@@gregniedzialek5770 Plymouth came up with GTX because GTO was already taken. Really didn't stand for anything. Plymouth later called the GTX the gentleman's muscle car. Mike
My dad bought his 69 440 GTX brand new when he came back from Vietnam. In 1985 he died from Joe Camel and the Marlboro Man. 2 months before he died he gave it to me I still have it, the only thing changed on the car are the wearable parts.
I have a 72 RR that I bought when I was 19 in the Navy during the Vietnam War and I still drive it. I've only changed the wearable parts too. It's 52 years old, I went through it 5 years ago, it's a brand new old muscle car . 340 automatic. From Texas 🤠🥳
I got a 13.65 @100.84 mph out of my 69 coronet R/T back in the day,3.55 gears and 440 mag. Still have that thing though it just sits now not neglected though.
I had a 68 GTX and it was a beast. I also own a 64 Dodge Polara with a mild built 440. People on this sight comparing Toyota's to this GTX is like comparing a SCUD missile to a Patriot. Sox and Martin raced with GTX's not Camry's. lol
I find it ironic that even in '69 people were already complaining about computers in cars; I suspect this is more a vacuum valve and links more than electronic in this case.
Saw a mildly beefed 69 Road Runner 440 4bbl aluminum intake,4500 stall convertor w/ 4.10 gears run 11 sec 1/4 mile on stock modern tires through the mufflers at Great Lakes Dragway Union Grove, Wis. in 2001. Car looked dead stock!!!!! Beautiful to watch launch,too. It never lifted the front wheels up, it lifted the WHOLE BODY and took off!!!! My dad said it reminded him of the Super Stock Dodges of the early 60's. He put slicks on and ran a 10.95 w/ open headers..... Con't....
i always am amazed when my grandfather tells me stories of these cars and what they used to do , and when i watch these video's and i actually see facts i try to still imagine the stories and tell myself please these cars are way faster then what they are showing . All my grandfather ever talks about is his GTX and how he use to smoke everything on the road .
They were fast 4 second or better 0-60 and 12 second 1/4 mile.. The tests were done on a crappy dirty, slippery track. Look at the take off the car sits while the tires are spinning,so the clock is running and the car is sitting and spinning.. I have a bone stock 68 Charger R/T 440 and it outruns my 2010 Challenger SRT-8 ! Both stock !!
Keep in mind what your grandpa would have been up against back in the day. It IS true, most V6 sedans of today could beat a 440 GTX. But most modern V6 sedans could also beat 1960s Maseratis, Jaguars and definitely Porsches. A Porsche 911S was in the high 7-second range to 60, and a Jaguar E-type was barely under 7. There are VERY few cars from the 60s that could outrun a current mid-level Lexus or BMW. The hottest Ferraris could probably do it, maybe the top-level 427 Vette. But not much else. So your grandpa was right, his GTX would have been among the absolute heavyweights back then, it's just that what was fast then and what is fast now are worlds apart. A modern 5.0 Mustang would have been a solid competitor in the NASCAR races of the 60s, bone stock!
Same for my Dad,he tells me all the time about how he beat everything that jumped beside him in his 70 Challenger 383. The good ol days,wish I came up in the 70's...
Yeah, and today, some v6s could not only outrun yesteryear's V8s, today's V6s can get 20+ MPG, last 200,000 miles, start in the rain or cold, and never need a tuneup.
Wow the Mopar 440 Super Commando made 375 hp at ONLY 4600 rpm!!! I always knew the 440 was a bad motha, especially the 440 Six Barrel/Six Pack but I didn't quite realize it had that kind of power. Probably makes 440-450 horsepower by the time it hits 6000 rpm. And they had very good street manners compared to the 426 Hemi. You really had to know how to properly tune a Hemi in order to own one. They needed periodic valve adjustments and stuff like that. The 426 Hemi, which was originally designed for use in NASCAR, runs best at high RPM. Not a very good engine for everyday street use. But still the baddest big block of the true muscle car era
I may have already posted this but I can't remember. I went to high school with a guy that drove one of these to school. This was in 1991 if I recall correctly. His had some rust spots under the paint and had the 383, not the 440. It was the coolest car on the lot and there were lots of cars. I last saw him walking across the college parking lot and we spoke for a moment. He had gotten married and said "the wife convinced me to sell the Plymouth, I am trying to buy it back." I'm still single and I am so glad I kept the 1972 truck I drove to that high school. Hang onto your old cars if you can.....you can always get another wife. :)
I worked with a guy who has a restored '68 Charger 440. He said he told the wife that he would never sell it unless he found a car he wanted more. Women, man!
Something was wrong with your friends Plymouth GTX He must have replaced the standard 440 motor with a 383 or the car he was driving was a Sport Satellite with an optional 383.
My dad had one of these brand new he got it as soon as he got back from Vietnam. New it ran 13's but after he put on some mohoc drag tires it ran 11's low 12's. His fastest time ever was 11.11 126mph. His had a 4.10 rear end and the automatic. Growing up we had 3 cases full of trophys he won with that car I wish I could find it and buy it. Everybody in my family says it's there dream car. All my uncles and cousins had muscle cars like chevelle 454 nova SS, Camaro RS/SS, Olds 442 and they all said dads was the fastest by a lot. They actually said the car was a freak of mechanical engineering and ran way faster then it should have but dad worked at Chrysler so who knows what he ordered or had done to it but he swears it was bone stock except the tires. They said it would outrun the hemi roadrunners through the quarter but the hemis would blow by him right after the line like he was setting still. His was the 440 magnum super commando tan with black vinyl top. Now according to this my 2014 Dodge Avenger is faster then dads GTX but that's stock tires of course but my car does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds and a 1/4 in 14.2 which is damn good for a 3500lbs V6 3.6 but I highly highly doubt it. For one I have seen the time slips and trophies for his car compared to mine so I know better.
There's literally no way that car at full weight with slicks ran 11.1 factory stock, it must have had a cam, headers, more displacement, head work, something.
in 82 our landlord owned a white 69 gtx 440 convertible with cragar ss mags. He took me out for a few drives, even raced a couple of cars top down. I owned many rare mopars myself incl a 70 roadrunner conv. Thanks Michel.
Neighbor's step dad had a gloss black 69 GTX, back in the mid 80's. 440-4spd car. I was a kid so don't know what performance mods were done, but it would absolutely annihilate those fat Mickey's in the rear through all four gears!!! Garage kept and always under a car cover. We weren't allowed anywhere near it. The man adored that car, and for good reason. With the fatties out back and skinnies up front that car looked and sounded like a beast. And it was!
@cabraden1 First off, this is a GTX, not a GTO. And yes, they did have an air intake system available - known as the Air Grabber. It's a fiberglass box that attaches to the bottom of the hood and draws air through the tops of the bulges in the hood. If the Air Grabber was chosen, orange mesh inserts replaced the black solid aluminum ones that were standard. Speaking of standard, the Air Grabber was standard with the Hemi in '69, option code N96. Trust me, I owned one, hence my screen name.
I sat behind my dad hanging on to the bars of the headrest as the ole man banged gears as we beat his buddy’s road runner . It was the twin to this but 4 speed . I was maybe 5 .
Definitely my bag. Love B-Body Mopars. My favorite muscle cars. The Roadrunner/Super Bee were generally the lightest and quickest of the bunch depending on options, engine, trans, axle ratio etc. The GTX and Dodge Coronet R/T were more of an upscale executive muscle car like an Olds 442 or Buick GS. The thing I do like better about the GTX/Coronet R/T is that the 440 was the base engine instead of the HiPo 383 that came standard in the Roadrunner/Super Bee. All could be had with the 426 Hemi too though
I think it’s cool how Bud Lindemann says GIT X! The cars back then were so cool and he knew it!!! Sounded like a beast and made me think some decent wheels and tires would chop seconds off these times.
My cousin bought one of these in 1976. $1000. In 1978,I bought a 69 Torino GT with a 428SCJ and 4.30 posi for $650 and the dealer said that he just sold a 67 Hemi Dart the week before. Yes.that's what he said. A guy in my autoshop class had a 67 L-88 Corvette,another had a 440 'Cuda.Another guy had a 68 GTO... And the rich kids at Midland High had Pacers or Granadas.lol Because of the OPEC oil embargo,Musclecars,especially the big block cars, were, dirt cheap,until about 1980...we either wrecked,or junked 'em..Ha ha!
If you look at today's cars, we've come a long way. Stock 0-60 time on my 96 Integra GSR is 7.1 secs on a 4 cyl 30mpg car with better cornering. Impressive considering that's the exact same stock time for this GTX that likely gets half the gas mileage. Nevertheless, I can't deny that the GTX is a beautiful car. I know some of the new 4 cyls can keep up, but there's still something about the feel and sound of well-tuned classic muscle that makes my heart pump and brings a smile to my face! =)
Those times are with god awful garbage skinny tires...spinning the tires takes alot out of your 0-60 mph and / or 60 foot times..that car with modern rubber easily does 0-60 in under 6 seconds, and of course would handle much better. Lets see your GSR do a burn out like that lol....
street max cars weighed about 3550 to 3700 pounds, 115 mph in the 1/4 mile was possible with 9 inch wide slicks of the day. they had 450 to 475 hp at the crank
I was a "driver mechanic "in 69 and was often the 4 sp performance driver. I am so sad i can't find me in a picture. I didn't take picture cause that was illegal around development projects. My honorable discharge got me the best job ever.
If only cars today had the personality and performance of cars of yesterday, and without the computers controlling every little thing the car does. You, the driver, control the car, and not the computer. :)
Sweet video. For their day, the GTX was one of the best handling big-inch cars on the road. Anyone else notice the at-length description of the Air Grabber system that this one didn't have, even though they said it did? It's a little hard to squeeze that fiberglass box in there with the A/C compressor installed.
"It makes the driver feel as though he is driving the thing and not a computer" hearing that in 2019 is pretty funny. If only they knew what was coming
I remember my dad ordered a hemi roadrunner with bench seats and automatic on the column! First person in the showroom bought the car! Too bad I never got to abuse it before someone bought it!
I owned a 70 440+6 GTX 4spd Ramcharger hood. Stock crank rods pistons, heads & valve sizes. Racer brown flat tappet 509 lift with sealed power anti pump up lifters. With slicks, headers and better rear gears it went 11.89 in the 1/4.
Yeah, when they pop the hood and you see those screw caps on the battery, you know it's the 70's or earlier. Like a rotary dial on a telephone. Or rabbit ears on th TV. Gosh, as Archie and Edith sang, those were the days.
"It ain't no Hemi mama, but it's quick". --------------- "If you're a car buyer that falls in the family category, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘻𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨, this one could be your bag". "The best Get-X yet"... Hell yeah
Fine by me. I'd definitely settle for a 440. Better street engine than the 1966-69 solid lifter Street Hemi's. But the 70-71 Hemi's became a more refined street engine because they used a hydraulic cam for emissions reasons
Its funny how some people post comments about how today's are faster than a 45 year old muscle car. A Hellcat and Super Snake are about 60 grand, and a Ford SHO is only a 13 second car, just like some muscle cars are 13 second cars.... even though most are 14 or 15 second cars. A muscle car's performance from the 70's is still respectable by today's standard.
fastcop136 People that have only driven modern cars and don't have any skills for a 45 year old car won't understand, but they can hang in the corners as good as any equivalent assembly line car today. All you gotta do is strap on some modern radial tires and some large brass.....
+gtn383ci I'm sorry but these old cars will still handle like absolute hell with modern tires. Their suspension is awful from a performance standpoint, grippy tires will only further exploit the already atrocious body roll. A modern equivalent would be a Hellcat, and that would blow the doors off of this thing in the corners. And Hellcats don't corner very well by today's standards. Muscle cars look cool, sound great, and are a ton of fun, I love them. But they are not fast in the corners without extensive pro-touring modifications.
The muscle cars from the 60's & 70's were fast but in the day we always had traction problems, braking issues and we never worried about handling because most didnt especially the big blocks. Today, the new cars launch much better, run more consistently, handle and brake much better. Would I rather have a 68 Charger R/T than a 2016 Charger Hemi? Hell yes but the new one will out perform the old one in everyway but looks and nostalgia.
MY FRIEND GOT HIS ROYALTY CHECK FOR THE HIT "TIME WONT WAIT FOREVER" FOR PLAYING LEAD GUITAR IN THE GROUP THE "RIPTIDES" AND ORDER A DRK BLUE 69 GTX WITH A 426 HEMI. HE HAD TO WAIT 12 WEEKS AND GOT IT WITH A 4 SPEED! WOW
I bought a 1969 Road Runner 383 new. It had a STIFF suspension. On the BQE headed toward the Williamsburg, I had to slow it real down cause it would jump lanes because of the piss poor road surface. 4 speed, 3.23 gears, boy did that like to cruise at 80 mph.
I wish Car and Track did a review on the Road Runner instead. I love the stripped-down nature of that car.....just a bench seat, 3 speed on the floor, and 383 cubes of go up front. Still, the GTX was awesome.
People who would compare this car to a V6 imported grocery getter just don't get it. I grin ear to ear every time I slide behind the huge ribbon-thin steering wheel of my matching numbers B7 69 GTX and twist the pentastar key! As for the highly touted performance of the Camry, I have seen many implode in my rear view as my RB motor sings its strident battle cry! Bet that Camry won't be a standard to compare contemporary performance vehicles to 48 years from now!
Ohhahaha That is Sooo Cool !! And Funny at the Same Time !! 😁👍Watching That Boat do the Cones and a little Curvy Turning Really wasn't what I was Expecting ! Next The Challenger. I Think I've seen that in Tran Am. 😉✌️
Big O' straight line car. I had a 1969 Plymouth Satellite 318, looked like a Road Runner, blue very pretty car. As sports cars these cars were lacking big time, I now have a Dodge Intrepid with the cop package and it is a real handler on corners, 3.5 v6 250 hp.
All old muscle cars would run 12's today with just a set street legal drag radials. Many of these cars ran 13's with skinny goodyear "polyglass" tires. Add modern carb and your going even faster. Today we have twin turbo V-8's running between running up to 2000 HP on the street..Dodge Ford or Chevy..take your pick they are out there. 01 thur 04 Z06's run 12's stock. A set of Michelins & bolts ons and your N 11's with no turbo/nitrous/blower 180MPH+ top end 4 about 30 grand.Sound like a deal..
It always makes me laugh when people compare '60's and '70's cars to todays cars. How cars of today can completely out perform those cars in every way. Well NO SHIT Sherlock. That's over 40 years difference in technological advancement. Try going back 40 years before the 60's and compare the performance of those cars to the cars of the '60's and '70's. Basically you are doing the same thing.
Just another little fact about the sixties muscle cars, back in the sixties Car & Driver recorded a 0 to 60 with a Pontiac Catalina, and recorded 3.9 seconds. Can only imagine if it had decent tires...
Even though the tires sucked the 1/4 mile MPH will be very close to the same with bias ply or slicks, a 3.23 or 3.91 rear ratio. The 1/4 mile speed indicates the amount of power the car has to the wheels and really doesn’t change much due to traction or gearing. A 1969 Plymouth GTX 440 with a factory tune, through the mufflers would run about 96 mph in the quarter. That equates to a minimum elapsed time for that speed of 14.09 seconds. Its just not capable of running 13’s in street trim.
Love the car, I had a 69 RR, but if you have to use power to rotate the car it is not going to run the course fast. Most of the big 3's 400+ CI engine cars in stock condition just don't put out the kind of trap speed that would get you anywhere but solidly in the 13's. So good but not much beyond quick even when you give them traction.
I don't know. Several cars I had ran 100mph in the quarter, stock. That is more than enough for 13's. 70 383 RR, 66' GTO 389 Tripower, 69' Dart Swinger, 69 Olds F85 W31, 65' Impala SS 396 did it pretty easily. The ones that ran much better than expected were the 67' Belvedere with a 383/4 Speed, and the 70 Sport Fury with a 440. The real shocker was the 71 Buick 225 4 door hardtop with a Stage 1 455, and a 3.15 Posi rear. It was heavy enough it just hooked and went, and even at close to 5000lbs it ran 99.1 mph! All of them just had a sharp tuneup, and some had aftermarket wheels and tires. Some had some serious gears in them but were factory - the W31 olds 350 had a 4.30 gear from the factory! Most were 3.55-3.91 however.
"...makes you feel YOU drive the car and not some computer". Illumitati confirmed. First of all, nobody knew what a computer was in those days, and secondly would the guy have realised that he used prophetic words?
+Ronald de Rooij I knew what a computer was then..it was those things on voyage to the bottom of the sea,lost in space & time tunnel with the blinking colored lights all over them.
+boardskins I am pretty sure that in 1968 99% of the population in the Netherlands did not know what a computer was. I think I first heard of the existance of computers in 1970. I got my first (very expensive) pocket calculator in 1972 and I used a PC for the first time at University of Amsterdam in 1989. Oh yes I had to make weird cards with holes in them in 1987. Apparently those things were fed into the University computer. I think the USA was a few years ahead of Europe in that respect.
+Ronald...Lindeman was talking out of his ass...circuit boards were used, and ecm's were in their infancy, but failed too often to be integrated into production...I think he could read the handwriting on the wall, that computers were coming, but the old fart wasn't impressed with 'em....I mean this guy probably pounded down Jack Daniels for breakfast, inhaled a 16oz Porterhouse. for dinner, and smoked Pall Mall non-filters for desert.
my neighbor bought one from the classifieds for 1.700 and it was built and had dragway stickers on the rear window it did 12 seconds in the quarter it was a true bullet
Had bronze / or copper color one in late seventies. Remember the sound of wot, had 50's on back, and then with stupid gas prices I had to sell it. Man I wish I'd kept it in storage.
@MrPFFlyer yeah, I was there. I had one, all my friends had cars like that. I had a 69 Mustang Boss 302, my chums had Hemi Chargers, Ford Torino SCJ's, Challengers, Camaros, you name it. They are fond memories but don't compare to a new car. A new Mustang V6 will outrun most of them.
Actually Hot Rod tested it at 12.6, yes the motor was stock, the tranny was stock. the car was not lightened. they added 4.56 gears and slicks. The slicks of the days were not that great, traction was a problem still. This was the street max wedge in a full weight car, not a light weight package car. no hood scoop.
To all the nay sayers, negative folks & general strokes: We're you even there when these beasts were rusting away in the mid 70's? The people who love these cars tried like hell to keep them going despite waitin' in a gas line for a couple hours. We drove them 'cause they were WAY better than the new 76 Mustang II or the Vegas that was gettin' shoved down our throats. Those aforementioned cars were truly P(ieces)OS and if you didn't live then, shut the F up, you don't know squat.
Shhhiiiiiitttt my 1976 Ford LTD does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds at half throttle with the 400 V8 :D No disrespect intended. I love these videos and i sure as hell love Plymouth and Dodge.
@iplayveryloud Say what you want, blame it all on the tires, but a lot of the problem has to do with power:weight ratio. This car is nearly 1000lbs heavier than my car. It won't get away that easily, and with the sloppy cornering of a car that heavy with rear wheel drive, I could keep up easily on a road track.
I wouldn't be so sure Michael Keegan those polyglas tires had extra plys put into them for better grip in I think 1970 you might be right thou I'm go in to have to relook it up
Over 7 sec to get to 60 miles per hour. 3 seconds of the time was spent just burning rubber. Tire technology wasn't the best for gripping back then. Rubber compounds were so much different too. I imaging with the proper grip the 0-60 times would have been below 5 sec.
Btw 2:75:1 is a pretty tall gearing ratio, will probably save you a lot of gas.. and make your Ford a lovely cruiser.. 40-50 mph just off idle sounds relaxing... :)
I am almost 66 and a true gear head. This is the first time I have ever heard a GTX called a gettix or Jittix.
C moore trying to create an acronym like GOAT
What did GTX stand for?
@@gregniedzialek5770 Plymouth came up with GTX
because GTO was already taken. Really didn't
stand for anything. Plymouth later called the
GTX the gentleman's muscle car. Mike
Gran Touring eXperimental.
Some kinda chrome cricket? We don't need that horn...
My dad bought his 69
440 GTX brand new when he came back from Vietnam.
In 1985 he died from Joe Camel and the Marlboro Man. 2 months before he died he gave it to me I still have it, the only thing changed on the car are the wearable parts.
Wow. What a story. I love it. And I luuuv these cars. You have a gem. I can only dream.
I love these video's too. It's stunning indeed.
@@johanbrand8601 thanks, I REALLY wish my dad was here, But the car is a dream.
Just found a 69 GTX in Florida. 95% of the car is
still there. I am getting the car even if I have to sell
my soul. Mike
Thats so awesome! RIP to your Dad
I have a 72 RR that I bought when I was 19 in the Navy during the Vietnam War and I still drive it. I've only changed the wearable parts too. It's 52 years old, I went through it 5 years ago, it's a brand new old muscle car . 340 automatic. From Texas 🤠🥳
I got a 13.65 @100.84 mph out of my 69 coronet R/T back in the day,3.55 gears and 440 mag.
Still have that thing though it just sits now not neglected though.
I had a 68 GTX and it was a beast. I also own a 64 Dodge Polara with a mild built 440. People on this sight comparing Toyota's to this GTX is like comparing a SCUD missile to a Patriot. Sox and Martin raced with GTX's not Camry's. lol
"It aint no HEMI mama" LMAO.......love this show and the catchy phrases.
I find it ironic that even in '69 people were already complaining about computers in cars; I suspect this is more a vacuum valve and links more than electronic in this case.
I never knew the GTX could handle like that. Pretty impressive for a car that size, especially with the "Polyglide" tires.
"Down the 1/4 mile route to Squeelsville".......... love it
Bud's copy was onomatopoeia 100%
This is cool
The Gittics has a crazy set of legs!...on the quarter-mile route to Squeelsville!!
it ain't no hemi mama, but it moves!
karl kamphefner - pass the bongos daddy-oh !
Nice... I always liked the '69 tail lights on the GTX and Road Runner😏👍🚗🏡
Very surprised how well the gtx handled all those tests definitely a daily driver
My buddy had a 69 roadrunner with a 383. 4spd white with a black vinyl top. Loved that car!
I had a buddy decades ago with a brown 1970 Cuda 440 six-pack 4 speed, that sucka moved!
I am 65 and when i was a teen i couldnt wait for this show to come one, Bud was a great and honest guy.
Love these old tests that describe the styling in detail as if the viewer is blind.
'69 was the best looking model for sure.
69 was cool, but 67 was the best.
My favorite GTX is the original...the 67
@@karlkamphefner8529 There all good and I most definitely would not forget about the 71!.
Saw a mildly beefed 69 Road Runner 440 4bbl aluminum intake,4500 stall convertor w/ 4.10 gears run 11 sec 1/4 mile on stock modern tires through the mufflers at Great Lakes Dragway Union Grove, Wis. in 2001. Car looked dead stock!!!!! Beautiful to watch launch,too. It never lifted the front wheels up, it lifted the WHOLE BODY and took off!!!! My dad said it reminded him of the Super Stock Dodges of the early 60's. He put slicks on and ran a 10.95 w/ open headers..... Con't....
i always am amazed when my grandfather tells me stories of these cars and what they used to do , and when i watch these video's and i actually see facts i try to still imagine the stories and tell myself please these cars are way faster then what they are showing . All my grandfather ever talks about is his GTX and how he use to smoke everything on the road .
They were fast 4 second or better 0-60 and 12 second 1/4 mile..
The tests were done on a crappy dirty, slippery track.
Look at the take off the car sits while the tires are spinning,so the clock is running and the car is sitting and spinning..
I have a bone stock 68 Charger R/T 440 and it outruns my 2010 Challenger SRT-8 ! Both stock !!
grampy is right...... i grew up back then...a lot of fun and i was paying 45 cents a gallon in 1976
Keep in mind what your grandpa would have been up against back in the day. It IS true, most V6 sedans of today could beat a 440 GTX. But most modern V6 sedans could also beat 1960s Maseratis, Jaguars and definitely Porsches. A Porsche 911S was in the high 7-second range to 60, and a Jaguar E-type was barely under 7. There are VERY few cars from the 60s that could outrun a current mid-level Lexus or BMW. The hottest Ferraris could probably do it, maybe the top-level 427 Vette. But not much else.
So your grandpa was right, his GTX would have been among the absolute heavyweights back then, it's just that what was fast then and what is fast now are worlds apart. A modern 5.0 Mustang would have been a solid competitor in the NASCAR races of the 60s, bone stock!
Same for my Dad,he tells me all the time about how he beat everything that jumped beside him in his 70 Challenger 383. The good ol days,wish I came up in the 70's...
Yeah, and today, some v6s could not only outrun yesteryear's V8s, today's V6s can get 20+ MPG, last 200,000 miles, start in the rain or cold, and never need a tuneup.
Wow the Mopar 440 Super Commando made 375 hp at ONLY 4600 rpm!!! I always knew the 440 was a bad motha, especially the 440 Six Barrel/Six Pack but I didn't quite realize it had that kind of power. Probably makes 440-450 horsepower by the time it hits 6000 rpm. And they had very good street manners compared to the 426 Hemi. You really had to know how to properly tune a Hemi in order to own one. They needed periodic valve adjustments and stuff like that. The 426 Hemi, which was originally designed for use in NASCAR, runs best at high RPM. Not a very good engine for everyday street use. But still the baddest big block of the true muscle car era
I may have already posted this but I can't remember. I went to high school with a guy that drove one of these to school. This was in 1991 if I recall correctly. His had some rust spots under the paint and had the 383, not the 440. It was the coolest car on the lot and there were lots of cars.
I last saw him walking across the college parking lot and we spoke for a moment. He had gotten married and said "the wife convinced me to sell the Plymouth, I am trying to buy it back."
I'm still single and I am so glad I kept the 1972 truck I drove to that high school. Hang onto your old cars if you can.....you can always get another wife. :)
I worked with a guy who has a restored '68 Charger 440. He said he told the wife that he would never sell it unless he found a car he wanted more. Women, man!
PotatoGunsRule yup still have my 69 charger rt grom i high school i bought in 1976😊
Hopefully, a wife who loves old muscle cars too! There are lots of 'em out there!!!
to bad he put the 383 in.. it came with a 440 or a hemi
Something was wrong with your friends Plymouth GTX
He must have replaced the standard 440 motor with a 383 or the car he was driving was a Sport Satellite with an optional 383.
My dad had one of these brand new he got it as soon as he got back from Vietnam. New it ran 13's but after he put on some mohoc drag tires it ran 11's low 12's. His fastest time ever was 11.11 126mph. His had a 4.10 rear end and the automatic. Growing up we had 3 cases full of trophys he won with that car I wish I could find it and buy it. Everybody in my family says it's there dream car. All my uncles and cousins had muscle cars like chevelle 454 nova SS, Camaro RS/SS, Olds 442 and they all said dads was the fastest by a lot. They actually said the car was a freak of mechanical engineering and ran way faster then it should have but dad worked at Chrysler so who knows what he ordered or had done to it but he swears it was bone stock except the tires. They said it would outrun the hemi roadrunners through the quarter but the hemis would blow by him right after the line like he was setting still. His was the 440 magnum super commando tan with black vinyl top. Now according to this my 2014 Dodge Avenger is faster then dads GTX but that's stock tires of course but my car does 0-60 in 6.1 seconds and a 1/4 in 14.2 which is damn good for a 3500lbs V6 3.6 but I highly highly doubt it. For one I have seen the time slips and trophies for his car compared to mine so I know better.
Chrysler advertised 440 SixPack 4 speed cars at 13 flat... 110 mph... 4 bbl. 440's were much slower, the 4 bbl. Magnum cam was too mild...
@@BuzzLOLOL
440 gtx and runner were like 13.80 with crap TIRES
There's literally no way that car at full weight with slicks ran 11.1 factory stock, it must have had a cam, headers, more displacement, head work, something.
I just LOVE these vintage road tests.
in 82 our landlord owned a white 69 gtx 440 convertible with cragar ss mags. He took me out for a few drives, even raced a couple of cars top down. I owned many rare mopars myself incl a 70 roadrunner conv. Thanks Michel.
Neighbor's step dad had a gloss black 69 GTX, back in the mid 80's. 440-4spd car. I was a kid so don't know what performance mods were done, but it would absolutely annihilate those fat Mickey's in the rear through all four gears!!!
Garage kept and always under a car cover. We weren't allowed anywhere near it. The man adored that car, and for good reason. With the fatties out back and skinnies up front that car looked and sounded like a beast. And it was!
@cabraden1 First off, this is a GTX, not a GTO. And yes, they did have an air intake system available - known as the Air Grabber. It's a fiberglass box that attaches to the bottom of the hood and draws air through the tops of the bulges in the hood. If the Air Grabber was chosen, orange mesh inserts replaced the black solid aluminum ones that were standard. Speaking of standard, the Air Grabber was standard with the Hemi in '69, option code N96. Trust me, I owned one, hence my screen name.
Bud lindeman & crew the original "no prep" racers. I really appreciate these videos
one of my first hi-perf experiences was a friends 69 gtx convertible it was a total blast late-night top down 440 super commando, 727
I sat behind my dad hanging on to the bars of the headrest as the ole man banged gears as we beat his buddy’s road runner . It was the twin to this but 4 speed . I was maybe 5 .
oh this one is my bag alright! I'm off to my local Plymouth dealer right now! Oh wait.....
icemanroyal oh wait they shut down in 2001 rip Plymouth
Definitely my bag. Love B-Body Mopars. My favorite muscle cars. The Roadrunner/Super Bee were generally the lightest and quickest of the bunch depending on options, engine, trans, axle ratio etc. The GTX and Dodge Coronet R/T were more of an upscale executive muscle car like an Olds 442 or Buick GS. The thing I do like better about the GTX/Coronet R/T is that the 440 was the base engine instead of the HiPo 383 that came standard in the Roadrunner/Super Bee. All could be had with the 426 Hemi too though
Buy American while you still can. Oh shucks!
I miss my '70 GTX 440 Commando. I still dream about it....35 years later.
I think it’s cool how Bud Lindemann says GIT X! The cars back then were so cool and he knew it!!! Sounded like a beast and made me think some decent wheels and tires would chop seconds off these times.
My cousin bought one of these in 1976. $1000. In 1978,I bought a 69 Torino GT with a 428SCJ and 4.30 posi for $650 and the dealer said that he just sold a 67 Hemi Dart the week before. Yes.that's what he said. A guy in my autoshop class had a 67 L-88 Corvette,another had a 440 'Cuda.Another guy had a 68 GTO... And the rich kids at Midland High had Pacers or Granadas.lol Because of the OPEC oil embargo,Musclecars,especially the big block cars, were, dirt cheap,until about 1980...we either wrecked,or junked 'em..Ha ha!
loving the "slight hint of oversteer" at 4:42 as he's looking through the passengers window haha
little bit.
The only thing missing was the 1/4 mile E.T. Awesome video 💪❤ Mopar👌
That is NOT an N96 air grabber car.
If you look at today's cars, we've come a long way. Stock 0-60 time on my 96 Integra GSR is 7.1 secs on a 4 cyl 30mpg car with better cornering. Impressive considering that's the exact same stock time for this GTX that likely gets half the gas mileage. Nevertheless, I can't deny that the GTX is a beautiful car. I know some of the new 4 cyls can keep up, but there's still something about the feel and sound of well-tuned classic muscle that makes my heart pump and brings a smile to my face! =)
Those times are with god awful garbage skinny tires...spinning the tires takes alot out of your 0-60 mph and / or 60 foot times..that car with modern rubber easily does 0-60 in under 6 seconds, and of course would handle much better. Lets see your GSR do a burn out like that lol....
street max cars weighed about 3550 to 3700 pounds, 115 mph in the 1/4 mile was possible with 9 inch wide slicks of the day. they had 450 to 475 hp at the crank
I was a "driver mechanic "in 69 and was often the 4 sp performance driver. I am so sad i can't find me in a picture. I didn't take picture cause that was illegal around development projects. My honorable discharge got me the best job ever.
If only cars today had the personality and performance of cars of yesterday, and without the computers controlling every little thing the car does. You, the driver, control the car, and not the computer. :)
Jason Carpp Computers make cars faster how do you think The Hellcat and 840hp Demon exist.
Most new drivers don't have skill. Too busy with iphone, adn double double latte to worry about actually driving.
A good friend bought a new 1969 Roadrunner for I think $3500.00 , it sits in his garage with less than 35 K on it. 383 bench , Hurst shifter .
"....a slight hint of oversteer..."
....as the rear wheels slide out ahead of the driver LOL
🤣Great Comment
Sweet video. For their day, the GTX was one of the best handling big-inch cars on the road. Anyone else notice the at-length description of the Air Grabber system that this one didn't have, even though they said it did? It's a little hard to squeeze that fiberglass box in there with the A/C compressor installed.
Also the sound track was funky, either they were neutral slamming or it was a manual, but it didn't have a Dana 60!
Beautiful in all respects. I wonder tho how much better the times would have been if the driver could figure out how to hook up the tires
OMG..If only cars were made like this today.
Back when spokesman all had that two packs a day and bourbon voice...
"It makes the driver feel as though he is driving the thing and not a computer" hearing that in 2019 is pretty funny. If only they knew what was coming
“ it ain’t no hemi mama” - love it 💜
I need one of those cars. The exact same as the one in the video. It's so nice.
You have to look, but you can find them. I just did. Mike
I remember my dad ordered a hemi roadrunner with bench seats and automatic on the column! First person in the showroom bought the car! Too bad I never got to abuse it before someone bought it!
You've gotta love this clip at 4:40;
"...at high speed cornering there's a slight hint of over-steer"
Gotta love the soundtrack for the engine sounds in the slalom 🤣
I owned a 70 440+6 GTX 4spd Ramcharger hood. Stock crank rods pistons, heads & valve sizes. Racer brown flat tappet 509 lift with sealed power anti pump up lifters. With slicks, headers and better rear gears it went 11.89 in the 1/4.
68-70 b-body mopar is hard to beat.
THATS CRAZY. YOU CAN TELL THIS IS FROM THE 60S. GREAT VIDEO
Yeah, when they pop the hood and you see those screw caps on the battery, you know it's the 70's or earlier. Like a rotary dial on a telephone. Or rabbit ears on th TV. Gosh, as Archie and Edith sang, those were the days.
Great family car if you have a strong zest for life
"It ain't no Hemi mama, but it's quick".
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"If you're a car buyer that falls in the family category, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘻𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨, this one could be your bag".
"The best Get-X yet"...
Hell yeah
It ain't no Hemi mama!
Fine by me. I'd definitely settle for a 440. Better street engine than the 1966-69 solid lifter Street Hemi's. But the 70-71 Hemi's became a more refined street engine because they used a hydraulic cam for emissions reasons
@@jeremythompson9122 Strong street engine > de-tuned race engine
Its funny how some people post comments about how today's are faster than a 45 year old muscle car. A Hellcat and Super Snake are about 60 grand, and a Ford SHO is only a 13 second car, just like some muscle cars are 13 second cars.... even though most are 14 or 15 second cars. A muscle car's performance from the 70's is still respectable by today's standard.
fastcop136 People that have only driven modern cars and don't have any skills for a 45 year old car won't understand, but they can hang in the corners as good as any equivalent assembly line car today. All you gotta do is strap on some modern radial tires and some large brass.....
+gtn383ci I'm sorry but these old cars will still handle like absolute hell with modern tires. Their suspension is awful from a performance standpoint, grippy tires will only further exploit the already atrocious body roll.
A modern equivalent would be a Hellcat, and that would blow the doors off of this thing in the corners. And Hellcats don't corner very well by today's standards.
Muscle cars look cool, sound great, and are a ton of fun, I love them. But they are not fast in the corners without extensive pro-touring modifications.
The muscle cars from the 60's & 70's were fast but in the day we always had traction problems, braking issues and we never worried about handling because most didnt especially the big blocks. Today, the new cars launch much better, run more consistently, handle and brake much better. Would I rather have a 68 Charger R/T than a 2016 Charger Hemi? Hell yes but the new one will out perform the old one in everyway but looks and nostalgia.
Vaya buen video pues pura Nostalgia sobre este Plymouth gtx 440 six pack Hemi de 1969 pues
MY FRIEND GOT HIS ROYALTY CHECK FOR THE HIT "TIME WONT WAIT FOREVER" FOR PLAYING LEAD GUITAR IN THE GROUP THE "RIPTIDES" AND ORDER A DRK BLUE 69 GTX WITH A 426 HEMI. HE HAD TO WAIT 12 WEEKS AND GOT IT WITH A 4 SPEED! WOW
it was the road course that garnered real respect
It was called the air grabber on the roadrunners too they just had a decal on air cleaner saying coyote duster
Back in 1968 I was torn between a 440 Dodge Charger & a Pontiac GTO... I bought the 400 Cubic Inch GTO and it was a great choice for me,
John L you still have them
I had a 1968 GTO, that thing was powerful!
I bought a 1969 Road Runner 383 new. It had a STIFF suspension. On the BQE headed toward the Williamsburg, I had to slow it real down cause it would jump lanes because of the piss poor road surface. 4 speed, 3.23 gears, boy did that like to cruise at 80 mph.
I wish Car and Track did a review on the Road Runner instead. I love the stripped-down nature of that car.....just a bench seat, 3 speed on the floor, and 383 cubes of go up front. Still, the GTX was awesome.
This is the car I always wanted
If Bud was born 20 years later we would be getting gems like "this car is more fun than a Weekend at Bernies."
Loved the part when the presenter says "The Driver is running the thing, not the computer".
People who would compare this car to a V6 imported grocery getter just don't get it. I grin ear to ear every time I slide behind the huge ribbon-thin steering wheel of my matching numbers B7 69 GTX and twist the pentastar key! As for the highly touted performance of the Camry, I have seen many implode in my rear view as my RB motor sings its strident battle cry! Bet that Camry won't be a standard to compare contemporary performance vehicles to 48 years from now!
Ohhahaha That is Sooo Cool !! And Funny at the Same Time !! 😁👍Watching That Boat do the Cones and a little Curvy Turning Really wasn't what I was Expecting ! Next The Challenger. I Think I've seen that in Tran Am. 😉✌️
Big O' straight line car. I had a 1969 Plymouth Satellite 318, looked like a Road Runner, blue very pretty car. As sports cars these cars were lacking big time, I now have a Dodge Intrepid with the cop package and it is a real handler on corners, 3.5 v6 250 hp.
All old muscle cars would run 12's today with just a set street legal drag radials. Many of these cars ran 13's with skinny goodyear "polyglass" tires. Add modern carb and your going even faster. Today we have twin turbo V-8's running between running up to 2000 HP on the street..Dodge Ford or Chevy..take your pick they are out there. 01 thur 04 Z06's run 12's stock. A set of Michelins & bolts ons and your N 11's with no turbo/nitrous/blower 180MPH+ top end 4 about 30 grand.Sound like a deal..
It always makes me laugh when people compare '60's and '70's cars to todays cars. How cars of today can completely out perform those cars in every way. Well NO SHIT Sherlock. That's over 40 years difference in technological advancement. Try going back 40 years before the 60's and compare the performance of those cars to the cars of the '60's and '70's. Basically you are doing the same thing.
Just another little fact about the sixties muscle cars, back in the sixties Car & Driver recorded a 0 to 60 with a Pontiac Catalina, and recorded 3.9 seconds. Can only imagine if it had decent tires...
That car had a racing engine
Even though the tires sucked the 1/4 mile MPH will be very close to the same with bias ply or slicks, a 3.23 or 3.91 rear ratio. The 1/4 mile speed indicates the amount of power the car has to the wheels and really doesn’t change much due to traction or gearing. A 1969 Plymouth GTX 440 with a factory tune, through the mufflers would run about 96 mph in the quarter. That equates to a minimum elapsed time for that speed of 14.09 seconds. Its just not capable of running 13’s in street trim.
This is so satisfying!
Love the car, I had a 69 RR, but if you have to use power to rotate the car it is not going to run the course fast. Most of the big 3's 400+ CI engine cars in stock condition just don't put out the kind of trap speed that would get you anywhere but solidly in the 13's. So good but not much beyond quick even when you give them traction.
I don't know. Several cars I had ran 100mph in the quarter, stock. That is more than enough for 13's. 70 383 RR, 66' GTO 389 Tripower, 69' Dart Swinger, 69 Olds F85 W31, 65' Impala SS 396 did it pretty easily.
The ones that ran much better than expected were the 67' Belvedere with a 383/4 Speed, and the 70 Sport Fury with a 440. The real shocker was the 71 Buick 225 4 door hardtop with a Stage 1 455, and a 3.15 Posi rear. It was heavy enough it just hooked and went, and even at close to 5000lbs it ran 99.1 mph!
All of them just had a sharp tuneup, and some had aftermarket wheels and tires. Some had some serious gears in them but were factory - the W31 olds 350 had a 4.30 gear from the factory! Most were 3.55-3.91 however.
"...makes you feel YOU drive the car and not some computer". Illumitati confirmed. First of all, nobody knew what a computer was in those days, and secondly would the guy have realised that he used prophetic words?
+Ronald de Rooij No one knew what a computer was?? This was 68, not 58.
+Ronald de Rooij I knew what a computer was then..it was those things on voyage to the bottom of the sea,lost in space & time tunnel with the blinking colored lights all over them.
+boardskins I am pretty sure that in 1968 99% of the population in the Netherlands did not know what a computer was. I think I first heard of the existance of computers in 1970. I got my first (very expensive) pocket calculator in 1972 and I used a PC for the first time at University of Amsterdam in 1989. Oh yes I had to make weird cards with holes in them in 1987. Apparently those things were fed into the University computer. I think the USA was a few years ahead of Europe in that respect.
Yeah it was on the starship Enterprise and had a females voice. I think boardskins meant a pc.
+Ronald...Lindeman was talking out of his ass...circuit boards were used, and ecm's were in their infancy, but failed too often to be integrated into production...I think he could read the handwriting on the wall, that computers were coming, but the old fart wasn't impressed with 'em....I mean this guy probably pounded down Jack Daniels for breakfast, inhaled a 16oz Porterhouse. for dinner, and smoked Pall Mall non-filters for desert.
my neighbor bought one from the classifieds for 1.700 and it was built and had dragway stickers on the rear window it did 12 seconds in the quarter it was a true bullet
"Every Which Way But Loose" came out in '78. The song and the movie.🤔
Love the engine sound
Same 0-60 as my 1997 VW Passat Wagon! Somehow I'd rather have the Road Runner.
Union Blacksmith : The 440 came out in 1966. 1965 was the last year for the 413.
love the backing music
crazymanbrad cool cars and great music.
Had bronze / or copper color one in late seventies. Remember the sound of wot, had 50's on back, and then with stupid gas prices I had to sell it. Man I wish I'd kept it in storage.
@sloman571 newer cars also use fuel more efficiently, generating more horsepower with more miles per gallon than the old gas guzzlers.
"This was not the case in back, but then it never is. Unless you buy a limousine."
Great ;-)
Wonderful old car. Hopefully, my GTX looks as good as this one.
@MrPFFlyer yeah, I was there. I had one, all my friends had cars like that. I had a 69 Mustang Boss 302, my chums had Hemi Chargers, Ford Torino SCJ's, Challengers, Camaros, you name it. They are fond memories but don't compare to a new car. A new Mustang V6 will outrun most of them.
That's true. 12.5 seconds @ 114 mph, to be exact. I have a Car Life road test of that car.It also had 4.56 gears and a stock engine.
Actually Hot Rod tested it at 12.6, yes the motor was stock, the tranny was stock. the car was not lightened. they added 4.56 gears and slicks. The slicks of the days were not that great, traction was a problem still. This was the street max wedge in a full weight car, not a light weight package car. no hood scoop.
Groovy, this sort of car is my bag baby, yeah!
To all the nay sayers, negative folks & general strokes: We're you even there when these beasts were rusting away in the mid 70's? The people who love these cars tried like hell to keep them going despite waitin' in a gas line for a couple hours. We drove them 'cause they were WAY better than the new 76 Mustang II or the Vegas that was gettin' shoved down our throats. Those aforementioned cars were truly P(ieces)OS and if you didn't live then, shut the F up, you don't know squat.
That was an awesome video 👌
I miss my dads
Shhhiiiiiitttt my 1976 Ford LTD does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds at half throttle with the 400 V8 :D No disrespect intended. I love these videos and i sure as hell love Plymouth and Dodge.
@iplayveryloud
Say what you want, blame it all on the tires, but a lot of the problem has to do with power:weight ratio. This car is nearly 1000lbs heavier than my car. It won't get away that easily, and with the sloppy cornering of a car that heavy with rear wheel drive, I could keep up easily on a road track.
I wouldn't be so sure Michael Keegan those polyglas tires had extra plys put into them for better grip in I think 1970 you might be right thou I'm go in to have to relook it up
Over 7 sec to get to 60 miles per hour. 3 seconds of the time was spent just burning rubber. Tire technology wasn't the best for gripping back then. Rubber compounds were so much different too. I imaging with the proper grip the 0-60 times would have been below 5 sec.
@cabraden1 yes they did if it were a Ram air 3 or 4 motors.
Btw 2:75:1 is a pretty tall gearing ratio, will probably save you a lot of gas.. and make your Ford a lovely cruiser.. 40-50 mph just off idle sounds relaxing... :)
A vision of beauty!