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Chapters:
00:00 - Debian 12 is up to date?
01:03 - What is Debian?
01:54 - Stable is not always good
03:05 - The installation process
04:54 - The good, the bad, and the inbetween
06:53 - New, but ....
07:31 - Who Debian 12 is for ...
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4:40, correction: Debian doesn't come with gimmicks, its Gnome that comes with the gimmicks. Debian uses Gnome as is (stock stock) whereas other distros tailor it
Indeed.
Vanilla gnome is best... I recommend installing debian as cli only and install vanilla-gnome
That's why I always install my distros naked (tty only) and manually install the packages I want.
Currently I have a Debian install with ≈900 packages with all my applications installed.
I think the default Debian install with any desktop has more packages.
@@jit_x I install i3.
If Debian has the worst installation process you saw, I assume you never installed Arch.😂
Yeah, debian install is really easy
it's not that nice compared to say Mint. But at least it doesn't feel like you're selling your soul and your family with it, like it's the case with installing windows when the try to force you to create a microsoft account just to run your pc.
Why is the installation process so important? I do that once every couple of years. It's by far faster than updating a macOS or Windows. Even if you install Arch manually.
I haven't used Debian for over 25 years, but after getting extremely tired of unstable environments, switching back to Debian feels like coming home.
Debian has backports repo, allowing you to install recent versions of many apps and packages. While still remaining pretty stable.
When Debian says stable they are not referring to bugs. They are saying application ABIs will not change within the same release and that's why the packages are fixed for such a long time. It's to keep OS updates from breaking dependencies.
thats why if im thinking of proprietary software which does rely on stable dependencies versions for years to come for their software to work, they would rely on debian or an alma or rocky linux. But if they learn about flatpak distribution and port their application for it, they can finally become distro independent, i would hope so, but not all companies do this, so a stable distro with stable deps is needed. And thats the distros i choose from.
@@akashp01welcome to CZcams, everyone copies everyone here lol.
I think the miscommunication of stable is from people assuming Linux in general is unstable (buggy). I think this is false though, because a standard user who never uses sudo past installing store apps will likely not break thier OS. This has at least been my experience and I mess around with much more than store apps!
New linux user here. Dude, you don't know for HOW LONG the terms "Stable" , "Rolling release" and sentences like "Debian is Rock Solid, it never breaks!" & "Rolling release distros Arch are meant to break" confused me. Even now it confuses me sometimes.
What does "Breaking" even mean???
I want to clarify that my comment was in no way meant to be a criticism of Michael or this video. Michael does a great job with his channel. My intention was only to clarify a very common misconception.
@@akashp01 So when Linux CZcamsrs mention "Debian 12/New Linux Mint is released, and it's ROCK SOLID", it doesn't necessarily mean that it has less bugs or my system will crash less than Windows 10/11 - did I get it correct?
Debian can be configured in so many different ways that you can use it, as you only reviewed it in it’s stable form, there is a testing branch and a unstable branch which is at the bleeding edge. Debian is so configurable that you can set it up just about anyway you need it to be.
With so many changes happening in the desktop space (GTK4, Plasma 6 coming soon, the switch to Wayland as a default etc) there will be bugs and breakage, and if you early adopt you will be affected by these first-hand. The whole point of a LTS distro is to guarantee a working environment that stays the same at least until it's safe to upgrade. The payback is that you accept to stay with the current bugs and missing features for a while. In the end, it's a choice: getting you things done or working as a beta tester for Gnome and Plasma.
Gnome and Plasma are desktop environments, not distros.
@@folksurvival read twice ?
@@idjdbrvvskambvvv9007 Already did.
@@folksurvival I think he's referring to how Fedora KDE will only have wayland and ditch X11. That's why those people are "beta testers."
Someone who just wants to do work might have better luck with Debian 12 KDE because of X11.
Of course, there are plenty of other KDE distros which use X11 that are more recent than Debian so I don't agree with his point.
I've been using Debian Stable on my work desktop for years. Overall, a good experience. The servers, that I write software for, also run on Debian Stable, so using the same as my desktop makes testing easier and more reliable. Looking forward to the update.
This could be achieved by using docker as well while having and keeping an up to date desktop system. Fedora + Rockylinux in my case and any Debian (Testing)/Ubuntu based System + Debian
I'm loving my Debian 12 setup. I've tried others, but I always come back to Debian
We all have different needs. Some need stability, others need new features, all would like both.
Linux has made GREAT progress in the last few years (I've been using it since 2006, I know what it was like 10 years ago). Flatpak IMO really makes a difference in terms of keeping the software up-to-date. With this (flatpak) in mind, Debian 12 seems to be an EXCELLENT choice for workstations.
The only thing is the companies learn about flatpak and port their applications to it, it would make a big difference for them and for us.
"Multi boot for the love of the distros", as I always say.
@@paxdriverthere's distrobox for that
I used Debian Testing for a few years, a long time ago. Still stable as hell for regular desktop use and fairly up to date packages. This was before GNOME 3/4 and plugins breaking after each new release of GNOME.
Why not use the testing or "unstable" versions. They are more stable than most distros whilst being kept up to date throughout. Debian Sid is pretty much a rolling release distribution
They are not really a seller, since they don't give any assurance whatsoever. If someone doesn't know what they are doing, then it's not a good idea to use testing or SID branches due to the lack of proper support.
“Stable” in the context of Debian refers to the operating system and most of its packages not changing over time except for security updates and bug fixes. Traditionally, this has been a big disadvantage for people because they miss out on desktop environment features and bug fixes, and many applications go unupdated on a stable distro. However, desktop environments are a lot more mature now, so the new feature’s won’t be missed as sharply, and Flatpaks are a way to get the newest applications rather than being stuck on older versions.
For people with very new hardware or who need many applications in their newest versions (maybe compile some programs themselves), Debian is a poor choice. However, if your hardware is not getting an upgrade in the near future, and the up-to-date packages released as Flatpaks do the job for you, then Debian is a good choice.
Alternatively, if you want Flatpak set up for you out of the box, ability to install non-free software out of the box, support for new hardware into the future, and a set of powerful graphical tools (not quite at the level of Yast, but still very cool and useful), you can wait for MX Linux 23. MX Linux is basically a better Debian Stable, and I strongly recommend it for users who are fine with Debian’s slow release cycle.
Last year I moved from using windows all my life to Manjaro. Yesterday I decided to change again and was on the fence on either Mint or Debian. I think I'll go for the first one since I'm still fairly noob and don't have much time to tinker with. Just hope that this time I'll get some sound out of my midi keyboard, since this is the reason I'm switching distros. Although Ardour showed sound on the Master output and Jack was connected to system playback, nothing happened. Thanks for the video
I really don't know, why the feature "new" is always thought as an advantage for Linux users. It matters only, if you are just waiting for something eg. missing features of the applications you use, bug fixes etc. But if you like your system as it is now it is not an advantage at all. So if you install new Debian and you like it, you don't have any reason to move to Ubuntu, because it is "newer".
The "new" feature was important about 10 years ago, where the Linux desktop was still in construction and there were lot's of features well known from proprietary operating system, that were missing in Linux. But it is 2013 and now most Linux desktop environments give you all what you need.
Debian has also some derivatives that are more newbies friendly (MX-Linux, Sparky Linux, LMDE etc.) so telling the newcomers, that Ubuntu is one and the only alternative for pure Debian is absurd.
I had Debian 10 on my 10 year old laptop that I use to play music on. I tried OpenSUSE on it recently. The problem with OpenSUSE is that it takes longer to start up and has a ton more updates (as it should) when compared to Debian. I think OpenSUSE has its place but for our old music playing laptops, Debian is a great fit. I plan on putting Debian 12 on that laptop now.
I use computers mainly to browse these days. I installed Debian 12 and it's extremely stable. I haven't had a SINGLE crash on any app, or applet etc. Basically, the desktop environment is very stable too, not just the kernel. On Ubuntu, I get crashes from included apps, or applets, or other parts of the DE, 1-2 times per HOUR. The only bug I found on Debian (and that bug was there since the previous release too) was that the audio from my sound card was too low pitch (kernel bug that ubuntu has fixed). But other than that one bug, I haven't encountered anything else wrong with the system.
I mean, most Distros are incredible reliable, even if considered unstable. It's all about smoothing remaining edges.
@@MichaelNROH Crashing apps 1-2 times an hour is not reliability. The kernel is reliable, because it's tested with modern suits and architected by the best engineers in the world -- who work at massive corporations. The kernel development these days has nothing to do with the early '90s dev community, or the desktop environment dev community. It's just big corporations with a dog in a fight. The desktop stuff on top, is not reliable at all, since it doesn't enjoy the same participation that the kernel is. Debian is the only distro I know where the DE and the gui apps are more stable than in other distros, because they do longer testing.
You should use nala as apt package manager front-end, it gives you way more possibilities, including a history, like dnf, and you can undo installs and updates. It's also a bit more clear, and easier to read.
I like using Debian Unstable (Debian sid) because it's rolling-release and is still easy to use for my colleagues who are used to Ubuntu
Overall, Debian is one of my favorite distributions. But you are right, the average user will quickly get bored and want new features.
Speaking of stability and serious testing, I found a bug in the installer (in a pseudo-graphical version, perhaps it is still present), and I also once encountered a rather serious bug in the kernel (it was quickly fixed).
By the way, I like the pseudo-graphical installer. It may not look very elegant, but (ideally) you only have to see it once. There is a feature that MUST be in any installer in any distribution - ask which key combination to switch the keyboard layout (not only in the GUI, but in the entire system). For some reason, this childhood sore affects so many distributions ...
The default installer is really good in my opinion. It doesn't even matter if you use it with the mouse GUI or the text based one, the usability is really great if you know your stuff (e.g. setting IP addresses, manual partitioning, etc.).
Laughs from Debian stable. Seriously you cannot go wrong with debian and you can tailure it how ever you want 😂
GNOME Games was previously a part of the GNOME release set. However, it has been moved to the "others" section very recently and will not be a part of the release set after GNOME 45.
The bloat applications you get rid of are usually a part of the desktop environment and not Debian itself
Nah, fedora ships with basic default gnome with firefox and libreoffice
@@ninetysixvoid 🤦♂️
Hi Michael, every debian users know that to use as desktop a stable version you have to enable the backports repo. One day XFCE could be the default desktop.
I've been using Debian for production servers and personal use since 1997 (1.3 aka Bo). Other disgtros come and go and have varying problems. Debian has occasionally had some politicking machinations that are frustrating. But overall, I would never stray from Debian. I have no idea what people desperately need from "newer" distros, but Stable has always been ENTIRELY fine for my needs. if there is something seriously missing in Stable, I'll just deal with it manually. *shrug*.
Debian is great if it has exactly what you want, you configure it once and you can be sure it'll be exactly like that for 5 years, nothing new added and nothing removed.
I use Debian 12 for both my home website server and jellyfin server I love how stable it is and I love how easy and fast it is to install if you don't need a desktop.
Debian is the goat on servers 😏
Funny how you say Debian isn't beginner friendly when I started with Debian 5 back then, haha! Raspbian on the first versions of the Raspberry Pi were also fun to mess around.
Thanks for informing me that there is a new debian so i can update my debian installation though!
And glad to know we are basically neighbor countries, I come from Switzerland :)
Debian is most useful as a server OS. You can forget about your server and leave it for years and it will still be running.
I currently use KDE Neon, and I only really play Singleplayer Games and Indie Games. I don’t particularly care about the latest and greatest DE features. I kind of prefer my main PC to be boring and reliable, so I think down the line I’ll switch to Debian 12 and install the backports and use Flatpaks
All the reasons you site Debian might not be my daily driver is precisely why I installed Proxmox on one PC, antiX, laptop, and trying Pop OS on a potential work box, still undecided. If I were really a sharp tool I'd be building my own slackware debian or arch homelab & production box. You're to the point & on topic which makes your videos worth my time. Noticed you first on OBS tutorials. Hope you make more videos on Proxmox Cli settings & configuration run w/ Proxmox a tiling wm setup that I can work frm directly like a work station without the over head🤣 thank you
I just installed debian yesterday on a laptop and I can confirm it's not as "user friendly" as some other distros. But I found the installation process to be pretty straight forward. This is the first time I have ever installed debian and it seems okay-ish for now. I was using PoP OS until last year when that wouldn't install on my system for their newest LTS release. So I switched to Ubuntu 22.04 which was absolutely fantastic until everything started breaking a few weeks ago and about a million re-installs doesn't fix anything. So far, debian 12 has been a bit of a pain to get working right. For example sudo doesn't work until you edit some files, you have to setup flatpak as you stated, and it doesn't have a nice "additional drivers gui" (which I know is an ubuntu thing), etc... I'm currently trying to get my nvidia card to work as my screen is now just a black screen with a blinking curser. ..lol. But once I figure out how to fix that I hope to give it a spin.
A bit late but, if you leave the root password blank during installation, sudo is configured automatically. That's simply the Debian way of doing it and it warns you during the install.
@@yigitorhan7654 Appreciate it! that's good to know as I'm going to install Debian12 on another system shortly. I guess I should have read all the warnings :).
@@ebg100 Another tip. When installing proprietary Nvidia drivers, don't forget to enable 32 bit repos prior to entering the command.
The “Debian way” is to switch to super user and then run your commands that require sudo
Basically you do:
su
Switch to root. And then run
apt update
apt upgrade
Etc etc
I run MX Linux. It is moving to a Debian 12 base from Debian 11. Mx Linux supports Flatpaks out of the box. One can wait for the Debian 12 goodness to reach other Debian based Distros. I look forward to putting very slim Debian 12 installation on a very low performance machine. I can run the same Flatpaks on this machine as my Mx boxes. Eventually, they will all be running the same core software and key applications. Debian 12 is a big win for a greater Debian community.
I installed Debian on my old laptop a couple of days ago. I love it! But I switched the repos from bookworm to sid (unstable) for updates.
You nailed it. Thanks.
I remember when Debian proudly announced Debian 6 Squeeze to release with a Linux kernel free of all blobs.
I used it myself during that period and kept doing so for Wheezy but given that was also the time when Valve just came to Linux... damn... that was a hell trip compared to using Kubuntu or openSuSE.
One nice thing about Debian is that they still keep 32bit support arround, so I can have a current Linux on my semi vintage ThinkPad X60t which is a lovely laptop but suffers from having only a 32bit CPU.
I too use it on my NAS in some capacity as OpenMediaVault is based on Debian but to give Debian Stable another chance on my desktop would make me want to use Windows 7 again.
Thank you for the video. I don't like changes on my workstation. I want to switch it on and work. That is why I use Debian 11. Can't wait to format and install Debian 12... and yes you are right the web page is confusing! Cheers!
I recently updated to Debian 11 from Debian 10 and will probably keep it this way on my main machines as I could rather seamlessly replicate my current workflow. Still I consider getting 12 on my spare laptop to try it out.
Recently installed Debian and had issue after issue after issue. Installed OpenSuse instead and no issues thus far. So much smoother. I guess Debian just didnt have the bugs worked out on the laptop I installed it on.
Too late, austrian comrade
Already fell in love with this distro😂😂😂😂😂😂
On one of my PC's I have Spiral Linux and love it. Its done by the same guy that did Gecko for OpenSuse. Spiral isn't a "distro", it is more of a Debian installer that basically does all the things you'd find in a "20 Things to do after installing Debian" list plus a few more things-- none of which change its complete compatibility with regular Debian.
Interesting this is the first vid I've seen to exercise caution and experiment the system prior to finalizing making it your new os. So should I consider installing PureOS instead would PureOS be a more secure os?
Usually i do not comment i like your presenting style such a warm and welcome
Debian 12 = Perfection.
I dont understand recommending Ubuntu over Debian. One, Ubuntu is based on Debian. Two, my experience with Ubuntu was horrible; the distro did everything different. Maybe things have changed since then. I tried out a lot of distros when I got into Linux. The two I wound up using the most were Debian and a LFS/BLFS ( hey, I had a lot of time on my hands! ).
I wound up going back to windows eventually because the programs I wanted to use we a major pain to get going on Linux. I think it is time for me to install another Linux OS and see how far it has come. The videos I have been watching seem to show it has.
Recently I switched to Fedora from Debian, previously I was too happy with Debian, but after Installing Fedora my happy life with Linux is gone, always trying to fix some bugs caused by new update. going back to debian now.
Yeah. Fedora is doing the same for me. I am also going back to debian
No problem! There's Debian backports to install newer versions on top of a stable release.
Backports should be used with caution though. Not every package or application does work all that well with other dependencies.
@@MichaelNROH I've read they are tested carefully. I didn't had issues with server packages.
@@MichaelNROH, you are of course right to advise caution but I have used backports extensively for a good few years and, so far, had no problems whatsoever. That doesn't mean others might not have issues but I thought I'd throw my own experience into the mix.
@@neilsmith9473 Oh yeah, I'm not really worried about overall stability all that much but there is minimal difference that's all I'm saying. Backports are basically as good as the stable packages, just not as guruanteed.
I recently migrated to debian testing after years of being an Archer, just to learn my way around servers :D
Debian stable is the workhorse ... it simply has to work without issue's, over and over. On the other hand der is Debian testing which is much more stable as someone expect.
I like Debian's stability not because it's "unbreaking", but because it's unchanging
Debian 12 with plasma. Perfect.
Not sure why am I watching this, I am not planning on ever using debian.
@@akashp01 Your sentence? Understand that almost 90% of PC Userbase are a Gamers, are you have something against?? We use new technologies(implemented in hardware), my PC are 4 years old but it has powerful hardware. We cant use our hardware at highest rate with Debian, it hase prehistoric packages. I like Debian, but when I see folks like you I more and more starting to dislike it. Debian Sid is what I used, but it is also at behind with packages when it is compared to ArchLinux(GaridaLinux, ArcoLinux) and Fedora, and Windows even it is not Linux distro but it has new Drivers for example.
@@akashp01 Sure. Not gonna argue with lowminded limited brains.
@@akashp01 Fedora linux
Me neither, I don't even consider to use Linux until December this year.
you just like his content :>
Thanks. I did not even know the live usb was an option.
im an Elementry os user for like 8 yrs after ubuntu went mainstream and started selling all our data.
SO why is debian better than elementry and how should i install being a Elementry os fan in the past?
I'm planning on switching to debian 12 already
It's about time
Package date is no longer an issue with distro agnostic package managers exiting now
I am running Home Assistant, so I have to run latest debian no mater what :-)
I currently use Mint, but I have my boot drive on a removable drive and my home folder on a removable drive.
So I plan to install Debian on an alternative drive so I can boot from either one and get to my same home folder on both.
I then plan to alternate between Mint and Debian each day for a few months and then decide which I like better.
That's an interesting approach.
How's the performance regarding long sessions?
Some USB sticks get really hot, even if the directories on them are not being accessed all the time
@@MichaelNROH It's not a USB stick! It's a server grade case with removable SATA bays. 🙂
I run Mint OS on a 1 TB SATA Ironwolf SSD, and my data is on a 6 TB WD Red (which I'm about to upgrade to a 20 TB WD Red Pro one of these upcoming weekends when I get enough free time to let the copy run.
For distro testing/hopping, I put the OS on a 1 TB Velociraptor or whatever else I happen to have lying around gathering dust, lol.
@@fredashay Nice! I use usb hard drive for my data and internal drive for install, but your setup sounds really interesting.
@@blueberrydreams7799 It's a Supermicro case. Was pretty reasonable, actually. I don't need alien faces and colored neon lights inside my case, lol.
I'm watching this video after installing Debian. But I still liked your video.
good video, nicely explained.
The most appealing thing about Debian to me is that whenever folks describe Debians cons, they all look like pros to me.
Aight, I will install it after watching this then lol
I use Debian 12 as a server and proxmox template. Like it 👍🏻
Good analysis
I used Debian last time around 10 years ago, and the experience was... okay. Being stable didn't do anything for me personally, and the problems that came from being an old distro started to appear and I move out of it. Nowadays I think it's a lot easier to use Debian with Flatpaks, AppImages and Snaps, since it means that generally - you could have a rock solid OS, and up to date programs.
Personally, I'm happy on Arch Linux and I like being up to date so Debian's main selling point doesn't do much for me, but it's clear why it's a good distro and well respected in the Linux space. I would never recommend it for a beginner though.
I love Debian, that stability and big repos are all I look for in an operating system. You're still right about all your complaints and people should keep that in mind, everyone's talking about Debian 12 like it's going to be a bleeding edge distro from now on just because it has current DEs, but a year or two down the line, it's going to be horribly outdated. If you care at all about new packages, don't use Debian. I don't, so I'll be switching back to my boy from Manjaro eventually. Just need to stop being lazy.
The solution: Debian testing. Try it, it's a way more stable than you may think.
@@thomasgoirand488 It's still less stable than Debian stable and more outdated than most other rolling release distros, the worst of all worlds. I'm not a big fan. I don't really need the most recent packages.
Just migrated from Windows to Debian last week. The installation is quite okay. Most things are good out of the box.
But tweaking takes almost a whole week for me. Luckily GPT helped me a lot on configuring and troubleshooring.
It's amazing that it's so comfortable that I don't want to boot into Windows anymore unless I have to.
I only installed Debian 12 because it supports 32 bit laptops, as I have a pretty old laptop with very limited specs (even storage space is less than 100GB), so it was like a revival to the laptop, so far I'm not facing any issues because it's no professional use just for basic home use, so I guess it should be fine
Some people just want their computer to work without having to wonder what that thing is going to do, or break after an update. Not just people who use their computer for work.
Thanks for your video mr horn i use Fedora KDE and Linux Mint Cinnamon
I downloaded the netinst version because it was small and I thought that I could install whatever and however I wanted. How wrong I was. I chose both gnome and xfce and it took 3 goddamn hours
Iam Murdock's legacy lives on
I recently had an issue with firefox not playing prime videos I could not update endeavor nor firefox, would I have the same issue with debian not being able to update firefox?
@5:08 Love the shade against Gentoo 😆
i want a dev environment and where i deploy is also debian the Kde is a bonus because i already used windows
My first move to linux from win 11 was fedora..and had a problems with it(lol) at first it was ok but more further it was going the more errors i get,i was quick on words about it..screen flicker ..sometimes vlc freezes the video for 2 sec..etc..and constant gnome shell notification alert that something isnt working properly..and the last drop that spilled the glass, was that you cannot do timeshift to external usb hard as a backup(when you live boot it dosent allow you to install fedoras backup tool)..so if os brakes you can do a clean install..but then i though what distro is major and has gnome interface to select..well debian 12..i was stunned how stable it is..with no error reports, no flickering, videos runs smoothy..ok packages are not the newest but that is the point of stability..bleeding edge distros are for testers mainly..not a casual user..ok debian requires a little more terminal but all in all..for me it is a best gnome distro out there..if i can call it a distro lol:D rather Universal OS..fast boot..stable nice looking..just wow..if there was an option to timeshift fedoras btrfs file system..I will never write this comment..and prayed for next update to fix things :D p.s. i totaly agree with older stuff on debian..nvidia drivers what repo is offering is 525..i would say install and forget it for some longer time..but after fedora..and all distros with newest features which brakes every once in a while, i say learn that terminal and dive into debian 12, set it up and use it with no fear to something brake..ok only if you do it on purpose i think xD
Immutable diestros is the way. Everything else is left behind bitting the dust.
Using Debian 12 32-Bit with MATE on my Old Toshiba Satalite A135, It is FAR from the best desktop, but runs WAY better than Win10. I litterly just use it for watching videos in bed. Tried something better like Cinnamon, but I had issues with Lutrus/Wine, and videos just didn't work as well.
Debian is fine for gaming, I do it all the time. However you do have to know what you're doing if you're trying to play the latest AAA, but for older titles or indie gaming Debian stable works great. Debian is one of the best distros for everything, screw Arch and Fedora!
Yes, the Debian 12 Installer sucks. It crashed my UEFI Windows 10 system when GRUB 2.0 failed to install and exited. The system became unbootable and no amount of effort to fix the EFI Windows boot succeeded. The Installer also couldn't detect my ethernet network connection to the internet. Kept faulting on IPv6.
Grub doesn't overwrite any Windows partitions unless you force it too. The Windows boot manager should still be intact. On most UEFI systems you can explicetly select between bootloaders if one drive contains several.
For the IPV6 issue, I don't quite understand what the problem is. Most Network cards nowadays support both simultaniously or just use the one they get faster (via the router and DHCP)
I'm a new Linux user, I tried to do a full-system upgrade from Bullseye to Bookworm and my PC was unable to boot up, I Googled around with no luck and eventually just tried thee liv so I can save my files and do a clean install over it. I struggled to find the password of the Debian-Live was, but in the end, everything worked fine, and happy with it.
I'm glad it worked out 😅
and here is why i suggest devuan based on debian or even better refracta...
Honestly, I have been using a multitude of linux distros for many years. Latest...greatest....Arch Linux, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, Fedora, Ubuntu (all derivatives), and so many more. At this point all I want is a stable experience that doesn't break and isn't changed every month/week/day. Yes, it will get less current over time but there's definitely something to be said for "it just works" and leave it at that.
I want to use it bc I think the logo looks nice 😔
Ya, right, I downloaded Debian to try on my VM. It took several hours to load up, and then the audio part would not work right. I also tried Zorin OS and had no trouble at all. Also, you cannot get help with Debian but you can with the Zorin Community. So, which do you thin people want to use?
if you install Debian without the live cd, there's a section that you need to choose a DE for your computer
I installed Debian 12 and no crash no bug, no problem so far...run fine, nvidia and so on...blender, gimp, kdenlive, meshroom. unreal engine, adobe substance, Davinci...all works flawlessly....smooth, sleek...try yourself, dont follow any suggestion...Distro Hoping is not good....Debian based, arch based are still on bumpy rooad...if you want rock solid and stable distro...consider Rocky, Alma, CentOS (that is it).... OriginPC eone-15x (AMD R9 3950x)
debian server to desktop has minimal packages
Currently using 12 testing (trixie) ita mixed bag, especially with drivers. Especially Nvidia/Cuda
Why this distro still insists on installing 47 games plus a Thai terminal is completely beyond me.
Did you use the net install iso?
it's Gnome's fault, that's what they provide by default and it's not modified for debian unlike other distros
@@Ben-hg3bz Actually I did, and installed just the stock Debian with no DE. Then I installed the base Gnome DE, so I missed all the extra junk.
People behind debian take their time with testing but what you get is fully woring distro which basicaly guarantees that it will work with hardware the intend to support. I personally love debian and i might switch over to it instead on windows 11 or 12. It does have learning curve but with graphical user interface does make things easier for newbees. I am not power user but i have good understanding over commands and can use them. Debian doesn't support proprietary software but simce it's yours to do what you want they still maintain them. You can use it for whatever you want.
I'm not sure what you mean by the default ISO being "advanced". Can you elaborate? I just installed Debian 12 about 6 times on VMs to give it a test drive with each Desktop Environment and I found it to be perfectly usable for anyone who has installed an operating system in the last 10 years. Sure it looks antiquated and doesn't have a live feature, but I found it intuitive, at the very least.
Otherwise, your criticisms are valid but as you pointed out, they're also strengths. I think the main thing I agree with, is that all additional software/games/etc should be optional or excluded by default. For this reason, I used to install Debian from a minimal ISO and manually install what I wanted from scratch.
2nd time here.... Just want to say that finding the right version is easy as long as you know how to read :)
Went and installed on my test bed system. Worked as I expected, no surprises. But not to the point where I'd go changing our daily drivers away from MINT. Why we're still running MINT some 4 years on? We like it, it has been stable, and it is NOT MS Windows 10.
I'M ON THE HYPE TRAIN!!
I hear how good Debian 12 is, but I am concerned it uses Linux Kernal 6.1, and I have some recent AMD 7800x3d CPU and AMD RADEON 7800xt gpu which need Linux Kernal 6.4 and up. Is there a way to use a newer kernal with it? I guess just goto another distro which uses the most recent linux kernal version. On April 25th, Ubuntu 24.04 LTS is coming out and it will use Linux Kernal 6.8. But then I hear Ubuntu is not good; mainly because of SNAP and that they don't care much about the desktop anymore. For now, I just use Win11 but thinking which Linux distro is the best. I see in other videos that ARCH and DEBIAN are the 2 main ones they recondmend.
There is the testing branch for Debian 13 which you can enable, however it could break at some point since its testing. In reality, this happens close to never as packages have already gone through a lot of testing, but not everything is updated in the same pace if some problems occur.
Desktop Environments for example are sometimes not consisting of a full release, but a selection of dependencies that are updated, and some that aren't yet
Simple correction: Debian does not have a standard desktop. The preinstalled programs come from the App Suites of the DEs (like GNOME).
Wanting the *newest stuff* in software is like wanting a prototype phone. Like, why would I want the iPhone 15, or whatever, *before* it hits the market? Why would I want the testing prototype? Which is guaranteed to be unstable in a few hardware & software areas. That's why it's still being tested. Is it cool to get your hands on that prototype? Yeah, it's interesting, it's exciting! But if I want something *reliable* so that I can *work*, then no thank you to the "latest and greatest". Just give me something that has been tested and improved in the last 6-12 months. Something that I can be sure works great, and gives me no headaches. I want to work. I don't want shiny things that are not guaranteed to function reliably.
Software that was updated yesterday will *always have a few issues*. The more changes that were done to it, the more issues it will have.
Every distro has its purpose. Can't compare them in a vacuum. Like "Arch has newer stuff. Debian is 2 years behind." Ok, true. But what do you want from your distro? You use super new hardware? Play games? You want the latest improvements in the video drivers? Go with Arch. You do boring work to pay boring bills? Go with Debian. You do both? Install both!
I dove in head first, steam runs wonderfully. I've had zero issues with native linux games running the Nvidia proprietary drivers. The proton games with gold and platinum compatibility I've had zero problems with. Flatpak and Snap work great. The Gnome software store is an absolute dog, it's so slow. Virtualbox isn't available natively yet unfortunately.
the g in gnome is silent.
edit: I've learned this is wrong, but I don't like it!
updated from 11 to 12 and desktop never loads anymore inside virtualbox
1:54 "Stable is not always good: most users don't care about stability"
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
- _George Orwell: 1984_