Knots that I have used instead of leather wrapping handles the two bight turk's head and gaucho knot
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2020
- Here are a couple of knots that can be tied with leather lace for a decorative way to wrap handles. The two bight turk's head knot and the gaucho knot of two passes. They do look like braided leather but are tied with single pieces of lace. Unlike braided handles where I need to bind on laces these knots don't need anything to cover each end. These knots are very versatile for handle wraps because they can be extended to cover almost any length of handle by just adding more wraps when starting the knot. The same thing can be done with other knots like the single pass gaucho knot I tied in the last video about knob handles. • How to cover a knob ha... On these handles I used about 6 to 8 feet of half inch wide lace to cover about 4 inches of handle.
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This is awesome but I wish the lighting was better.
And that the audio was not so echoeee
I started learning to tie turks heads two years ago because I wanted to put a wrap on a walking stick I made from a branch I picked up in Yosemite years ago. I’ve wrapped everything but the walking stick but now you’ve given me a great idea for doing it. Thanks for sharing.
Donald
Thanks for watching, These knots would work well for grips on a walking stick.
this was so helpful!! I have a Renaissance Faire coming up and I have a staff I've been looking to wrap and had no idea! I've never worked with leather before but I am super excited for this!
I'm glad it helps!
I'm in the process of making a couple of walking sticks and this came up in my recommended list. Wow! This is beautiful, and different, way to finish off a stick. Thank you. I'm definitely subscribing.
Cool! Thanks for watching!
Love that book
I've got an axe and it doesn't have the fawns foot, or bell at the end of the handle, it's similar to the pieces of wood you're working with. Anyway, I started about a inch or so from the end and followed your instructions using the first wrap (the best I could) and it turned out pretty nice.
I only had six feet of leather and I ended up with between three and a half to four inches of wrap, with about eighteen inches left over. It seems to be locked in pretty tight, I don't think it's going anywhere.
Thank you for posting this video!
Thanks, I always like to hear that a video was helpful.
Thanks for your help with this process besto use on my project
This was very useful, thank you.
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
This is exactly what I needed, my Knife handles are first wrapped in a silicon ribbon and then I was looking for a wrap on top of that to protect the silicon and look nice. I used your links to buy the items, hope that was a reference links
Those are reference links and I appreciate it. Thanks!
been looking to do something like this on a walking stick for my father. you make it look easy here goes nothing.
I hope it works well for you. Thanks for watching!
I have a collection of axes, all functional norse style axes, battle ready, and I wrapped them like this and they came out really nice, and I also used this on a lightsaber I customized, thanks a million
Excellent! I'm glad it worked well for you! Thanks for watching!
Just found your channel, great info. Liked and subscribed.
Thank you for watching!
This is a great idea for a learner video, but maybe next time you can use a lighter color leather with better lighting (as Luke mentioned).
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@@bransonsgeneralstore Awesome! Thank you!
I am restoring a knife that had originally had a stacked leather handle on it but I think I am gonna do a gaucho knot handle because it looks the easiest. Is your leather damp? I was gonna dampen mine with water so it will shrink. Is this a good idea?
This is incredible. I love the look. About how long was the leather strap that was used to make the handle?
You need enough leather lace to cover the area with two layers. I used about 7 feet of 1/2" lace to cover about 4 inches of these handles. Measure around the handle and multiply by the length of the area you want to cover. Then double that number. Then multiply by the length of lace it takes to cover a square inch. Using 1/2inch lace? multiply by 2. Using 1/4inch lace? multiply by 4. That will give you the minimum length you need so add a foot or so to give yourself something to pull through and trim off at the end.
Its a really cool look, however the video is really dim with the lighting. This makes it quite hard to see the details of what is happening.
Turn up the brightness
@@beastbrothers9331 that’s not how it works 💀
Very interesting video however the lighting is quite dim and your braiding project is in shadow and difficult to see any detail.
gonna do you this to my motorcycle bars for my grips ;)
Great! Thanks for watching!
This looks really cool. Little beyond my abilities but I think I will try and do this for my lightsaber someday.
Keep practicing. You can practice on pvc pipe, ax handles, pretty much anything round.
It’s amazing brother after I watched you do the ax handle, I bought 14 feet of four gauge half-inch leather the little needle and I watch your video over and over I pause it I keep going and I can’t do it I’ve tried six times it’s killing me
Hi. Would you mind telling me where you purchased the leather and tools from?
Why, so you can’t do it to lol
Would you recommend wetting the leather before doing this process? I am hoping to do this for a couple of handles over the new year. Thank you for posting this!!
Instead of wetting I oiled the lace with a mixture of equal parts beeswax and olive oil. You can also use saddle soap or braiding soap which is made with ground up bar soap, water and some type of oil usually neatsfoot oil. I have used all of the above with good results.
@@bransonsgeneralstore I assume you heat the mixture of " beeswax and olive oil"? To what temperature?
@@violetviolet888 to get the wax and oil to mix I heat them in a double boiler until the wax melts and then stir thoroughly before I pour it into a jar or tin to store it in. Beeswax should melt a little below 150 ° f.
@@bransonsgeneralstore Many thanks for your reply! Much appreciated.
I’ve always tied gaucho’s as an interweave vs from scratch which is why I had trouble following the example you tied. I looked in Bruce Grants braiding text and he has multiple examples of gaucho knots and I was wondering if you used his examples; 1, 2 or 3 pass. If not his examples are there other reference texts that would show the the knot you tied? Without a lot of contrast it’s hard to follow. I think I know what you were doing and I’ll give it a try. Thanks in advance and I like the color of the lace you were using. Donald.
I do like Bruce Grant's braiding book as a reference. I haven't found a better book on knots and braids for leather yet. The gaucho knot I use most often is a single pass. Just like the two bight Turks head you can start with more wraps around the handle to make this knot cover a longer area. That's what makes it a double gaucho knot or triple gaucho knot of one pass.
What are you using the thread the leather?
Edit: Found it in the description, thank you!
Excellent! Thanks for watching!
I’ve made a bunch of walking sticks through the years and always used Turks heads and other sailor’s knots for grips, but always with paracord or other cordage. I’m in the process of starting another walking stick and was watching a channel on leather work. Nothing fancy, just sewing a piece of leather onto a stick. Then your video would up in my recommendations! I’m definitely doing this instead!
I never considered using leather to make a continuous Turks head like this! Very simple and it looks spectacular!
The problem I’ve found with using cordage for a grip is that it tends to be hard on the hands. Leather is much more comfortable and looks so much better. So glad I ran into your channel, I just subscribed.
One question, you said you had to cut your own half-inch strips, I’m just wondering what thickness and type of leather you used?
Thanks a million, this will be one of my nicest walking sticks ever.
For half inch lace I usually use leather around 4 ounces thick. Most types of leather will work. I like milled veg tanned. You can also just use regular veg tanned. An oily leather will probably work well for a walking stick. Thanks for watching.
@@bransonsgeneralstore, Thanks man. I’ve been searching my area today for leather supplies and they’re miles away. Leather working and supply stores aren’t as popular as it once was, especially in the big city, so I started thinking. I have leather I forgot about.
Dug in my closet for an old leather jacket I haven’t seen in years. I don’t know why I saved it, but I’m a pack-rat and have scavenged materials before. I noticed one sleeve was missing. That’s right? I used part of that sleeve to make a wrap on an old walking stick years ago.
It’s not four ounce, slightly thinner but it’ll definitely do. I’m cutting half-inch strips off it and practicing Turks heads. Getting the feel of the process on a knife handle. Turned out really nice. Nothing long enough on this jacket to do what I plan for my walking stick but man I’m getting the groove of doing it. You really inspired me here and it’s always good to practice before I commit to the real thing.
Figure out your screwups and why they are screwups before you screw up the real project. I’ve done that for years.
Next, I’m heading to the leather shop for 4-ounce veg milled tanned stock.
I watched your video doing an 8-strand braid around the axe handle and that’s just insane. I’ll work my way up from the familiar Turks head.
Thanks again my friend. Love your channel. Keep up the great work and fine tutorials.
lack of lighting we do not see well the manipulations
First of all, thank you for making a video. I’d like to recommend that you think of a way to eliminate the echo so that we can understand you better. I like the way you wrap your handles. I’m going to attempt to wrap my Bowie knife handle the same way. My fingers are really long so I need more thickness in the handle.
You're welcome! I have upgraded my equipment since I did this video, so the sound quality is much better on my newer videos.
What spacing would you recommend for wrapping a bend or could you demonstrate?
I am not sure. I have never tried to use these on anything with a significant bend or curve to it. If you tie these on something flexible like a rope it will bend and stretch to move with the core. What shape bend are you thinking about?
How big of a hide do you usually get to make your lacing? and what is the leather oz on this particular strap?
Most often I am cutting lace from sides of cowhide. The leather I was using on those handles was 3-4oz.
I am brand new to this so please excuse my question.
I did see and take your advice of trying equal parts beeswax and olive oil. However I am not sure if I used too much or if the leather I used was too soft. But now my handle feels pretty oily, is there a way to clean the excess off the leather?
I did find this video easy to follow and am greatful for your post! I also found the comment to turn up the brightness on my device very helpful.
The leather can make a difference. Softer leathers are like a sponge and will soak up extra oil that may squeeze out later. Most times the braid will feel oily, and a little sticky from the wax. I would roll it with a board which I think I showed in this video. That should help squeeze out any excess. And then buff it with a scrap of cloth. I use canvas, terry cloth should also work well, I wouldn't suggest blue denim because the blue dye stains leather.
@@bransonsgeneralstore wow thanks for the quick reply! I did do both of those suggestions and it still was a little oily. I did ask the Google and found that putting a layer of cornstarch over the leather draws out oil and grease. That trick worked great.
I'm sharing mostly to say thanks, but also to anyone who may make my same mistake.
@@naturalminnesotachild9267 glad you found something that worked. I have used cornstarch before on purses that people have spilled olive oil on.
where can i get the needle thing and how is it called?
What is the weight of the leather you are using? I am contemplating building a knife and would like to wrap the handle with leather as you have done. Was thinking of purchasing two strands from your etsy shop. If they need to be split further is that something you would be willing to do? Thanks. Donald
I usually use leather about 4 oz thick for lace. I have several handles on tools I have wrapped with remnant pieces of the lace I sell on Etsy. It works well for that. One thing to remember is that the thickness adds up fast when wrapping a handle. One of these knots with 4oz lace around a handle will add 1/4 inch to the diameter. Which means a bit more than 3/4 of an inch to the circumference. That is enough to make a handle that feels too small feel better or a good handle feel too big.
omg. i am cutting my own laces from leather and i’m using .5 cm!!!!!! i may need to replan this far fetched dream of mine. i like that needle! what is it called? i am going to need to explore your channel.
i thought i needed to go make an eye appointment, but i guess not so much anymore. haha!
these other ppl tho, they probably should. lol
Tandy leather sells these as Perma-lok needles. There are three sizes, the one I am using here is the largest. I think it is called a Jumbo long perma-lok. The handle in this video with the narrower lacing that has been doubled uses 1/4 inch lace or about 6mm. So 5mm could work.
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Thanks for watching!
Everyone here is talking about rapping in a straight line I've been thinking about wrapping the crook of the cane which means I'll be wrapping around the corner so I have two questions one is the process don't the same way in the rap and the weave. And then of course I cannot roll it so how would you smooth it out and tighten it
Going around a corner will not work the same way. You will have gaps on the outside of it and the strands will be bunched up on the inside. Not sure if there is a good way to fix that. When I cannot roll something because of its shape I just work over the entire surface of it with a cobbler's hammer. You could just hit it a bunch of times with something round like a mallet handle.
Cool, thanks. What are the handles for? Demonstration purposes? I practice martial arts, so I am immediately comparing it to weapons. I have karate sais that i want to wrap. 1/4 " would be okay. Thanks 🙏
These are just demonstration purposes.
Great video! What length of leather did you use to make this grip?
It varies depending on the exact diameter of the handle. You can estimate how much lace you need for a braid or a knot like this based on the surface area you want to cover. Measure around the handle and multiply by the length you want covered. You need at least enough leather to cover that area twice. These examples were only about 3" in circumference and 4" long. About 12sqin. Double that is 24sqin. Using 1/2" lace I needed more than 48" long. I would cut a piece 5-6 feet long just to be sure and having some extra makes it easier to finish the knot. If you are using 1/4" lace you would need at least 8 feet to cover the same area. I would probably cut 10 feet just to be sure.
@@bransonsgeneralstore Thank you so much for the incredible response! You have earned my subscription!
How do I determine the length of 1/2" leather ribbon for an 11-inch wood handle?
Depends on the diameter of the handle. Measure around the handle and multiply that by the length you want to cover, 11" to get the area you are covering in square inches. You need at least enough lace to cover that area twice. So double that number. Then divide that by the width of lace you are using. As an example 4" to wrap once around the handle. 11"*4"*2=88sqin. 88÷0.5= 176" that would be 14 feet 8 inches. That would be a minimum amount and you might have trouble getting the last couple wraps. I always add a couple of feet of lace just to be sure I have enough to work with.
Great video, is that 2mm leather lace? Because that's as thin as I can find, not sure if that's too thick.
The lace I used was 4oz leather cut 1/2 inch wide. That would be about 1.5mm thick and 12.5mm wide. This will work with thicker leather. It will make the finished handle a little bigger and a rougher texture if the lace is not beveled on the back.
@@bransonsgeneralstore thank you!
You're welcome!
Is there a version of this video without commentary by chance?
i want to make a handle like this and i have no experience, do i need to do anything to the leather before wrapping and how tight does it sit on, is there any chance it will move?
I coat the leather with a mixture of olive oil and beeswax. Some people use a mixture of neetsfoot oil, soap and water to make a braiding soap. I have also seen people use saddle soap. Be sure to use a vegetable tanned or alum tanned leather lace. Chrome tanned leather will probably stretch and become loose. If you tie the leather on tight it should stay that way. I have a knot like this on the handle of a mallet I use just about every day and it hasn't moved in more than a year.
@@bransonsgeneralstore thanks, also why do you coat the leather and how should i do it?
@@vonknorring09 It makes the leather more flexible so when you pull it tight the strands conform to each other better. Should be able to pull the strands tighter. I just rub the oil and wax mixture on the lace with my hand and wipe any excess off with a paper towel.
Is it possible to leather wrap a railroad spike knife that has a twisted handle?
It should be possible. The leather will round out the edges so it may make the twist less obvious.
What is the tool you're using to pull the leather through?
The large brass lacing needle I use is sold as a long jumbo Perma-lok needle. The back of it is threaded and you just need to cut the lace to a point and screw the needle on to it. If you are asking about the tool with the wooden handle I use to dress the knot and tighten strands that is a lacing fid.
@@bransonsgeneralstore I was asking about the lacing needle but i actually needed to know about the lacing fid as well so Thank You! Great video by the way 👏 👍
What is the first one called?
how thick is the leather? sorry if you mention this? thank you for the video
This leather was about 3-4 oz. I also cut lace from 2-3 oz for braiding.
@@bransonsgeneralstore is it about 3mm thick? roughly
3mm would be about 8oz leather. This would be just a little bit less than 1.5mm
@@bransonsgeneralstore thank you, will order some now and have a play :)
What kind of needle is that? Where can I get one?
It is called a "long jumbo permalok" needle. Tandy leather sells them and you can find them on Amazon as well. I should have an affiliate link in the video description.
Really fuckin ace.. however we need much better lightning to appreciate your skills, so would you please do it over again, brilliant work please share 👍👍
I am actually considering filming something like this again now that I have a better camera.
How long would the strand need to be for a 14” handle?
It depends on the circumference of the handle. You need enough lace to cover the surface area at least twice. If you measure around the handle and it is 4 inches then 14 inches long will be 56 square inches twice that is 112 inches. Multiple that by 2 for half inch lace or by 4 for quarter inch lace. 224 inches of half inch lace is 18 feet 8 inches Add in a little extra just to be sure. I would say for this example 7 yards of 1/2 inch lace or 14 yards of 1/4 inch lace. Of course a thinner handle would need less and a thicker one would need more.
@@bransonsgeneralstore thank you.
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!
Obviously, you cut your own lace- but what thickness and type of leather do you use?
It depends on what I am using the lace for. For braiding and some knots about 4oz vegetable tanned. I might go as thin as 2oz for fine narrow strands. For a strong lace like boot laces I like 6oz alum tanned.
@@bransonsgeneralstore I do braiding- bracelets and such and use kangaroo. But the majority of my stuff is 3mm wide. About 2-3 mm wide at most. If my head conversion is right. Much narrower
@@raymondgoertzen7333 for 3mm strands in kangaroo I would use 2oz leather which would be about 0.7mm thick.
What is the tool you are using?
The tool with the wooden handle is called a lacing fid.
Where do I get the 1/2” leather to try this?
I cut my own lace from 3oz leather with an australian strander tool.
How long is it?
I think these knots took about 10 or 12 feet. I used a piece about 15 feet long and had some extra lace left over. The length can vary depending on the size of the handle you are wrapping, the width and thickness of the lace you are using, and even how tight you pull the strands.
Do you sell 1-2” lace for this? I can’t find it anywhere?
If you want a 5 yard length, I have it listed on Etsy at www.etsy.com/listing/941944298/5-yards-12-inch-leather-lace?ref=listings_manager_grid. If you want a different length, let me know and I'll put it on Etsy for you.
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I was looking for a way to make my Jedi cosplay lightsaber hilt more unique.
I seem to have found it.
Awesome! I hope it works great for you!
Sorry! I should have read the comments before I asked my question.
Lightings fine. You eggs are just all blind
To have a better view, you need mor light, is too dark.
Sorry about that. I have new lights and camera now, but this was an early video.
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With all do respect I would have watched your video, and may have gained something from your knowledge. But the sound was awful even with headphones I couldn't really understand what you were saying.
Respectfully Arni Shook
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There's not enough light to see the details of the work. Not a useful video.