The turning of the tide at Cambridge?
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This is a big win, universities regaining a sense of professional propriety rather than political partisanship is better for everyone.
I wouldn't be so optimistic. The college might be flying only the college flag, but you can bet that all the individual flags flown by professors and students will be the rainbow/blm ones. Students attempting to fly other flags will probably be bullied and ostracized. And the bigger problem is that normal sane people don't really have special flags to fly. There is no sanity flag. Flags are sectarian by their nature.
We will know the tide has truly turned when they make their official apologies to Dr Starkey!
I would like to hear Daren Grimes make a proper apology too.
Hear hear 👏👏👏
@@ajalvin2012 Fully agree!
@@carolabohm2439 who’s he?
@@Threemore650 Darren is a young man from Durham. He has his own podcast - and discusses politics. He is very interesting and informative. Look him up especially the podcasts with our dear professor Starkey - they are a great mix
I work at a Russell Group University. It is not a safe space for critical thought. On the contrary, it is a nursery for the commonplace, the emotional and the irrational. They have forgotten Graham Greene's maxim: “Heresy is only another word for freedom of thought.”
My fellow Starkey-ites, I hope you all have a wonderful weekend, and dear David, thank you for our Friday evening viewing. Your channel has become so vital I can't imagine the week without your vids to look forward to. Such good news over Cambridge. We will turn the tide, keep your heads up everyone! xXx
But does this really solve the woke issue? A loud minority of students at G&C can refuse to attend lectures by Prof X who, like the Sussex prof, states that trans-women are not true biological women. They can post signs all over the campus smearing Prof X. Unless the college set some rules, the place is just a mob free-for-all.
Very heartened to hear that Kathleen Stock has swum her way to an island of sanity. The situation is so bad that we will probably have to build many more such islands into an archipelago, then a continent, to establish a critical mass to demonstrate that this insanity is not acceptable.
Unfortunately Austin is where all the Clifornian Liberal party voters are headed.
America, an island of sanity? ??
@@stephenmason5682 I'll clarify, I think setting up one then more institutions like a private university that has not been contaminated by wokeness, or tech platforms that don't censor free speech are constructive steps to make, regardless of where in the World they are.
When I was at Edinburgh University as a mature student in 1984 or 85 a student protest stopped Enoch Powell from speaking at, I believe, the George Square Theatre. I was aghast. I wasn't particularly pro-Powell but I did want to hear what he had to say in a civilised and scholarly context. But some disgusting little prigs - who were probably not fit to be at university - decided that I couldn't. I am a great supporter of Edinburgh University but that was one of its darker and more shameful moments.
What Powel had to say was rascist abuse .Would you have welcomed Adolph Hitler to Scotland ? There is a difference between reasoned debate and promoting violence against voulnerable people . I personally believe Powel was so far removed from reality in his intellectual bubble that he was blissfully unaware of the consequences of his rehtoric but the reality remains that violent rascists felt justified in their behaviour every time he spoke.
@@johnmilligan6605 Nope. Wrong. He was an extremely well educated and brave man (see his war history), with great foresight .e.g. the Crimewatch programme was stopped , although it had huge audiences, because the criminals being sought were in the great majority of a certain shade.....
@@johnmilligan6605 And is that something I am allowed to decide for myself or is what I am allowd hear to be censored by students? I don't know if EP was a Fascist - but I know those students were.
@@johnmilligan6605 I don’t need a censor or mind police thanks.
@@johnmilligan6605 Yet you would have no objection to Stalin no doubt! ALL Totalitarians are dedicated Leftists, by the way. I did NOT see that with Powell. If you want to research the kind of person you SAY you are against, I recommend you look into Xi who is almost identical in philosophy to Herr. H..
Much respect David Starkey... you are a giant among men.
"Loosely Wordy" - Brilliant! I love the both of you. As to the video, I suppose this is a step in the right direction but it seems that there is so much that yet needs to change. I hope it isn't merely an empty gesture. Thanks for your work, David!
What a happy short video, a bit of good news in a time of very little to celebrate.. Thank you Dr. Starkey. Have a lovely weekend.
Students make me sick. I got cancelled by one at my volunteering role because she felt "unsafe" when I said brexit voters weren't motivated by national socialism. No word of a lie. I got suspended for it 🤣
These places are sites for free thinking, speech and debate not censoral shrines for wokeism !
Or any other fashionable enthusiasm.
Thank you Dr. Starkey for bringing a smile to my face at the end of a long and depressing week. Love your references to the owl Minerva - remember first coming across it as an undergraduate and being much taken by the imagery “the owl Minerva spreads its wings only with the coming of the dusk”. My year with Hegel was not without profit. Very best for the weekend!
I found you one weekend by pure luck in the time when History Channel had history on it. I did not leave the couch that weekend. The long narrative format of Monarchy was just amazing with a fine narrator. Now many years later I can enjoy history with you from the comfort of my chair whenever I please. Thank you for that.
I hope the channel grows (can't fathom it won't) and give us your insights on the diverse topics here.
I would pay to see a Starkey & Worsley comedy duo.
A wonderful talk, as always Dr Starkey. You are a real voice of sanity. I hope one day you might consider doing a talk on your discoveries in the world of music. No-one seems to do this on the media - your thoughts would be of great interest. Your choice of Beethoven's 9th is very apt. Oh, and how about a T-shirt with the slogan 'All Bad ideas come from France'? :-)
University should be about listening to and debating all viewpoints ,to be removed for stating a fact is dangerous
God Bless You, Mr Starkey.
You and Lucy are my FAVORITES!!!! I’ve fallen in love with the history of the British Monarchy because of you both. Thank you ❤️❤️
Ah, the wonderful David Starkey doing his best to keep us sane.
Jolly good show! We need more of this thinking!
This action is a symbol of absolutely cosmetic action. The fact that the speech codes have been implemented, the damage and the territory has already been seized in the institutions and the policies in said institutions, the people seeking those positions who used the "protests" and "social justice pressure" to acquire power will remain in their authority roles/positions, will all remain. Which was the point. People thinking that not flying a flag is now considered a win when the tectonic plates have already shifted and the ground is already ceded. Are those statues coming back? No. Is the curriculum already changed? Yes. Will anything be reversed? No. Therefore, the only real reason for "conservatives" to actually exist is not to preserve anything. It's to act as a pressure release valve for normal people while liberal progressivism plays the long game. People are already making bets to wait for the conservative case for drag queen story hour to about 5 years. The adoption of MAP or minor attracted people (which is absolutely horrifying lunacy) is around 8 years. This is and always will be the playbook and the conservatives or people on the right or even the middle either do not recognize it, enable it, or tacitly agree with it because they are being "nudged" into becoming better progressives. Liberal progressivism is insidious and disgusting.
Well said and so true. In the 60s and 70s we had sit-ins, love-ins, even real rioting setting Washington DC on fire. At my age (late 70s) as angry as I get about things like not being able to say "MOTHER" only "birthing person" I realize that swinging pendulum will eventually settle toward center at some time. I may not live to see it but some day. I think the majority of people will get tired of all the nonsense.
@@tesssanders7993 Where is the centre though?
@@tesssanders7993 For someone in her their later years, you are the person who can and should say mother instead of silly woke descriptors. The elder generation is the biggest voting bloc which means you carry the most sway because you are the ones who have most vested in the system as it currently stands. When the older generations voice their opinions to the political class, they listen because younger generations are fickle and less set in their ways. Sadly, this goes beyond politics. It's really a function of weak leaders in the center left liberal ruling class that has been exploited by being outflanked on their left side. Liberals were always fine with pretending to listen to the "backwards" conservatives and dismissing/disregarding their opinions but the left saw the vulnerabilities for liberals and insidiously manipulated their sympathies to seize power and the liberals are confused how people on the left could be so callous once they took power from the liberals and shut the door behind themselves.
doh917 I agree. Well put and thank God you did because your statement goes some way to balance out David Starkey's (well meant) optimism for symbolic flag gesturing. Most importantly, for those with independent minds, it gets us thinking.
More of these counter-balancing arguments please, I'm scared for the future.
Well said and sadly very true!
Thank you David a voice of sanity
A welcome step in the right direction
"not the scientific fraud Neil Ferguson" had me on the floor. Fabulous!
Me too - superb comment, utterly well deserved.
Another magnificent presentation!
Have just found this channel, love Dr Starkey and have subscribed, a very intelligent and truthful man, look forward to more of your videos 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
Your smug smile gives me and many others a smug smile too.
An elegant gesture, elegantly explained. Thank you.
This is such a bloody positive move
What do you make of the British establishment rewriting the English Bill of Rights? Human rights act, online harms censorship bill ?
Yes, I came across the 'Chicago principles' some time ago. I was looking for some sort of mission statement that chancellors, whom I would consider weak, could lean on if they needed it. These principles should be set in stone.
Made me smile too.Thankyou for imparting this good news.
Thanks for this David. As a man of the Left myself, I am utterly appalled at the capture and destruction being wrought on my side of the fence by wokeism. And its frequent and seemingly unending attacks on independent academic inquiry and free speech are bordering on a form of intellectual totalitarianism. This is not the Left I signed up for. It occupies far too much bandwidth at the expense of materialism and class consciousness. I cannot think of a single issue or social or economic cause wokeism has improved, rectified or addressed. It is merely a form of vulgar tokenism which would have us believe that every social ill is systemic (racism, homophobia, sexism etc etc) and simply does nothing to advance the material conditions of the 'victims' it seeks to represent. Worse still, through rabid acts of defenestration and cancellation it has become a form of anti-intellectual fascism. Intolerance in the name of tolerance if you will. Its pervasiveness and institutional capture must be challenged for the sake of free thought. After all, free thought and expression are what define liberalism. I think it was Chomsky (a Leftist) who once said "if you're in favour of free speech, you have to be in favour of it even for ideas you completely disagree with".
Well said.
Congratulations Caius!
Excellent talk David, more please!!
Wonderful to read this hopeful post. I had begun to think I would never see such a change.
David Starkey for KING long live king David
You should embrace the 'cross owl' conceit and sell it as merchandise
I am now studying The Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada since our government has failed us. It would be great if more teachers could do an educational series on things like the Magna Carta, etc. I was never required to study this in school which now seems like a huge flaw in my education. 🙏🏻🇨🇦✊🏻🚚🚛🚚🚛🚚🚛
Our Charter of Rights completely failed when confronted by tyranny, or, rather, the Courts completely failed to back the Charter. We must not give up trying to regain our freedom, but it’s not going to be easy! Hold the line, Elisa! 🇨🇦
You are the most thrilling and adored ‘owl’ in the country.
My son is completely hooked on your historical books.
He was amazed (and impressed) I not only knew who you were, but that I am also a huge fan....
Ever since I saw you give that Penny Laurie-Nosepicker woman a good dressing down you’ve been on my Absolute Hero list.
It was (is) truly magnificent.
Fans who don’t know what I’m on about... look up David Starkey vs Penny Laurie on CZcams....
you’ll not regret it!!
Excellent - what a pleasant change it is to get good news. Is it possible that we have passed "peak wank"?
No.
it's only going to get worse. There will be nothing left eventually.
The Union Jack is a design icon.
No it is not, it is a symbol that has evolved from component representative parts!
Who knew the 'wisest fool in Christendom' was at heart, a brilliant designer?
NEVER insult Lucy Worsley in my presence.
She is quite capable of defending herself, I reckon!
Delighted to hear there may be some sense of reality returning to our universities.
I was pleased with the flag announcement by Caius but it does not negate the disrespectful cancelling of an outstanding 20th century intellect and the founder of modern statistics, the Caian Sir Ronald Fisher.
Excellent, thank you!
thanks, doc
You give us all hope here sir
Well done.
Let's hope this commonsense decision becomes contagious.
Keep up the good work, Dr. Starkey! “There was a young student at Caius, Who passed his exams with a squaius. Ere dissecting at St Bartholomew’s, Inward parts such as St Heartholomew’s, To find out the cause of disaius.”
Thank you David , 👏👏👏👏👍🇬🇧😊
Brilliant
This was awesome
Does this mean they won't fly the Union Jack? I've a problem with that since the College would have been created by a Royal Charter. They're an institution by the grace of the Monarch. The loyalty of the College should be to the principal of a Monarchy, sure they should be allowed to debate the role of the Monarch in government and society but not the principal of the Monarchy as in institution.
Thank you for this channel. I've only recently found it, but please keep up the content. The discipline of History is drowning in post-structural rubbish, and in a wider sense I fear that very few people are standing up to the cultural Maoists in the general public sphere. So please keep up that work and keep up the content on this channel.
CAnt stop expressing my joy at starkeys return….
This man's voice mesmerizes me.
At last! Thank goodness.
Mr Peterson was warmly welcomed back too.
This is excellent news. It's a small step, but I think it is one among an increasing number indicating a move back towards a more grown-up attitude in both academia and wider society. Sorry, Sr. Freire, but I think (hope) your grand vision is now running on fumes.
The predictable Window breaking has some resonance.
Dr Starkey is always worth watching, however, as so often with many self posting vids, some guidance to ensure the volume is at same level as usually found on YT etc., would help a lot as I have had to boost the volume to double, despite the good Dr being head and shoulders in the picture - if not above every other Historian and Presenter.
True greatness.
Hooray. Glad at least one college has decided to change back to flying their flag. Other normal flags to fly would be the Union Jack or English flag, on appropriate occasions. Studying at Lincoln in Oxford I wouldn't have been happy with political or societal issue flags to be flown there.
Immaculately summarised
Every other place of higher learning should now do the same. Well done.
What about the Union Jack?
I'm on the Left but I'm all for free speech and absolutely agree that university should be a place where all ideas should be debated without fear or favour. I'm appalled by the cancel culture and inability to debate certain subjects.
Thank you so much for your work. No one wants to silence liberal thoughts - I'm glad they have a voice. However, I'm sure liberals agree that a healthy educational environment in the West should represent both sides of an argument. Thanks again
The Rainbow flag flies triumphantly over both of our Universities in Canterbury -as well as the Fire Station and on police cars. A potent symbol of the dominance of a contested ideology. Congratulations to Gonville and Caius for pushing back.
Flags are always a tricky issue. Fly one that's not entirely specific to the insitiution in question and where does one draw the line? Nowadays, nearly every day seems to be dedicated to one thing or another, so failure to fly some cause-related banners risks the suspicion that the omission is, in some way, a slight. Restricting flag-flying as Caius has done is a fair decision, allied to a clear statement of freedom of expression as espoused by the Calvin Commitment.
You grump on, it’s a good thing 👍
I think you've touched on a very important tendency of our age. When companies like Ford were founded, Henry Ford took full responsibility and full glory for every decision and opinion he made. I think the clearly preposterous idea that a legal fiction has opinions began with companies like Disney, that had "a mission" (and one which involved controlling the narrative and thus the viewpoint of the viewers).
And now, this idea (of a legal fiction "having opinions") is rife. It is perfectly common for someone to ask, even in court, "What kind of message was Disney (or the BBC) trying to send?", and in fact allowing the legal fiction to become such a large character that one almost forgets that Disney or the BBC is made up of individuals who each have individual options.
Why this is insidious, is because the actual individuals who make the actual decisions now routinely hide behind the legal fiction, whether it be a company, a council or even a country, _as a matter of course,_ and the rest of us, so used to it, forget to notice the absurdity and dangerousness of it. The biggest danger to which I'm referring is of course lack of individual accountability.
Oh I can think of some posters.
I would love to be called a cross owl by Lucy Worsely.
A triumph for common sense.
A reputation is like a balloon, no matter how long it takes to inflate - it's gone in an instant when punctured -- this is what Cambridge has done recently (you Peterson) pricked itself.
Good news, a move in the right direction, but the (patched up) balloon is still pretty limp -- it will take a while yet.
Thanks for the podcasts - you and a select few - are the teachers I never had. Left school at 15 - never regretted it. Enjoying now I'm 60+ the learning I never got. It's never too late to the dinner table - as long as you stay hungry - I guess.
"[Public opinion is] always a mass, that is to say, collective mediocrity. And what is still greater novelty, the mass do not take their opinions from dignitaries in Church or State, from ostensible leaders, or from books. Their thinking is done for them by men much like themselves, addressing them or speaking in their name, on the spur of the moment, through the newspapers."
John Stuart Mill, 'On Liberty.'
Good to hear that G&C are striking out against the prevailing public opinion.
'Elected Education Commissioners' - like we have for the police? David, could you discuss this idea, please?
I just love you to bits, David. You represent stability in an increasingly unstable society and an increasingly unstable world.
A step in the right direction, well-balanced decision.
eminently sensible of Caius
Finally some good news.
Strange, I always thought that the Danish flag was significantly older than the Union Flag.
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Lucy Worsley probably said, "Cwoss Owr."
I wish my college (Dundee University) was a forward thinking ay Caius- I remember getting into trouble for flying the "French Battle Flag" [A white sheet] from my hall of residence.
What shirts does David Starkey wear? They look very soft and comfortable.
Do owls purr?
Wonderfully Lockean analysis
The Union Jack I suppose is too much to hope for?
A refreshing step forward. Whatever next? You get your old job back? I suspect you've moved on.
The students will boycott and get their way, but all academics in universities need to shoulder some of the blame for what has happened by employing only left-wing people.
perhaps there is hope, then.
The difference between traditional education and the recent regimen.....WE (Post-WW2-born students) were taught HOW to think. Recent mores comprise largely WHAT to think. Allowing individuality is the first step toward individuality...no liberal hive-mind suppression of critical thought.
Individuals allowed whatever views they like but an institution to be neutral - what a shame this isn't simply the default common-sense position!
I'm sure the woke brigade will say they are being vexatious. I say it's a semblance of symbolic logic.
David, You are an academic, I am an engineering technician. You, are one of us. The Thinking Ones. The ones who are able to discern truth from Bull Shit.