Dan Le Batard Doesn't Get It...Or Does He?
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Chael Sonnen talks Dan Le Batard on this episode of Beyond the Fight.
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Chael: *pumping out content 24/7
Us: "Chael, we need to sleep..."
Chael: *aggressively crosses legs* "The need for sleep is a very real thing, to the highest of levels. Ok great, but let me offer you this: just how much sleep do you actually need?"
Im dying bruh
ahahhahahahahah 😂😂😂😂
I read that in his voice!
Haha that one got me 😂
😂 fucking brilliant
I love the interviews that Chael gave to Dan on espn back in 2011/2012, it’s pure gold 👌
Absolute comedy gold
One of the best
Welcome to 2000 and Chael!
“Dan Le Batard and I were never friends”
- Chael Sonnen
Can’t stop playing the “well dan hold on a second “ part. Chael is a legend
Chael "Juliette School of Arts" Sonnen.
I'm sure Julliard students are editing their resumés to reflect the change in name of their famed institution
so dumb...
You beat me to it 😂
Romeo oh Romeo lol
that made me laugh too lmao... oh CTE xD
3 uploads in just an hour........ WE DON'T DESERVE THIS
@INTOtheVOID11 ok, great!
@INTOtheVOID11 I DESERVE THIS TOO! dammit!!
INTOtheVOID11 let’s talk about, DESERVE
Benjamin Cooperman ok great!
They could fight in Joe Rogan and Stephen Smith's undercard.
I would pay to watch Joe destroy that POS
That would be the first PPV I bought in years!!! At least bring back celebrity death match so we can see this fight if it isn’t going to happen in real life lol
Get the shmo vs Ariel on there also
@@ptkinnibu 😂
Steven a completely proved he doesn't give a fuck about mma
I’d love to see Dana light him up
Xavier because Dana is the man
I would too, Dana can actually throw the hands.... would be awesome to see libitard get his ass whooped 😂
Do you even sleep Chael?
Chael: "Now let's talk about that in perspective... Just how much sleep do I need?"
Doctor: 8-9 hours
Chael: Ok great *proceeds to do whatever*
5 hours
A Chael video a day, keeps the loneliness away, and the depression at bay.
Yes, Chael is the greatest Thesbian to graduate from the Julliet School of Arts.
😂😂
Best Chael line in a while 👏
he meant to say jullliard school 😂😂😂😂 chael unintentionally too funny
He's undefeated in thesbianism
i feel like Chael is controlling the amount of chromosomes other people have
You should go with your gut instinct
So your saying some are on TRT, HGH, PEDS, and or pictograms?
That's cute
@@SAM-ru4vx *picograms*
Bro you shouldn’t of said anything now the chael intelligence agency along with there special ops Eddie bravo, are going to be coming to silence you
Poor Chaels wife had to listen to all of this before the cameras lol
I think you mean "Lucky Chael's wife"
oh my god lmfao
You are so right man. Excellent points👍🏻💯
Who the hell is Dan Lebatard? I'd rather see Oscar De La Hoya vs Dana
Someone Chael burned on multiple occasions
I still wanna see Dana and Tito
Fat host
Jonathan Froger I do not know anyone one this list other than the late night hosts and stern 😂😂 bruh who cares get the worms outta ur brains, u Americans are hilarious about politics
Chael would own sports radio. Love the lebatard segments
Host saw you on pats show, that was great to see my two favorite shows collab!
Love watching Chael in his natural habitat sharing his knowledge of show business
Time for my daily dosage of uncle chael, keep the good work coming brother!!!!
Well when Jon's fights can get cancelled at any moment, who would put down money to watch him? I watch his fights only because im a fan of his particular opponents at the time
i watch at a bar because jon jones fights usually suck and I'd feel like i was robbed if I had to pay to watch him fight
@@justaguyonyoutube are you new
I am the only one how wants Dan Lebatard to get his ass kicked 🤣🤣
No you are not
Dan is bottling it big time
Dana White - 6'0/220
Dan Lebatard - 6'6/280
@Trev1183 lmao 2020 could turn out to be the best year ever
No, most would love that. His annoying voice and general opinion on everything makes that the case
Your way to explain things is genius.
The problem is you assume the fighters are asking for a raise in the current revenue distribution structure and counter that by explaining you get paid by ppv shares etc. The fighters are asking to change the system where the revenue is much more evenly distributed between ownership and athletes. In NBA for example, the share is around 50-50 while in the UFC it's only around 20-80.
chael understood a long time ago it's not about what you deserve when it comes to fighter pay, its what you can earn and the way you earn it is by being entertaining. Chael wasn't an entertaining fighter ( he was effective), but he was so entertaining outside of the cage it made people tune in. Not everybody has that in them.
You don't get it. Everyone would be paid more if the revenue share was close to what other leagues have, ie 50/50. It is 18% for the UFC, and makes it very suspicious that you don't address it. And uncle Dana pretends he does not hear the question when asked...he was avoiding the question at Lebatard, he avoids the question everytime it is asked. 5 years now he says he does not know the exact number, he is not a numbers guy, can't talk if he does not know the exact number... Every bleaping time. Ridiculous
The ufc can't pay 50/50 like the nfl because there is no salary cap theres not a set ball pack figure of profit because the sports still growing not to mention the 18% you see is from it gross income not its profit so take away its taxes, take away its interest on the loans the company took out to buy the it, take away getting fight Island, take away its now losing millions a fight from empty arenas, the advertising and the many many other costs and then come back with some figures
@@abdouldmml They can easily implement the same business principles as the other leagues. Another abominable thing is contract terms. Fighters are locked in a contract but can be terminated without buyout at any time. So let's recap: 18% of revenue in fighter salary, and contracts that can be unilaterally terminated without buy out, while at the same time they are eternally held in that contract until they complete the number of fights agreed. Absolutely ridiculous, no way this stays for long. People have woken up.
@@jaytorr6701 again its 18% of its gross not 18% of its profits.....i agree with the buy outs part ive never understood how its the only business that can release fighters under contracts. People haven't woken up this shits gone on since day 1 with tito and bj penn the ufc always wins out because there's no other options untill they get a fighters union and strike
Your the Best Chael, you need your own 30 minute segment on ESPN, using this format. let me promote you on this.
Chael, what do you think about the possible match between Alexander Gustafsson and Fabricio Werdum? Do you think The Mauler will do well at HW?
Link to the show with Chael and Dan please...
You see Chael is right but that's the problem with MMA every other sport has the highest paid as the best and maybe a few popular ones also get to be on that list not the other way around you don't establish a legitimate competitive architecture with a popularity contest and as long as the PPV model exists this issue will continue.
Yes thank you. Finally someone nailed it on the head.
Dang it Chael Sonnen over 600 K subscribers. You are about to be wealthy off of CZcams congratulations brother
good to believe you are getting worked because even if it isn't true overestimation is a good thing
Wait is there a recent Chael/Le Batard interview or did they just speak privately?
Chael was great on the Lebatard Show. He made a lot of valid points and I feel won the argument.
Link?
Comedy gold!
@@BazookaTooth707 youtube it mate I think theres a couple. Absolutely hilarious
@@lawlerslip9395 I searched CZcams, but I couldn't find anything with Le Batard and Chael in the title. Most recent video is from 7 years.
@@ultrakwon That's the one it was when he was fighting Jones I'm sure.
He said he had to dumb himself down to Tito level 😂 😂
Hey Uncle Chael, it’s the “Juliard” School. Not Juliet. 😂
Ok wait ✋ but what does the athlete gets paid? Compared to the promotion
How much capital does the athlete put on the line? The company risks losses and the athlete does not.
Chael makes so much sense he sounds crazy
"Juliet" School of Arts??
For never was there a story of more woe,
Than that of Chael, and his beloved Tito.
Just one lowly CZcams viewer's opinion....
bout that time where Chael uploads 10000 videos at 2 in the morning
Fighter's don't gove a financial risk. They give a life risk. Come on chael
“...the Juliet School of Arts”. 😂 😂
Very very wise MAN
For some reason we are allowed to say Le Batard in the comment section but once i mention it's translation from French to English my comment gets removed.
Cause it thinks you're say The word for a child without a father...trying to make sure my comment doesn't get removed. :)
@@MidgetPunter But its interesting that it's fine in French but not in English
Do yourself a favor and watch the old Uncle Chael and Dan videos. Pure gold
Chael, Rock Mathematician
Chael we want fighters to get a bigger revenue share them they currently do like in boxing!
Dumbing down 5 levels to the highest of levels
Another abominable thing is contract terms. Fighters are locked in a contract but can be terminated without buyout at any time. So let's recap: 18% of revenue in fighter salary, and contracts that can be unilaterally terminated without buy out, while at the same time they are eternally held in that contract until they complete the number of fights agreed. Absolutely ridiculous, no way this stays for long. People have woken up.
Father Chael, the saint of sensibility and badassery
There are a few reasons why Jon Jones specifically and fighters in general deserve more money. First, quality matters. Generally speaking, people who can afford it will pay more for a higher quality product. We know this because brands like Honda thrive and brands like Yugo fail. If you put out an inferior product your brand will suffer in the long run. Second, it's not all about spectacle. There are fans who will come out for Connor McGregor only to see him win or lose, but the majority of his fans are watching him because he is an incredibly talented and entertaining fighter. These two reasons can be personified in two fighters; Khabib and Bob Sapp. Khabib's performance is of the highest quality, but maybe not the most spectacular/entertaining for non-fight fans. Sapp on the other hand was all spectacle at the end of his career, and you can see where that's gotten him. At a certain point we have to realize that this is not the Kardashians. Third, the athletes take all the significant risks. If a fight doesn't sell out, the owners may lose money on an investment. This is an opportunity cost issue. They can take their money and get 8% in the stock market and be just fine. A fighter's night goes bad... So in reality, it's all about the margins; how much of the pie goes to the fighters vs how much goes to the owners. Just look at Walmart and Amazon to see how pay inequality can have a negative effect on the people actually doing the work. I'm open for debate on how much more, because if the business fails, no one gets paid, but I believe Jones raises the level of quality of the UFC, who would have a hard time defending their claim that they are offer the best competition without him.
You're not that far off in your assessment but with a ppv model everything is tailored for the spectacle more than the quality you have to understand that MMA is still at a space where a lot of people aren't willing to accept how violent it is and due to that they can't really fund it with ads and sponsorships right now where it would be more like a league where you could suggest the athletes make more money but while it's a business that argument is very difficult to make
At the end of the day, televised MMA matches are a form of entertainment just like all sport’s. As part of entertainment, people tune in and pay for PPV based on entertainment and spectacle. If the fighter can’t bring in the PPV because the people hitting the pay button don’t care for the fighter, then that’s on the fighter, regardless how good at MMA he/she is.
@@MikeShyu Thanks for your comment, but I disagree on one point. The fighter's job is to win fights; the company's job is marketing and sales. If you can't find a way to market a fighter as gifted and controversial as Jon Jones, then I dont know what to say. I'm not saying that ppv sales are irrelevant, but they shouldn't be the only factor.
@@dndfan3000 I agree it is not as mainstream as the big 4, but they have significant sponsorships, which is another problem with fighter pay in the ufc. They are not allowed to add sponsors to their uniforms, which used to be a bigger paycheck than the actual fight. Now the company negotiated a contract with Reebok and is the only brand on their fight gear.
The argument is not that fighters should be paid for accomplishment. It is that 18% is too small of a revenue share, and the fighters deserve to be making more of the overall share of revenue given their level of risk and the growth of their industry
Chael the problem is the revenue sharing homes. The fact Dana pays 18% and the ufc collects 82 that’s Horse shit
Sonnen always side with UFC when it comes to UFC vs fighters...never on the fighters side.. SMH
Well there are not many fighters whose side to be on, most of them are total 0 without UFC. Its idiotic to beg for extra money when youre under contract. You signed that contract, honor your deals🤦♂️
It's not a matter of sides tho...
@@robertonita1279 how?
Yes, fighters are paid on drawing power. Though, why not pay fighters collectively more than 18% of the UFC's revenue as it stands now (to ensure UFC fighters can afford to live the lives of pro athletes, as they by-and-large live already, but cannot afford to [unless doing another monetarily supportive profession, or..] unless top-tier among the top-tier. Would be curious to hear Chael's take on that matter. I think that's the better conversation to be had here (rather than addressing wonky practical concerns of being paid to the level of skill). Uncle Chael, would you support the notion of OVERALL fighter pay increasing (in terms of UFC revenue percentages)?
Can someone summarize his point? I missed it
Is juliet the name of an acting school or did he mean Juilliard?
The whole fighter pay issue reminds me of Mr. Deeds, when the jets quarterback wants more money or he's not going to play another down. He says he figured if he played well he could renegotiate for more money. Then Deeds says, "If you played worse, could we pay you less?". And he says "Hell no. I mean, no." I wish someone would show that to the fighters that want more money.
Yup
1:29 Commutative Property of Addition
My guy speaks nothing but facts!!!
Dana white is saying. Thisr fighters dont see. Those seats r not filled up. They cant b haven nore cashflow for no entry. Electric tv line is a different way of lesser pay?
Maxx Hallowau went to.. 155s. Debut. He didnt get an increased pay?
But did he ever get Chanel’s quote correct?
Mma? The biggest sport?! No...
That's not the point though, the point is that in other sports the revenue is shared more evenly than in UFC. Jon Jones is more popular than Damian Lillard, but Dame will make more money in 2020 than Jones has probably made in his whole career to date. That's the problem. You can't have a card whereby Jones is headlining and the organisation is walking away with tens of millions whilst Jones is walking away with 5 million max, that's criminal. Even McGregor isn't getting paid as he would if he was a star in boxing.
I doubt chael reads these comments but if his staff does, here’s the truth of the matter. A fighter gets paid according to how much revenue they generate, how many tickets get sold, how many ppv gets sold, how many T-shirt’s get sold etc etc. so a lot of the time fighters with more skill will make less than a fighter with less skill. Then other factors like how good your agent is, if he has a bunch of other stars in his stable and threatens all of them hold out, if you’re the champion etc. this argument is the same as the one where people say “lebron makes 40 million a year while a WNBA player makes 800k. Yes bc lebron sells out every arena he walks into, sells a shit load of merch, he literally made the city of Cleveland 400-600 million a year more when he came back to Cleveland. Small city economy was dependent on him. That’s why he makes more.
Let’s talk about the epic fight between Keith David and Rowdy Roddy Piper in They Live.
I have to dumm myself down five different levels.
😆😆😆😆
The popular guy will get you the most money, yes that's obvious. What is not obvious is :: is Dana making a huge amount of money and paying the fighters (all of them asa whole) less than they deserve? In the absence of any sort of laws to prevent this kind of underpaiment, the boiconting stuff that Cejudo, Jones, Conor, Masvidal etc. are doing is the fighter's only option.
I don't think I've been excited to see Jones fight since he fought Uncle Chael and I'm the type of fan that looks forward to the prelims.
Dude I fucking love you
Mma is not the world's biggest sport. Soccer is by FAR
im sure one of the conor fights has him introduced as the previous amatuer Irish boxing champion
DC vs Jones, Jones is current champion vs non champion DC. He has beaten DC twice. Jones deserves more money if they fight each other. Union for fighters.
How many failed drug tests?
Open your own gym, I bet you’d be an amazing coach/trainer and you’d find amazing coaches if need be
He's a coach in wrestling just now.
He would be the GOAT, aside from the tongue in cheek, he is actually fucking brilliant
Oh sweet where at?
I think he meant Juilliard school of performing arts, when he said Juliette
Accomplished broadway thespian
Yep, you are paid based on how much income you can generate, not on how good a martial artist you are. Usually those two things coincide but not always. Nate Diaz should probably command a higher paycheck for a fight than Jon does. Certainly he would have a year ago.
When Dana White said “the wimpiest guys cover this sport” was he referring to Luke Thomas?
don’t forget Ariel & Brett”I get my eyebrows done”Okamotto
All 3.of them. Just mentioned are fucking wimps lets be honest.... Especially Brett "please take off your top usman" okomoto
Yes
Sorry to post here now, but Suga Sean through the roof, just lay back, relax, and watch... Enjoy.
We got another era and star to watch rise, IZZY came too soon, but we are moving from the McGregor era to the Suga Show era as we speak. I love watching this unfold
Jones vs DC 2 860,000 buys neither guy made 10 mil.
Wilder vs Fury 2 850,000 buys both guys made over 30 mil
Wilder vs Ortiz 2 less than 300,000 buys Wilder made close to 20 mil
Fury vs Schwartz non ppv non title fight Fury made 13 mil
So yeah Chael and all the other “YoU gEt WhAt YoU bRiNg In” folks are still looking stupid cause mma fighters aren’t getting a fair share of what they bring in.
Wow your short sighted TV networks pay boxers individually so there numbers increase, they also are the only ones that make any money so tell me if there undercarriage fighters are getting paid fair
abdouldmml Jon Jones has made the ufc like half a billion and we both know thta
abdouldmml not all boxers are paid by tv networks. They just get a large cut of tv contracts that their promotions sign. For example the UFC just signed a deal with ESPN where the UFC will get 750 million dollars as long as they put on 42 events no matter the ratings or sales yet the fighters don’t receive any money in that deal. Terrence Crawford isn’t signed to ESPN the network he’s signed to Top Rank which has a contract with ESPN. Same as any UFC fighter. Terrence Crawford just makes a higher % of his events revenue than UFC fighters do that’s why he makes the money he makes without being a big draw. For example Chael mentions in this video that Jones vs Ngannou would do big numbers and Jon would make about 5 million. Terrence Crawford’s fight against Amir Khan only sold 150,000 ppv which is AWFUL and he made 5.5 million. If MMA fighters were paid the same % of revenue as boxers Jon Jones would be making 20-30 million easy with the numbers he does. The way the UFC pay structure is guys have to sell an insane amount of ppv just to make a decent pay day. Boxers are doing awful numbers and earning more than top draws in UFC
@@lakehouse1607 lmao I've no idea how to respond to something so stupid I take it you've not even glimpse at the numbers
The top athletes in the UFC get paid way less than the top athletes in other sports...You can agree with that Chael...I HOPE
They fight a maximum of 75 minutes a year
"CZcams or Instagram nutjobs." Lol I love it
Why not pay the fighters a percentage of the ppv sales?
As much as I understand chaels logic and his reasoning, but the fact is, they’re not asking for more money based off contractually agreements or flat fees, they’re asking for a higher percentage of the revenue they bring in, which in all honestly is fair.
Other sports aint paid off revenue they are paid off profit. The 50/50 in the nfl is after profit, so take the 800m the ufc made last year deduct taxes, production costs,staff wages, arena costs,hotel costs, advertising costs and the multitude of other costs then tell me are they only getting 18%? Then tell me how you regulate a salary cap in fighting? Because every fighter always wants to renegotiate to get more
Trev1183 Jon Jones is a cash cow for the UFC, he’s made them more than any fighter not named gsp or Conor mcgregor, that’s why they kept him after he tested clean, it wasn’t out of the goodness of their hearts, it’s because he sells and fights consistently. 15 ppvs headlined, x 65 bucks a pop x 300-500k buys each on average is between 300 and 500 million, and don’t forget live gate and sponsors
You have a point, at the same time you're a bit disingenuous. If you sell more, you get paid more, true. However, if you sell more, UFC get's paid a lot more. MMA Fighters in the UFC take a much smaller portion of revenue than in other major sports.
Every fighter should be paid more than the promoter. Period. That's the real point and issue. Dana and the ufc will walk away with 10 to 15 million. While jon walks away with 3-5 million. Yet he's the one bringing the entertainment by getting his head kicked off his shoulders.
I think I saw what should have been the same title as yesterday.....let me dumb it down for you.
Lol
I wanna see Dan and Dana fight CHAEL at the same time
I feel like Chael reads the comments but I wonder what he thinks of them. Chael is definitely the most loved person in all of mixed martial arts. Chael and Joe Rogan, they make MMA even better.
How about Luke Thomas?
@@antoniococotilo7019 Man I forgot about that guy lol.
imagine if CM punk went to the UFC...
god no
People don't understand basic business. Your accomplishments mean nothing. The UFC is a business that happens to host MMA fights. If not a single person buys your PPV or comes to the arena, the company makes 0 dollars. How can you demand money when the company made nothing from you?
If Brad Pitt was going to fight Leonardo Dicaprio they would likely be paid more than any mma fighter in history.
Le Batard would make more fighting Dana than Jon would fighting Ngannou.
Who else thought Chael said lesbian instead of thespian?
I saw this before I heard him say it. It definitely sounds like he said something like "thesbian," and that was right before he said Juliet School of Arts. Truly a hall of fame level five seconds.
Chael undefeated in fighting, but winless when pronouncing names correctly.
Force Rapinoe to watch this on loop until she wakes up to herself.
Juliet
The same fans who are complaining about fighters not getting paid enough are the same exact fans who watch ppv for free
Or fans that have actually put "UFC fighter pay" through Google and read about how underpaid they are.
Greg Dribbell lol let’s be honest for a second.
There’s maybe 2 of us who knows what’s going on for every 300 who watching fights for free and not subbed to their social media etc
And actually I’m going to say 1.5 for every 300 just because I can’t tell if you’re upset cuz you felt as if I was talking to you or not lol
@@cloud_monkey422 I definitely agree there are more casual fans than hardcore fans but what does that prove?
UFC is a part of a subscription service in my country so I get most events as part of my TV deal anyway. Only get charged extra for 3-4 cards a year.
I just think that what fighters make and are restricted from making (i.e Reebok deal) is an unfair amount, especially at the top end.
I don't see the issue with fans taking the fighters side on this regardless because it is about the % split the UFC takes vs what the fighters take.
Greg Dribbell I’m totally on your side by the way lol
That’s interesting your country does that. The states is deff a bit diff in everything’s about money lol
They find ways to charge you for everything
Conor was a national amateur box champ in ireland
Haah...conner was a exibition fight .......if u dont pay by rank than the point is clear you dont have a league......as in marquee pay.......fighters train bleed and compete and if u say they bring nothing to the table than obviously you dont care about fighters so if you can take the game for every cent coz if u dont play ball with managment ....to the shelve with yo career yo......