When tanks often cover so much of what Guard, specifically, want to do, it is nice to get some talk of the infantry! While I am looking forward to the elite infantry chat, I'm personally looking more forward to the HQs. I can't really say how happy I was when the Cadian Castellan got released; FINALLY a dedicated Guard officer, with decent assortment of kit, and it looked cool! Of course, most Guard weren't about kit; they took to the field barebones, and just slung orders, but then 10e made gear free, and you could take the useless power sword, and plasma pistol, and it was okay. Now, though, the named characters have taken the center, and seem just better then anything you might cobble together through the Castellan unit, or you'll take the Krieg version. Yada yada, I'm looking forward to seeing what you recommend for when you do take a Castellan, or Marshall? If any Relics you still pay for, or other Enhancements, will feature, since we never see them past Leontus, Creed, and Straken.
There is an argument for giving the cadian shock troop sergeant a bolt pistol so they can still complete actions while in combat, a bit of an edge case but it's probably worth it ... and the autogun got nerfed since it's no longer rapid fire (should have been assault at least imho)
@@konradd7567 true but infantry squads should already have a plasma pistol sergeant and the same should be true for all your scion squads Fun fact is that one of your guys in the scion command squad can have a hotshot lasgun, hotshot pistol, medipack, and regimental standard leaving the other 3 to carry special weapons. Also vox on scions is generally not worth it in general
The look of the data sheet screams placeholder there's probably a new box in the works. If they're going to be the close combat squad they should get lots of stuff. Shotguns, flamers, melt a guns. Maybe a special rule for landmines or a demo charge? Sergeant should have some nice melee options to go with their special rule.
I really hope there's a new box for the Catachans in the works. They could make a really good assault squad. Flamers, heavy flamers, shotguns, melta guns maybe even rules for mines or demo charges. They could go so far as to give them a unique Catachan knife profile.
I really loved this video format and found it quite useful!! I'd be curious of the loadouts for other units aswell so I am looking forward to videos covering those too!
Dude you have got me into guard with your passion! Ive only got a command squad so far, but need to buy some troops on payday and this is perfect advice!
@@nerkvititate @Megafortgaming I'm not telling anybody how to spend your money HOWEVER, in 2023 specifically: If you do not ALREADY have a sizeable collection built up over years of the game, there is no ethical way to build/acquire an army that requires buying GW. Cadian stands is 200 dollars with 370pts. Its just not real bois. Luv me 3rd party Luv me 2nd Hand Luv me 3d Printer Simple as.
@@dominicl5862 true that I only got into painting the models like last year I was on and off the lore since 2018 but this since the Covid lockdown I got into buying models
Generally I would agree with everything that Mordian says. But... The infantry load out really depends on what you want them to do. If they are in chimeras, I recommend equipping a flamer and heavy bolter. Hear me out! The chimera has double heavy flamer and stubber, hunter killer and lasgun array. On overwatch, that's 2 heavy flamers with an extra flamer and the heavy bolter has sustained hits. So 6s double. Likewise, the chimera will always be moving, any heavy weapon will hit on 5s. But atleast the heavy bolter has sustained. So you have a decent chance of actually doing damage. Otherwise, any weapon hitting on 5s is very unreliable. Or be really aggressive and take melta guns. But, as a rule of thumb. Mordian is right. Also, I personally think Bolters are better than plasma pistols. At most, you will fire that once. Where as the bolter will fire all the time. Bearing in mind, the pistol will miss most of the time. Bolters in a Drill commander squad/blob does serious work. A plasma pistol won't save you if you are within that range. But that's my two cents.
@@jasongarfitt1147 Are you sure? Overwatch says the unit shoots as though it is in the shooting phase. Firing deck allows you to fire X amount of models during your shooting phase.
@@jasongarfitt1147 You are right! You are not allowed to use any other out of phase rules with overwatch. So firing deck is not allowed. A damn shame. I wasn't the only one who didn't know, as none of my opponents said anything!
Thanks for this amazing video as a relatively new guard player im currently building my first 500 point army and with this video im going to show my friend (world eaters player) the true might of the imperium.
I've been leaning regular infantry (plasma guns, sergeants with boltguns and chain/powerswords), since they're a bit more versatile, and let me hide some heavy weapons (usually missile launchers or lascannons) around, but when I run shock troops, my lean is toward 2 seargeants with autoguns (2 plasma, 2 grenades launchers or meltas, depends how I'm feeling/map setup) and 2 seargeants with chainswords and bolt pistols (the squad has 2 plasma, 2 melta) 2 squads charge forward, play objectives with tank support. Plasma and melta takes care of most targets, and if anyone closes, the chainswords help out a little. 2 squads keep back and protect the artillery, maybe support the other 2 squads depending how I feel. So far it's been working pretty well for me.
I think my two cents would be that taking at least one Vox in a 20 man squad of Krieg can be worth it and that I do not agree that a Plasma Pistol vs a Boltgun with Reg Infantry or Krieg is ever going to be worth it, unless you fully intend for that squad to potentially get into melee. I know modeling wise it’s going to take extra work but the Boltgun is going to do more work than the pistol just because of the range. But I also just love firing Boltguns at the enemy so I might be a little biased 😅 That being said they should’ve at least gave the Catachan Sergeant a Boltgun option!
Thanks for the vid Mr. Glory. I was hoping you would do this. One question, if I may, if you put addons to the squad do they still count towards point costs? If I put the heavies and an officer in the squad, do I still pay full price or just the cost of the squad.
I play an infantry squad with mortars and Creed to use fields of fire for free on them. The mortar allows me to leave them behind the other units and still target units they can't see with free fields of fire
Plasma guns are also good. So you can opt to play them as death Korps of Krieg if you had managed to acquire the Steel Legion plasma gunners. But yeah, as regular infantry squads, the grenade launcher + missile launcher combo looks reasonably good and versatile.
I have a different opinion on Death Core or Krieg 20 man blocks. Let me say this first my play group knows they are strong. Instead of taking two plasma in the 20 man take one plasma and one vox caster. The reason behind that is the stratagem Inspired Command to give the order Take Cover. You get a chance at getting back the CP used on the squad with the vox caster. I've found that it's fairly obvious what squad will be targeted by my friends in the play group. Side note you can use the other stratagems on the squad that may make sense on your turn.
Thanks I only just realised that a unit doesnt actually need a vox caster to recieve an order from a master vox. That kind of bugs me as much as the 'Only whats in the box' wargear options.
Yeah it’s a little strange. No idea why they made the change from vox-casters being how you get orders from a master vox to this new thing about farming back CP
welp...i feel stupid now..I got the cadian shock troopers as a christmas present (three boxes of them lol!) and what do I do? I give them the FLAMER....ouch.
I hadn’t considered this before, but does the inability to take two medi-packs on a double strength Krieg unit make it better to take two normal strength units? Or is a single strength unit so much more likely to get wiped that you get more models back over the game with one medi-pack in a 20 man unit than you would two medi-packs in distinct 10 man units?
10 models without support will die very fast. in the end, they are stull just T3 1W 5+ models. but with a marshal and psyker (or take cover) they become quite durable. ofc the officers cost 60 pts a pop as well, so you want to maximize your DK unit to gain the most value out of the officers. ergo you take 20 the only thing that 10 DK can do a bit better, is some resistance to chip dmg but as soon as anything looks at them, they will die. but 20 of them with 3+/5+++ or 4++/5+++ can take a surprising amount of hurt
I mean catachans do have a Loadout option. An argument could be made for leaving the flamers at home and just taking lasguns if it's just gonna be a cheap backline objective unit. They'd have a couple more long ranged shots and you could even throw Harker in there and go for the full "long range" build. Like it's not a good argument but it exists 90% of the time though you want them flamers
I listened twice, I don't recall you mentioning any downside to sniper rifles. Snipers seem the better choice over meltaguns unless I'm missing something. Please expand on this.
he didn't but ofc when you can use either, the melta is ofc much stronger. the sniper has one advantage over the other guns and that is range. I personaly like snipers for my backline inf squad because the sniper has the best chance to shoot at something while the 24" weapons will be useless for some more turns. 36" is a reasonable upgrade
@@dominicl5862 depends on who you play against. my meta has pretty much only the most tough MFkers around, so the chars tend to be hard to remove as well. when every second game is vs custodes, snipers become a lot less deadly
@@calronkeltaran493 of course if your playing against fellow gaurd they are quite handy the real problem is most characters in the game have passable saves and -1 ap is not inspiring when trying to get through armor especially with how easy cover is to come by
Just play Horus Heresy instead. The Imperialis Militia represents a proto-imperial guard army, and there is a lot customization possible. It is quite weak, but fun trying to tackle Space Marines with the weak militia !
Melta guns are garbage now, they can’t slag tanks! Used to be on a 3up now on a five up to wound tanks, now it’s just anti heavy armor infantry. With only two chances to wound a tank.
prob still the best 3rd weapon for DK. 12" sucks but they are usually in the thick of things anyway and meltas still have much more power than the snipers
@@imperialjake114 they still kinda do that. 5+ wound is mean but when it wounds, it also goes through with AP 4. but meltas still suffered a lot, especialy when you compare them to the lore. they are supposed to be handheld AT weapons for inf and now they are anti terminator weapons who sometimes can finish off a tank. still works vs eldar, if you get close enough, so there is that. but would be nice to give them pistol, so you can keep shooting at least
That’s my whole point. It used to be a 3up to wound on most tanks now it’s a 5up. With the old veteran squad (8 th edition). You could have three meltas on a 3 up to hit with take aim from a platoon commander. Pop them out of a chimera snd skag a tank.
@@imperialjake114 yes but that is the whole point of 10th, that tanks are finaly allowed to exist inside the operating radius of an inf squad. in 9th, I needed to hide my tanks from basicly anything. heavy weapons/melta/plasma? yeah stay out of that. anything close combat? better stay away because if one single 3pts model touches you, your shooting just went away. not to mention that anything with an actual close combat weapon had a good chance to pop you in one phase as well
your shitting on the sniper rifle a bit to hard. when its the only gun you can hit with a 2 when taking aim order added and stayed still. for a infantry squad made to hold an objective,. long range seem great for a 20 man block. autocannon or heavy bolters with a pair of snipers would make for an annoying group that can snipe a leader from a group. 2 sergeant with bolters can add to the range as a whole.
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Catachan Jungle Fighters 1:30
- 2× Flamer
- Vox
Cadian Shock Troops 2:30
- 2× Auto-gun
- Vox
- 2× Grenade Launcher**
- 2× Plasma Gun
- 2× Melta Gun**
Infantry Squad 6:56
- 1 Sgt. 7 Grdmn 1 HWT
- Power Sword & Plasma Pistol
-Vox
- Grenade Launcher > Plasma > Melta
- AutoCannon -or- LasCannon
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- Power Sword & Plasma Pistol
- Grenade Launcher, Launcher, & Plasma Gun
- 1 Medipak per unit
I demand power shovels for all my Kriegsmen!
When tanks often cover so much of what Guard, specifically, want to do, it is nice to get some talk of the infantry!
While I am looking forward to the elite infantry chat, I'm personally looking more forward to the HQs. I can't really say how happy I was when the Cadian Castellan got released; FINALLY a dedicated Guard officer, with decent assortment of kit, and it looked cool! Of course, most Guard weren't about kit; they took to the field barebones, and just slung orders, but then 10e made gear free, and you could take the useless power sword, and plasma pistol, and it was okay. Now, though, the named characters have taken the center, and seem just better then anything you might cobble together through the Castellan unit, or you'll take the Krieg version.
Yada yada, I'm looking forward to seeing what you recommend for when you do take a Castellan, or Marshall? If any Relics you still pay for, or other Enhancements, will feature, since we never see them past Leontus, Creed, and Straken.
There is an argument for giving the cadian shock troop sergeant a bolt pistol so they can still complete actions while in combat, a bit of an edge case but it's probably worth it ... and the autogun got nerfed since it's no longer rapid fire (should have been assault at least imho)
always pick at least one pistol :) a did action in combat with my humble guardsman thanks to that!
Please remember that the heavy weapon team also has 1 laspistol. Same for the vox on the scions.
@@konradd7567 true but infantry squads should already have a plasma pistol sergeant and the same should be true for all your scion squads
Fun fact is that one of your guys in the scion command squad can have a hotshot lasgun, hotshot pistol, medipack, and regimental standard leaving the other 3 to carry special weapons.
Also vox on scions is generally not worth it in general
Catachan jungle fighter units should be able to take a Heavy flamer in the unit along with the two Flamers… 😤
and/or more close combat options. if the catachans are the close combat battlelline, at least give them proper weapons
The look of the data sheet screams placeholder there's probably a new box in the works. If they're going to be the close combat squad they should get lots of stuff. Shotguns, flamers, melt a guns. Maybe a special rule for landmines or a demo charge? Sergeant should have some nice melee options to go with their special rule.
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I really hope there's a new box for the Catachans in the works. They could make a really good assault squad. Flamers, heavy flamers, shotguns, melta guns maybe even rules for mines or demo charges. They could go so far as to give them a unique Catachan knife profile.
I really loved this video format and found it quite useful!!
I'd be curious of the loadouts for other units aswell so I am looking forward to videos covering those too!
I always love when you drop a new video! Thanks Mordian!
working up units for a 1000-point list, mainly infantry - great timing!
I love the new way of doing the ad read
The datasheet for the Kreig 20 man squad on the app allows 2 grenade launchers, 2 plasma, and 1 medipack all at the same time without issue.
Yeah, and why shouldn't it?
Dude you have got me into guard with your passion! Ive only got a command squad so far, but need to buy some troops on payday and this is perfect advice!
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True that I’ve got a dorn and Krieg team sitting on my shelf still not assembled waiting for the day I have more money to grow my guard
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I'm not telling anybody how to spend your money HOWEVER, in 2023 specifically: If you do not ALREADY have a sizeable collection built up over years of the game, there is no ethical way to build/acquire an army that requires buying GW. Cadian stands is 200 dollars with 370pts. Its just not real bois.
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@@dominicl5862 true that I only got into painting the models like last year I was on and off the lore since 2018 but this since the Covid lockdown I got into buying models
I've just been making some Krieg (I've put British WW1 helmets on them) and I've done pretty much exactly what you said in the video!
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Generally I would agree with everything that Mordian says. But...
The infantry load out really depends on what you want them to do.
If they are in chimeras, I recommend equipping a flamer and heavy bolter.
Hear me out! The chimera has double heavy flamer and stubber, hunter killer and lasgun array.
On overwatch, that's 2 heavy flamers with an extra flamer and the heavy bolter has sustained hits. So 6s double.
Likewise, the chimera will always be moving, any heavy weapon will hit on 5s. But atleast the heavy bolter has sustained. So you have a decent chance of actually doing damage. Otherwise, any weapon hitting on 5s is very unreliable.
Or be really aggressive and take melta guns.
But, as a rule of thumb. Mordian is right.
Also, I personally think Bolters are better than plasma pistols.
At most, you will fire that once. Where as the bolter will fire all the time. Bearing in mind, the pistol will miss most of the time.
Bolters in a Drill commander squad/blob does serious work.
A plasma pistol won't save you if you are within that range.
But that's my two cents.
Firing deck doesn't work with overwatch
@@jasongarfitt1147 Are you sure? Overwatch says the unit shoots as though it is in the shooting phase. Firing deck allows you to fire X amount of models during your shooting phase.
@@MrSniperbo I was sure but now I'm going to go double check
@@jasongarfitt1147 You are right! You are not allowed to use any other out of phase rules with overwatch. So firing deck is not allowed.
A damn shame. I wasn't the only one who didn't know, as none of my opponents said anything!
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Goddamn i miss Veteran squads now...
Scion level shooting, 3 special weapons and a heavy weapon team ❤
Thanks for this amazing video as a relatively new guard player im currently building my first 500 point army and with this video im going to show my friend (world eaters player) the true might of the imperium.
HA! I see a Cheeky QOG reference in there!
You inspired me to buy 4000 points of the emperors hammer! I've thought about it them for a long time, and its time to jump in!
I've been leaning regular infantry (plasma guns, sergeants with boltguns and chain/powerswords), since they're a bit more versatile, and let me hide some heavy weapons (usually missile launchers or lascannons) around, but when I run shock troops, my lean is toward 2 seargeants with autoguns (2 plasma, 2 grenades launchers or meltas, depends how I'm feeling/map setup) and 2 seargeants with chainswords and bolt pistols (the squad has 2 plasma, 2 melta) 2 squads charge forward, play objectives with tank support. Plasma and melta takes care of most targets, and if anyone closes, the chainswords help out a little. 2 squads keep back and protect the artillery, maybe support the other 2 squads depending how I feel. So far it's been working pretty well for me.
I think my two cents would be that taking at least one Vox in a 20 man squad of Krieg can be worth it and that I do not agree that a Plasma Pistol vs a Boltgun with Reg Infantry or Krieg is ever going to be worth it, unless you fully intend for that squad to potentially get into melee. I know modeling wise it’s going to take extra work but the Boltgun is going to do more work than the pistol just because of the range. But I also just love firing Boltguns at the enemy so I might be a little biased 😅 That being said they should’ve at least gave the Catachan Sergeant a Boltgun option!
What do you think is the best load out for an infantry squad data sheet if run in a chimera? Thinking of cracking on with some steel legion soon
Thanks for the vid Mr. Glory. I was hoping you would do this. One question, if I may, if you put addons to the squad do they still count towards point costs? If I put the heavies and an officer in the squad, do I still pay full price or just the cost of the squad.
The add-on mini-squad of the platoon officer must be paid. Apart from that, every wargear options are free.
Grenade launchers are actually good now?? I started in 5th and this makes me so happy
I play an infantry squad with mortars and Creed to use fields of fire for free on them. The mortar allows me to leave them behind the other units and still target units they can't see with free fields of fire
Wish the med pack was universal for infantry. Krieg almost feels like the auto include
As someone with only steel legion, I am very happy grenade launchers are the right choice 😂
Plasma guns are also good. So you can opt to play them as death Korps of Krieg if you had managed to acquire the Steel Legion plasma gunners. But yeah, as regular infantry squads, the grenade launcher + missile launcher combo looks reasonably good and versatile.
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I have a different opinion on Death Core or Krieg 20 man blocks. Let me say this first my play group knows they are strong. Instead of taking two plasma in the 20 man take one plasma and one vox caster. The reason behind that is the stratagem Inspired Command to give the order Take Cover. You get a chance at getting back the CP used on the squad with the vox caster. I've found that it's fairly obvious what squad will be targeted by my friends in the play group. Side note you can use the other stratagems on the squad that may make sense on your turn.
Thanks I only just realised that a unit doesnt actually need a vox caster to recieve an order from a master vox. That kind of bugs me as much as the 'Only whats in the box' wargear options.
Yeah it’s a little strange. No idea why they made the change from vox-casters being how you get orders from a master vox to this new thing about farming back CP
@@vathek5958 especialy when it is useless most of the time as soon as you put lord solar into your list
welp...i feel stupid now..I got the cadian shock troopers as a christmas present (three boxes of them lol!) and what do I do? I give them the FLAMER....ouch.
I hadn’t considered this before, but does the inability to take two medi-packs on a double strength Krieg unit make it better to take two normal strength units? Or is a single strength unit so much more likely to get wiped that you get more models back over the game with one medi-pack in a 20 man unit than you would two medi-packs in distinct 10 man units?
10 models without support will die very fast. in the end, they are stull just T3 1W 5+ models. but with a marshal and psyker (or take cover) they become quite durable. ofc the officers cost 60 pts a pop as well, so you want to maximize your DK unit to gain the most value out of the officers. ergo you take 20
the only thing that 10 DK can do a bit better, is some resistance to chip dmg but as soon as anything looks at them, they will die. but 20 of them with 3+/5+++ or 4++/5+++ can take a surprising amount of hurt
I have been giving my guard squads SAWs a d Tommy guns long before it got cool.
Catachan with sum big fk'n knives
Really hoping they add it to the codex in 4yrs
I mean catachans do have a Loadout option. An argument could be made for leaving the flamers at home and just taking lasguns if it's just gonna be a cheap backline objective unit. They'd have a couple more long ranged shots and you could even throw Harker in there and go for the full "long range" build. Like it's not a good argument but it exists 90% of the time though you want them flamers
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I listened twice, I don't recall you mentioning any downside to sniper rifles. Snipers seem the better choice over meltaguns unless I'm missing something. Please expand on this.
Yeah a 20 man infantry blob with 2x snipers 2x HW 2x bolters sounds like a silly idea I like it.
he didn't but ofc when you can use either, the melta is ofc much stronger. the sniper has one advantage over the other guns and that is range. I personaly like snipers for my backline inf squad because the sniper has the best chance to shoot at something while the 24" weapons will be useless for some more turns. 36" is a reasonable upgrade
Ppl are just sleeping on Precision.
@@dominicl5862 depends on who you play against. my meta has pretty much only the most tough MFkers around, so the chars tend to be hard to remove as well. when every second game is vs custodes, snipers become a lot less deadly
@@calronkeltaran493 of course if your playing against fellow gaurd they are quite handy the real problem is most characters in the game have passable saves and -1 ap is not inspiring when trying to get through armor especially with how easy cover is to come by
what happened to autoguns for all troops? Ex 2nd ed. player here !
Not been a thing in a loooong time.
That ended sometime before 5th I'm pretty sure.
Just play Horus Heresy instead. The Imperialis Militia represents a proto-imperial guard army, and there is a lot customization possible. It is quite weak, but fun trying to tackle Space Marines with the weak militia !
Look man, you don't gotta try so hard...you meant to say your "Infantry requirement" is (Infantry owned)+1, however many you got...you need more XD
Melta guns are garbage now, they can’t slag tanks! Used to be on a 3up now on a five up to wound tanks, now it’s just anti heavy armor infantry. With only two chances to wound a tank.
prob still the best 3rd weapon for DK. 12" sucks but they are usually in the thick of things anyway and meltas still have much more power than the snipers
Agree but they still don’t do what they should do in my opinion. Which is Slag thick armor. Like tanks
@@imperialjake114 they still kinda do that. 5+ wound is mean but when it wounds, it also goes through with AP 4. but meltas still suffered a lot, especialy when you compare them to the lore. they are supposed to be handheld AT weapons for inf and now they are anti terminator weapons who sometimes can finish off a tank. still works vs eldar, if you get close enough, so there is that.
but would be nice to give them pistol, so you can keep shooting at least
That’s my whole point. It used to be a 3up to wound on most tanks now it’s a 5up. With the old veteran squad (8 th edition). You could have three meltas on a 3 up to hit with take aim from a platoon commander. Pop them out of a chimera snd skag a tank.
@@imperialjake114 yes but that is the whole point of 10th, that tanks are finaly allowed to exist inside the operating radius of an inf squad. in 9th, I needed to hide my tanks from basicly anything. heavy weapons/melta/plasma? yeah stay out of that. anything close combat? better stay away because if one single 3pts model touches you, your shooting just went away. not to mention that anything with an actual close combat weapon had a good chance to pop you in one phase as well
You left out Traitor Guard....
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What is the point in discussing the best load out for Krieg? They all carry shovels so I'm not sure whether anything else matters.
your shitting on the sniper rifle a bit to hard. when its the only gun you can hit with a 2 when taking aim order added and stayed still. for a infantry squad made to hold an objective,. long range seem great for a 20 man block. autocannon or heavy bolters with a pair of snipers would make for an annoying group that can snipe a leader from a group. 2 sergeant with bolters can add to the range as a whole.