Why Tower Of Fantasy Couldn't Beat Genshin Impact
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2023
- In Today's Video, this Mobile Monday I talk about the rise and fall of the "Genshin Impact Killer" Tower of Fantasy. Hope you enjoy it.
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I play Genshin almost since the release and was interesting in a similar game ToF. Well, I'm still playing it and have no plans to quit, even though many of my friends already left. Yes, the game struggled a lot with server lags, bugs, weird UX desicisons, but I think it slightly becomes better every update and can provide things Genshin cannot. Unfortunately, the most of players already will never return...
I did but I see why u say most won't 😢
I started playing ToF on ps5 loads of fun. Genshin got boring fast.
the game is omega P2W. if i return to the game my $1000 i put into it is now trash and not up to current standards. If i return to genshin my $1000 is still worth what i spent. ToF is P2W and that's what kills it
@@DannyInfect if you want a6 new weapons then yes. If you don't care about meta like me, you can be even f2p and get a1-a3 every rotation. I'm f2p+ and pull only waifu and don't have problems to close the content.
But I understand what you mean and also don't like powercreep.
@@DannyInfectman i just return, but i play it casual. a lot of content. my only sad is there no more player at my lvl,😅
Back when Genshin was new. I didn't like it cuz of how clunky the combat is (Klee is damn slow), the characters only have 3 moves each and there's barely anything to do for dailies. I came back at 2.1 at Yoimiya's debut banner and speedrunned the story to unlock Inazuma when I got Diluc (still my main unchanged with 3.7k Atk stat) until I eventually hit endgame loop. I start to admire Genshin through the story cuz it forces you to watch UNSKIPPABLE cutscenes. For Tower of Fantasy, I did the same by stopping before I fought the Sage and Nemesis because anything outside challenges are too easy, and returned at Mirroria update. One big difference between the two is that Tower of Fantasy is a mandatory multiplayer where Bosses are almost impossible to defeat without a team. In Genshin, it's optional to have a multiplayer team and bosses are easy. I never got sick of Tower of Fantasy's combat but I do for the story and it's opposite for Genshin. I play both games as it makes the experience perfectly balanced....as all things should be.
Having a team to kill bosses the general mmorpg rule. Genshin is a single player so it makes sense to solo it.
@@scarletwarlock9325 do it solo is always a better experience on Genshin unless your characters are really lacking. If you take more than five minutes to complete a boss on Genshin you get really bored oml. Domains are 20 seconds and 3 minutes at most
Please whale so that tof will not be on life support
The combat wasn't clunky Klee was.
I play tof (2 accounts) my only criticism is lack of story and character background/personality. They should add character emotions and more story quest and character development quest. Tof have potential
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Genshin simply is solo made game where Tof is multi-player game
I think it's funny people thought it would be a genshin killer I knew it wasn't going to happen lol 😆
People that hate Genshin started that and actually believe when they heard that TENCENT was in charge with the marketing because almost everyone knows that TENCENT is not afraid of burn money if they can brainwash people on playing what they want them to play and in this case those people and Tencent really wanted to kill Genshin and to this day TENCENT still pushing the game mostly in Japan and china there asian countries and the people that still pouring money in ToF are those same people that want Genshin to die
Same here. Just tough how the person who started the "genshin Killer" thing was actually a genshin player in CN who continued to spread misinformation about the game.
Just impressed how one guy managed to screw up the games reputation that badly.
@@earl2106 8eggs guy spread misinformation about reputate damage to perfect world games and sue by perfect world
Actually any game can dominate market if they focus on optimizing it for low devices the best example is freefire as u know games like genshin pubg need little bit good device to play . Also I don't like there pvp mode the only reason for me to uninstall it.
@@F2P_player0_0 naa.. Dude freefire is almost abandoned by the player because of pay to win BS. I meant if you are f2p and you playing rank you probably get into WHALE or Sultan lobby and get killed by hacker, i just saying from my experiences during my day with the bois went we played the game😑😑
I always wondered why CC always don't mention the insane powercreeping, removing dark crystals from opening supply pods and solving puzzles that it got from the first world but it has been removed on the 2nd world onwards which I think is one of the factors for casuals to quit, the lame events, bad dream machine rewards on the equipment, hackers during the early stage, and that nobody really cares about those black nucleus for the daily and exploration. CC always just tackles the bad execution of the game.
Yea I love the game. But removing farmable titanium was a stupid idea.
I have never heard of tower of fantasy outside of youtube. There is no advertisement
You know why Tower of fantasy did not do good? The extreme amount of server lag, Open world was dead with barely any players and repetitive content and questionable Gacha system. And also remember the game released before Genshin impact came out with Sumeru. So once Sumeru came out all the Genshin players left the game and went back to Genshin.
TOF is a nice game, but the execution is very bad. I feel like the devs are so lazy for not being able to properly polish the game. Another thing is, ToF lacks balance. It is now becoming pay-to-win. Characters are easily powercrept and left to trash. I spent to A6 Tian Lang with full matrices, but 2 months after, Fenrir came and shrunk Tian Lang like a helpless ant.
As a Genshin player myself, TOF was what I wanted for Genshin from the get go. I think TOF biggest issue was being compared to Genshin. Genshin is a single player experience that has a story that has gone a while. IMO if you skipped the story then say it’s bad it’s so unfair and makes no sense. From my experience I wasn’t particularly interested myself although I tried to be in Genshin’s story until I reached the “we will be reunited” part and I can tell you there’s a few Genshin players I know who still aren’t interested in the story to this day and play because they like the strategy. Coming up with builds, testing them, seeing if they work, fix any errors that’s the Genshin experience unless you’re following someone else’s idea. I also don’t think the PvP is necessarily a problem as you make it out to be. In Genshin abyss frustrates people and many people play similar teams and but the good thing about abyss is the characters you might need are easier to get to an extent. I feel like TOF is game with a lot of potential and the real problem is these days some people drop things really quickly. Like they watch a show and feel like the quality is somewhat bad and they can see bits of problems and then they drop it. I’m not saying all of them were like that. Definitely not, but definitely a good number of people do.
We Will Be Reunited was genuinely so bad for me. Not because the reveal of our sibling as Abyss leader was bad. In fact, that was the good part. It was the fact that it opens a lot of plotholes in the beginning of the game. It just doesn’t add up. Then Inazuma’s archon quest was horrible.
At least Sumeru’s was amazing. A skip button would still be nice though.
@@JosepiThe13th which plot holes?
@@fiyibomiolabode Like wtf we were doing at the beginning of the game. Just sitting there for months instead of actually going and trying to find people. This plothole already existed, but it was amplified by the We Will Be Reunited questline.
@@JosepiThe13th ah that. It’s said they were practicing the language of Tevat. Everyone in Tevat apparently speaks the same language traveler learned from Paimon this is of course a problem since you hear words like senpai and names like Ninguang. Also since the travelers travelled around world to world they must have something that helps them learn the language because they record these things in their memory. If they see dudes at war and they understand nothing, they won’t be able to record anything of value. It’s also strange as everyone in the room of we will be reunited quest understood what the travelers were saying. Like why would they speak Tevat language to each other. But whatever really.
@@JosepiThe13thlooking back at it, inazuma's archon quest isn't *terrible*. i know being able to enjoy a story is subjective but hear me out
inazuma along with inazuma's archon quest came out around anniversary time, when people's feelings towards the game weren't the best. this altered the way many players saw the game. not only that, but at that time the devs were pumping out content like crazy. because of this, things felt rushed. they didn't feel like they had much care put into them, and i agree. inazuma didn't suffer from bad writing, it suffered from bad pacing. people were rushing to clear content or story and that's why things felt so fast, especially since people most players at the time were already above the required ar to be able to do those quests. ask a new player now and they have different feelings about inazuma than those of people who played when it came out.
by no means is genshin perfect im not tryna meat ride it. the story isn't the best either, but it isn't terrible. like you said, sumeru was good. personally im feeling hyped for Fontaine.
The loosing streak is what made me quit the game tbh I was so tired with exploring everything 100 percent just to get slapped with king or Huma in my favourite banners
The only thing for me that i liked more on TOF over genshin is that it looks more cuberpunkish
I quit a few days after I got Fenrir. Playing TOF is like driving a Diablo then losing the brakes and smashing into a wall. The combat is the best aspect of the game as you can air dash in addition to dodge and that freedom during combat helps with the flow A LOT. But then all that time farming and maxing out your lv80 eqps only to die in 1-4 hits from bosses or mini bosses is ridiculously stupid. It makes you question wtf is your defense stat for. Then you get revived a FKNG kilometer away and boss is dead when you get back. Finally, seeing a white treasure icon in your minimap and wasting so much time climbing or finding a way to get into the catacombs then realizing the treasure is in the other vertical direction (like vera and its city). TLDR combat is awesome but enemies can be too cheap and exploration can waste too much time.
Uninstalled TOF and playing Star Rail now.
Tower of fantasy has more satisfying gameplay and the graphics also look next gen
You made some good points, and I’d like to add that for the day 1 players, the time gating on almost everything it was big turn-off. I know Genshin and ToF are 2 completely different genre but in this case I believe it is worth comparing them. When I watched streamers from other games try out Genshin, almost every time they got hooked because even at a lower level they were able to do all sorts of stuff to keep them distracted. Even recently, a big LoL content creator, Necrit tried genshin without the intention of playing it for long and right now he still plays it both on stream and off stream because he said he find it fun to get distracted with everything in the world. Now, Tower of Fantasy had the same opportunity at launch even though most of the content creators they sponsored weren’t into that kind of game, but they screwed it up big time. So when their sponsorship is up they don’t have any reason to come back to the game anymore, and their audience have no reason to keep playing the game other since the streamer they want to play with no longer plays the game. Even today, content creators and players are still quitting ToF. Dedicated creators since the CN days such as Holiest quit the game. There was another content creator who used to defend ToF to death recently switched over to lost ark and hasn’t return to ToF since.
Also ToF world is empty and lifeless
@@rambii. False statement.
@@katsushika2704 copium
@Ken Kaneki trying to defend a game that is on life support? Lol even with the recent underwater update, some players came back then left shortly after. Not even stayed a full week. Where is this… uh.. “underwater update saves ToF” some of you ToF fans been waiting for? Keep clinging to your false hope lol
@Ken Kaneki and speaking of empty, the game population has only gotten worse lately too. It is definitely not looking good for ToF. Soon it will be buried by Blue Protocol and Wuthering Waves
There are 4 core bad fatal factor why this game failed :
1. Try to be Genshin instead of just themself, indentity crisis before the game even out.
2. The controversy show they overeliant of bad publicity which end up horribly backfired especialy the entire plagiarism controversy.
3. Hacker and exploitation during launch, not sure nowadays but I bet they will always find new exploits.
4. For some reasom they have battle royale mode but it didn't even help when there is hacker around oof.
This game could be something but they fumbled it before it's even out. The irony about this about player even content creator try to shit on Genshin are they only last play the game for only few weeks only to regret it. I've seen one small GI content creator that their fanbase call him "honest" and reliable only to be shown as a massive hypocryte, so much for that honesty and "edgyness" no wonder a big "influencer" end up took advantage of the creator hypocrisy making beef with this smaller creator.
In the end he cannot live with his own failure making TOF content and what that bring them to? Back to Genshin LOOOOOOOL
One thing I liked about Genshin over ToF is that in Genshin the characters feel complete, like for dupes you get a more powerful version but not by much. You raise the latest Genshin unit and with a good team you can clear (or progress in) abyss with them. In ToF it's almost mandatory for you to get Ascensions or you really can't justify using them over an A6 standard unit. In Genshin you get a character that's good, you progress in endgame (abyss). In ToF, when you get A3 (and that's me being generous), you barely move in Bygone Phantasm. Getting 1 dupe feels so bad in ToF because your account barely gets anything out of it. You can't even connect to the character cuz (as mentioned by others here) they feel so hollow.
I loved ToF, I wanted to continue loving it, but like, everything felt like such a chore and you barely get anything even when you get the latest character. In Genshin if you're F2P you can still play around with a lot of units, in ToF you are basically shoehorned into a certain comp if you're F2P, which gets very monotonous and boring.
Basically F2Ps will struggle being competitive and clear harder solo contents,and in order to atleast compete even a little you are stuck to an element which sucks so much. That's basically the f2p problem of the game, genshin is f2p friendly because the game was mesnt for casuals.
I haven’t dipped my toes into ToF so I can’t say anything regarding that, but I am an AR 59 in Genshin (2nd number in my UID is 3) and I can say with confidence everything related to Genshin in that comment is incorrect.
Let’s start with dupes. Sometimes it’s not necessary, and other times it’s almost mandatory to get them. To highlight a couple of the latter, you will never see a Yun Jin paired with a Yoimiya nor Ayato if she is isn’t C6 because her ult increases the entire team’s normal attack speed by 10%. Another example is Hu Tao, whose first constellation stops stamina being used for charged attacks in her transformed state. The most impactful constellations are inconsistent across the board, but the consensus is that constellations for 5 stars aren’t _usally_ worth going after, and all 6 are needed for 4 stars (except for one of them.)
Now for Abyss, which isn’t even endgame content. It’s an advertisement for the current banners, a flying kick to the nuts, and sometimes both. Oftentimes the lineup of enemies will be tailored to the characters featured on the banners and nobody else. Sure, you might be able to get by using Jean instead of Kazuha, but you will only be able to just get by. Let’s also not forget that you need 2 teams of 4 so if you’re missing so much as 1 character featured or their backbone is underdeveloped, your time and thus rewards are going to suffer.
And now lastly, the characters themselves. The moment you lock a character in your head, your accomplices are already decided and you’re shoehorned into getting them. Either characters will force you to play a specific way, locking you down to specific characters (case of Kaveh and Nilou) or have the damage flow in the wrong direction by doing reactions backwards or having to continuously toggle back and forth between two characters (why the same team wouldn’t work if Diluc replaced Hu Tao on a vaporize.) Worst part is these problems don’t care if you’re F2P or not. Everyone is suffering because of restrictive character design which is also why you rarely see variation from one player’s particular character to another apart from minute stat differences.
@@zSTALKn Lol weird flex at AR 59 when I’ve been AR 60 for more than a year.
I was able to clear my very first 36* abyss with a C0 Hu Tao using Dragonsbane, so it sounds like a skill issue to me 🙃
As for 4* cons, that is valid but you can still clear content with a C0 4-star?? I literally had a C0 Bennett up until super late game cuz gacha, and do take note that this comment was made *months* ago before HYV decided to fck up abyss and actually make it hard. I was having a horrible time and I was a no-life Genshin gamer who never let my resin cap, so I was worried for the average player.
And the whole point of my comment was to compare Genshin with ToF, so like, what even is the point of your reply?
Like the backbone of my comment is how Genshin is better to F2Ps than ToF, and u decide that Genshin is awful to F2Ps? Like. Stop treating this as a vacuum I’m comparing 2 games, one of which is better than the other when it comes to “hard” content?
@@pepitomikelorbeta1271 Oh, goody. You revealed yourself as one of those people that think Genshin is a skill oriented game like Pizza Tower, Deep Rock Galactic and any game by FromSoftware. News flash: *It isn’t.* The game is covered from head to toe in RNG (Random Number Generation, slang for luck.) The units you get to play around with, the weapons, artifacts plus their attributes, and your chance to crit. Therefore, there are no two accounts out of the >100 million that are the exact same.
Since you missed the entire Kazuha/Jean argument and wrote it off as “skill issue,” I’ll expand by directly quoting the source; @TheRealestOne in a comment thread in Tectone’s _Players FURIOUS with Genshin Impact | Tectone Reacts_
(For context, this is about the god awful abyss lineup of 3.7 that I myself got 36 stars on)
“…Kazuha is the easiest way to clear that 2nd chamber on floor 1 but I was able to clear it using Jean. Yes it took a little effort, but I did it anyway. This doesn’t mean that the game was necessarily tough, it’s just the annoying mechanics of the enemies which otherwise wouldn’t have mattered much if I had Kazuha. So you see what I'm getting at here is that all the mechanics they throw at us have a really quick and efficient solution, which is to get the right character. In this case, it’s Kazuha. Otherwise it'll take a little more effort for you to do it. You’ll still be able to clear it, you're just gonna have to brute force it like I did with Jean.
And again, this isn't a flex. Ultimately, there's literally zero skill requirements to play this game. It all boils down to having the right characters and artifacts.
And it doesn't matter if I had any trouble in clearing this abyss with 36 stars or not, what matters is that this way of increasing difficulty is cheap and unfair to players that don't have broken artifacts and characters.”
The entire point of my original comment was to emphasize Genshin is (progressively becoming) awful for *everyone* for multiple reasons. The versatility of the newer characters is greatly diminished compared to the older ones, and that it’s a Gacha game. Gacha games don’t care about how much you spend, and you’ve seen this first hand with your Bennett. That being said, see you at the AR 60 club on the day Fontaine comes at the latest.
@@zSTALKn Again, you can’t shit on Genshin in a vacuum cuz my comment is comparing ToF and Genshin. I think Genshin is shitty as well but not as shitty as ToF. Genshin is better than ToF in my opinion, doesn’t mean it’s the best game ever UwU I would die for Genshin 🤦♂️
This comment was made when abyss was *easier* than the current version/s.
I don’t know or care about the Jean vs. Kazuha debate cuz it’s irrelevant to my comparison of Genshin vs. ToF.
If you slam on Genshin that’s fine, just do it somewhere else 🙄
Also abyss requires some skill tbh, but throw money on the game and you can ungga bungga your way into 36-starring the abyss. Try a freeze team willy-nilly and you won’t get ideal times, but watch guides on how to play freeze teams and positioning to group enemies and it makes your run so much better.
the requirement of having A6 or C6 in the game ruined it for me. Why? Because constellations/Ascensions in this game actually affects the stats. Unlike Genshin that only affect some skill damage and somewhat changes their gameplay. I would love to get back into this game as well if it’s on console too. Overall, its a really good game but seeing ppl A6 or whales made me feel insignificant and feel that being broke is a sin. 😢
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I quit for the same reason the fact that the passive abilities of characters weapons is that you needed at least A1 to make them unique and different from same elements weapons. A3 definitely would take it up a notch towards A6 but yet some weapons weren’t even as good as other elements weapons to bothered. For example my Fire Scythe doesn’t do nearly as much dmg as Friggs or Saki weapons which bothers the heck outta of me. You’d assume it’ll do a lot of dmg since it’s capped A6 but no. I quit and truly waste of my money that I’m never getting back 😢.
Kinda sounds like a you problem ngl. Also, Genshin’s C6 5 stars are like completely different characters. Take Yelan, for example, who just becomes a Hypercarry at C6 who can delete anything in mere moments.
Genshin constellations are not mere stats, they literally add new mechanics to characters.
But they do affect stats. That's literally what the talent+3 constellations do.
@@JosepiThe13thc6 yelan is a monster but never a "must get" , its just overkill at that point, tof on the other hand, a6 is a must specialy since their units dont even last that long till it gets powercrept to oblivion lol
Here you won't see genuine criticism. Just tof widows and whiteknights xD
As ToF player i said:
1. So many bug
2. To much relying on multiplayer matching (it's like we can't build character without other player)
3. Now that many players quits it's very hard to matching domain and beat world boss (wish they add bot function it will help player farming gear)
4. Multi server so players divided that's why it feels quite (i know it's basic problem of mropg)
5. The server 'dead' or there's not many players anymore but developer don't merge the server to keep the game lively (yeah i know there is ticket transfer but still)
I still play Both game till now..i think i can explain..what make TOF failed and i want to correct some misunderstanding
1. Bad Story and Side Quest:
TOF lack of character interaction make player not having emotional relationship to character and TOF world..example there is a character name claudia,and till now i don't know what kind of personality she have,basically no story or minimum story..that's why you rarely see TOF character memes because the player have limited knowledge about character in TOF.
2. Game not optimize on pc and especially Mobile version :
People rarely talk about this...but the mobile version is very important if you want to be big like Genshin, and TOF failed in this category because The mobile version so Laggy and not enjoyable to play even on high end phone,i know some player that want to play but this problem make a lot of player quit early...and this problem still happened Now..
3. I want to correct some misunderstanding about Gacha in TOF...actually more cheaper than Genshin..120 guaranteed you to get limited 5 star from shop,but people so lazy to read so they don't understand that mechanic..i manage to get A4 character with focusing on 1 element as free to play
My conclusion is TOF have potential but Failed in excecution..TOF feel like rushed game that need more time to develop...but TOF is suitable game for people who don't care about story and just want to play co op combat with friend
yeah i really hated the first part of the story but i do like the vera storyline much better ngl
Claudia is a executor and Claudia fell into a coma... That's why we don't know her. She wakes up in 2.4 update
@@scarletwarlock9325 I don’t know if it’s copium but yeah, okay. Doesn’t change the fact that their execution in character releases is subpar compared to genshin that could literally move the whole community, (Notable exapamples: Raiden, Nahida, Alhaitham… lmao even negatively Dehya/ but then because of her “promotion” people still love her personality.)
Let me correct you at some of your points
Tof is not cheaper than genshin
Sure, you can get the character you want at 120 pulls
But here is the real kicker
How many characters in that game works 100% fine with no dupe?
Thats where the game doesnt become cheap
As you need dupes to make that character even usable
While on genshin, characters at c0 is perfectly fine
Genshin is only good if a new chapter of the story is released. You log back in, do the latest story, Track down all the worthy rewards on the new maps, then log out and wait for another chapter. Anything other than that is boring. Domains are boring and annoying, cuz u never get what you want, and even after grinding like crazy to get the artifact you need you roll trash stats, rinse and repeat. Coop sucks cuz you are limited to one character, and NOBODY PLAYS A SUPPORT, Infinite tower challenge is made for whales, exploration is really lonely, with you having to invite people to explore with you, only to have to kick them when you want to turn in a quest. Not to mention that lately, they keep pushing out characters to make people summon WAY TOO FAST!. Tower of Fantasy is Better than Genshin. You can play with a lot of friends, Endgame is actually fun with ACTUAL RAIDS and world bosses. exploration is way better, due to the Relics they added, and they keep adding new fun events and things every week or so. I wish more people would play the game and not think of it as dead. I'm playing it since the global launch and it is one of the few games I play daily. Genshin is however now only a part of my past, as I have ditched it a long time ago, and only log in once a new map is out, merely out of curiosity. The latest update with the underwater region is amazing, and the just revealed new District 9 map looks to be even greater. It is a good time to get back in the game, if you dropped it, because Fiona, one of the first ACTUAL GAMECHANGING characters will be added soon to global.
I thinkthat people thought tof would be new genshin,the game wich you Play for 15 minutes and quit
I’m genshin player but sometimes tof more interesting too me like the skill slot and combo better then genshin and tof pve mod and have more movement then genshin and also looks really cool too… that’s my opinion
funny part the people who said claiming this was a genshin killer are now hating the game itself even tho they only played the game for few days and weeks or till ver 1.5 (imo the mmo vibe started on 2.0, i remember my first time coming to Valk raid that reminds me of those old mmorpg titles like dragon nest, vindictus and etc that you cant just kill the boss you to do these mechanics which is fun)
now these people are shtting on this game for claiming for its being a genshin killer even theyre the one who started it lol.
worst part when this game tried to use other game as reference or inspiration on their game people would say they're stealing and copying (yes they did steal some asset but just 2-3)
but when the other does it even 100% same animation just different model they'll say it "inspired"
i played both game and still having fun
tho i spend more time on TOF since its a grindy game. on genshin just doing daily stuff then logs out then cycle till new part of map updates again
the game still ranks to top 20 above making $9m last month and $5m this january (mobile alone, excluding pc and 3rd party shops) probably x3 its value but still cant defeat the top5 gachas
problem people who tried this game on first day/week/month will never check this game out again and will be forever bad to them and the internet. cause we have this "first impression" mindset.
even the game is too different now and more fun than it used to be. most people thinks the game already stop updating lol they still think its the same thing they played on first day (asked my friends what they know bout tof right now) and they didnt expect this game still earning millions of dollar per month. the only way to save this game have a popular streamer revisit this game and play it till for weeks till they hit max level able to gear their account.
i check tectone and mtash sponsored stream i could clearly says they still dont get the game more likely theyre just pushed to play the game cause they're paid. like every content they had in game like raids they tried are carried by hundreds of players, they havent meet max level they dont even have a grappling hook relic lol and no gears.
I like tof alot, Genshin may win in terms of optimization and story but tof got a bery good gameplay...better fighting and action...its the gacha that push me away...im a spending player but the way that the pity did not carryover is just simply cowmilking and terrible system...that gives me away...still love the game though may comeback if they ever improve the gacha system
Just to be clear, the "Genshin Killer" tag wasn't from the company itself, it was started by a troll who lied and made it up and people just ran with it. Not defending Tower of Fantasy, no love lost for the game, but the ridiculous uproar in the Genshin fandom is misplaced when it comes to this sticking point.
Devs said that during cbt.
@@pontoancora yo the devs do cock and ball torture?
Damn I haven't played genshin since tof came out 😂I quit tof for a lil bit tho but came back and am loving it 👌
Main reason why ToF failed is the fkn poor optimization the developers failed to acknowledge that i hate them but the game is very addictive at the same even though playing ToF is like suffering from being beaten everysingle day that you try to login in it then it will kick you out and the most annoying part its crashing right in the middle while your doing dungeon just by ranting in here makes me more pissed off the developers
What killed the game for me was the time lock of content and chests
ToF needs to be more casual friendly in the first place
I can see that
This game has good concept but bad dev and writer just missed opportunity that it became a lab rat by amateur devs
I played genshin since 2020, now i realize thats so boring playing alone, doesnt have massive multiplayer, rarely meet another people. Boring being alone.
You do realize its a single player game? Why did you expect it to have many players on the same map lol
Tower of failure is the most boring coz of lag and cannot play different characters coz no elemental reactions lmao. Oh, and you need constellations to do damage. Lol
@@meagodgod6373 genshin no need cons to do damage? Lag is for your noob internet connection, no diferent character? U noob overall, no need elemental reaction than boring weapon kekw types.
@@annettegarde2636 yeah when i realize, i quit.
I only play because genshin has nothing to do rn and tower of fantasy is glitchy and crashes a lot I was playing just now and I fell through the map
Honestly bro, it definitely definitely definitely killed genshin for me. Genshin now is literally nothing comparing to Tof. Genshin was a super frustrating game to that treats their players like shit tbh
I see, I got curious, I heard this game was a Genshin killer and gaining popularity then poof never heard of it again.
Constant level cap increase and famous "Crow" nerf(they did nothing after his nerf) is what made me quit Story was ok I liked some of the soundtracks better than genshin But I still cant get over grindfest Also %80 of characters are female I know you can use weapon but most of them use weapon like fan or umbrella,skiting shoes? Etc... I might give it another chance if they add good male character and buff Crow little bit
My only problem with TOF is that its to complicated to be understood ... I thought its just about pulling for weapons apparently NO...
Is that you playing in the clip shown..
Yes
@@IzumiIgnis The thumbnail is a bit on the toxic side, Genshin won nothing they both two very different games, making claims about combat also whilst playing with 3 weapons that have no synergy also using the wrong rotations is a bit rich, i am new to TOF and find the game fine the only issue i see so far is toxic mobile gamers and people trying to make money from whatever is trending and at the moment its ''Genshin killer dies'' or the like kinda boring to be fair, the state of social media at the moment is terrible gamers cry out about how the mmorpg market is dead then when a game comes along that is decent and has potential all people want to do is kill it then go back to complain about the lack of games, in the last few weeks of playing i have reached the top few % without spending money past a season pass the game can be played 100% FTP and people can and do compete with that top % of people that spend, you clearly are bias on this.
Did you watch the video or what? I don't see how you could say I'm biased if you watched the whole video
I quit ToF cause of need specific power level to get main quest. Even i have alot of SSR i quit in that game cause of that reason.
Tbh it wasn't labeled the "Genshin killer" by players, thats what the company advertised it as but they later deleted the post. That was one of the main reasons players started to compare the two.
Idk why people said tof is genshen killer even tho it not been that long before it got released I personally play tof I like but I would not say it genshen killer just yet unless they do something unexpected
They both good lol I play them both totally different game genchin story is better and has more content as far as side missions and mains... But tower of fantasy had some really cool freedom you get you own home, ride cars etc it even has a night clue , movie theatre great game to hang with your buddies
after i played tof i totally left genshin. yeah, tof has lots of problem but i think there are more things that i enjoyed doing than the things that i dislike ingame. i myself presented negative comments regarding tof but i realised it's pointless. so i just do what is fun for me and that negative sense just fade away. the game is really gorgeous and i am still hoping that they make their maps lively again by introducing progression itemsas drops in world map mobs so it will be fun hunting or provide more valuable items inside the purple and blue boxes. i don't mind exploring solo but it's fun to see other players running around, so that made me stay with tof. i don't mind spending a little to support the game so they can improve the game. i don't mind being carried by whales ingame, they are the reason why the game is still up and running. just my thought.
100% agree played and loved genshin but dropped it for ToF. Will play genshin again when the map is complete
I’m enjoying it. Just annoyed I cannot cross play my Steam account and iPad
easy answer would be genshin already has the audience, and gameplay is quite subjective for many player out there, i personally don't care though sometimes it can be frustrating doing the same thing in genshin but oh well
Yes, on paper the game had everything it needed to "kill" genshin... but it failed due to poor execution of those things. The story, so boring I had to skip all of it, the characters, don't really care about them and the designs are bland, the combat, pretty average hack and slash... it failed because its just not a good game. Its ok, but nowhere near the quality of genshin.
well the open world in ToF is not so good as in Genshin,in ToF its looks like they throw something and thats it,in Genshin you see that the devs cares abaout how the world looks like.
Weird I like it way more than genshin impact. Only thing "to me" Genshin has over ToF is it's on all platforms. The simple fact you can't create a character and have a true mmo experience on Genshin I didn't like that. I'm like like all the other guys, I hate playing as females and I hate a game that doesn't let you create your own character. I couldn't get immersed. I'm playing ToF on my pc right now with my fiance and cousin and daughter. Genshin would be great if it was a true mmo, had character creation and handled classes like ToF did.
Genshin was never an mmo in the first place lol
As mentioned, ToF is an mmo which is totally different genre from Genshin. I'm an ex-mmo player been playing since early 2000s and played quite a number, tho mostly KR/ JP mmos like Lineage, Aion, Mabinogi, Blade & Soul etc. But have tried WoW, GW, Archeage etc. When I look at ToF, I just see a very poorly done mmo. So even comparing to its own category of MMOs, I feel it lacks from predecessors. Also I stay away from MMOs now cos of work and family, no time for black hole time sinks. So Genshin scratches that itch but is very manageable/ sustainable for people like me. Just hope new gamers don't take ToF to represent MMOs, cos I think it's a pretty poor specimen. Just that it's newer. MMOs are expensive to develop, and gaming has moved a lot to mobile.
No. ToF is a gacha like Geshin. That's the genre. Subgenre's mmo.
this game aged like a fine milk
ignored and spoiled
Bruh there are so many reasons i left tof for and i tried to play many times after that but couldn’t also the wish system is good for active players and spenders like i have 80 wish and i wanted to try my luck but if i lose my 50/50 its all gone thats it
Also am f2p and cant even play the character and type i like and i always carried by others and players don’t even want to play with you if your characters are weak so its painful
Also the game dont have the new things hype like we know whats coming next and what all the characters do so instead of trying them we just save for the ones we want and even if they release new map or event players already know and it doesn’t feel anything new
u dont have to "do everything thats in the game" the same is in genshin u dont need to do abyss or to clear it to play the game, plus thats a lie u can play whatever char u like and still do good, because all characters are good, unlike genshin where 90% of chars are useless but people are ok with them being useless because is a solo game
@@cercopitec07 bruh u can use any character with any team in genshin but in tof u even need to save and fill only one element team u can even pull and play the character u want, also if u dont do everything in tof you will be left behind and no one wants to play with you and u will start to beg people to carry you thats if u get lucky
@@cercopitec07 not being broken doesn't mean they are useless
@@reiverdaemon yeah definitely. But I understand what that person means but Genshin is just like that. I think something more accurate to what they are saying is bad combination. In Genshin if you’re wishing for a character, you’re really wishing for a part of a combination. Like you want to play Shenhe then you need a cryo dps, Kaeya is fine but you might need to be more creative than an Ayaka player. You want to play Yun Jin well you can build someone physical and yeah they may be a lot weaker than Ayato Yun Jin but at least you get to play with her there. Oh you want to play Xingyan her shield is none existent so maybe build her physical dps and get c6 Rosaria and maybe Mika and maybe she’ll be 50% as strong as Eula oh and physical is basically forgotten just so you know so Eula isn’t that great either. Oh you have Zhongli and want to play Layla? Why? Btw why do you find abyss hard. I find it fun because I can clear it easily with my perfect combination. Maybe don’t play those characters at all and just use national. In co op don’t bring that character we mainly play meta characters so you should fit our meta combination. Is how Genshin can feel which is fine. It’s the way things are
I don't know what server you playing on in tof or played on but thats such a toxic server
if we find someone who needs help with any content in my server we just do it and doesn't matter how much it repeat unlucky toxic server i can see that as a reason server environment really matter and people around you can change the game
tf is ppl bitching bout just play both.
I have never played tower of fantasy but it seems really cool and some things seem better than genshin. The pvp may be tricky but genshin doesn’t even have pvp. The story of genshin is also skipped by many players. I don’t skip the story but I dislike the writing and dialog and the lack of effort put into cutscenes and better plot.
You can’t skip story in Genshin it forces you to watch every dumb animation and doesn’t have a skip button, It has so many rewards and progression locked behind hours of boring ass dialogue, you are actively hurting yourself by not doing story. I don’t like visual novels.
@cartoonvideos5 actualy a big no, the only place locked behind mq is inazuma, the rest can be explored right off the bat lol
@@annettegarde2636have you heard of the Scarab Beetle disaster during Cyno's release?
@@annettegarde2636that’s not correct at all a lot of stuff is locked behind stories. Such as bosses that drop stuff to even lvl your damn characters.
The moment we heard that perfect world is affiliated with this game spelled the word.
This game was a disaster from the start.
Also, ToF seriously stumbled out of the gate for its CN release, and a lot of people never thought it could even get a global one.
I agree that the marketing could have been better to keep people interested for a longer time. Time gating content by days, and not between patches is always an issue too. Even Destiny had a huge uproar about the same thing this season.
for me I'm hoping to enjoy it bc I wanted a new game to play and I liked genshin but I stopped playing it bc one of the characters was named baal who is a false god ppl in the bible sacrificed children to so I went hmm no and stopped playing genshin so hopefully I like tof
Ha, they never had a chance to begin with.
game failed so badly it has to make a second game to stay afloat and people still coping that it flopped 💀
One word: polish
Not polish but crashing
@@thefallencomrade50 not crashing but trashing
TOF its failing apart because the one developing the game its doing 3 version of the same game, balances, content and instead of opting a unify version for all and having crossplay and cross save which its what everyone wanted, they did first a CN version, then global and now a playstation. Uneeded and unwanted complications and fragmented community what a dissaster.
It's simple, Genshin is a vastly better game in every single aspect.
Genshin has grown too big to fall
People have already spent their money and invested hours of time
All things will come to an end and it'll be the same for genshin
Eventually there'd be too much characters not enough resources and with the main story completed some players will quit while most will continue for some time but eventually genshin will start to feel boring and the player count will drop down
Mihoyo is not gonna die unless they Mess up big time as long as they produce gacha games with atleast decent quality people will play since they already have an established fanbase
Back when ToF was hyped up i tried playing the CN server and at that time i didn't like it. I play genshin too (currently ar59) and i still disliked ToF, to me the gamplay is too "jumpy", enemies are braindead, the exploration suck as well as too much capsules around/not hidden behind any tyle of puzzle or locked by time. The world is not polished enough, the textures of the grass is garbage as well as the buildings. They tried too much giving the post apocalyptic-tecnological vibe. I liked the idea of mounts/surf boards but disliked some like the robot arms etc.. some gadgets are useless. Also the jetpack mechanic is kinda lame because of the high reset time like come one you are going to make me wait a whole minute or more for a jump...fk off... worst than tartaglia E. Customization did not disappoint, nice that main char can use all weapons as well as the other characters come with thei weapon already. Speaking about security it kinda sucked, the whole inventory wiping etc.. but yeah genshin security isn't much too (but yeah at least hackers don't fk up your inventory from outside of your account). There are probably some more things that i didn't list. On the other side genshin has great lore, characters, not so great weapon gacha sadly, good exploration, nice puzzles, not dependent on meta, great map, good textures etc...
Another stix and asmongold followers
I don't follow either of them but ok
ToF was just shit sadly
@@IzumiIgnis maybe not a follower but i do see the trend here
Yeah clout chasing coz the only way they can gain sympathy and followers. Pretty desperate and pathetic genshin apologist wannabe
You are just a simp of the game
Because genshin is just that good
Really? But it was a common knowledge that Gimp lost to TOF .. That's why Hoyo made HonkSR because they lost and must make another cash cow game ~ 😂😂😂
Nope. Tof lost.
Hsr is another money making project afterall they are a company.
Genshin impact was at first position is most gacha revenue in starting three months while HSR had filler patch. And last month it was HSR at top while genshin impact at second with genshin impact having filler patch.
@@thomaskennedy5728 Nope, Gimp lost. And you can't reverse that even if you try because Gimp is a garbage game ~ 😎🍻
Bro, I'm loving Tof. Soo much to do, soo much content. Soo many events that I'm never bored like I'm playing genshin. At least to me
Not even a story of tof didn't beat genshin.
It's a story about tof struggling to stay alive💀
Not true 2.2 and 2.3 story got better and feels connected to 2.4
goood for tof players that are still kicking, hope for them the game waiting in between things and bugs are less there
I remember each tp were a bit longer than genshin but when u tp quite often it piled up and it was long af same for gamemodes where transmisssion took a while and couldn't do shit while transmission was occuring loved getting tapped by mobs while I was waiting for party
1.0 story is terrible. I force myself to read because I like stories. But that was so bad that killed any chance to me keep playing
People compared it to Genshin, while I compared it more to Wow
ToF and Genshin are gachas.
Wow is mmorpg
@@evilmiyoho6742 tof is a mmorpg too lol
@@Saedris No. Gacha mmo.
@@evilmiyoho6742 exactly
@@evilmiyoho6742 what do you call Overwatch the skins game?
in genshin impact, we have a lots of primo vs ToF... Lacking of exploration / Dark Crystal, they give many of Gold/Purple nuclues, but we don't care about that... is standart banner (not limited) and ToF = PowerCreep Game.. You don't have the last charactere A6... u don't do damage ! [ like A1 Fen > A6 Samir-Crow ]
I don't like scifi. This is why I'm a Genshin player, rather than a Tower of Fantasy one. ;P
For me is the super lag in the game for mobile and the story is not good
In term of gameplay tof is better but because the developers love money they Lost
Unrelated note: Your profile picture cuts deep
Yaa I thought It would Kill Genshin. I liked the gameplay even sticking around with that horrible voice acting and pathetic character designs. But yeah it gets too boring after sticking around till District 9. It just doesn't work. Made me appreciate Genshin more. Wish I never tried it and got re-addicted to Genshin.
Genshin is easy. solo gives you way more freedom. But TOF doesn't have much freedom so those who don't play in a hardcore manner have nothing left for them.
i quit Genshin, TOF is better, more generous company, i not a whaler, just monthly card and BP player, the game has put much effort on graphic design rather low cost design on genshin stupid sumeru desert undeground maze waste time walking. TOF have bikes and skate jetpack, have better and more mini game
i played tof first so when i stopped n tried genshin cuz i played hsr n liked it. the combat in genshin sucks. ngl
why cant they make a game like this for adults? no anime, no waifu crap
ToF no option to invert camera on PS5 in 2023 this should never happen .
Wait wtf, it doesn’t?
that's been fixed with a patch
I like genshin I just like towel of fantasy more to be honest
Tbh No game will ever be a genshin killer cuz genshin players are like a cult 😂. That said, ToF did make a lot of mistakes
true so very true
Genshin won? ToF is good but the devs being incompetent is the problem.. The only ToF killed is itself, it's still slowly dying because insead of fixing their game their too busy milking the only few sheeps they have.. Genshin also have problematic devs that hate player feedback and also shamelessly milking their own sheeps.. So in a way they're almost the same but at least Genshin have no technical problems unlike ToF which is infested with
I stopped playing genshin from 6 months (basically when tof got released)
I felt that I can't do a proper gameplay in genshin anymore, The game is just really slow, but I installed it from 2h again bc (I missed the old days), and I'm a day 1 genshin player, All I can say it was hard really.., The control is just bad and it felt like I'm running in slow motion and the exploring got me bored in only 1h and not to mention that I couldn't do a simple rotation or movement, I was dashing midair trying to jump twice, trying to use my mount and relic and getting stuck sometimes while climbing since I always press ctrl instead of x.. But since I play other Shooter/Rpg and games somehow simular to genshin/tof that was weird to me.
But musically and graphically genshin still amazing as always I enjoyed listening to the new music and the graphics is just fascinating, But the gameplay made me uninstall it once more. Ig I will never be able to play it again....
facts only
Well it was shit, that's the reason, like if you've played genshin than you can tell by one look how much worse TOF feels
I wanted rubí but i los the 50/50 so i quit because i didnt wanted to play without her so i expect to back later when her rerun come back but forgot about the game because it was meaninless compares to genshin because the lore
Come back again. It's more fun now and lore got better.
@@scarletwarlock9325 i will try when rubi get a rerun
@@zedyasuo7238 Ruby rerun march 30th. Came back bro.
simple answer : its just shit....at every aspect. people dont notice how crazy the amount of resource to make something as polished as genshin.
ToF is jank. A little bit of jank is okay but when you’re game isn’t optimized for controller, that’s a quality issue. If I can’t aim a gun or bow without repositioning my hands, that’s poor implementation. I know most people play with mouse and keyboard but it the controller option exists, make it work.
Excuse me, how not flushing out its characters. These are people who somehow fucking survive catastrophe, the collapse of humanity’s technology, and everything else will still having some of it left over, and you were saying that none of this is actual character building well all gentian impact does is who the gods pursued eternity, and then made loop and then left it at that for the story, and let’s not also bring up the fact that nearly every fucking Gention character is going to die at some point for bullshit reasons, and how the end of the game is just gonna be everybody dying and that somehow. Canon
tower of fantasy just didn't have impact like genshin impact
Not really tof is way better also both games r completely different
dead game
@@p4ntom87 not really
Wait for wuthering waves
I’m actually kinda excited for that game
I spent more time rerolling for the initial banner girl that i can't even remember the name now than actually playing this game AFTER i got her. At least Genshin i played till rank 60+ than when the world run out of new things i left.
Isnt 60 max?
@@CreetEnemyDK Yes, curiously i downloaded again and i can tell i'm rank 56. I stop playing when Eula first came out.
Don't need to sugarcoat. Genshin is, in easier to understand terms, an objectively better game.
ToF failed because they tried to fight Genshin head-on. This, they were justifiably compared. ToF won a few, but at the end of the day, Genshin still overwhelmingly won. I would go as far to say that Genshin should be grateful to ToF, because ToF several failures worked to highlight Genshin's high points.
Lmao delusional biased genshin fan 😂😂😂
@@scarletwarlock9325 sure. Bias in any form of analysis cannot be 100% removed. That is true even in statistics and probability. We have biases even if it's unconscious. But how does that invalidate my point exactly? Won't you elaborate more. Can you otherwise tell me that Genshin is not an objectively better produced game than ToF? If so, how? What makes ToF an objectively better game than Genshin?
@That Dinosaur from Paris. not gonna try to say tof is the "better game" but...
There's an actual "end game" that's not just doing the same domains/operations each day
Multi-player has a bigger focus in tof than genshin co-op; you can have around 30 people fighting together against an open world boss...
A few permanent, non-event minigames...?
And dare I say it, a dialogue skip button.
...unfortunately that's the end of the list that tof does what genshin doesn’t, as there's also power creep that never gets insane in genshin, for example
@@scarletwarlock9325 Lmao biased genshin hater
@@scarletwarlock9325 it is objectively better though, and I don't even play genshin.
It's objectively better because it's objectively more successful with objectively more players talking, playing, and making content for the game than ToF. If it isn't objectively better, then why is it objectively more successful than ToF.
The content creators, the cosplays, the active community, who talk about lore, speculations and fanarts say otherwise. Genshin is doing something right that ToF isn't.
Meanwhile in ToF, I try to enter their community and what do I see? People complaining about Fenrir powercreep, getting kicked out of servers, the underwater combat feeling slow and clunky, server lag and fps drops on eve. I7 3080's.
Not a good look from the outside looking in.
Them adding a skip button is a huge W genshin should really add that, atleast tof cared about players on that part
it had a bad start maybe they mistaken by chosing to stop people from leveling up and making u wait days and days to do main quest and people cleared Astra map and they had nothing to do , it had few bugs and account security problems/ hackers but is not like genshin was perfect at start lol, genshin players forgot that genshin also had hackers/ accounts stolen/ items stolen /deleted with hacks / buggs and many more but they got fixed and in TOF too, but TOF updates made it like 10 times better than it was... meanwhile Genshin :/ nothing changed except better graphics, characters are same, patches are same,battlepass is the same ... every patch u get 2 new chars , 5 events and maybe map/quest , that makes it boring and you get tired of just logging in and do 4 comissions and quit after 5 min
Rip TOF
The battle isn't over yet. The 2.4 hype is real. Already getting a bunch of people returning.
The battle was over before it started
@Synthetica ToF has real endgame, co-op, and PvP, as well as real events between banners, the new underwater zone coming at the end of the month. Also, after the graphical upgrade it'll look better than Genshin in every way. You tell me objectively what Genshin brings to the table that isn't completely overshadowed by ToF's offerings. This wouldn't be the first time a game has had a rough launch and come back to take the throne.
Also, the 2.6 update mentioned something about virtual reality, but the details are currently unknown.
@@EienRozen an active player base. Also, when the first ToF event was just a scummy way of doing a banner (compared to Genshin where you get all event rewards simply for playing), I and many others were put off.
Also ToF’s characters aren’t very interesting. Genshin’s characters are many of them loved to the point that they have their own discords and subreddits - the VA’s are known and loved for them.
Also Genshin music crushes ToF’s music.
@Synthetica You're bringing up the first "event" which I wasn't even around for. That's ancient history. I'm not talking about banners as events, I mean actual event content. Dance battles, jump contests, racing, most recently hide and seek, etc. Real events with meaningful rewards. Genshin just doesn't have that. Also, the story in ToF is infinitely more interesting, but that is just my opinion. We still don't know whether everyone else died during the attempt to reverse time or if it created a parallel universe that we're all trapped in. Sentient multidimensional beings are phasing in and out of reality furthering a currently unknown agenda. Multiple instances of possession and even a hybrid character that fully mutated into an Abyssant only to have their human body just *pop* out after they were defeated, and come back with new powers. A cult that is either trying to save everyone from a selfish authoritarian overseer, or led by a madman brainwashing followers to potentially destroy the world.
ToF's music is on par with Genshin. Both have their moments, but they're B tier at best. Most gamers play their own music anyways.
As for the server population, that's the point I'm betting on. It's low now, but a good product sells itself, and all it takes is a few returning players to start a cascade.
@@EienRozen lol now I know you’re clowning if you think Genshin music is B tier. I’m out 😂
I downloaded it for the story aspect of it but I eventually just got bored
Tof is badly optimised.
Huge powercrep so byeee