Problem Railroad Crossings Of 7 Mile Ohio & Huge CSX Auto Racks Train On Norfolk Southern Main Line
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2021
- Railroad crossing problems in Seven Mile Ohio revisit. Look how fast this Norfolk Southern freight train flies over this railroad crossing north of Hamilton Ohio at 7 Mile. Then we see a CSX local switching freight train go across the huge railroad bridge over the Great Miami River. After looking at an abandoned trailer park by the railroad tracks we then see a huge CSX auto racks train going through the wye onto the Norfolk Southern main line toward Cincinnati. The problem railroad crossing is interesting. This is my second visit to this crossing. I saw this on Channel 9 News from Cincinnati. The news media stopped there at least twice to meet with the local residents who are complaining about trains blocking the crossing. Local residents were holding signs protesting the 3 crossings. One person said that they were going to talk to a property owner about using his property if their local officials couldn't solve the problem. I'm still not clear on what the problem is so I will probably have to return again. Both times that I was there the trains flew across all 3 crossings in just a matter of minutes. Maybe they go slower at times or stop but I don't know. I wish Channel 9 would have better explained the complaint. Trains have got longer with the Harriman effect of combining 2 trains together to save money so maybe that has something to do with it. I just want to know what the exact issue is with the 3 crossings. I got there just before noon and stayed until the evening and only 2 trains went by. The second one was a double stack train that I didn't film because it caught me off guard and I couldn't get into position in time. I am trying to find out exactly what the problem is. As the news media always says: "We are working to learn." Wow, that really looks stupid when I put that in print. But it's true, the news media says that all the time.
I went to Hamilton to film after that. If anymore trains would have gone through Seven Mile I would have known it since that line connects into the line that goes through Hamilton. Check out the railroad crossing lights for the abandoned trailer park. They still work. Should I go back and film them in action? Also, leave a comment as to how fast that first train was going. Trains on the Norfolk Southern New Castle Sub use 160.440 and trains on the CSX line through Hamilton call out the signals on 160.230 and the EOT frequency is 452.9375. Yes, I am aware that they use other frequencies as well but these are the main road frequencies and the defect detectors are on these frequencies. I filmed these trains on September 8, 2021. Thanks for watching!
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Problem Crossing Update: TV news reported on January 22, 2024 that a bypass road will be built along the tracks so that residents will have a way in and out for stopped trains. It will cost over 3 million dollars. Butler county will pay ten percent and the state will pay the rest. Norfolk Southern will kick in 45 grand. Should take place in 2026. I will do an update video soon.
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You and your family are so loving and kind to your animals, even adopting a stray cat and giving it a wonderful home.
Those trains are so amazingly long.
Great video, especially the end where Norfie is getting a bath. I'm glad you're keeping the cat.
IT has been 62 years since I was at that location. Old memories
Cool! I will be going back again soon.
Awesome video, Mr JT. The TV company should've done a better job in explaining that crossing complaint problem! Bad reporting. Beautiful animals at the end. Keep it up.
I went with a coworker to pick up lunch one day. On our return trip we were delayed by a train of about 11,000 feet that was creeping along about 8 MPH. He said "Man! This train is slow". I relied saying "if you think about it, it's a miracle that it can even move this fast, if you consider that there is approximately 14.69 pounds of air pressure pushing on each and every square inch of its surface. Inside and out". He turned and looked at me and said, "Kays, you are a real smart-ass". d8^D
Nice to see the cat. That first train was really moving it through Seven Mile. Only 58 cars but they were hauling.
Yes it was. The cat is doing great. We gave her a bath so she doesn't stink anymore. We found fleas though so we have to get that under control
the more you give that cute kitty a bath. kitty will not be afraid of any water issues. I've one done in the past. my friend used to have one like your kitty and takes a shower. later time (his kitty growing up) when he takes a shower, kitty joins by hopping in the bathtub as well. Just amazing.
Wow, that is cool! I never hear of that
Good video. Really nice kitten. The last time I made an attempt to run two kittens through the car wash and flea treatment I had bandages on my hands and lower arms for a week. She really has a friendly personality. Now to get the dogs acclimated to having a new friend. Always interesting locations and many with the small hometown feel with street running, etc. Your western fans are learning a lot about eastern railroading.
" That train was so long I had to take my shirt off" good thing it wasn't any longer or the pants may have come off. 😂🤣😂
Lol
I was totally expecting a DPU on that one....
Jaw tooth ur funny
Good to see the kitty getting a bath.
I can hear Chris Farley now; "I went to the railroad tracks down by the river!"
Please go back some day to see if that trailer park signal still works. Yellow and white? What unusual colors.
Brian, As always thank you for the wonderful description. I know how much work that takes.
Your videos are always loaded with exciting things. We never know what is around the next bend.
Loved the dog bath. LOL
That trailer park signal, @ 11:45, looks like the ones on the Ashland parallel streets (Virtual Railfan Live Cams). The top light flashes red, while the bottom is a steady "NO LEFT TURN". I would suspect this is the same.
Cool shared rail bridge! That was a long autorack train! Thanks for finding all of these new locations! Thanks for speeding up the video on the boring train with all the same autorack cars. Love to see Chessie at the end of the video and even some video of The kitten!
That is kind of a scary place to railfan. Grab me one of those insulators, will you? 😅. Jam packed video, enjoyed very much! Glad the kitty is being cared for.
I want one to!
Thanks 👍
I still see them every once in a while
You can buy the insulators on eBay or Etsy
I found many at antique stores. I have downsized considerably though so they're all gone.
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Both NS and CSX regularly block crossings between Seven Mile and Hamilton (NS) and between Trenton and Hamilton (CSX). The problem is the shared rail between New Miami and Butler Street sometimes gets busy and trains have to wait for long periods of time for their route thru the area. Also the trains have gotten a lot longer lately.
Good to see recognition from the drivers! Thumbs up too for keeping the cat 👍👍
Thanks 👍
Hey Jaw tooth I think what they are complaining about is trains stopping on crossings and not moving at all. Have a great railroad day
Another great presentation Jaw Tooth and thanks for the track your. Found it fascinating that in one small area there were four different rail manufacturers with different weights and production years. Cudos to you for dropping some knowledge.
Cool, thanks!
I hadn't noticed until today when I was using my headphones rather than laptop speakers what good sound quality your recorder picks up. The info about the rail by that bridge was neat too.
When you’re ever back in Pennsylvania, there’s a cool Norfolk southern trestle bridge in yellow breeches creek outside of boiling springs. It’s a nice spot and normally get at least 2 trains within an hour.
Thanks for taking the time to find these weird and wonderful locations. That cat sure fell on its feet with you's guys.
Glad you enjoyed it! It looks like she is here to stay.
Looks like Norfie adopted you and the family. 8-) You may own a dog , but the cat owns you.
very true about norfie,,,,,,,,,,,,,and never forget,,,,,,,,,,,cats love obedient people...............
I really like when you show the info. on the rails, very interesting great job JT.
Thanks 👍
Two possible explanations:
1. Trains servicing grain bin(s) directly adjacent to grade crossing
2. Suburbanites and city folk moving to the rural communities and getting more than they bargained for
I also had someone make an interesting comment. Someone said that maybe the trains have to wait to enter the CSX tracks at the interchange. I don't know but that is something that I didn't consider. I will figure it out and post a new video soon.
If it's the elevator, then the residents' complaints are 100% justified. A train that's servicing that elevator should stop so that the cars left on the main aren't blocking the crossing. So, if it's picking up cars, it should stop with the entire train behind the crossing; if it's setting down cars, it should stop so that the cut point is behind the crossing. No need to block the crossing for any extended time.
Interesting how they joined those different rails together. They had to bend the heavier rail at the joint to make it fit to the same level as the lighter rail.
The markings on the rails are very interesting . Now I have to check out some tracks near my home .
Very interesting to learn about rails. The year of production, manufacturer and specs. You should implement that in every video. Really cool!!
Great suggestion!
Awesome video JT!!!
There's 3 crossings which are the only way in and out of the neighborhood, the trains sometimes stop and block all three. This leaves residents trapped, and cut off from emergency services.
Thanks Brian for all the great video's....
Glad you like them!
WoW #117 auto car’s that was a long train. And JT I love it when you show the info on the tracks pretty cool. Keep up the great work. And thanks for sharing.!!
Thanks 👍
I hope you can figure out why the local residents are protesting about the trains blocking the crossings. Like you I could not see what the problem was. The first train seemed to be moving at a good speed. The local looked cool going over that bridge. From what you showed us of the lay of the land by the bridge, I would say that anyone going near that bridge should be very cautious when they walk around the area. The CSX auto rack train was certainly a long train. Thank you for putting this video together and for uploading it for us to watch. Norfie looked like she could have taken a pass on the bath. But she did need to be cleaned up.
Great video Jawtooth! Great catch on the bridge! Love them places where you can see remnants of old history left, them old telegraph insulators are cool! That 1964 rail is my age! I bet Norfie smells better now! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed! I know of quite a few places with insulators. I found some next to a new hiking trail in Cincinnati by the tracks. Someone will find them eventually.
You should contact the news station that did the story & ask them what the issue is. I've contacted our local stations about stories in the past via facebook or phone call. They've always been cordial and answered my questions.
Nice bright red shirt. Another beautiful day for trains. Keep em coming. Thanks
Thanks for your videos, watch them when I can. Take care.
Thanks, you too!
Earlier this year, I parked at that old trailer park.
There was a NS train stopped at the crossing and 3rd loco back was the NYC ,,,NS,,,,,heritage loco.
Awesome!
Great video again. I really enjoy them.
Glad you like them!
Wowee!! That was cool. I noticed there was no road traffic in site of the troublesome crossings when either train was passing!! Strange. However, as the autoracks took eleven minutes just to pass by, I think even I would frazzle, and I love trains!! I only saw one vehicle waiting when the train had passed though. Perhaps others had turned away. Shout out to WWOT to get well soon from Birmingham UK. 🙂🙂🙂
I wonder how WWOT is doing. I see that he gave a few hearts to commenters a day ago. I hope he starts posting soon. He is almost at 100K and I can't wait to see him get that award. One of the few channels that I watch regularly on here
Great video on the girder bridge👍!
Thanks 👍
Great video Jawtooth loved the live action trains I enjoyed it alot the cat seems to be enjoying himself
Thank you very much!
I could see an issue if there were a siding or a yard nearby - then you might have some back and forth switching which could shorten tempers. As fast as those train went by or as short as the local was - I don't see the issue either :) BTW there is a steel mill in Cleveland - Arcelor Mittal. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a rolling mill there. I see the kitty is getting some TLC - he will be a good kitty I am sure :)
I thought the issue was that the trains were stopped for long periods of time, blocking crossings which prevented local residents from crossing the tracks.
@@tomhill4765 I think that's what JT was looking for and there was nothing like that. Fast trains, no yard nearby and no siding.
Then what’s that track with the metal stop on it from, the one Jaw Tooth is standing on while filming the first train?
Look close at 1:17 at that siding up ahead, maybe a train stops, uncouples to pull forward and back something into that siding, and blocks the crossings for a while. That may be the issue. Let's see what JT can find out.
@@Hahninator If it's the elevator, then the residents' complaints are 100% justified. A train that's servicing that elevator should stop so that the cars left on the main aren't blocking the crossing. So, if it's picking up cars, it should stop with the entire train behind the crossing; if it's setting down cars, it should stop so that the cut point is behind the crossing. No need to block the crossing for any extended time.
It is my understanding that a neighborhood does not have a exit that isn't potentially blocked by a train track. If all the tracks were blocked, residents fear that an emergency vehicle would have a problem getting to someone in that neighborhood.
Excellente video Jaw! That's always a pleasure to watch! hope again the little kitten is fine after his shower.
Yes, thanks the kitty is doing fine
The Auto Rack train had 116 cars in it - two cars short of being a two-miler.
The only thing I can think of to explain crossings being blocked is the possibility of broken knuckles or ruptured air lines, as train crews don't block crossings out of spite. Even bad bearings could cause a stop long enough for a visual inspection.
There's a neighbourhood to the south that can only be accessed by three rail crossings. If a train stops over those three crossings, that neighbourhood is completely cut off.
WooHoo nice train variety, interesting how they change the rail size for that bridge !! Awwwww kitty got a bath.
Great video !! 👍
Giving that kitten a bath, you all good people Jaw Tooth !
Thanks!
Inconvenienced by a train, late for work because you didn't get out of bed early enough?
Consider if the trains stop running on those tracks taxes go down less jobs less money no work. Be thankful that the trains are running and if you're inconvenienced occasionally so what get over it.
Y'all to thank you jaw tooth thank you I did think it was a waste to see all that railroad metal laying around that bridge and into water I think you do a good job I think you enjoy this I learned something from you every once in awhile and I have a good time watching the trains and listening to him God bless you I wish you could come to Spencer in North Carolina and look at the Museum there the trains look it up on mine and see what you can learn and again thank you mr. Jawtooth
Awesome video, dam that autorack train was neverending..
Right!
Even double time that CSX auto rack train took forever to pass by!
Great entertainment cheers Jt. Chris from England
I ride the bike path in the other side of the river from where you shot that CSX. Had Norfolk Southern go right over me yesterday, it was cool!
Awesome!
Great video. Seemed to have a little bit of everything........... Thanks much.
That's Y-101 the local headed to New River Yard.
Great vids. Stuck around to see the kitty. So cute!!!
Thank you! 😊
@@JawTooth I live up in North Central Indiana. How is the train traffic in Hamilton
What a great video!! One of of you best yet...😁
Wow, thanks!
Interesting about the differences in rail.I guess they would put heavier rail on the bridge.Surprised there is no fence or rail along that edge so nobody at night falls over the edge.Norfie liked the cat bath!!
116 cars! The longest auto rack train I've ever seen!
How do different companies keep track of their rail cars or who owns what rail cars a video on that would be great 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
Wow nice video! Greetings from Dutch Railroads!
Thank you very much!
Northie didn't seem to mind having her bath. Hope she appreciates getting rid of that stink you were talking about. Come to think of it - Maybe she liked the bath, eh? Still, she's got good people looking after her now. Best wishes from the UK.
Thankx Alan!
All part of being a domesticated animal.
@Jon Bargmann those are little dogs!! Haha. I have 2 Newfies and a Saint, and don't think they are big dogs @ 140 to 155 lbs.
NS, CSX, BNSF, Union Pacific, CN, CP have come to Mexico and I have seen many automotive and intermodal trains of all kinds .... I always see Ferromex and KCSM.
Amazing videos jaw tooth keep up the good work
Thanks! Will do!
It might have something to do with the grain elevator next to the grade crossing, especially with trains switching grain cars in and out.
They can perfectly well switch the elevator without leaving the cars on the main blocking the crossing.
Cool video, last train was a long one! Love the kitty and pup at the end!!
Thank you very much!
Good video, mr Jaw Tooth.
That CSX have no hurry, on that railroad is a speed limit in use, i think 10 m/ph.
Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands.
I know they usually go faster than 10 but I'm not sure what the track speed limit is. I will look next time
Great video
Up here in Kalamazoo, Michigan
I'm not aware of CSX traffic
They may run.
North/South
The main freight company
Use to be Norfolk/Southern
A few years ago it became
Grand Elk
The main track runs Amtrak
But freight trains use it
They come out of the East
And then switch over and run South
At one time, There was a building
Where they would switch track manually
But now it's automatic
Interesting!
Love the videos jaw !!
Thanks!
I love watching! I have always wondered how those cars get graffitied because some of those look like they could take some time to create! I don’t know how long those cars sit for any graffiti to be put on them. They have to be pretty quick to apply it.. lol..
They can sit for a while in yards. Often several hours; sometimes days.
Jaw Tooth, the problem lays with the grain elevator track, if a local freight stops about 12 car-lengths from the crossing while it is dealing with that grain elevator. That is what I came up with as a theory.
If it's the elevator, then the residents' complaints are 100% justified. A train that's servicing that elevator should stop so that the cars left on the main aren't blocking the crossing. So, if it's picking up cars, it should stop with the entire train behind the crossing; if it's setting down cars, it should stop so that the cut point is behind the crossing. No need to block the crossing for any extended time.
If you ever pick a shoulder plate, they make for excellent shop doorstops.
The first crossing (W Elkton Rd.) looks like it could have an underpass where that little stream is (put that in a pipe!). That also look like a high angle crossing, maybe a risk to trucks? A couple of crossings also look like they could have a bridge built over the track. (Maybe W. Ritter St.) But first they would have to prove a real need.
Love your videos brother
Glad you like them!
Hey Jawtooth. I worked in Hamilton years ago. During rush hour, trains would block the intersections for a long time causing traffic to back up. So I am guessing that problem has not been resolved, but I'm not sure since I have not driven rush hour up that way for a long time.
My sister lives in Liberty Township outside Hamilton and there are several spots in Hamilton where there are either overpasses or underpasses to get around the tracks although there are still spots where trains can back up traffic.
Check out the painting of Jason on the autorack car. It also says, Relive the horror. At 1.50
Somehow I missed that. I would have put that in the slideshow at the end if I would have seen that. Someone put a lot of work into that. Awesome!
The last time, that I heard is has only 5 Minutes to block the cities main streets or the Railroad Companies could be getting fines for blocking city streets over the 5 Minute limit.
Also, I noticed that Amtrak's Chicago, Illinois to Detroit, Pontiac, Michigan trains have a engine pulling and an pushing the Passenger Trains.
14:30 Looks like Snarf went from running with the Thundercats to tagging auto racks.
They really put some work into that
It's likely when that spur is being switched. They leave part of the train on the main in the crossing circuit, or as they shove towards the crossing to clear the switch it activates the crossing. A common problem with switching near crossings. Also, crossings close together sometimes activate at the same time or very close together depending on the distance between them and track speed.
Then they can just leave the cars farther back. It seems the actual problem is that there's a neighbourhood just to the south which can only be accessed by three rail crossings. That neighbourhood is completely cut off if a train stops over the crossings.
The switch yard at Lansing Michigan GM assembly looks to be stuffed to the gills with autoracks. Chip problem for the automakers is creating a large trickle down effect!
I just saw something about that on another channel. The automakers have lots with thousands of cars parked there waiting for chips. Cars, games, phones, fridges - it is affecting everything 'smart'.
Yep @Dan. It has slowed work down for my friend. His company ships out and receives something in the auto world and they are slow
Oh, my, noticed local car lots looking pretty thinned-out and wondered what was going on!
@@PlanetMojo The vast majority of cars were likely made right there in Lansing. Lansing has 2 plants. The Grand River Plant, downtown, and the Lansing Delta Assembly, which is right near that loading yard. It's easy to see from I-69 between Potterville and Lansing.
As far as Autoracks. They store them there for other plants, so if you see dozens of them there it may not mean much of anything. The normally store them in the small yard that's there, but if it's full, they store them at the loading facility.
I see empty ones go by on the tracks that go through the town I live. It's cheaper and safer to store them there. The cars are loaded at night, so not to interfere with the operations when they bring in cars all day long. They do load during the day, but most are done at night. Since they load at most of the day and night, depending on demand, the chance of people tagging them, or damaging them is remote. It's well lit at night and there's always people there.
Other yards are prone to tagging and vandalism and all.
@@thephantomeagle2 They have parked thousand of cars all over Lansing. Some are on MSU parking lots. After they are parked, they take out the cars computer and take it back to the assembly line so they can drive another one out and park it as best as I understand.
117 autoracks and so many different flags not to mention artwork, great find & shoot!
I live on a dead end road in Butler County that was on news for being blocked by STOPPED trains for 1.5 hrs. Three or four times a year. Up to 6 hours of stopped train waiting for train to get here and pass.
I saw that on the news again last night. I see they are putting in a bypass road so that you will have an exit. I'm going to do an update to this video now that I have more information. I went there a bunch of times trying to figure out what was going on because the news just doesn't give all the information.
That is neat with the 4 companies of rolled rails leading to the trestle.
Jawtooth you are an artist at heart, great video sleuthing and thanks for not complaining about the graffiti. I too think that some of it is quite magnificent.
Well said!
That was really something how the first train was hauling the mail then the second train was slow as a turtle.
Cat didn't look happy. Good video.
Nice catches as usual. It looks like Mrs.JawTooth is going to take good care of that kitten.
Yes we just need to take care of the flea problem
In your opening. If that elevator is regularly switched, I could see a train tying up the crossings in those 3 places.
I don't know if they ship grain out of here anymore. NS has used the siding for maintenance of way equipment in the past couple of years
Most folks are so ridiculously impatient. Right before their eyes is what makes their country able to do business in fulfilling their needs. More trains means less truck traffic.Also much less traffic congestion.
Another super duper Jawtooth video son! Thanks! 👍🏻
My pleasure!
Might have to build underpasses at the crossings of W Elkton Rd and Spring Road or find another location for the grain bins.
I’m guessing there was a washout just before that bridge that needed recent repair. Norfie gets a bath! She’s pretty cooperative. 😸
She was very easy to give a bath to. I thought she would scratch us
@@JawTooth sometimes they’re notably grateful 💕
Whew, the train on the video of the first crossing as moving really fast. I can imagine someone “trying” that crossing by going around the arms and miss judging how fast the train was upon them. This would be especially true of one coming from the far lane, whereas a person must turn their head a bit further to the right than most are able to naturally, causing a blind side, should they fail to stop, and turn to the right with their whole body. Yeah, I could see people not getting a good look at that fast moving train.
The only thing I can see problematic about the second train, the really short one, is that it was moving really slow. A person would have to sit a long time waiting for it to get by so they could continue on.
The third train was incredibly long, as in forever!
Awesome video
Awesome video 🇺🇸👍😎
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The silos at the first site were a clue to me, in that switching for loading/unloading might tie things up for a bit.
Yes but they rarely do anthing with that siding
@@JawTooth yeah, you know how folks can get. Hold them for a second longer than they think is needed and they'll pitch a screaming fit, call the news instead of using reasoning skills and obvious logic to figure things out for themselves.
There's no reason to block the crossing when switching that siding: they can cut the cars on the main before the crossing so it's not blocked. Somebody commented that there's a neighbourhood just to the south of there whose only access is across three crossings, spanning a mile of track. A stopped train can block all of those at once and completely cut off the neighbourhood.
Yus, that Car Transporter was long. Maybe that's what the complaining was about. If one of them stop in town, it'll take up a bitof space. It was so long I nearly dozed off at count 60 or thereabouts. Three in one video. Great stuff. I guess Norfie is one of the family now? The dogs will get used to her. Cheers Jaw Tooth. Keep Well, sir.
The CSX auto rack train didn't go down that line with the problem crossings. The kids really love Norfie and the dogs are starting to play with her so I would say she is here to stay
@@JawTooth I am happy to hear that Norfie is doing well, and settling in nicely. The dogs are playing with her already, that's great!
I have had cats ever since my college days (back when the dinosaurs roamed). I think you'll find that they make nice pets too, just not quite so active as dogs.
Glad you took in the cat. Nice gesture. Also a very nice video. Thanks. 😊🐈🦮👍🇺🇸
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