I Find a BIG Difference Between Towing & Empty MPG in the 2020 Ram Rebel EcoDiesel
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Who’s this guy?
I have 2018 2wd ecodiesel. When I drive, the tires at the recommended pressure, new oil and filter. I use cruise control. And I have avg'd 34mpg...usually 31 mpg. I think cruise control is essential
got to give Ram credit when you can get a diesel in every trim they have. Great vid Steve..
I have done the math over and over on the ram ecodiesel. I even built a spread sheet that adds in cost of oil and filter changes. Unless you tow often, have a long commute, or need the extended range it is not worth getting. It is not for everyone. I have a 52 mile commute, tow almost every weekend, and the extended range would give me piece of mind for certain trips I take. It is worth it for me and my next vehicle will definitely be this truck.
Thank you. This was a good comparison. My 2004 Ram 2500 Diesel with 240K miles on it gets 18 mpg daily driving, 20 unloaded highway, and 12 when towing a 7K lbs toy hauler. Wind drag is a big factor in reducing your efficiency. Those new Eco Diesels are nice. I might have to get one if mine ever wears out.
My 2017 Ecodiesel has gotten as high as 32 mpg on a long trip in a blizzard in 4x4 auto. Drove at 55 mph, though. 100,000 miles and love it.
Thanks Stephen... Great video..stay safe n healthy during this time.
Thanks for a great video on the RAM Eco Diesel . Stay safe and your family.
great video Stephen good to see you in an ecodiesel. my 16 is still going and FCA has still not implemented any fixes for the burning down EGR issues. they have however sent me a letter to monitor my coolant level....
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Whenever we tow snowmobile trailers, no matter the size, all of our trucks basically go to 20L/100km. Seems like the drag from the wind on an enclosed trailer effects it more than weight
Nice review man. You are surpassing Roman , Nath, and Andre :)) I love the new Ram. Look, interior..and I'm a TrailBoss fan:) My ONLY concern is reliability in the long run. I'm European and had a Fiat Croma lol NOTHING but problems ..Looks all Italian Gucci but my only fear is the longevity of this. Other than thant..it's got potential. I would still go with the HEMI at least to be safe. Unless you have to tow a lot. Good stuff man as always! You never blob and you are on point with your stuff and best reviews.
Looking forward to more videos like this, looks like it is your new personal vehicle. I am in Ontario aswell and have a nearly identical truck. Wait till you do an oil change, I did my first at about 4000km after a long road trip and the filter alone from the dealer was $125+taxes. Your not just buying the cartridge, they sell you a new cap aswell which says “do not remove on the filter” meanwhile the one you remove from the truck has instructions how to remove it from the cap..
After a 3200km trip I averaged 9.3L/100km, expecting better when it warms up a bit, northern Ontario was still very cold.
Good vid. Y'all got snow, I had 90°f NW Florida hot day march 29th
This little diesel pulls more hp and torque than my old 7.3L IDI...
Sir Timothy's Piano Time it does, but your old IDI will run forever,these 3.0s have a weak bottom end. The best diesel in class is the inline 6 3.0 Duramax , too bad it’s in a Chevy.....
@@JohnDiMartino true those engine do seem good and it suits the truck
@@JohnDiMartino but they are not even on the market yet. I really look forward to seeing them tested like this
and more than my Frontier 4.0L gas.
I had a '14 Ecodiesel. Initially did 27 highway. That steadily declined with multiple "software updates" at dealer which were done due to recurrent check engine lights. It did always tow a similar cargo trailer well but the mpg was similarly reduced. Best I ever got was 13 mpg with that trailer. I recall being very optimistic after seeing that test that magazined did where they got 19 mpg pulling a flatbed with a gen 1 Bronco on it. Yeah, I never got near that towing a cargo trailer. Still, a modern V8 gas motor only does 7-10 mpg or so with a similar trailer so, if you tow a lot, that 11 mpg with a diesel would add up.
I am really thinking of getting the new Ram Ecodiesel. My wife has the beast of a truck with a 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab Tradesman 4wd Cummins. I currently drive a 2016 Ram 1500 Quadcab Tradesman 4wd Ecodiesel with 153,000 miles. The Ecodiesel has been excellent! The only reason that I would want a new truck is the cab size.
I did upgrade to a 2 inch lift. Switch from 265/70-17 tires to 275/70-20's. But will go to 315/70-17's next time, for a better ride on rough highways.
I do have a Flowmaster 50 series HD muffler. And a Banks silencer delete tube on the intake. The truck has the 3.92 ratio, but I am considering the 4.56 ratio.
This is a California truck. Has 3,096 engine hours, with 51 idle hours. So it does run the big roads as well as some mountain and desert backroads roads. The emissions update was not really a problem. The only problem that I have found is that of the original programming and the 3 software updates that the truck has gotten. Is after a while the truck forgets how to shift cold. That is resolved by using tow haul mode until the engine is over 160°f coolant temperature. Oh, I did add a Bank's iDash for better engine information.
I did drive the 401 Queensway back in 1994. I was driving a 1992 Freightliner with a Cummins N14. Canada was soooo nice a place to travel. Liked the adventure. But trucking pays way too little. After I retire from my normal job. I may take the wife out on the road and do the 48 and Canada again. But having my pension monies and social security may make it comfortable.
I did a trip from Fairbanks Ak. to Grand Rapids Mi. then down to Clearwater Fl. back up to Mi then back to Ak. 12,000 miles ad I averaged over 27 for the whole trip one tank of diesel gave me 850 with a 15 mph tail wind.
when the video starts, the front trailer door is on the driver side. then when you take off, the front door is on the passenger side. that is impressive. that ecodiesel is magic !!
With the trailer you got the mpg a Tundra gets w/o a trailer... Not bad
Lmao
Hi Antoine. You should take your Tundra in to get looked at, because mine gets 23 mpg on the highway at 110 kph on cruise control.
Don’t forget diesel is more expensive plus you need DEF and the maintenance on diesels is also much more expensive.
I didn't know a Tundra comes with a Diesel.
@@jerrybens8032 Tundras are known for reliability and thirst for fuel!!!
I thought TFL said the chevy 1/2 ton was the most efficient diesel
the chevy beat the ram by 1 mpg in both towing and unloaded in their test.
You also did the towing in the snow which doesn’t help. The hemi would be lucky to get 6-8mpg with that weight in those conditions. So depends on how often you tow. Over 11 mpg is still good. A 6.7L Cummins would only get 15 mpg doing that so do you wana pay $1500 more for a hemi, $4k more for ecodiesel or $10k more for Cummins. That’s just the motor cost extra not the trim level and other features.
TFL Studios!?? I can't wait to see what's coming
Would be interesting to see how eco diesel with the air suspension hauls that trailer
Nice job again.
Let’s see a comparison between the big three half ton diesels with mileage and acceleration tests!
For comparison: My new 3 Liter Duramax best ever consumption was 9.2 liters empty. With a closed trailer 6x12 it was about 15 liters or more when it was windy. This was during winter with studded tires.
Both your guys number here are very respectable. My 2009 Sierra 1500 with 6.0L does 13-14 L/100km when empty. My 2011 Subaru STI BEST EVER fuel economy on the highway was 9.3L/100km. She loves gasoline!
69 Bronco guy! True, this 6.0L has been awesome so far. Knock on wood.
69 Bronco guy! Downhill with a tail wind the whole time? Lol
At 4:22, it would be important for you to mention the ratings they are providing are most likely in US gallons (vs Imperial gallons). The computer calculator in my Tundra provides the calculation in US gallons/mile. To convert that number to Imperial gallons, multiply it by 1.2. When I see 29 highway (at 4:22) for the 4x4 model, I'm not impressed, as my 2010 5.7 ltr Tundra gets 23 at 110 kph on cruise control. However, if they are quoting 29 US gallons, this would convert to 34.8 Imperial gallons, which makes more sense when I compare it to my gas guzzling Tundra. Just a thought.
I'm surprised how low the fuel economy is when hauling. I have a similar sized toy hauler and I only get a couple of miles per gallon less (fully loaded with gear) than this Eco diesel. So, needless to say, I'm not impressed with the EcoDiesel.
Oddly enough, I was just having a 6 ft conversation (lol) with my neighbor yesterday about his Eco Diesel (he has an older one) and he is under the impression his truck gets a lot better mileage than what is being shown here while he is hauling. But . . . he has the older version before they fixed the emissions, so it's possible he gets better fuel economy with the older version.
I think that a neat test of all the diesels would be to drag 4k lbs like that while at the peak torque for each engine. So the speeds and RPMs would be different for each truck, but each one should be at it's happy spot.
I just bought a new 2019 classic 4x4 eco crew cab for $27k plus tax and lic. I couldn’t pass it up. Haven’t towed with it but 29mpg is easy to get unloaded. I haven’t towed yet, for that I use my 7.3 PSD.
My 16 ecoboost did 9.2L/100km. My 19 6.7L powerstroke is rolling 11.2L/100km on the highway. Towing my 9k 5th wheel I'm getting 22.1L/100km. GCW is 17,500lbs and the trailer is 12'8" tall and 35' long. Way more load and better bang for the buck.
Would love to see some current owners that have this truck in an @Home Edition.
Interesting. Never owned a Diesel for a lot of reasons. Take away the noise, insurance increase, maintenance and repair costs and not all gas stations have diesel fuel. However, it is impressive. Not sure I would ever get a diesel but it is nice to see they have improved significantly in performance.
Many fuel station that carries diesel doesn't carries Premium Diesel.
I bet these newer engine requires premium diesel.
Just picked up a 2022!
still better than my 2016 hemi! Lucky to get 20L/100km I average 24-25L/100km with 7000lb camper and best ever unloaded was 11.2L/100km
That empty run is nuts. That is what my nissan rogue gets on the highway
This is a good video. I want to be seeing this exact comparison for each of the diesels, even into the class 4/5 trucks. How good id the Cummins and Ford 6.7L really? I want to know just how much they suffer form the same loads vs. empty. PLEASE!
The eco diesel in a regular ram is great. I pull a 34ft travel trailer it weighs around probably 8000 loaded then I have another 300 in the bed plus a couple passengers it goes great I maintain speed up 99 percent of hills. I had airbags put on so it did not bounce as much but took them off because when not towing the rid is horrible. Now it’s a lot better just had to higher hitch up an inch and half. To have it just above level. No complaints so far 38,000 miles 2018. If anyone is wondering I get depending where and how fast I’m driving I get between 11-14 on average. Depending if I’m go 60 or 70mph and also on hills I take hills at about 60-65 not faster. Going down I stay around 55
You'll be rebuilding the top end of the motor by 200k, even if you do the EGR bypass
David Fox yeah probably plan on upgrading about 100-130 thousand miles. I plan on sticking with ram not sure if I’ll get the hemi or eco diesel or maybe a heavy duty truck with the Cummins
@@billjohnson2626 the ecodiesel are great when they are running. i have a 16 and will be upgrading to cummins once my extended warranty runs out.
The off the line acceleration might be due to gearing. I don't know if there is a difference in the gearing between the generations. Here is where I'm coming from on the gearing part though. Gas engines rev up faster than diesel engines because the internal moving parts of a diesel are heavier. That said a gas engine will run through a low gear faster than a diesel because the diesel takes longer for the engine to accelerate. But a diesel, having more torque, will increase wheel speed faster with a higher gear ratio than a gas engine.
I was going to say i have a 2020 eco diesel ram and i get 26.5 alll day long flooring it and all
And put a pedal commander on it 100% is a must
Do you have the 3.21 or 3.92 rear end?
Put the winter front on so it will actually get up and stay at temp
Pushing that little bit of water down the road under the tires will be harder on fuel too. You'd have a little bit better result with the trailer on a dry day
Don't worry Stephen, the 40 mm of rain will wash away all the snow. Speaking of mpg. I would like to see a 100 kmh vs 120 kmh fuel consumption comparison.
it will be better at 120 because the trans will hold 8th gear instead of downshifting to 7th while at 100.
That is honestly not bad. My inlaws gas Tundra with the 5.7 gets 9 MPG pulling a 5k# trailer. My 2021 Rebel Ecodiesel pulling the same trailer gets anywhere between 11-14 MPG. wind, rain, outside temp, and grading of the road all effect MPG's. Even the Cummins will be around that maybe a hair better more like 13.
Don't forget too, that you may have done a regen while pulling that trailer. With a stock tune they regen every 60 to 100 miles which gives the mileage a hit.
Very true.
Correct me if I wrong but I believe the latest ecodiesel is technically the 3rd gen. We didn’t get the 1st gen here in North America.
Still not bad economy. My 2013 RAM 2500 with a 5.7L Hemi only gets 15 not towing and drops to about 5.5mpg with a 16ft trailer.
I was wondering why the speedometer in a truck went all the way to 200 lol. Then I realized it's a Canadian truck and that's only 120-ish mph lol.
Really considering getting this truck. I drive quite a bit for work (did 3k miles in 3 weeks one time) and fuel is easily my biggest cost. I am considering buying a used ram v6, or a new ram ecodiesel.
keep it until warranty runs out then dump it.
New rams with the v6 averaged 19 to 20 miles to the gallon. My dad has one and drives 50 mins to work one way everyday. And you won’t have to worry about the emissions crap or diesel maintenance.
Your best bet is the 3.6L gas.. unless you have a large trailer to haul and need the extra power... but if your empty most of the time, the 3.6L is a good choice.
@@The219Beast Strange, i rented 2017 V6 ram for 10h trip, the first half 5h was empty on flat I-10 and i was on 25 mpg doing normal speed limit
A Gen3 EcoDiesel: 12 mpg towing at 65-70 mph pulling a tall brick-ish trailer of 5000 lbs in near freezing temps (
Wrong at 4:08. Silverado is the most fuel efficient at 33 mpg with 2WD.
@Myballsitchsomethingfierce Doesn't change the facts
@@EGGINFOOLS Facts are no one is buying a 2wd Diesel
@@youngblood23rb Why wouldn't people buy a 2 wheel drive diesel? A diesel is most efficient at highway cruising and towing, things you don't really need 4 wheel drive for. If people buy 2 wheel drive gas vehicles they're gonna buy 2 wheel drive diesel ones too, it's not like they're designed to be off road monsters or anything.
@@shitloveaduck the chevy, regardless of 2 or 4 wheel drive is still better on fuel in the real world.
The Google says the Ram Rebel diesel gets 33 mpg. That's a pretty big discrepancy. Thanks for doing the work for those of us who are still trying to decide. Cheers from the Flathead.
If the bilstein shocks on the rebel are more off-road oriented. Would you have any recommendations for shocks more designed for towing and highway driving
That trailer and snowmobiles have gotta be well over 4k lbs. Trailer alone is at least 3000-3500 lbs
It was the running in 7th at 2500rpm vs 8th at 1750rpm that caused the big difference.
Tello G “just a bit over 2k” clearly read 2500rpm lol
The snow/wet had to have affected the mileage due to extra drag. The question is by how much?
CamberwellCarrot I agree. I also wonder how much aerodynamics played into the equation since the truck was probably not level, and the nose slightly up due to the squat from the trailer.
9,4 litre awesome 👍
400 HWY South Downhill! Let’s see the 400 North Uphill mileages?
Hey Mate, you guys at TFL are always running 70mph, let's see just one loop with a truck and trailer at 50mph aka the granda driving safely video
I'm surprised you got that with winter blend fuel even diesel has additional things
@@shitloveaduck yeah idk if Canada is like Europe because their low grade even affes military gas stations low grade was 91 and they have some of the cleanest diesel fuel so alot comes into play with this but I'm excited because also no one has tested the 6.4 8speed yet
I have a 2015 Eco diesel with 110K miles, no issue at all but see a decrease in fuel economy below ambient temperature of 50 F
me aswell. i have a 2016.
The 5th gen rams have the 3rd gen EcoDiesel not the 2nd gen
Is that a quad cab with a sunroof
I would really like to have the Ram eco diesel, but there reliability issues scare me off.
Also off road is not the want here in Canada. It’s the cost to fill the tank. And 4x4 for our winters. Diesel is cheaper than gas here and diesel is the way to go for high MPG over gas.
Full sized trucks with a gas engine are to costly to run here. we pay almost 2 times what the Americans do for fuel.
So diesels are a real fuel saver.
Do the same test with the V8 Hemi if you can afford the gas
The Podcast Plug was not necessary
Dude gassers would be DEEP into the single mugs!! 11 is fine for towing! Slow down it will come up!
The 2020 Silverado with the mini Duramax is actually better on fuel than this Rebel, they are averaging 33+ mpg
With 4x4 and 33inch tires.....really?
Did you set up the trailer brakes?
Man really good video, enjoyed it with my coffee!
What’s the payload on that truck?
What size tank is in this truck
That seems in line with my 2016 ecodiesel when towing
What axle ratio did the truck have? 3.92 is what I have and it's the best for towing. Even empty I get good fuel mileage.
I’m buying. 2021 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel with 50K miles on it. Do you still have yours and if so, how are things going.
Maybe I missed this but what was the weight of the trailer and what rear end ratio does this truck have?
The trailer was “around 4000lbs” would be nice if he actually gave real numbers and not guesstimating and actually did the same loop
So do they not have the same driving rules in Canada I noticed sometimes you were passing in the right lane and other times you were passing in the left correct lane.
You can pass vehicles on a multi lane highway in America in the right lane. What do you do if you have a left lane bandit that goes 15 MPH to 20 MPH under the speed limit on a multi lane highway, do you really expect everyone to stay behind that idiot or are they all going to pass him in the right lanes. The laws about not passing to the right were designed to stop people from passing people on two lane roads where traffic would have to leave the roadway onto the shoulder.
If diesel fuel cost the same as gas, the extra cost of the diesel engine might be worth paying for. But here in Atlantic Canada diesel is about 17% more expensive than gas That tips me toward the Hemi.
plus a diesel engine is going to cost more for maintenance . u loose all the way around with a diesel engine.
This doing a second click does not make these tests any more accurate because you still can't control how much fuel the tank received. If they want to try and make it a tiny bit more accurate they need to just stop at the first click then add 3/10's of a gallon, that way every fill up gets the exact same amount of fuel on the second fill.
My right ear is jealous of my left on this video.
Didn't it seem weird that the video appeared to start off mirrored?
Due to selfie-mode filming on cellphone.
Which rear is in it?
Love the wiper blade speed on the new trucks.
11.6 towing is not bad if the trailer is loaded? Never heard the weight of the trailer. My gas 2020 titan XD averages 8.7 mpg towing a little over 10 thousand pounds
First thing to do with this truck is get it re-tuned More HP TQ and BETTER MPG, the GOVT screws up everything
these engines are very fragile do some research on crank and main bearing failures. why do you think they are de-tuned at lower rpms. it isnt just about the EPA. it is about getting it to 100,000 km.
Wish they had kept it an inline 6. But still cool
RAM never had a straight 6 in their half tons. 3/4 ton and up get the straight 6 cummins.
You said second gen, dont you mean third gen?
Hey brother I know gas and diesel usually sells a but higher in canada but have yall seen lower prices as the US has recently?
Ya ours have been dropping in the last week
I'm from Saskatchewan but ya ours have been dropping in the last week
Let’s talk about the different 1/2 ton Diesel engines. Aluminum blocks, belt drives on cams, belt driven oil pumps, complicated cooling systems with multiple thermostats, and other things that will leave you stranded with an empty wallet. Let’s talk about the mechanical risks built into these 1/2 ton diesels. Which one has the best chance of living a trouble free life?
Oh wow y’all have yellow handles for diesel we have green handles that we put in yellow tanks .
Is it a ZF 8speed transmission on the Eco diesel Rebel?
Yes
Not trying to be rude or mean you should put it on tfl truck or make a tfl truck Canada
I thought the new ecodiesel on the 2020 Rebel is a Gen 3.
It is
This I assume is using winter diesel. Does anyone know on average how much better you would get using summer diesel?
I was thinking the same thing. I notice a 1 to 2 L/100km difference with my 2002 Ford Excursion 7.3L from summer to winter. (It goes from ~12L/100km during the summer to 14L/100Km during the winter)
68.35MPH*
HMM why does dash say 4WD HIGH??? Vid time 12:20 and 11.2 mpg going 72mph excellent fuel mileage just dropping 5mpg would gain your 2-3 mpg better
At 12:20 it's showing 0 mph (he's not moving). At two other places (12:34 and 12:41), the 4WD is off, so I'm guessing he did the run in 2WD.
Is there a reason to run it in RWD other than economy?
Towing???
I laugh at all the posts and those on the internet who try to dis diesels over the cost of the engine. I don't know anyone who goes to a dealer and starts looking at window stickers on vehicles to see how much the engine is costing them, they look at the overall price and decided it the price is within what they are willing to pay.
Fact: the 3.6 Pentastar is the base engine in the Ram 1500 extra cost $0.00 as the price is built into the MSRP. Add e-torq to the 3.6 Pentastar and the cost goes up. Want a Hemi the cost is around $1,000 dollars, want a Hemi with e-torq and the cost jumps to around $2,500 dollars and if you want the diesel the cost is $4,995 dollars. The jump from the Hemi with e-torq to the diesel is not that much more money.
SNOW?! Man all we get in BC IS RAIN. I'm just gonna point out that the Ram is not the current MPG king its the Chevy Silverado with a diesel.....
Jswope by 1mpg big deal
@@christopherbrown1391 Its actually more like 2-3 more based of the videos I have seen
@@SwopetheDope Too bad the interior is way out of date!
How does it compare to 3.0L in-line six from GM?
GM's 3.0 2wd actually gets 1mpg better. Off the line is much quicker than the Ram. Real world mpg loops from TFL in US it is better. The power curve is longer and stronger than the Ram. Plus the diesel option is less than Ram. GM's is also an in-line 6. GM's also has more horsepower. GM's is better in every area. Not Ram reported numbers but real world testing. Look up on TFL truck, they compared the GM and the Ram.
The 3.0L Duramax crushes this thing in every category.
I just drove both this weekend. The GM diesel is way better but overall we liked the ram, leaning towards buying the ram for my wife
@@user-gx2bs1vq7w too bad the GM interior sucks! Why would you want to drive hours upon hours is a crappy interior?
@@dufusfinder9771 Plus tiny fuel tank.
Now crap on it like TFL did with Tesla? Less than half the range? Bizzare
Why.know one talks about the payload 😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪 no one
Im going to get a rebel echodiesel....first thing im doing is a full delete, tune, cai & exhaust. I know people getting almost 38 mpg and 0 problems like they had when it was stock.
How it holding up?
Yea
I wish ram would change that motor to a inline 6
That that would negate the reason to buy a heavy duty truck