didn't need all this to enjoy the fight between Sasuke and Orochimaru in the Chunin exams, or even nejis fight in the Sasuke retrieval ark. The show couldve ended at that ark for me.
Bro the strategy was get gud kid
Most people don't care about strategy. What they are trying to say, is they want the fights to be tense. That's all stories are, right? Problems and resolutions to those problems.
Gaara vs. Lee. Sasuke vs Gaara. Little strategy involved. But who cares? Lee had a great character showing, and Sasuke fought nobly against Gaara even though he wouldn't win. Why are these fights okay, though? Well for one, Gaara is still a wild card. We knew he was some kind of monster, but we hadn't seen the extent of his powers. What's more, we figured that Sasuke (to a degree) was up to the task of taking Gaara down. Moreover, it showcased their GROWTH. Little strategy. But, tense fights because the battles felt fair. Naruto didn't need an Izanami level asspull or some random powerup to beat Gaara. He and Gamabunta did so just fine. Same with Sound 4 fights. While these do indeed have some elements of strategy, this is not what makes them good fights. It's that we thought neji, Lee, gaara, choji and Kiba could've literally died in that arc. The fights weren't just strategical, they were genin fighting to the bitter end, using every ounce of their strength to succeed against WORTHY opponents.
Now do you see? It isn't strategy people want. People want consistency. They want the fights to make sense. When Madara just undoes ET or flies (literally) and takes Kakashi's eye like he's superman, or when Guy survives the Gates or when other stuff like this happen, people aren't missing strategy. They're missing the fights making sense and being fair and grounded in what we already know about the characters involved.
Strategical counter please
I had an idea for a what-if fight: Sage Hashirama and EMS Madara (both are in their prime) vs Juubito, imagine a hypothetical Majestic Attire Thousand Arm Buddha Statue throwing hands with a Ten Tail Jinchuriki on the battlefield.
Video idea: the seven ninja Swordsmen are wasted potential
I'm surprised you didn't mention Naruto's first strategy against Kaguya... His Sexy Reverse Harem Jutsu. I personally think that was the most brilliant strategy in the entire series. And made me finally like some of Naruto's character and realize why he's the protagonist. It was such a full circle moment. The only Jutsu that Naruto was ever good at his lowest skill level, a Jutsu that he was constantly berated or made fun of for using, a Jutsu that doesn't seem to have any combat value.... And it was that jutsu that was able to catch the most powerful character off guard for the first time and almost saved the world. And honestly, literally no other character would have ever thought of that.
Wow this is a very strategical video about strategical battles that were still strategical in the strategical series of Naruto!!!.... Strategical
I know.... I agree with his point, but he's the wrong voice for this argument
❤ good show mate
I think this video may need to distinguish between strategy and tactics a bit..
Oxford's dictionary definition of tactic: an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end.
The problem is that you can’t pick and choose when you wanna bring this point up because strategy is in the eye of the beholder from OG Naruto all the way to Boruto you get fights with strategy and hand signs ( and don’t say characters in boruto don’t use hand signs that’s just a flat out lie ) and you get fights where people just slug it out till someone wins
My best example is garra vs rock lee one of the all time great fights in Naruto that has zero strategy it was simply the old method of unstoppable force vs immovable object and ultimately garras defense worked out in the end but Then you have saskue vs deidera which was text book ninja strategies at its finest
In boruto you’ll have a Naruto vs ishikki fight which is just taijutsu to the max but you also get team 7 and kawaki vs boro which showed team work and ninja arts at its best
Naruto offers a variety of skills and fighting styles so it’s all about perspective and personal taste to me
What good is strategy when the enemy can nuke you with meteroids and has endless regeneration and chakra?
btw. I have every single instance of Susano not only the 'perfect' one - this is so uncompatible with the Sharingan theme of the Uchiha.
Most other things are somewhat relatable to eyes - better seeing, predicting movement, analysing Chakra, copying jutsus, genjutsus - even Kamui and Amaterasu are related to vision.
Susano: now I am a puppet muster of a chacra entity I summon by doing nothing except think about it
I agree with your point, there are many strategical battles in naruto but for me at least that's not the main problem. The main problem is how the power scale blows up without little to no explanations and also very rapidly, you can see this from naruto training for a whole arc to get the rasenshuriken done and then in the war arc he suddenly could use 100 variants without any apparently effort.
In my opinion, so many gifted power ups along with poor explanations about their origins make the war arc the most controversial one in naruto.
momoshiki vs Naruto and Sasuke Uchiha fight was rather awesome
I agree with you to a certain extent but when Madara took down mountains like a tailed beasts, it broke the system
The system was broken once bijuu bombs and Susanoo was brought in
@@NeonForceGetsuga nah just midway into shippuden
Not really, episode 1 we see kurama destroying moutains and forests with its tails. Hiruzen is also literally narrating saying so. Not to mention gamabunta and shukaku destroyed the whole forest during their chunin exams fight, gaara turned an entire grassy plain/forest into a desert with 1 jutsu, temari destroyed an ENTIRE forest with one fan swing that killed tayuya. All of these things happened in part 1.
@@jaybronx98 Gamabunta vs Shukaku is the fight I hate the most in Part 1 of Naruto and it's precisely because of the power scaling, and I hate megazords in Naruto. I hate Kaiju battles throughout the series, whether it's Part 1 or War Arc, they are all the fights I hate the most within the series.
In Naruto part 1 jutsus had limitations, Kakashi for example could only use Chidori 5 times a day, Gaara after making a tsunami of sand is completely exhausted, I can even forgive more destructive techniques as long as it has clear limitations, like for example only being able to use it once a day, but that is clearly not what happened.
War Arc characters are spamming bijuus that destroy mountains and countries, and Kurama destroying mountains at the beginning of the series is not an argument for how ridiculous the power scaling was at the end of Naruto, yes Kurama destroyed mountains, but he was not human, and it took the most powerful ninja in Konoha history (before the retcon) to sacrifice himself not to defeat, but to seal Kurama.
Madara, Hashirama, Otsutsuki, all that should never have happened the way it did. And Kurama is not shown destroying mountains, it is said to destroy mountains, and it should have just stayed at that, the story of him destroying mountains should just be a story, Kishimoto should never have introduced the Nine-Tails actually doing that, and if Kishimoto really wanted the Nine-Tails destroying some mountain, that at least puts it being some extremely OP technique that he can only use once a day, don't spam around like it's a machine gun.
@@Oblivion___ this is such a nitpick essay😂 and I don’t rmm asking what u hate about the show bruh. Also kurama not being human makes his feats ok? But not naruto summoning a being that can do the same shit in the chunin exams? Not the sannin being able to summon their kaijus? Flawed logic. And the only characters in the war destroying countries were the 10tails, 10tails jinchuriki or bijuu amped attacks which also aren’t human if we go by your logic.
And even in the final battle, naruto and sasuke couldn’t kill kaguya they had to seal her if we go by your sealing kurama logic as well. Power cliffing happens in almost every shonen. Bleach one piece dbz hxh black clover etc the final villains are supposed to be stronger than anyone we’ve seen in the series otherwise they’re not intimidating.
Weird comment...but I love the background music. It's subtle,and calming,with almost an analytical sense to it. So many creators over do it with crazy music,and high volume. Under appreciated touch 💯
The only thing i truly dislike about naruto fights is just how many of them end with sudden power ups. Some people really loved every time naruto turned into the 9 tails to beat up his opponent but I always just sighed. Naruto turning into the nine tails to beat pain felt like it stole narutos victory, it felt like pain won and then was promptly cheated out of that victory because naruto had the nine tails. Every time naruto should have lost by his own merits he's saved by the giga fox. Naruto literally gets killed by madara, and is promptly revived shortly after. The series basically sets it up so that naruto can never lose and thus every fight loses some tension because why would you ever worry about him winning or not? if he's on the brink of losing the literal god of the manga will come back to reality to give him a huge power boost.
Naruto's fight as MC, almost never have tension, but the supporting characters always have awesome fights and strategy because their plot armor is way thinner. The story is structured as classic Shonen especially the 2nd half of a Shonen series where most fight are supporting characters stalling for the MCs power up.
It didn't feel like pain won. Pain won. Sage Mode Naruto was nowhere near powerful enough to box with a TIRED pain, and needed 8 tails to save him. You're right, it loses tension. Like think about the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. It was a LEGITIMATE question about if Neji, Choji, Kiba, or Lee would survive. People legit didn't know if they were going to leave alive.
That sense of tension comes from the opponents being very tough, but right for the characters and therefore fair. There didn't need to be an Izanami asspull or "reverse the signs for edo tensei", the characters slugged it out using their best and the chips fell where they did. I mean, imagine Gaara pulling it some new ability that just mercs Kimmimaro. It would've felt so tame because there was never any threat! In Shippuden, lots of fights (not all of them!, but many) have asspulls or random powers that came from nowhere which are broken
You must really hate Bleach then.
@@gig7932 I have a very love hate relationship with bleach
@@bobowon5450 honestly I've learned to love Bleach by not taking it as seriously as other series. I see it as just dumb fun.
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@@DygoKnight 💀💀💀 por essa eu não esperava, essa voz é sua msm?
Not that I disagree with your whole video but I think the Rock-lee vs Gaara thing was a bad take. The point of the whole fight was specifically to contrast rock-lee, who has nothing but hard work and taijutsu, with Gaara who was given immense power at birth and doesn't need do anything (even move). I think people are forgiving of that fight because we know that, with his limitations, Rock-lee can only punch harder and move faster (which was still a losing strategy in the end).
the problem is that as the series power ceiling got so high, strategy in general became less effective.
in part 1, and even up to the end of the pain arc, side characters like shikamaru, kakashi, etc, even when outmatched could still pull wins or at least help out a lot by just being really smart with their strategies. shikamaru outplayed hidan despite his immortality, hebi sasuke outplayed deidara despite his op AOE attacks, kid neji outplayed kidomaru despite being massively outranged, and sage jiraiya/sage naruto outplayed pain multiple times with frog song, smoke bomb rasenshurikens, etc.
The real problem is that, especially during the war arc, main characters/villains got so powerful strategy didnt matter unless you were in the same hax tier. one six path characters, or even edo madara tier characters got introduced, a alot of characters just had nothing they could do to be useful anymore.
how is someone who isnt guy, naruto, sasuke, kakashi, or one of the edo kage supposed to do literally anything against truth seeker orbs, durability that just ignores jutsu, speed hax , etc etc
we say it turned into dbz battles because if you dont get the arc's amp, youre useless. if you werent a super saiyan during the cell saga, you were useless, no matter what your genius strategy was. if you werent an edo madara+ tier in the war arc, you were useless no matter how smart your strategy was. this only got worse in boruto, where even the other 4 kage are fodder compared to naruto
something like the sasuke retrieval arc, akatsuki suppression arc, forest of death arc, etc cant happen in late shippuden or boruto, because there's not enough useful characters left to write arc like that
Those aren’t problems, those are all nitpicks. Every shinobi has an advantage to do something. Shikamaru has his intellect, guy his taijutsu, kakashi his ninjutsu etc. You’re using this weird argument on how side characters can’t participate against the final villain of the series (when they were: kakashi, guy, bee, the 5 kage and the edo hokage)
Even the minor characters were relevant in the war. Choji fought the gedo statue, tenten helped defeat edo kakuzu with the six paths tools, Ino used mind transfer on OBITO which is already crazy enough for someone like her, inoshikacho teamwork in the war, lee kicked edo madara in half, Darui sealed ginkaku and kinkaku, Temari blew Madara away with her wind psyche jutsu, even in the fight against juubito naruto gave them all a cloak and a rasengan to work together.
Everyone in the war played their part, some more minor than others but regardless it seems silly to expect minor characters to be on par with the final villains.
Shikamaru also won cause hidan is trash lol
This is completely true!!!!! The Sound 4 fights aren't my favorite in the series, but you're totally right, they felt like intense, mighty battles because the characters were "useful". Choji vs Jirobo felt like a fair, evenly matched fight where either could kill the other (or at least, both would die). This feeling comes from the relativity of the characters to one another. Imagine if Kakuzu was an opponent that Kiba and Neji fought instead of who they did fight. The obit way for them to win in this scenario would be to gift them Godly powers that have so far been hidden, because Kakuzu would pound them in 2 seconds. In other words, no tension, the two characters just get pounded, and any victory they would have would feel hollow. At the end of Sasuke retrieval, you see how Choji, Lee, Gaara and especially Neji have GROWN so much since we've first met them. You don't really get that same feeling with as much of the late Shippuden fights
@@jaybronx98 ill admit that side characters put in work up to partway through the war arc, but starting from around juubito's introduction, only naruto, sasuke, and a small handful of others in the ENTIRE VERSE mattered anymore
and like i said, this has only gotten worse over time, with naruto and sasuke being the only 2 important characters in the verse when boruto began, and the current arcs making only boruto and kawaki worth anything.
if you like the current state of the show then fine, but powerscaling has no doubt hurt the writing when you can count the number of people able to do anything about the villain on 1 hand
@@southpen4558 I don’t watch boruto so I won’t speak on that but I’m specifically talking about the war and the relevancy of the side characters. And also, the way they beat juubito, it was a tug of war to take the tailed beasts chakra out of him and the konoha 11, edo hokage, kakashi guy and bee were all involved in beating him not just naruto and sasuke. They were also fighting the mini 10tails army and they were assisting in fighting juubito before the tug of war too. And once 10tails madara showed up, that’s when guy kakashi bee and the edo hokage were trying to hold their own until naruto and sasuke got six paths power. So even for the 2 final villains naruto and sasuke didn’t do it on their own.
What else would you have expected from the alliance? It took a small army to take the 10tails out of obito and prior, they were doing what I had already mentioned in my last message, they played their part.
And I didn’t even want a spin-off tbh. It should’ve just ended with a timeskip of naruto becoming hokage. Even if they wanted boruto, they should’ve just kept it as a movie cause it was pretty good unlike the anime. Plus in the movie, Sakura and Temari played their part in saving the civilians in the chunin exams and the 4 other hokage teamed up against kinshiki while naruto/sasuke fought momoshiki. If the series would’ve ended in that movie, there’d be no issues imo. Naruto/Sasuke would remain strongest in the verse and there’d be no more power creep.
the most impressive thing naruto did in the pain fight or the entire series really was the reverse summoning jutsu to bring his shadow clone over to refill his sage mode, that was so good.
The thing i hate most about naruto fights is that all the most powerful people jist come from powerful clans. In og naruto people like shikimaru rock lee and shino were strong but didnt come from op clans
Shino was op that why kishimoto stopped using him
Even the side fights with all the sealing they had to do after the edo tensei during the war arch. Each fight had to be taken care of tactically with those specialized revived fighters with UNLIMITED chakra. Naruto was amazing all the way until the end. Madara should’ve been the end boss without Hagaromo needing to give them godly powers.
Was waiting for you to use "stagegery"
15:24 by this point, in context, the "strategies" are observably less smart than those that came before it
Oh hashirama reflects the tailed best bomb using wood hands? intelligent strategy. What? Madara blocks? Oh he’s so smart
Kishimoto just build different. Yeah other manga also have strategies but naruto makes them visual and more entertaining instead of " if I move my arm towards his head with a speed of 3 km/h he will notice I have my foot in my his head"
Cool video, btw Can you make a video abou all naruto retcons , because I like the way when u talked before about tailed beasts and minato , can you make a long video about all naruto retcons it will be awsome
2:19 that's so disingenuous of you.
Gaara literally uses a substitution to help him win the fight.
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1:30 the more immediateproblem was that by the end of it, strategy just flat out didnt matter, it was entirely about who had the bettergenetics/buffs/inherited powers....in a show that established earlier than raw talent alone wasnt enough....
Dygo misses the point again...
The complaint about strategy is deeply rooted in the audience wanting characters to trade repercussions or sacrifice something to gain some power or solution
Lee powered up against gaara but it had a price ,same for Naruto those moments had some emotional pay off
A trade IS a strategy especially if it's emotionally expensive.. its more like fighting an INTERNAL battle
War arc has too many gains of power without any repercussions
Remember: even Dragonball only became nonsensical explosions where the bigger power up wins toward it's end...
lmfao that dorime rat dance wtf was that lol
I strongly disagree on your take about Sasuke not using strategy against Naruto.The only reason why I say Sasuke couldn't beat Naruto was because Sasuke got the shot end of the stick.And sure you can argue that Sasuke has a sharingan mixed in with his rinnegan.That doesn't exactly make much of a difference against a Teen who's chakra nature is literally Wind(an element stronger than Lightning in canon) as well as a Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu that can leave you confused and distraught.That can not only has the same Physique as the original host but also independent thinking of their own despite them being Naruto's clones,Plus Naruto can regenerate and has a protective layer with his cloak that can negate blunt or elemental attacks considering that he has five chakra natures and the durability to survive getting blown up by his own chakra.
Damn this is long but I think I made my point.Sasukes abilities are overpowered but against an opponent who has counters for his abilities,Yeah No
Naruto almost easily wins
No sasuke wouldn’t won the fight.
At this point he only had Deva Path, Genjutsu is ineffective as kurama would’ve dispelled it, and Naruto was holding back…
No way to cut it, Sasuke lost
P.S: Sasuke did use strategy and that was when he realized that he was outmatched by Naruto so that's why Sasuke needed to absorb all of the tailed beasts chakra just so he can have an advantage against Naruto in terms of Power and Destructive Capacity making him "The strongest Shinobi in the World" as mentioned. Soooo
He wasn't outmatched though he was stalemating Naruto so he decided to turn the tides with some of the Biju chakra, then Naruto absorbed the nature chakra to catch up and they stalemated again.
@CHEESE BURGER FREDDY the Thing is Sasuke was trying to kill Naruto but Naruto couldn't kill him even if he wanted to do so because the rinnegan was needed to stop the infinite tsukoyomi. Naruto was going easy and on the defensive while Sasuke was bloodlusted trying to kill on the offensive, Sasuke could tell Naruto was going easy on him and trying not to kill him so he did that to edge out that power gap.
I would define the strategy as tactics instead, with a few exeptions. If people in Naruto were actually stratigic then almost all fights could never happen.
The definition of "tactic" according to the Oxford Dictionary: an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end.
@DygoKnight a tactic is a stort term plan or method of carrying out a strategy. For example, if you do this, I do this to counter, outmanuver, or whatever. In most Naruto fights, from what I recall, they only ever think 1 to several moves ahead, if that. Which is what I consider using tactics as a strategy rather than using tactics to pull off a strategy.
A strategy is when you plan out a series of events to the desired conclusion. It's a long-term plan. Think Shikimaru vs Hidan. He had the end game planned out, the bombs and pit and everything, then used tactics to get there, controlling the fight start to finish.
In other words, "While strategy is the action plan that takes you where you want to go, the tactics are the individual steps and actions that will get you there."
"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
- Sun Tzu
Diedara vs Sasuke is a perfect example of this.
@@DygoKnight
There's a small problem. When you go beyond the oxford dictionary, practically all sources being they military, historical, etymological do differentiate strategy and tactics.
Both are linked, yes, but they're not the same, not even synonyms, really.
I don't think the blasts of energy were a problem per se. Rock Lee vs Gaara is a ideological debate with fists, which is incredible and it doesn't need the other clever stuff we've seen in Shikamaru fights. The problem is plot shield and no consequences to actions which would got you killed if you were a normal character. The problem is saying "look at this world, it's so structured and well-thought" and then Sasuke surviving an atomic bomb because well, he's the main antagonist basically. I've always hated Sasuke for that reason. At least Naruto had an intelligent device to keep him out of trouble, the Kyuubi, which is also a good excuse for endless chakra. I don't think people were mad with the anime later on because of how weird or explosive things got, it's just madly inconsistent and illogical within the same rules we had been believing for the whole time.
I think you've lost the point of the criticism. Yes there's still attack/counterattack etc, but we are talking TELEPORTATION, truth seeking orbs that annihilate whatever they touch, giant impenetrable armors, etc. OFC there will be counters, otherwise it wouldn't be a fight, but the issue is that we went from people punching each other and whatnot to landscape altering planet busting moves.
I think you've lost the point of the video, because saying the powercreep got too much is a different thing from saying that the series has lost its strategy
rock lee had strategy; we just weren't fast enough to see it
The war arc naruto had so much plot armor everywhere
The final Naruto vs Sasuke was the way it was for a reason. Naruto and Sasuke can't use strategy against each other because they're both hard counters to each other.
1. Sasuke can't place Naruto under genjutsu because Kurama will immediately snap him out of it.
2. Sasuke can't catch Naruto by surprise with any attacks because Naruto can sense the Chakra of even beings in the 4th dimension of limbo.
Sasuke had no choice, but to overpower Naruto.
when i first heard tiis complaint about Naruto, it was before i even got to Shippuden. so i kept searching for this xlack of strategy to an almost obsessive level, and i just could never find it
Naruto loses more and more strategy as time goes on. It just tries to hard to be dragon ball even when it was still having great fights on its own.
Great video to prove people wrong about the loss of strategy.. but i do hope that deidara bit was an exaggeration when you said 10 tails level blast and the strongest jutsu. Because the meteor drop and several feats onward outclass the deidara feat
Look idk if you do your own editing or if someone else does it but it kinda goes hard. Good shit lol
Killing it with the content man keep it up 👌🏾💪🏾
Naruto really derailed in Chapter 1, when they introduced those god-level kaiju battles.
Nahh in the last fight there was still strategy, sasuke realizing naruto managed to recover chakra and going to absorb it, then the chidori and then the aolit second decisiom where naruto realized that sasuke didnt have enough chakra for sharingan, that was amazing and its my favorite fight in the anime.
i’m constantly checking this channel for the rewrite
6:19 hahahahahahaha that’s very funny.
I think us Anime fans in general get pretty emotional about our headcanons and opinions. But Naruto for me at least gets especially emotional.
I think it's because Naruto is an amalgam of really good and really bad stuff coming together. You see so much potential being wasted left and right but it still competes with the likes of One Piece and FMA. It's hilarious and infuriating all at once. 😆 The rewrite series is making me realize that even more.
i completely agree with the closing statement, it's really just thise 2 god awful things that keep Naruto from being universally accepted as legendary
Kakashi+Gai+Naruto vs Obito was underrated. it had ninja tools even that late in the game, a cool team, and strategies.
But Hanibal blundered thousands of troops crossing the alps. Therefore your whole argument is invalid.
In all honesty tho, I think we, who complains about the whole war arc, actually meant the jutsus got boring. I mean, look Kankuro vs Shino, those two characters aren't important to the plot, but the fight was a nice treat to the audience, i doubt someone reading this is thinking "who is Kankuro and Shino again?" No, you're thinking "Oh yeah, insects vs puppetry. I l0ove that fight. We have ninja weapons, we learn two different ways to approach battle. A victory is measured by or stab the enemy, or the bugs catching it's prey there is no will of fire here, if one of them lands its attack (unless somehow your father is there, but my point remains), it's over. I think is sad that only the heavy hitters can be great in naruto universe.
4:33 hahahahahaha that funny.
The problem was the power creep. That is one of my main criticisms against DBZ, and when I started watching Naruto I was hoping Naruto would do best. Unfortunately, after Pain assalt almost nothing worked. The War was just a horrible arc, full of explosions, White Zetsu, and Edo Tensei is just pointless, infinite chakra? Where does this chrakra come from? And the most important point: the storytelling is bad, so maybe that's why people complain about the loss of strategy. In the end it was so convoluted, with God-tier abilities, and it looks like no strategy.
All of shikamaru's fights are plot hole.
Sometimes I feel like people hate the war arc far too much people say the entire arc was bad
But the war arc was pretty good until Kaguya and the ending that ruined it
That's why I always said Naruto in all honesty shouldn't have ended and just should have had a part 3 with a 5 year timeskip
The Rainbow Mario Man I don't know; the war arc had some lost opportunities. For example, Gaara speech was a neat idea but the concept that all the Ninja's would be able to just cooperate based on words, it's a stretch. I think what would have been neat is you have that speech but we could have seen a team of Shinobi still struggling to work alongside one another, even with the Zetsu army/ Akatsuki down upon them. I also think having the Zetsu army was really lame. One of the things I really liked about the Pain arc was the idea that the Five great nations were fighting these endless wars and these smaller villages were caught up in them, much like our world. It's why Nagato founded the Akatsuki and wanted to go through with his plan. A part of me was really hoping that the War arc could have been with the Akatsuki, uniting these smaller nations together to fight against the Five. I think that would have led the final arc to have been better in that it isn't just a generic zombie fight. Heck, you can even keep the Edo Tensei and Madara and throw in the Infinite Tsukiyomi stuff.
All in all, the war arc in Naruto has its high and low points, but Kaguya for me really dragged it down in that came off as a cop out of Kishimoto. At least, the final fight against Naruto and Sasuke was good and Kakashi vs Obito was good.
kaguya wasnt the ending of the show? it was sasuke vs naruto. also kaguya was needed to wrap up the story.
15:07 the difference though is the 9 tailed fox and the giant frog Gamabunta are like mythical creatures/animals that are treated as a natural part of the world. The Susano is a giant energy humanoid monster that mimics the attack of the user like a mecha. I don't mind Susano and think it still works in the lore, but I can see where the Mecha argument comes from
kaguya annd zentsu was planned since the beginning, thats one thing most dont realize....zetsu even showed up to watch the first naruto v sasuke fight at the valley,....yes back when they were kids....its not a retcon if they planned it from the beginning
9:10 so the Rinnegan is the final form of the sharingan, but can't see through naruto's basic genjutsu? This is a plot hole tbh. If genjutsu worked that well then Kakashi would have used in with his chubby buddies against the very same pain present in that battle.
Edit: it seems i fucked up on the transformation jutsu, sorry boys. Severly underrated jutsu this one.
First that wasn't genjutsu, second Nagato didn't have the Sharingan prowess of thr Rinnegan
@@DygoKnight the transformation jutsu is a genjutsu, the most basic one since even naruto can use it. And the rinnegan can see through genjutsu, multiple people use it as a defense against debates like itachi vs madara/obito/nagato to downplay his genjutsus and tsukuyomi vs other sharingan and rinnengan users.
Also naruto used the same plot hole against obito with his transformation jutsu yet again!
The most basic genjutsu being used against mangekyo+ characters and working is outright hilarious.
@@kachucho872 no, the transformation jutsu is not a genjutsu. It’s a trick but you aren’t putting an illusion into someone’s brain, you’re changing how you look to everyone not just the target
@@kachucho872 you seem to have a clear lack of knowledge of what genjutsu is. Also just because someone on the internet says that “rinnegan is a defense against all genjutsu” doesn’t mean that it actually is. There is no clear statement one way or the other, even if there is evidence. Also someone have sharingan (MS or EMS included) doesn’t mean they’re immune to genjutsu, it just means they see more of the illusion all at once so they have an easier time realizing the falsenesses , alongside it giving them a resistance to genjutsu. If they were actually immune what would be the point in Sasuke or Itachi attempting genjutsu on each other, they were testing to see how strong the others defenses were
@@kachucho872 its not a genjutsu. please reread the story man.
I don’t like the susanoo because it came from the eyes’ power despite being unrelated to vision. It should have been unique to those who inherited Indra’s chakra and of course his reincarnation.
i dont know why people criticize anything in naruto , i did pretty much enjoy while watching the show and didnt even think about these stuff
It's not like they don't use strategy but the reliance on big boom-boom jutsu did increased that was supposed to increase as the power level of villans increase.
That really seems like copium from you. People aren't complaining about the strategy, they're complaining about STAKES. At the beginning of the series, people use kunais, shurikens, and a whole array of creative tools and techniques. It gets the reader/viewer engaged, and what really gets them into it is the EMOTIONAL STAKES. You can say that the war arc has strategy all you want, we're just saying we don't care about people throwing nukes at each other. They can be the most strategically thrown nukes you want, but the reader/viewer can no longer force himself to care about the events on screen, not helped by how boring the characters have become.
tool weapons are ok but big explosions are not?
I think we wanted even MORE high IQ fights, that's definitely how i felt back then.
okay but what about obito, how the hell did obito expect to win? he had declared war on the nations before kabuto agreed to an alliance with him which means all he had were white zetsu who weren’t even powered up by kabuto and maybe they could do something with their shape shifting abilities but white zetsu aren’t very proficient in combat (haven’t watched the video yet, so will edit if he does talk about it)
He believed heavily in his own power (which without Kakashi was unbeatable) still had the two rinnegan and he was still planning on having his tailed beast paths, at that time he still had Sasuke’s full support aswell as having Kisame one of the heaviest hitters in the Akatsuki. Obito really had everything going for him, plus he only needed to grab Naruto and Bee, which he would’ve done if not for Kakashi interfering in that fight. It’s less a matter of how did Obito expect to win and more how did Obito fuck it up so bad that he DIDNT win
He was counting on white zetsu's transformation ability which only Naruto was able to break
@@DarkBanks3 he wasn’t gonna be unbeatable, especially not after the 4 hokage had revived, if kabuto wasn’t helping him, he was cooked since he wouldn’t have madara to help him either
Looks like somebody didnt look at Naruto v sasuke properly. There was strategy there. The whole early portion of the fight was Sasuke prventing Naruto from using his staple Shadow clone jutsu by preventing the hand sign. He was kicking his ass. Then even after lots of clones summoned sasuke used a universal pull into a inferno style attack to neutralise all at once. If thats not strategy idk what is