GPU Overheating after new paste and pads
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I've tinkered with electronics repairs for a couple decades, but you make it all look very easy, much easier than it really is. Really enjoy your videos.
Thanks 👍
agreed
well that's the magic of video editing :) but I do agree
It's always easier in a video once you know what the issue is and it's fixed ;))
I think what he (northwestrepair) does is genuinely impressive and I thank him for taking the time to do the edit and actually show it as a "easy" ifx! ;))
@@northwestrepairi have a problem with my 3090 ti too, at like 250-300w powerdraw its already at 70° degrees, hotspot at 100°+, 30° delta, you think its just the paste or could it be more?
best regards
Your videos are so therapeutic 😊👍
thank you. i try.
I really appreciate your videos. Very informative. I'm also am in the Discord which is awesome also! I don't chat much, but always appreciate the knowledge shared. Thanks again.
Dude you do an amazing job/work.
Buys a $2000 graphics card. Thinks a random eBay thermal pad kit can improve anything. When it makes it worse, recognize his own incompetence and sends it in for repair! Excellent.
Back when I had a 7700k my temps were a bit high (80c) and googling for solutions would always suggest me "delid" which would kill the chip. Long story short that chip got obsolete before ever 80c being a problem, it still can work for probably 30 more years at 80c.
Also undervolting would fix that problem easily. Problem is that people watch a lot of extreme overclocking content where deliding and replacing pads/paste is actually necessary for stability but just to get a good score on cinebench and nothing more...
Normal people need to make peace with the fact that the silicon won't die in 7 days because of 80c but rather become useless due to obsolence.
@@hmello3250 the i5 4670k I have actually runs better and a bit lower than stock after delidding it. It's been running fine for 3 years now. It's obviously not dead.
Though I honestly can understand why you wouldn't wanna do it. The risk certainly is there. The stock thermal paste under the IHS really should've been a solder job so that the paste on your IHS would've been the biggest issue next to the heat sink choice.
I tell people this all the time. Little as 0.5mm too thick and this happens, usually easily seen if they just looked at the PCB as it will be warped after the GPU is put back together.
Far as “Random eBay Pads” they do make pads with better thermal conductivity then what’s usually used by the OEM so can’t fault the person but the bone dry die is not excusable.
@@hmello3250 Very wise words!
The engineers that do countless test and design these cards usually do a sufficient job with thermals for the stock specs of the card. Rarely do you see someone who went through a terrible amount of trouble to overclock something say they noticed a dramatic difference in real world use. However those synthetic bench mark numbers went up a fair amount.
Thank you for all your hard work.
Cheers m8.
well... brilliant as always. keep up the good work :)
Thanks for another fun and interesting video Tony 🙂
The way you deal with your trade one can tell you really enjoy what you do.
awesome work as usual
Appreciate that
I was hoping you'd use the pad roller to squish the pads out. Thanks for the video!
The 4090 FE cards use Honeywell PTM7950 on the core. It phase changes above 50°C. Looks like the owner left that on the core and only changed the pads to the wrong size. Due to PTM7950's phase changing nature, it looks dry like that until it heats up. It's designed for extended life while still being highly efficient with thermal transfer. I've used it in laptop paste replacements. It's pretty awesome from my tests.
I used honeywell on my reference 7900XT after the paste kept getting pumped out after 3-4 weeks.
It's really good stuff it now runs 60c gpu and 73c hotspot.
Before with TFX paste even after I had repasted I got 63c core and 84c hotspot which was actually OK until a few weeks went by and the hotspot was close to 100c again.
I've had it with ptm 7950 for 2 months now and it's actually improved slightly, was a 16c delta between gpu and hotspot and now its pretty much always 13c.
I'm very happy with it.
@Jasontvnd9 I finally got around to using PTM7950 on my 7900xtx after my hotspot temps crept up to 85°C. After three extended burn-ins, it's now maxed out at 70°C at full load. This stuff gets better and better the more burn-ins you do it seems.
I fully switched to PTM for laptops and vga cards with natural high temperatures and turboboosts, paste, especially low viscosity (high silicone filler content) degrades/pumps out fast with temperatures of 80'c and higher. Also depends on contact pressure and uniformity/flatness of both surfaces, it lasts longer on perfect surfaces. Pumpout resistance is specified on the "real" manufacturers datasheets: DOW, Shin-Etsu, Laird, 3M etc, a lot of known consumer brands don't make their own paste, example Thermalright TF3 is most likely rebranded Shin-Etsu X23-7921-5.
You are an old world craftsmen. Great video.
When you first described the problem, I said “pad thickness” out loud thanks to watching your other videos.
Awesome video as usual
Always learn something from your videos.
i love your vids sir, keep doing them please
It might be just me but I always enjoy watching a reflow.
I repaired a 970 earlier that had too thin pads and they weren't pressing on the memory properly for heat transfer. After replacing the pads with 1mm. That was it. Problem fixed. No more memory errors. Thank you for the tool name
Nice work sir :)
I bought some of the black and red screwdrivers you use. They’re very good but I learnt that if alcohol is spilled on them the size markings drip off with the solvent.
I have an old bfg 8600 GTS which have experienced moisture, smoke and rust damaged due to a house fire nealy two years ago aand i took my time without soldering but mainly cleaning with ipa spray and a soft brass brush and cleaned every inch of it and it came back from the dead nothing seems out of place as it the second graphic card I ever bought as I have fond memories of playing games on it
Jesus. How on earth does a new card get this bad so quick? Corrosion ? Wtf???
Thats what I was wondering. Why would someone be changing thermal paste & pads on a card that just came out a few months ago?
They most likely live in a very humid environment and possible near the ocean so it gets a salt blast. They probably thought they could get better temps, but just changing pads won't do much if anything positive for temps. Alas it was a shot to the foot, a waste of time and resources.
Salty environment can corrode your components
due to sweaty fingers/hands when replacing thermopads
Ey that's my card! So the repair was done like 2 months ago and have been running great ever since. So the story was, I put the a water block on it, and due to laziness I cut the custom loop tube for my cpu too long and forced it in. It exploded when was playing dead space, horrifying both in game and out, hence the corrosion. I'm also a dumb dumb and could not figure out the correct thickness of the pads. Anyways, very much can recommend Tony.
man, you are dedicated, no joke. 👍
Great job Congratulations , I 'worked on integrated circuits and prepared them for soldering with a FREON machine now I'm 54 years old and I would gladly do the PC and GPU repairer if someone taught me
also planned to replace pads and paste. this video will serve as the right guide to it. i didnt even realize that the pads could make such problems to GPU if the thinckness is wrong.
Nice thermal imaging at the end, showing all the power going through just one of the three power cables connected to the power adapter feeding the card. Scary.
Yes, exactly
@@northwestrepair Hello! Is something wrong with the adapter or is it "normal" for these cards?
good work
WOW, THIS CLEAN WAS BETTER THAN FACTORY!!!..
Hey my stock evga 2070 super's gpu hot spot reaches 99c while playing certain games.
Basically just shooting my shot here, but a simple step by step gpu thermal re-paste tutorial for an evga card would be amazing coming from someone as skilled as you are.
No problem if it can't be done, i appreciate your videos !
Amount of attention that you make for each card is amazing. Most technicians will not even bother with corrosion, maximum very fact cleaning with IPA.
He does it correctly.
It is not only slack technicians -
The majority of people today DO NOT pay attention to detail
One only has to examine Video titles -
Improper naming convention
Failure to format text and use Paragraphs --
These clowns just write a continuous line of text ( as you have done )
Make sure you learn writing skills- Read books to educate yourself.
And PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL
Make sure the brain sees exactly what the eyes are looking at.
Learn from those who know what you do not know yet. and;
Be teachable and grateful for the knowledge they leave with you.
Good luck and Good bye
Regrettably - I do not have time to read replies -
I am far too busy with more important matters
Awesome ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
65k lets gooo
nice work, dou you have approx count of all your gpu reballs till today?
So many people just don't get how important it is to get pad thicknesses right on graphics cards, and how difficult it can be. You can get away with thicker pads (a mm or more over) for some of the (very) small components scattered around the board, but for any chip more than a few mm on any side they need to be precise, as in c. 0.1-0.2 mm thicker than the gap they bridge (depends on the type of pad - squishy, mineral-based ones give you more latitude, crappy silicone-based ones practically zero).
That cable adapter needs its own thermal pads lol
Really helpful contents sir, what thermal paste would you recommend for gpu repaste?
"...more easy repairs" he said lol. Ok. Subscribed
I made this mistake myself, I had no idea the thickness of those pads was so critical!
Nvidia uses VERY squishy thermal pads. They are almost paste with a fibercloth in it to keep it togather.
You can get those from Alphacool. They are called Eisschicht with 3W/mk.
With OC to 600W 1,1V, +250Mhz on core and +1250Mhz on VRAM, my 4090FE runs cool even in my small case, if i ever have to test it. So why ever change pads?
Of course i am not running it on 600W constantly, that isn't worth it. I UVed it below 300W.
As far as your furmark stress test goes, there is a very big difference with how furmark stresses the memory subsystem of rtx 4000 series. I believe most of the data fits in the large cache which is why memory temperatures appear to be very good. You may need to experiment with other 3D apps to get higher memory temperatures
Yes but for diagnosing a problem, it's enough.
I don't need to complicate it anymore than it already is.
Also I know that modern nVidia drivers massively downclock the card with Furmark running to protect the card , I used Port Royal Stress Test to check stability of my 2080ti when I overclocked it. But Furmark is still good enough to reveal issues with broken cards (not overclocked ones though).
it's fine, the vRAM on Lovelace Cards runs pretty comfortable. guess they got enough flak for high end Ampere Cards being a miniature disaster.
He found the issue correctly and fixed it, no further work was needed.
yes, Furkmark (which is heavily bottlenecked since at least 10 years and the GTX 480 dramas) are not a true representation of a real time scenario. Port Royal or Speed Run are better representations. However, you can still use it to load parts of the card and immediately see if there is an issue or not.
You make it look so simple...but we all know it's a demanding process that requires the expertise only years of experience can provide. Another job well done by a master of precision. (Tony ... please send my shill fees to the usual place ... me! 🤡😂😂🤣) . In any event, thank you!
Really liked this video bummer the pads were the issue. Hope one day I get a card like this for you to fix . Wonder if you test drove the GPU for high end gaming as well 😂
i dont have any high end games to test with.
High end games will not push GPU to the limit. Furmark will
I wannabe just as good as you when I grow up!
Love these videos sir. What causes the corrosion that you addressed early in the video?
Interested in this as well. High air humidity? Didn't look like liquid damage.
Well, the answer is further down, from the owner of the card. One of his water cooling tubes came off and sprayed water all over the place.
I have used some random thermal paste on CPU and GPU before and I have switched to MX-5. Cpu went down from 80 to 65. Rtx 3080 went down from 84 to 64.
The owner of that card could have saved himself a lot of trouble by staying with an XBox. Unbelievable!
I cannot like multiples times, so here a comment. Much love
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Glad gpu hotspot temps went down. Still safe but it's noticeable how memory temps went up by 10C just by switching to 1mm pad from 1.5mm.
Yeah I learnt something, never trust other people's work 🤣 and replace with the right thermal pads, though the customers pads did look like expensive ones 👍🏻
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It's like a car that's been taken to a professional detailer :D
What utilities were used? I recognize some of them, but would like to find out what was used so I can test my card out.
Thought I haven't owned an Nvidia GPU since the GeForce3, I really admire the RTX 4000 series PCBs for how compact and small they are. AMD really disappointed me with their 7800XT being virtually the same PCB as the 6800XT and just a tiny bit of extra performance and less power usage. I was really hoping they'd be able to get the length of the 7800XT down to
No need to be impressed you still have a very viable option i just bought a 6750xt for customers computer instead of 40 series because it was the right fit for the hardware, im still waiting to see what FSR 3.0 is capable of improvement wise for frame gen and the like tho hoping they throw us older hardware users a bone nvidia is just forcing new hardware with double price tag for minimal uplift thats sad wish we could all just afford G-H Super chips but we cant
@@michaelhemric5228 I just hope AMD kicks their shizz into gear because I'm tired of raytracing being almost exclusively Nvidia's domain. I want to be able to play path-traced games at 1080p without crappy upscaling. Framegen, maybe, but I'd have to see and feel it with my own eyes in a first-person shooter before I decide if it's worth a damn. Where there's a will there's a way, and their will hasn't been in it like it was when they developed Ryzen and kicked Intel in the teeth. We also need to get off silicon because that's a total dead end for integrated circuits altogether.
@@CharlesVanNoland i agree RT is a big kick in the balls for my 6950 i usually dont really use it much tho honestly if i can turn it off i do because of the frame hit thats kinda why im hoping FSR 3 does something for the frames that looks good and doesnt break every game they try to put it into the one place i can tell a difference from my 3070ti to my 6950xt is in that field specifically and it is mainly when im ADS or looking way off AMD has the capability but if it keeps going like this last gen did ill probably hold out for a long while everything i run hits 120+ fps but if RT was on it would be half that they said that the frame gen was for making 60+fps games smoother not making a 32 fps game run at 100fps, theres really not much point in that anyway if the game looks bad at 32 its gonna look bad when you double the 32 and probably look worse than it originally did
what thermal paste do you recommend for GPU's?
Do you know what size pads an RTX 3090 ti strix LC takes it’s the liquid cooled with the 240mm radiator card
Next time you repair a 4090 FE or something with PTM7950 on it i would recommend looking into it and research options cos these cards if repasted with regular paste will never be as cool as they would be with PTM7950 unless something better exist, the PTM7950 is probably used to avoid pumpout cos these chips are very high wattage, uneven die or cooling surface can also contribute to pumpout, its expensive stuff but i would pay you good amount to put on PTM7950 on my card if you had to repair it or any other repair vendor, its probably best solution to overheating AMD graphics cards due their dies not being flat.
What brand thermal pads are you using?
I hate removing the new FE cooler. It’s such a pain in the ass XD
If you're using washers to hold down the GPU, will it work with the thicker thermal pads? Increasing the GPU pressure.
I just did my first gpu repaste on sunday, after watching your video. After opening the heatsink and fan the board itself was so dirty I thought the card is fried. so much rust and soot. Turn out there are more than just changing the thermal paste. I don't know how to clean the rust on the heatsink and the port.
Was the corrosion due to prior water cooling?
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Well done. I love the shot of cleaning the core.
BTW What is your "magic pad"?
if he told you that , he'd probably have to kill you, lol
what are the thickness of the thermal pads for Zotac 2080 Super (Triple fan)
It looks like they had a PTM7950 style pad on the core but with temps that bad they probably bought a junk fake pad.
1:25 So shiny!! 😍 What caused all the corrosion on the back? The card is farrr to young to have corroded from natural causes 👀
Potentially living by salt water, idk tho
@@quintit Apparently their CPU loop busted and leaked all over the backplate. Surprised it's not completely fried, definitely could've been way way worse.
the founders edition looks much more of a pain to disassemble and reassemble then other manufacturers.
Why did the cuatimer have the need to replace thermal pads after like 8 months ?
Me with these temperatures on the regular with an amd gpu be like
🙏👏👏👏🙏
How do I find out what thickness of pad is right for my gpu in particular? (Mine is sapphire pulse 5700 oc)
I was always wondering, how can GPU corrode. It's running itself in dry, hot environment - or maybe it should? I don't know, just seems weird...
Once I read the title I knew it was incorrect thermalpad thickness, but I was wondering why repasting and replacing pads on an RTX 4090? My GPU since 2018 (2080) and still running perfectly good no heat no issues! Repasting needed after 3-5 years of use! I bought a rusty 3080 and found that the first owner sold it as clean meanwhile probably he washed it by water to sell it as clean.
The card has over 110°c in the hotspot and the pads were exactly like cement so I replaced everything now the core is 64c memory was around 65 now it is 74 because I did connected the separate heat sink to the main heatsink and maybe that’s why and the hot spot is 74
This is my card. I put a waterblock on it and it exploded. I replaced it with the air cooler to ship it to Tony. Thanks for your comment.❤
@@chiyapet well glad you got your card fixed :)
Thank you for explaining to me otherwise I would be still thinking why repasting.
Probably you used thermal grizzly pads they are one of the best if not the best, but extremely expensive as I bought some for my 3080 and ended up with less than what I needed just 3 memory pieces missing from the back side.
An easy way to know how to choose the perfect thermal pad by using a clay or some sort of putty, place it and squish it and screw in your gpu and then unscrew and measure it. I had 1,2,3 mm so I just put the pads side to side with the putty and I choose the right one.
Good luck and enjoy gaming
@@AwsBadr I see. Thanks a lot.
is there anything you cant fix? lol this is awesome!
My life i cannot fix
@@northwestrepair just apply some thermal paste and you're good to go buddy 👍
im using the same exact measurements of pads and still got the bad temps :(
We can use termal pad instead of termal paste
Cellulosic Thinner is great cleaning up thermal paste residue. IPA doesnt do shit.
contact still looks bad do to heat sink not being flat.. that or the GPU no being flat..
This is a tuned Up she will be running like new XD...
on this cards from nvidia itselfe, you need super soft pads and lap the gpu die, because of the inprintimg on the chip and than use a non silikon thermal paste, than you will get amazing temps 🙂👍🏻 for me personal i dont like vapor chambers, because they will fail over time
why would a Vapor Chamber fail just because. sounds like you're causing the problem, instead. don't clamp down like you're trying to crush someones' Skull. you don't need to clamp that hard.
be more careful with your expensive stuff in the future.
@@taiiat0 i build computers for 26 years now :) a vapor will fail over time because the liquid is so little and the copper will absorb that slowly, its calles difusion and it will be to less liquid inside over time. thats true dude :) you can trust me there
@@tobiasit1743
.... you should chill with the Infowars stuff, my guy.
I was going to guess the pads were too thick, but I just read the comment right below this one before posting. Now I'm not so sure 🙂
They were too thick, as evidenced when Tony didn't get good spread of the thermal paste at first. The owner of the card replied to another comment mentioning that they had replaced the pads but didn't know the correct thickness to use.
@@Okusar I started writing that post at the 58 second mark, only realize that my correction was... Ironically incorrect
So... why does someone replace thermal pads on a 4090? That card isn't even a year old.
Hello, I do not want to be nosy and I hope you can answer my question, what software can I use to find out if my board has artifacts? It would be of great help, where I live there is no serious technician, thank you
Pad size matters. But an amateur that doesn't know his proper pre-pad switch temps will never catch this and will start being anxious thinking he destroyed something during the disassembly.
Deja vu
Corrosion after a few month, how is it possible?
That cable temperature is terrible.
What the hell, what would cause so many small parts to corrode so bad in a brand new card like that? That's insane. Does the owner lives just by the sea by any chance?
From a few other comments I’ve seen, that appears to be a potential cause
This is my card. I spilled coolant on it.
@@chiyapet And that is why I love air cooling and undervolting. You get similar results but nobody ever complained their PC had too much ambient air blasting around inside it. I get it's not an enthusiast thing to do trying to push the limits of the silicon so I won't begrudge anyone who wants to do those things, it's just what I like.
@pottingsoil723 Can relate after spending thousands of dollars on custom loop parts and days building a loop, seeing marginal gains, while nearly destroying a card in the process.
@@chiyapet Admittedly it's a lot harder to keep modern CPUs cool on air without resorting to things like power limiting. Maybe if they ever figure how to install vapor chambers in a NH-d15 so there's definitely merit to cooling CPUs and keeping fan noise down with a loop or AIO.
It's becoming truly insane how thermally dense CPUs are getting.
How can corroded the card?
I never push my cards this much. I had 2070 super for 3 years and GTX 1070 for 3 or 4 years, and they still works fine on my other pc's. On my main pc i have RX 7900XT and i always play with vsync so they never reach 100%. 🙂
I limped a vega 64 into 2023 by not putting it in first gear and stomping the gas.
Thermal paste and thermal pads=trouble...No trouble to put a piece of metal straight on silicon die via thermal paste but when is about plastic...thermal paste is not good :)
ive got a msi 2060 super and its running hitman 2 at a max of 75 degrees on medium-high settings, is that normal? my pc feels kinda hot
The only way to know the thickness of the pads is to measure them before replacement with a caliper. Some pads can be thicker than others on the same card. Information you will find on the internet is totally unreliable, everybody comes with different sizes and swear "it works very well".
What music at 1:57?
sir please help install gpu rtx 3050 motherboard code error 15 no post without gpu work fine other gpu working rx 580
What are the symptoms when the pads are not thick enough i would assume low core/edge temps and high hot spot temps? Is this a proper assumption, thank you M
If pads are too thin, memory temp will be higher that hot spot.
@@northwestrepair thanks for the info i think i may have put some pads that are close 1.5 but not quiet enough on my gpu everywhere i read says the zotac 3070ti takes 2mm pads but the temps are any worse than they where to begin with but they arent any better either and that was the whole point was to get the memory temps down some
Hi, just throwing this comment out of desperation in case you answer me, I've looked everywhere for the measurements of thermal pads to use for my asus rtx 2080 super and couldn't find anything. I don't wanna fry my gpu and i can't use it either. if you know the sizes please your help would be really appreciated.