Understanding Motorhome Occupant Cargo Carrying Capacity | Motorized GVWR, GCWR, NCC Ratings | EP279
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- Understanding GCWR, GVWR, GAWR, UVW, NCC and Horizontal Towing Capacity are vital for your safety AND success in selecting a Motorized RV that will perform as expected. Join in our discussion and illustration of the basic weight rating nomenclature you need to master to be an informed Motorized RV user!
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I have been RVing for over 60 years. I've owned 7 self contained full size RVs. I do all my maintenance and repairs including engines. Added to this I've owned a trucking company comprised of Peterbilts, KWs, and Whites. So often I go nuts when I hear misinformation spewed by self proclaimed experts......BUT When you publish any technical video I sit down and pay attention. Your explanations and descriptions are presented in a way that most everyone can understand and apply to their own RV and situation. Mark, I really appreciate and respect you and your videos and I look forward to each new presentation. I hope to go full time in the next year and hope our paths cross.
When I read your first 5 sentences I was preparing to get BLASTED! Thanks for the kind last four lines. See you on the road!
@@OurJourneyInMyles Ha! So sorry Mark! I did get carried away with that. We all can learn valuable lessons from you. CZcams has so many folks spreading misinformation, your videos always are accurate and explained in a way that is easily understood.
I concur with Mike. Have been full time for over a decade. Rolling an 42’ Allegro bus pulling a Jeep. I pick up a lot of tips on this channel!!
@@Wanderingsomewhere145 Thank you for the support. Working on a tough video now to make interesting. I am working on video #4 of 4, talking about the final costs for our lithium upgrade. Should be out in 2.5 weeks. Next up is a review of the Margaritaville Campground Resort in Auburndale FL. Have to mix the videos up! They can't all be about repairs!
I'm starting to need some OJIM University course completion certificates from you two! This is an excellent Master Class level lecture on a subject that is not well understood by so many out there. Thanks for covering this and being transparent (as you always are) with your own numbers.
Wow, thank you for such a kind comment! I tried my best to only talk about the main subject and not make any gross errors. I hope this video makes folks buying the GAS coaches do the homework they need to do to get the right one. The diesel pushers have so much extra margin, it is a little harder to get into trouble.
OJIM "Master Class"! Where's the sign up sheet???
ChanMan, another well-done job! You and Sue do such an awesome job. Weight and balance is a very important topic. Keep up the good work. I hope to meet you guys someday👍
Thank you! Will do! We will be here in November: www.fcocrv.org/event/fall-national-rally-2023-in-myrtle-beach-sc/
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences towing.
Our pleasure!
You guys are on a roll… another great video from Myles University! Thanks for the helpful info.
Thanks for watching! Love the name,....... We will be traveling again in another month.
Well done Mark, love way you broke it down!
Thanks!
Mark you explained the ratings with charts and real experience! Great job my friend
I appreciate that a lot Rick! It's not exactly exciting to explain, but folks need to go to the dealers understanding the products they are hoping to buy, LOVE, and use.
Always enjoy a good technical discussion. I would be willing to bet that 90% of the people driving, or towing, RV's don't pay any attention to what they are actually trying to carry with them, myself included and as a retired aerospace mechanical engineer I should know better. I have, however, had our coach weighed at all 4 corners several times but that was just for determining what tire pressures I should be using for each axle. My 45' Monaco has a 10k hitch rating and my F-150 is at around 6,500 lbs but with all the tools and 'stuff' I carry/stuff in it I'm sure I must be hitting 7K. Good presentation Mark. I know you put a lot of thought and work into putting your presentation together. PS, I won't open up the 'box of worms' about design factors of safety that are used. That would be way to dangerous! :-) I'm sure I must be loaded to the Max and am into some designer's Factor of Safety calculations somewhere. :-( Safe travels my friend.
Working in engineering my whole life, I can tell you that design safety factors are not what folks think they are cracked up to be! They are typically 1.5 In the nuclear power industry, things have to really, really be safe. For some of our "heavy lifts", things were 12:1 safety factor. Morale of the RV story? Stay UNDER the RV ratings by as much as possible.
@@OurJourneyInMyles We would typically use 5:1 in most of our structural applications for our Ground Support hardware but for the Space Shuttle Flight Systems that's a whole different animal. I agree, STAY UNDER the rating posted.
Excellent video. Our coach was overloaded on the front axle from the factory. It's concerning to me that this could occur in a Wanderlodge, but other manufacturers, from time to time, have had this same issue. I have documentation, from a recall, of our exact front axle weight, with full water and fuel, taken back in 2005, after updates mandated by the NHTSA. Later, in 2015, Wanderlodge voluntarily updated our front tires to a 365. All is well and we have a great coach. Thanks for the video. Great information that most folk never think about. Thanks again Mark and Sue. I appreciate your channel so much.
Wow! Wanderlodge really stepped up on that one!
Well done!
Thanks Doylek!
I’ve had many a meal with you guys! All from my van or house.
Cheers Vince,.....we take that as an extreme compliment.
Like the calm direct demeanor you layout this valuable information. Thanks OJM
Glad it was helpful!
Nice video today Mark, helping everyone out.
Thanks 👍 Steve. Going to be working on a water leak tomorrow,...
Thank you so much for talking about “Over Loading!” I was fortunate enough to talk with someone who accidentally bought an rv that DID NOT meet their towing needs and their mission in life is to help others avoid the costly mistake they made. This is SO VERY IMPORTANT for all of us who are looking to buy our “Dream RV” and we get distracted by low pricing and floor layouts! Great information as always! Love your “Basement Organization!” Impressive! ~Big C in the DP 📢 ::: Air Horn 📢 ::: ::: Air Breaks! ::: 🚌🚌🚌
"Big C in the DP 📢 ::: Air Horn 📢 ::: ::: Air Breaks! ::: 🚌🚌🚌",.......That is a great "Tag" line,....no pun intended!
Love the Pun!!! @@OurJourneyInMyles
All this talk about weight reminds me of the time my wife caught me on the scale sucking in my gut. She told me “thats not going to help.” I looked at her and replied “it most certainly does cause I cant see the numbers if I don’t.”
Great video clarifying a confusing subject.
2009 Tiffin Phaeton 36QSH ...I can't find all of the specs for this rig to do these calculations... I'll keep searching... only GVWR is listed. 😥
Love it!@@TScottWoll
I think you are my favorite CZcams. Sue you are great with your attention to detail and information. But I have to admit I get a big kick out of Mark. He is still so enthusiastic about RVing. I loved him acting like he was whistling when the train really was. Mark never stop acting like a ten year old boy, it’s a real gift.
Thanks so much 😊. Being the class clown in school for all those years has finally paid off. It seems so natural to me,.....
Great video Marc and Sue. Great information. Love your videos. If I ever meet you on the road dinner is on me.
I will take you up on that!
Hey Mark. I was hoping to hear the words, " The longer you own it, the smaller it gets,"
Love your educational videos. Keep them coming. We'll keep watching them.
Will do Frank! I am dealing with a water leak now. Maybe that will be the next one!
Another awesome class lecture on weight vs carrying capacity Professor Mark! Even in my Sprinter 3500XD, I've heard horror stories about overloaded axel weights and how common it has become across the spectrum in van conversions. Thanks for breaking down the mathematics for real world applications, and earning 💯 👍🏼 for this video!
Thanks for sharing Adam. I can imagine how the build out alone can gobble up all the payload capacity available if the van conversion company isn't careful!
Impressive your organization of the bays Outstanding 👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks 👍 James. The shelves really helped.
Professor Mark presents RV Weights 101 (Or How The RV Brochure is Misleading). I jest but the information in your video is vitally important for prospective RV owners or for current RV owners who don't know how heavy their RV is or what the GVWR, GCWR, etc. of their coach is. Valuable and useful information.
You are supposed to be sleeping Jim!
I believe the majority of these rigs are overloaded by a percentage...thanks for the engineered presentation
I have no personal data, but I thought I read that the RVSEF which does the weighing at rallies across the USA had a really high percentage of rigs that were overweight. Folks can also go to one of these rallies and schedule a weigh in to see how safe they are. You will then know what tire pressures to inflate to. Check out: rvsafety.com/rvweighing
Thanks for the info Mark, you make a great teacher.
I appreciate that! Sue was a High School of the Arts Teacher for 21 years, and she has rubbed off on me.
👍🏼😍 very informative. Thank Mark and Sue
Glad you enjoyed it!
From the OJIM Studios another great video. A topic that maybe 20% of RV owners think about or have any idea they should. Mark I do not think you could have explain it any better and the visual drawings told the story. So important to weigh the RV to understand your numbers to make a lot a decision weigh distribution, tire pressure and to ensure you are within the chassis weight number. Keep up the great video content. I bet you guys are itching to get back on the road. Safe travels my friends…
I am getting antsy to get on the road again,.......but Sue needs her time with the grandkids. We just started having a water leak we can't find. It gets overwhelming sometimes. Wish NIRVC had a branch in Milwaukee, WI.
It is leaking in the bay with the half bath above is correct. Fun just had a leak there on my Coach. It turned out to be the hose that supplies water to the toilet. The very bottom fitting that is hard to see. When I did see it I took pictures seen them to Newmar and to my surprise service bulletin need to replace the hose they leak. Got it in to the dealer here In Orlando they replaced the hose. I know we have different years coach’s but just an idea to look at that..
Another great video!! Thank you for all the research you put into it, the easy to follow charts and detailed explanation! I took the liberty of sharing it with some friends that had some questions regarding the carrying capacity on their class C.
Awesome! Thank you! Sharing, thumbs up and subscribing helps our channel exist,......
Two thing to add. For any Newmar Coach, Customer Service will give you the weights for each wheel the day it left the factory, full of fuel and water.
Also when figuring weight it is imprtant to weigh each wheel and then use the chart ti figure your tire pressures.
Good job.
Great advice and tip!
I am going to be doing a seminar on knowing your weights in January. Location will be somewhere near Indianapolis, Indiana. Still working on location and date. I see so many posts giving bad numbers.
In February I will be doing knowing your electrical system. March will be knowing your water system from faucet to dump.
If these seminars are successful I may add other systems.
Good luck!
Good video Mark (& Sue), my only complaint is that I think Mark shifted some of his cargo to Sue, not way is she 140#:), have a great day!
Good point,.......I read that comment to Sue,.........she thinks your right.
What you explained is so true. Yes, dealers will sell you anything and explain everything wrongly.
Can you believe that I saw a B class rig with AS LOW AS 21 pounds OCCC!!!! Yes that was on the yellow sticker.
I am wondering how RV manufacturers are allowed in the first place to release rigs like that! And dealerships to sell them?
Can someone explain?
Thanks for your video.
You have to hope that was a typo on the sticker! My sock drawer weighs 21 lbs! (Compression socks included.)
Thank you so much mark and Sue for this video! This video is so much needed to know your weight and balance of your Rv. I know if you go over your weight things could go wrong as you drive down the road. Thank you so much Mark you are always helpful. Hope you have a great week and see you soon!
Glad it was helpful Sherri!
I gotta get back on the bike and pedal off some cargo soon.
Thank God I have the "cargo saver option" Sue in my life.
Great stuff, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Thanks Mark & Sue. Was looking at a Bay Star but now I'm thinking Kountry Star
Good move Peter. I have talked with plenty of folks that loved their gas coach until they drove across the mountains. I understand its a ton of money more. But why buy something you can't really use comfortably? Without trying to sound like a sales pitch, if you are buying used, buy from the right place. Buy as new of a coach as you can from National Indoor RV Centers and get their Exclusionary Extended Warranty so your repair costs don’t end up like mine. You will have no surprises,….and you will be treated at their locations exactly like I portray in all our videos. First study what year, make, model and floor plans you are interested in.
Call Angie Morell, Director of Sales, directly at Cell: 214-392-1100. Tell her Mark & Sue sent you, and have her put you into their system for what you are looking for.
Give her the year, make, model and floor plans you are interested in for her team to start looking.
Remember this: Most newer, brand name, good Class A coaches are sold before they ever hit the sales lots at the big places. The folks that buy new every few years are feeding this system. All these rigs are invisible to the average person and they miss out on them!
more good information. Thank you, Peter @@OurJourneyInMyles
Awesome video Mr ChanMan. Not to get into the weeds but an added piece of info would be to make sure that your blue ox or equivalent tow bar is also rated for your hitch and not a weigh that is close to the weight of your vehicle. I have heard of some that buy the lighter tow bar because of expense. They don’t think of loading down the tow vehicle to save weight on the coach. Thanks again.
We got a 7,500 lb. cap. towbar with the RV from the prior owner. I sold it, and bought a 10k rated one for our 5k Honda Odyssey. I knew I would be putting 500lbs. in it, and wanted more safety margin!
thanks!
No problem Grey Fox!
GREAT INFORMATION! Looking at getting a tag axle motor home
Glad it was helpful!
I think I have to watch this a few more times to get it lol. Timely since we are headed to Hershey to look at downsizing from a 42’ 5th wheel and dually to a small Class A and tow a jeep for FT.
P.S. I love the pointer lol
Wooden Bar-B-Que Shish Kabob Skewers, re-purposed!
I liked the information you provided but would suggest a trip across a set of certified scales to get a true number for your rig , doesn’t cost much and then you’re working with real world numbers
Thanks for the tip! We have weighed our coach AXLES (2) times on CAT scales and had four corner weights (1) time at Gaffney Freightliner and (1) time at a rally by RVSEF. Our 2000 pound bogie for the "stuff" we added to go Full-Time RV is ACCURATE and golden info for folks to use.
awesome info,,,,,thanks
Glad it was helpful Bill!
The freezer quits of air temps are above 90. We had to throw out LOTS of meat and fish in Vegas.
Yes, I would expect the "pretend" freezer in the basements to struggle during a Vegas Summer Heatwave! So glad you did your homework and watched this episode Cyndi! Long live the 2018 Bay Stars!
Reason #223 on why us weekenders started with a Diesel Pusher #GVWR not to mention we have a 21' Wrangler Rubicon 392
Can't go wrong with starting out NOT having to worry about OCCC!
Great video, but the "elephant in the room" is that none of the motorhomes are NHTSA crash rated. They're just a fiberglass box bolted to a chassis.
You are right on. The Super C Class A's are infinitely safer,....times 2!
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Thanks for watching Eric.
Good video you guys 😊 but how many people really understand the weight of rig and tow car just saying I don't think they check it 🤔
I agree that folks sometimes don't deal with it until it starts to cause issues. Manytimes, that is too late, and can be unsafe & expensive to change.
Hey, One thing liquid Springs on base Stars a unit is really heavy I was wondering what that would do to your overall weight
That is an excellent question. Hope someone reads this and chimes in!
@@OurJourneyInMyles Hey ,units with it installed people been reporting front tire wear problem the wangers Nexus Wrath has issue now personnely i think it changes the frame characteristics you had that much weight now on the back and the front is lighter so I think you'd have to subtract stuff from the back tires .
I wonder is 450HP is enough for a RV of your size. Thx
Yes,........it is perfect 99.9% of the time, and not enough only when in the mountains pulling a heavy car or stacker trailer. But the 605hp would price the Dutch Star out the window, and not be a good match. Mine in a 2014. The new DS 450hp and many of the models AFTER my year have a 3 stage Jake Brake. That is all I wish I had. The two stage I have is too much sometimes, and the other setting is too little!
Newer Dutch Star is much heavier, one of the reasons for the 365 front tires. A number of owners of newer DS complain of poor performance and lower fuel mileage. You pay a price for weight
My old saying about weight...ya ain't a man till ya hit 200#
I over shot the target!
How much of that 2000lbs of personal stuff belongs to Sue? 🫢😆
I (Mark) have a lot of hair care products, mostly for my nose & ears. But Sue does collect crystals when she goes to mines digging for them every time we are in the Hot Springs Arkansas area!
@@OurJourneyInMyles 😉