Plastic surgeon on the risk of fat loss with radiofrequency and ultrasound
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2022
- In part 2 of my interview with board-certified New York-based plastic surgeon Dr Richard Westreich, we discuss the risk of fat loss with RF skin tightening and other thermal non-surgical facelifts.
Among the treatments discussed are Morpheus, FaceTite, Thermage and Ultherapy. #antiaging #antiageing
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I got an RF treatment in a medispa last year. I so wish I researched it before I went there. I was just told it was a skin tightening treatment. Fat loss was never mentioned. About 1-2 weeks after the treatment, I noticed my cheeks were deflating, not tightening! My face got softer, not tighter. Very upsetting to say the least. And I agree, you need to go to a medical professional. Not a spa! I’ve spent more money now trying to fix this mishap with fillers. They helped a bit, but I miss my old face. Ladies, please do your research before you get this treatment. I wish I did. Very expensive mistake that I regret immensely. Btw, I love your videos. You’re adorable and love your accent! Thank you for putting out such great information. I wish I found your channel before I foolishly rushed in to get this procedure. Don’t fall for their great sales pitch. That’s what got me! Half off sale! My cheeks slid half way down to my jawline. My $2000 treatment gave me jowls! Was not the look I was going for!! Do your research!
Same here!!!
It has changed my face fractures!!
Thank you so much for your comment. I was planing to have RF tretment for skin tightening. Thank you for saving my face and money.
@@ZaraQadir97 No, I did not. Sadly no sculptra in Croatia, yet. I belive that something similar is avilable.
Viola this is happening to me now. It's been 2 weeks and I look horrible. Please can you tell me at what stage did you have fillers and did the fat loss continue over time? What did you do about under the eyes? My face looks like a jowled pancake now and I'm terrified it will get worse over time. Please help me, I would like to hear how the volume loss played out for others
What a great interview. What an absolutely genuine and wise doctor.
Thanks Heather. I certainly appreciated his candour.
Thanks for having this doctor on. Good information. ❤
Thankyou so much for yr honesty and professionalism..💝
Thank you Joanna 🙏
Also, every area in the face must go on different settings-parameters. Absolutely nice video
Thank you so much!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I completely lost all the fat in my middle neck using Ultherapy (4 times, once under Anastasia in a surgery to face and neck) not knowing that instead of tightening which is why I did it each time but doing the opposite and ultimately having now a creepy neck with loose skin because of the major fat loss that occurred. My neck actually looks worse starting at 50 than my 75 yr old mother's. I now have to get a neck lift & was told by 2 surgeons telling me the neck surgery probably won't last more than a year or so because of the unusually loose skin. These same surgeons outright admitted that they stopped using Ultherapy and other devices like it in their office because of the potential negative results and fat loss. And, I'm 112 pounds, with a firm body and face, even jaws. So I know it's the Ultherapy. I was told my whole life I looked 15 yrs younger than my age, getting carded up until early 50's. But it stopped after Ultherapy a few times and my neck is the only thing that gives my age away. Stay away from it, it depletes your fat!!!
I am really sorry to hear this happened to
you. I have had quite a few people share similar stories. Did you get compensation for this from the clinic?
@@thehonestchannel it was ELECTIVE...doh
People also need to know that eye lash growth serums are also attributed to fat loss in the Orbital area! I learned this from Dr. Rajani's CZcams channel. And what's crazy, is that I DON'T hear this from other influencers. It's the prostaglandins that is doing it. Thank God I could never afford to buy it for any kind of regular basis, or I'd be in the same boat of fat loss around the eyes.
I did however find a company called "For Chic's" that has a natural approach for eye lash & eyebrow regrowth. Also, avoid castor oil for eyelash & eyebrow regrowth; Dr. Rajani say's that that has natural prostaglandins in it too!
@@CherylBerryl That is fascinating!! I will go and check that video out.
So sorry, and thanks for sharing.
Dont give up. Try microneedling home use 0.25 without any RF every other day, and ProCell, x39 patches, LED home use every day, and masks more is a better with yellow egg part, and alternate with white part only with 1 tea spoon of salt .
Great video, I would love for you to do a deep dive into laser treatment, and other procedures done on male's with facial hair, what to use, what to avoid, and risk of damage to the facial hair...:)
I can certainly look at laser safety 👍
Very informative. Thank you.
You are welcome!
Thanks for this video, really!
You’re welcome!
OMG! Your video about LUMO popped spontaneusly and I clicked superinterested by the device since I' m a FOREO🐻 user. *BUT I DISCOVERED A TRUE GEM AND HER CHANNEL FULL OF DEVICES AND ATO PROCEDURES!!!!* ✨✨✨ Beyond subscribed, binging and wondering why you don' t have zillion subs. Your content and the way you present it are a delicatessen. Hugs from Spain 🧛🏻♀️🖤
So glad you found me! It’s really encouraging to hear you enjoy my videos 🙏💐
Looking forward to your home devices …nutrition videos. Thanks
One of the best videos 👌 we have to be so careful when applying anything to the face in case make it worse instead of better 😬 I honestly don’t think enough people worry about this 🤷🏻♀️I’m just about to purchase my first ever Beauty Devices -Feipushi Mc & a Hifu 3in 1 with Rf & EMS (from Mojia) so have been searching for accurate info ! So thank you 🙏🏽 😚
So glad you found it helpful. Using these devices with caution is definitely a good way to go.
I am really wondering if they would be good for the thighs coz i have tons of stubborn fat there.
Great video 👍🏼
🙌🏻 Great video! God Bless
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Thanks a lot a lot for this information. I was about to get thermage treatment but I don’t want to lose fat. As a matter of fact I already lost 15 pounds and my skin under the chin is a little sag.
So in this case what treatment the doctor suggest so the skin to get tight again ?
Hi Clare, thanks so much for sharing this interview. I enjoyed it. Question: has this put you off using the Evenskyn Venus around the eye area? Would you now hesitate to recommend it? Was thinking of purchasing and they have an offer on recently but now I'm not so sure. Thanks!
Hi Val. The Venus is designed for use around the eyes and I still use it frequently to deal with morning puffiness. I mentioned in the review that I hadn’t noticed skin tightening with it and that remains the case. It’s great for helping shift eye bags and puffiness but I wouldn’t recommend for an eye lift. Hope that helps!
Basically it’s a gentle heat and vibration so I don’t think there’s a significant fat loss risk there. It’s not RF.
@@thehonestchannel That's great, thank you, Clare. I generally don't suffer from puffiness in the morning, however it depends on how good I've been with diet/late nights/snacking so it does happen on occasion 🙂 I still might get it, as it is not RF and the red light might help with a few fine lines in that area. I'll look forward to your update with the Lumo and Venus. Thanks so much for sharing everything in an honest and intelligent way on your channel. x
Great video I have the luma in my cart. Making me wonder?🤷♀️
I haven’t experienced fat loss with the Lumo so far and have been using it for a few months now but I keep moving it slowly over my skin so no one area is getting over-heated and I’m going to stop using it above the cheekbone level based on what Dr Westreich said.
What about for tummy ? Anyone have any experience with this procedure on abdominal tissue? Thank you love your Chanel
Awesome glad I subscribed
So glad you found it helpful!
Really great video - Thank you for your research! I too have the EvenSkin Luma and now wonder how high the temperature gets on each level. I am going to try and email the company, but will also watch for you video!! 👯♀️
So glad you found it helpful!
Hello, does Opus Plasma cause volume or fat loss? I heard it doesn't, but I am skeptical.
You must be the only interviewer looking into this issue. It's an absolute tragedy how it's destroyed lives. Unless your injured, noone understands.
I believe there is a support group on Facebook for affected patients. I can get the name if you’ve been affected?
So does this mean I should get galvanic electrolysis instead of thermolysis electrolysis (also known as RF electrolysis) to remove those stray hairs on my face that got darker and thicker due to plucking the blonde , thin vellus hairs due to boredom? I don't know if that qualifies as trichotillomania or not.
Can Accutite melt fat grafting under the eyes that are undesirable? Can the heat settings be controlled and can it just tighten only with no fat removal?
Hi! Thank for your wonderful videos! Quick question, is your guest talking about devices other than the at home devices? I just bought the Lumo. The devices that professionals use are a lot stronger, right?? He wasn't talking about the at home devices, such as the Lumo, correct? Thank you!
He was talking about the professional devices. Fat loss linked to at home devices is way less clear and there is very little research or information on it. I also use the Lumo and reviewed it on the channel. As a precaution I’m not going to use it above my cheekbones and i will try to find out and bring you more information on the channel.
Fat lose was spoken about 15 yrs ago with Thermage. Seems nothing has really changed.
I had a Morpheus done and it caused my face to look worse 2 months after, so I think if you have thin skin it can make a difference as well. I trust my technicians but there is a lot to this so maybe micro needling without RF is best for some.
Yes, I would agree with that.
definitely noticed some fat loss with morpheus8, but i had great results bc my face was overly round before!!
Glad it worked out well for you!
I had one session initially with Duet. It removed fat from my face. After first session the change was good coz my face was quiet fuller and rounded. But in 2nd session the Dr used high heat and it removed tremendous amount of fat. I had hollowed under eyes and an old looking face with darkened skin color. Regretted second session. Had to do a lot of things to get some fat back.
@@ZaraQadir97 So sorry to hear you had that experience. It’s interesting that you did regain the volume though as I think the same happened with me when I had Ultherapy. I didn’t realise it until much later on and, actually, it was in an area where I could afford to lose fat.
@@ZaraQadir97 What did you do to get the fat back in your face?
@@Susan-nb3ep sculptra and undereye fillers
Great video! Thank you.
What I know, the right temp of rf no more than 40, -safe. Like rf microneedling. Also, its just a max 4-6 treatments. Hifu is not safe. Lifting, tightening-yes, but later- you will need injections, ...
Constantly tripolar rf- not good, monopolar- safiest, but not strong enough. Need 10-12 weekly. After that break at least 6-8 month. Honestly after 50 , monooolar rf will give you a little progress for the short time. But you won't lose your fat. Ultrasound for face- safe for lower face ones a two weeks. I never go on upper face.
We need fat. Because when you loosing it, you start to injections..... our muscles need fat to lay on!!!
Safe. Rf no more than 40 safe. Like rf microneedling. Hifu is not safe. Again, just a 46 treatments ok. Lifting, tightening, but loosing fat if to much and high setting
Yes, I mean we need fat to lay on muscles. English my second language
I love your Chanel and so happy I found you ! I’m looking at devices for months now what to buy . I want to shrink or loose fat in no laces in my body through RD or Red light laser .I’m not convinced convinced in microcurrent even though I’ve seen it lift and it for sone is amazing I don’t believe it’s permanent? My question is when I step out of the box of skincare anyaging and step into physical therapeutic devices of RF and laser it’s so much less expensive ! But is it safe to burn fat ?Or tighten skin it’s still low level but it’s strong
So glad you’re enjoying the channel! Regarding anti-aging devices like RF and laser, I do use these sparingly myself but avoid the eye area and generally above my cheekbones. But the straight answer is we just don’t to what extent these home devices affect facial fat. Much more research has to be done to give us any confidence.
Hi, I was wondering whether you have tried mesotherapy ?
Once you get ultherapy done for the first time, how soon would u see the potential fat loss?
Thank you for this video. I just received my Tripollar Stop VX. Does this mean using it on my face will cause cheek deflation? Concerned and I am within the return period( havnt even opened the box yet). Should I return? I am medium tan Indian skin tone.
Hi. I’ve discussed safe use of at-home RF devices in this video which you may find helpful. I wouldn’t use it on the eye area and I would use a low setting above your brows. czcams.com/video/WgXccuB8dOI/video.html
what about injectable biostimulators?
very interesting but I'm a little confused, do these dangers also apply to the home machines like Nuface etc??
The NuFace is a microcurrent device so it isn’t thermal and isn’t associated with fat loss. He is discussing in-clinic non-surgical facelifts here. At home devices are less powerful with a lower chance of fat loss though no one could totally rule that out.
@@thehonestchannel Do you think led light masks are risky too? They generate heat too, right?
This is really helpful I'm on a waiting list for morpheus 8 with Dr Judy Todd Glasgow I'm hoping to discuss some pdo threads at my consultation, on top of which I would like to have sculptra for volume (if she does that? ) I hope that the RF at home devices don't go over the temp limit for fat loss I use the polar stop one its said to increase collagen and tighten skin I haven't noticed any loss of fat where I use it 🙏
I’d love to hear how you get on with the Morpheus 8 treatment. Judy Murray had incredible results with it. Like you I’m a bit worried about the at-home devices but I’ve not noticed fat loss either. If you’re not lingering too long on any one area I suspect the heat is not reaching the depths for problematic fat loss but I could be wrong. I’m going to look into this further.
@@thehonestchannel I agree about the home devices I do a jawline sweep twice a week the whole thing is no longer than 10 mins probably 5 by the time the orange light comes on. I will let you know about the consultation.... When I finally get a appointment! I have been waiting now for 5 months I would rather wait for someone who has a good practice and the experience. I don't have the sun damage and not as wise in years as Mrs Murray I only want the skin tightening so am hoping to discuss threads or morpheus 8 or both? And I have some volume loss in my temples so have been looking into sculptra as opposed to fillers but I will let you know of any progress 🙏 I believe Angie hot and flashy you tube is having morpheus 8 in spring so one to watch out for she does excellent thorough research just like you do....... thank goodness for that 😊
@@michelles2299 5 months is a long wait! Just shows how in demand the practitioner is! I’ll watch out for Angie on Hot n’ Flashy’s review. Her skin is amazing so I can’t imagine what’s left to lift!
@@thehonestchannel Dr Judy Todd is now at Clinica Medica Crow Road Glasgow
Do you have any recommendations on non invasive devices for lower stomach fat/skin tightening?
Exilus
Just to be sure, does this apply to the Nurse Jamie triangle, uplift, body uplift, and eyeonix tools? They just use vibration/movement, and the triangle uses heat if you want, but I love these tools. I know they aren’t RF, but do we know if there is any risk from losing facial fat from those tools?
At-home devices inherently carry less risk because they are less powerful and do not penetrate as deeply into the skin layers. From what I can see the Nurse Jamie device is just sonic massage and I haven’t heard of fat loss correlation there.
@@thehonestchannel Thank you so much for answering! Just found your channel and really like it!
@@MT-mc4zn Great to hear 🙏
I wonder if microcurrent melts the fat as well 🤔
I've been using the Lumo for a year, I look older and more wrinkled around my mouth and feel my cheeks are more hollowed😢
And I didn't even think about it until WATCHING a few videos in the last few days 😢!
I’m sorry to hear that. RF does need to be used with extreme caution. The industry should be much better regulated and more research done into the risk of fat loss. 😔
Selma,
I’m so sorry.
I’m in the same boat. I hope you find a treatment
Hi, my breast has been sagging after weight loss. I’ve been using exilis for the sagging breast in the uppper part of the breast (where it has lots of stretch marks). What do you think of this new tool?
Well both my parents had double chins and beautiful faces… So I want to try it around my chin area and my jowls… I don’t want to lose volume in my face… This was a very informative video so thank you
In my experience Ultherapy worked best on the under chin area. I got good results there.
I am confused, you use Lumo yourself, is it good or bad for sagging cheeks ?microcurrent or RF is better?my face has lost all the fat on my cheeks, is there a way to use a at home device to make them look a bit fuller please?
I wouldn’t recommend RF if you have experienced significant fat loss on your cheeks. I have a playlist dedicated to facial fat loss here czcams.com/play/PLwJwOmOzK8TAGf3mve4VBPTzMmQCmp9zE.html
I had Ultheraphy for my neck..about two weeks ago. so far .it looks good..but I was told by the RN that i wouldn't fat loss in that area, but if i did it would be like a drop of fat?? I was so hesitate to do the procedure..sorry to hear about one of the subscriber who experience fat loss.. my ultimate fear was having to go to a cosmetic surgeon if i had negative effects from the Ultheraphy. ( by the way, I don't do non surgical treatments in general).. I am hoping for good results..😊😊 Honestly, some of the non surgical treatments can be risky.. I went to cosmetic surgeon for a brow lift and wow i was so pleased with the results...and i believe if you really want a real change..your better off going to a cosmetic surgeon..that's my experience.
Really hope your good results continue, Suzanne 🤞
@@thehonestchannel ..well after 9 months I noticed alittle facial fat loss..so I am not happy.. i decide to go for sculptra treatments and I will be using the adipeau... fortunely, its not to bad..but i feel that their should be warnings to patients about this treatment.. i was told its very rare you can lose fat from RF..
@@suzannehorton3146 Sorry to hear that. I agree the risks should be highlighted to patients and talked about more widely by doctors and aesthetic practitioners.
I have a regular ultrasonic facial device (NOT HIFU, it doesn't have the highly focused vibrations that HIFU does)- it is supposed to help with collagen repair, slight lifting, and products to penetrate. I wonder if this will do the same thing re:fat loss? Either way, I will be taking a very conservative approach to only use it once a week, and stick to LED and microneedling that I know don't affect the fat layer as much.
Taking a conservative approach is definitely a sensible idea. I do the same with my RF device.
@@thehonestchannelwhat do conservative approach mean?
My plastic surgeon used under 43 heating point all over my face and neck and only one session of rf microneedling. Would that have been ok, with respect to fat loss?
Thank you for this video. I was going to order the Evenskyn devices but after hearing the doctor say it DOES affect volume of the face.....I won't. At 67, my face has already lost volume. I was hoping that RF would be an answer for skin tightening but it apparently is not. I already use the Omnilux mask every morning and have seen very good results in texture and increased volume of my facial area which I am assuming is due to increased collagen production. Believe me, you may not like your full face now but in 15 years you will really miss it!
I’ve spoken to a few experts now and the general feeling is at-home RF devices are probably not powerful enough to cause significant fat loss but that’s not a guarantee. I think the mask is a good bet where volume is a concern. That said, RF is the gold standard for skin tightening at the moment.
I will tell you my personal experience, from the first session of RF I have lost a significant amount of facial fats, I learned that very late I was never thought or told that it would really burn the facial fats, I thought there’s something wrong with me! Some Doctors are money ***** and will not tell you the truth behind these procedures
@@timaal7866 I’m so sorry to hear you had that experience. 😔
@@justagirl7780 I want to know the same thing
Susanne, we've just done a study on volume modulation in the face. The study has been submitted for peer review so we don't want to give it away entirely here. But we can tell you that the subject who gained the most volume in the face was 68 years old. So don't give up. The best holistic "treatment" for volume gain is a diet rich in protein.
So are at home devices like the tripollar also at risk of causing facial fat loss. I still have mine in the box as I’m now scared of this.
I've done quite a lot around the risk of facial fat loss from RF devices on this channel. There's no straightforward answer to that question but this interview should tell you everything you need to know czcams.com/video/l7BPdR6_uxY/video.html
Great video, I used a video at home in my early twenties and felt I got fat loss but being in my early twenties would this typically come back?
I would think so although not enough is known about fat loss and recovery after heat-based treatments
@@thehonestchannel I'm concerned about my son having had a couple RF micro needling sessions. Being only 16 I'm hoping that it can grow back with the help of anything I can get my hands on!!
@@nicolebrook2610 Do you think your son lost fat as a result of the sessions?
Hello , if you use Venus legacy for skin tightening on the face would you lose fat as well ?
You'd need to ask your practitioner about that. It's not a treatment that I've tried or have knowledge of I'm afraid.
This makes me not to want to even use my at home RF device(Nebulyft n1). Maybe I should just stick to Red Light Therapy and Tretinoin?
It’s a tricky one because really no one can guarantee you that an at-home device will not cause some degree of fat loss. That said I use mine for about 5mins at a time, twice a month and haven’t had issues. At-home devices are significantly less powerful than the professional ones so cautious use should be pretty safe. Tretinoin, microcurrent and red light therapy is a great combo - but I do throw in a little RF along the way but take care to keep the device moving so I’m not overheating the skin. Hope that helps!
@@thehonestchannel Thank you for your reply!
@@thehonestchannel Would you use home face rf only Buccal fat area and under chin , or focus those areas mainly and slightly go over the rest of the face a little bit too?
Hi Clare. Interesting interview. I was reading most of the comments. I was going to buy the Nebulyft after doing some research. I didn't see anyone mention it here. I have a thin face so am concerned about fat loss. know the home devices do not heat up like the in-office ones. The Nebulyft reaches 107 F. Was curious if you heard any negative reviews from people. Thank you
Not specifically about the Nebulyft, no. I would definitely stick to recognized brands. I filmed this interview on safety recently which might help czcams.com/video/l7BPdR6_uxY/video.html
@@thehonestchannel I’d love a specific review on Nebulyft. I have one and love it, but now I’m afraid to use it
@@lisaw8 This interview on safety may be helpful. If you stick to a recognised brand and carefully follow the instructions you minimise any risks - particularly as you've been using it successfully to date czcams.com/video/l7BPdR6_uxY/video.html
Please be very careful. I used a Nebulyft exactly as recommended for less than 2 weeks and had profound fat loss on my face. It aged me years in 10 days.
Hi, please mention if the micro current devices like ZIIP at home facial device also causes fat loss? Thanks
I discuss everything I know and have experienced with microcurrent in this video czcams.com/video/Xl6_n0rrozQ/video.htmlsi=QnJ4Ctq9IwZn5UXK
Fat starts melting at the temperatures 39-45 C. On the face the temperature is supposed to be kept lower than 39 C. RF facials are scheduled only once a month. Good to know that cold temperatures increase the brown fat that can be found on the neck, for example.
Hey, love your content! Was wondering if LED therapy for the face is in this category of procedures that could cause facial fat loss, anyone know? xx
Thank you Charlotte! x There are still some unknowns but LED therapy is less intensive and is not thought to pose a significant risk for fat loss so I would categorise it differently and happily use my own mask at home.
@@justagirl7780 Find me someone who can say for sure. That’s where the industry is at right now but I shared my advice based on the research and interviews I’ve done. Can you point to evidence that LED causes facial fat loss? It is highly unlikely.
@@justagirl7780 I don’t stroke the algorithm which is why my channel is still pretty small. I’m trying to offer balance and evidence-based information. Do you have a link to the paper you referred to or can you tell me where it was published or who wrote it so I can try to find it?
@@justagirl7780 Thank you. clare[at]honest.scot
Led doesn’t hear the lower dermis of the skin. It definitely doesn’t cause fat loss.
I did fotona 4d and I have had fat loss. What"s the option now?
New subscriber here ❤️
What about red light therapy???!!!!!! I have been using my red light therapy mask at home, however, im not ready to loose a single ml of my face fat !!
Thank you for the great one of a kind content! 🌷
Welcome to the channel! I done this interview on red light therapy which you may want to check out. czcams.com/video/ihJvx40wGGQ/video.html It’s considered safe and not a known risk for fat loss.
Does high frequency wand from nuderma cause facial fat loss or is this only associated with radio frequency?
I don't know enough about this particular device to be able to answer that I'm afraid, but it's RF and ultrasound that have been more closely linked with unwanted fat loss.
If you lose the subcutaneous fat using RF, is there still a way to regain it?
The scientist in this video believes you can but it takes time. He has a cream he claims help (I am testing it so I will share results in December) but also note he says there are other ways to help rebuild it czcams.com/video/ItuJlJbfW2E/video.html
is it hifu you are talking about ? thank you very much
He was discussing clinical ultrasound therapies in general which include HIFU and Ultherapy
So then how do you gain the fats on your face again? Do you eat alot sleep better?
I'm thinking of getting Agnes rf, just to get rid of small jowling.. so I want targeted fat loss and tightening
RF or Ultherapy are a good option for jowls.
Thank you so much for the video! Would Exilis also contribute to fat loss on face?
There is a risk with any radiofrequency treatment and so it needs to be carried out by an experienced professional. It is always worth talking to them about any risks before you have the treatment.
@@thehonestchannel Thank you so much for your response! If carried out by a trusted professional, would there be a frequency limit of RF treatments per year?
I'm 51 and use the Tripollar Stop RX gold 2 RF device, which I use at home for the last 2 months, with good jowl tightening results. DO you think that a home device such as mine could be powerful enough to melt fat?
I did a video on this very topic which you might find helpful czcams.com/video/l7BPdR6_uxY/video.htmlsi=iZdWYa-JhR8z411u
Great video!! I needed this! But for me the thing is: I want to lose fat. I’m young, but wanted some lipofilling in my cheeks (my own fat injected) but the doctor injected too much fat and now I have a bloated face/overfilled cheeks. And unlike with normal fillers, this won’t dissolve by itself. I’m not looking for an extreme difference but I WANT to dissolve some fat but nobody seems to treat my cheeks. When I ask if they can do it with morpheus8 they say it doesn’t burn fat. I know it could wihen you go high and 3.5mm deep. This is so frustrating!! Any recommendations? I’m in the Netherlands so looking for something in Europe.
That’s a tough one because RF facial treatments are not intended to melt fat but that has been reported as a sometimes unwanted side effect. It means most clinics would not want to say to promote it to you in that way so it’s hard to get an honest opinion. Your surgeon should be able to remove some of the fat, no?
@@thehonestchannel they are eager to facetite or inject fat destroyers, but not in cheeks. They do jawlines and such but not higher. I’ve looked everywhere. Maybe ultherapy? It needs to go at least 3-4mm deep
@@nvb455hi i know this comments is super old but could you please tell me what you ended up doing? i need help
I can see this with rf micronedling...but my little dermawand...I wouldn't think ti would be heating up fat to any extent. I would like to know.
No, I wouldn’t think the Dermawand could cause fat loss. A bit like microcurrent it’s stimulating the skin nearer the surface.
@@thehonestchannel thank you. I adore this channel.
@@betzib8021 Aww, thank you 😊
Is hifo is safe for double chin?
Do you think that this effect of losing fat could result from the use of Foreo Bear, or in general, microcurrent use on the face?
There's not a lot of evidence around that and I do use microcurrent myself but I like to keep it on a gentle current. Gentle stimulation is the way - and I would avoid using it daily.
@@thehonestchannel Thank you for your insight. Love this channel keep it up! x
@@SummerLuvinAlai Thank you!
I love being Fibroblasted its cheap and the most effective for wrinkles texture
Thanks for sharing your experience
What about nebulyft device. Does it make fat loss ??
Hi. I cover how to use RF devices safely at home in this video czcams.com/video/WgXccuB8dOI/video.html
Does regular microneedling without the RF also cause fat loss?
Hi. There's no evidence that I'm aware of to link microneedling on its own to fat loss.
It’s SO difficult to find a decent provider that won’t mess up RF! It feels like you either pay a ton and wait a long time for someone internet famous, or you’re screwed. I’m very interested in Thermage but I’m scared!
There will be lots of experienced practitioners out there but I do agree it can be a difficult decision.
Would this be a good thing if you hsve a wide and fatty nose?
Interesting question but not one I can answer I’m afraid. Sorry not to be more helpful
Can this treatment get rid of overfilling from fat grafting to the face?
You would need to speak to a specialist about that I think. Facial fat loss is an unwanted side effect in some cases of RF skin tightening treatments and difficult for practitioners to accurately predict. For that reason I don't think you'd be offered this as a solution for overfilled fat transfer but you would be best to speak to an aesthetic doctor about that.
A 15 minutes rf treatment, which happened only once can cause fat loss?
I have heard from viewers who had that experience, yes.
I had 3 V beam lasers for facial redness and im 38 and I have lost fat from it and my skin looks saggier now.
Really sorry to hear this 😔
Hi I am 28 years old male and was looking at RF Micro needling to burn a bit of fat on my cheeks, I don’t like my chubby cheeks and want a more chiseled face. Is this a good idea ?
I used to really dislike my baby face and chubby cheeks, now aged 50 I'm thankful every day for them. I would leave your face alone and just use sunscreen to protect your skin - you'll thank yourself in years to come!
@@thehonestchannel thanks so much! This saved me a trip. Would you recommend standard micro needling then just for the skin tightening aspect?
@@drawdownfx4415 I haven't personally tried microneedling so I can't recommend it but I know a lot of people swear by it and I see it as one of the more effective and safest options out there.
This happened to me I had high frequency with heat treatment initially the result was great but 6 months later my face lost fat and started looking hollow I stopped this treatment
If you look out on the channel in the next few days I am posting another video featuring a scientist on how to restore lost facial fat.
Did you use at home device or at the salon?
@@thehonestchannel hi Claire, what video is it you are referring to about restoring lost facial fat cells? Thank you so much
@@nicolebrook2610 This is it Nicole czcams.com/video/ItuJlJbfW2E/video.html
How many times did you do HIFU and for how long.
Can you use a home RF device to melt fat pads under the eyes?
Most home RF devices are not intended to melt fat - that would be an unwanted side effect for most users.
In most cases they are also unlikely to be powerful enough to melt fat but they are not intended for use around the eyes because the skin is so delicate.
My advice would be not to attempt to try to do this at home but to seek a professional opinion.
No, because those are prolapsed orbital fat though thinner septum( think tight belt on tummy effect)- you need to dissect to septum, release, use some tightening technique, remove some excess fat - essentially a lower lid blepharoplasty +/- mid face lift - I am a qualified UK oculoplastic surgeon doing this type of surgery - some people do it through conjunctiva- no skin incision
Thank you both. I am seeing an occuplastic surgeon in just a couple of weeks. I appreciate your replies to my question. Very informative.
@@whiteloria Wishing you the best Lori!
So, I guess it work well for legs and abdomen then?
We were discussing treatments primarily designed for treating your face and neck, but there are RF machines for fat loss too - although I haven't tried one.
Hi, is there any one good in the uk doing facial fat transfer?
I don't have any experience of that I'm afraid.
What about fat freezing?
How long does it take for the body to naturally restore and regenerate fat on your face after this procedure? I had RF Microneedling 2 months ago (1.3mm depth, 120w power) and I feel like there has been fat loss on my cheek area which I'm not happy about at all. I assumed RF Microneedling did not go as deep as ultrasound so fat loss would not be an issue. Obviously this is not true. I also feel the medical Dr who carried out the treatment should not have targeted my upper cheek area but should have only focused on the lower face.
There isn't a straight-forward answer on that one, I'm afraid. How much fat loss can be restored and over what period will depend on a number of factors including age and lifestyle. There are also products that can support facial fat renewal. I've looked at this issue in some depth on the channel and you can find related content on this playlist czcams.com/play/PLwJwOmOzK8TAGf3mve4VBPTzMmQCmp9zE.html
@@thehonestchannel Thanks for your reply. From watching a few of your videos it appears you've had Ultherapy and a few RF treatments, in the past, and you still have fantastic facial fat volume. Did you use fillers to restore the volume lost due to heating or did the body's natural defence mechanism of equilibrium reverse the fat atrophy? I hope you don't mind me asking. 😊
@@glory1ifyHi. Not everyone loses fat with these treatments but it’s a bit of a mystery as to why. Differences in skin type, age etc are probably big factors. I think I may have lost a little far with Ultherapy but most of it came back naturally over a couple of years. I’ve done a lot in facial fat loss and restoration and have a playlist dedicated to it on the channel which you may want to take a look at.
@@thehonestchannel Yes, I'm hearing from quite a few people, online, that the facial fat naturally restored itself over time. The Dr who undertook my RF Microneedling treatment is a specialist in internal medicine and she reassured me that any fat atrophy seen would not be permanent. So fingers crossed. Thanks for your feedback. 👍🏾
as shallow as 1.3 can even cause fat loss? i am really scared right now
The good news is that we know that the treatments work for fat loss😂😂😂❤. Skip the face but use it for the tummy
Exactly. They don't want to. Lose money. I want the fat loss! That's the point.
I wish I would have known this could happen. I had Thermage done a week and a half ago.
I think the fat loss would show quite quickly Susan so if you're happy with the results at this stage then I don't think you should worry.
@@thehonestchannel Unfortunately, the fat loss has happened. As soon as the procedure was done I noticed that I had marionette lines. Then, now I have volume loss in the top of my cheeks. I have already reported this to them. My question is does the fat or volume come back?
@@thehonestchannel hoping it doesn't get worse. And if it was going to take fat away, then it should've taken the fat around my jawline and my neck. I now have a jowl on a side I didn't have one. I wish I could post before and afters here. I just really want to know if the volume can be built back naturally.
@@Susan-nb3ep Was it done by a medical practitioner? It would be worth contacting them to see what they suggest
@@Susan-nb3ep I’m so sorry that’s happened. There hasn’t been a lot of research about fat loss and also whether and how quickly it can be replaced. Some experts will say it can and others that it can’t. If it’s any comfort I felt I lost a bit of volume in my cheeks with Ultherapy but I think I have regained at least some of the volume
Does lumo cause facial fat loss?
I explore the fat loss risk in this video czcams.com/video/WgXccuB8dOI/video.html
How about red light does it cause fat loss ?
I’ve not seen any evidence of that.
Has anyone here got experience with potenza? I received a few days ago and now seeing comments I am very worried
I wouldn't want to worry you with this video. It's important for patients to be aware that fat loss has been reported as a side effect of heat-based treatments but it is not the norm. In the hands of experienced medical practitioners these treatments are usually safely conducted.
I believe Fat loss from RF & ultrasound is not permanent, and can come back with time. A good example is Former super model Linda Evangelista who’s all over social media about her horrible & adverse side effect from device fat loss. SHe had Cool sculpt ( fat freeze) at a reputable medical office to get rid of fat from her face and body. Not only did the fat come back, but it multiplied leaving her looking a lot heavier than what she started with. She wouldn’t leave home for a long time because she felt ashamed of how she looked. I guess that means that device fat loss does come back with time. It is not permanent.
Red light skin therapy masks or hand held devices are a good treatment before the micro current face lifting. It warms up and prepares the muscles before tightening and lifting. However, if one has melasma or dark pigmentation.. Red light therapy can make it worse.
I believe Linda Evangelista’s problems with the over production of fat under her chin was linked to the CoolSculpting. I’ve done a couple of interviews with Ivan Galanin on the channel on the subject of fat renewal which you may find interesting. In the more recent one we discuss Linda Evangelista specifically
@@thehonestchannel can you please post the video link to your interview of Linda Evangelist? I'm new to your channel and watching everything multiple times 🙏
@@nicolebrook2610 Hi Nicole. I didn’t interview Linda Evangelista, I just recorded a video about what happened to her czcams.com/video/J0ALkRQvtgc/video.html
She most likely had fat transfers though.
How about HIFU. Like the HIFU mini 2.0? Also how often should we use them when we are in our 40/50's with some jowling?
I don’t have any experience of the HIFU mini but, as with other RF or ultrasound devices, I would use it sparingly and - as Dr Westreich suggests - avoid areas where you can’t afford to lose fat, particularly around the eyes and forehead. I use my Lumo fortnightly for just a few minutes, slowly moving it along and focussing on my jowls.
@@thehonestchannel I think I'll stick to my facial exercises. Right now I'm doing Eva Fraser. As for the device I will only use it for the jowls.
@@thehonestchannel One thing I wanted to ask you about was EMS to ask the plastic surgeon, when you have time. The mini HIFU 2.0 has all 3 EMS, RF, and HIFU. I wanted you to ask if the EMS is safe to use at what levels for people of certain ages like late 40's 50's and on. Also about if the devices we use with RF and HIFU at home if we put it at the highest level does it burn fat like the professional stuff the doctor /esthetician uses. Also how often should we be using them? I heard once a month. Then I read 2- 3 times a week until we see results. I'm afraid and confused.
@@theathea3064 Smart thinking! I was using my RF device all over my face until my interview with Dr Westreich. From now on, I'm primarily sticking to the jowls too.
@@theathea3064 From the research I've looked at, EMS appears pretty safe to use frequently - and I certainly use it four to five times a week for a few minutes a day without any problems. I'm speaking to another doctor very shortly about the safety of at-home devices, but unless they work for the manufacturer it would be difficult for cosmetic surgeons and specialists to know about the power settings of individual devices - so that's a harder one for them to answer. I am speaking to a manufacturer about the power settings though so I will share what I've learned about heat intensity and safety when I publish an update on the Lumo RF device in the next couple of months.
What about NEWA devices?
Hi. You might find this video on the safety of at-home devices helpful czcams.com/video/cLyN0fWt13U/video.html You can’t rule out the possibility of fat loss with any RF device so it’s important to use them carefully, avoiding the eye area and on a low setting above the brow.
this wrecked my face radio frequency
That’s why I only use them on my body 😂
Does it tighten the belly?
Lol!!!! People need to use common sense with this. Number one- When listening to any "expert" always remember the old adage- Follow the money!!! He's a famous plastic surgeon. He makes the biggest part of his income performing plastic surgeries, not doing non surgical face treatments. He is naturally going to do what is best for him to make the most money. Which means that he will scare people away from a treatment that costs very little and is now available for home use. I have had the Lumo for 2 weeks and have used it almost every other day. I am 70 and was a smoker, sun bather when I was younger, and ate the usual crappy American food. I have lots of wrinkles and loose facial skin with not much fat. Part of that is also due to the fact that I have dentures and that makes your lower face cave in and wrinkle. I am very pleased with the results so far. My cheeks and middle face have now plumped up and the part where my nasal folds have fallen are no longer as noticable. Hmmmm. My upper cheeks were skinny before.... but have plumped up now. I do not believe that the heat of the instrument is enough to melt the fat. I think that's a deliberate falsehood. Think about all the times you lay out in the Sun and how hot you get. I'm sure the heat goes deeper than a half inch down into your body. How many of us have lost fat from sunbathing????? If all of this were true, women would be heating up their bodies to get rid of their fat. Common sense, people. Just because someone is a famous expert, don't think they won't lie to keep their money coming in!!!!
To be fair he says RF is the most effective skin tightening treatment out there and he personally uses it on his clients so he isn’t trying to scare anyone off. I also use and rate the Lumo and the risk of fat loss with an at-home device will be low but cannot be ignored. It needs to be used cautiously and I have covered that in other videos.
I’ve spoken to the makers of the Lumo and it should be used on one of the lowest settings above the cheekbones
Heat from the sun will not penetrate to the deeper layers of your skin in the way RF or Ultherapy is designed to.
Fat loss from ultrasound treatments is a widely reported issue.
I can attest that this PS is 1000% correct. Radio frequency/heat DEFINITELY does and WILL melt fat cells! I found that out the hard way. They used the machine above the danger zone (upper cheeks) and my once high cheek bones are now mid-high and my lower cheeks are now newly formed jowls. Do your research! People that have gotten this done by inexperienced non-medically trained providers now unfortunately have to get facelifts to fix these horrible botched jobs. Trust me, if this happened to your face, you’d believe it!! Be thankful it didn’t ☹️
@@violadevlin9883 I’m so sorry you had that experience Viola. Totally agree that people need to choose practitioners and treatments very carefully and be fully alert to the risks.
i did IPL for skin brightening, my face looks good at first but after a week , i lose face fats, which is not good i become look old than before
Really sorry to hear you had that experience.
Do you think the Ipl for hair removal is the same I’ve used it on the face 🫥
Would the fat loss be permanent?
I believe with RF the risk would be melting the fat rather than killing the fat cells so the fat could build up again over time. On areas with very little fat (above the cheekbones) it would be harder to replace than say under the chin, if that makes sense. That’s why it’s safer to use RF on areas where a small amount of fat loss is not a big problem.
@@thehonestchannel radio frequency causes aptosis (cell death), so yes the fat cell loss is permanent.
Do RF treatments really stimulate collagen and elastin?
I lost fat in my face from an interesting source.
I have pitting on the left side, and a pouch of fat loss on two areas…
Not fun, not to mention expensive
I'm sorry to hear this.
I've been badly damaged by morpheus8 8 months ago. Fat loss, scarring and indents all over and face now like wax. Temples have lost fat
They did my whole face and neck!!!!
That is so upsetting for you - I’m really sorry to hear that. Are the clinic involved going to do anything for you or to compensate?
Anyone ever complain of their hearing changed after this?