His reaction when his video is obsolete within 5 hours? Must be quite painful indeed. I pity the attempt that he tried to assemble that video in a day just because he knew Defyn was creating this so he could profit of it. This is a 2 minute microwave meal that's still half frozen vs the meal that was grown on own land and cooked over 3 days. I never comment but in general...Man even I am annoyed
@@TurnerBoat I'm pretty sure these videos take quite a while to make, unlikely that they could have copied each other I think. Then again defyn did kinda reveal the video a while ago.
its balanced trust me bro (wont it be easier to flare since its seeker shuts off but its FOV is so small so if you maneuver away it wont relock you as easily?)
I wonder what will be worse in war thunder to deal with. The combo of suspension and gate width or however they implement the imaging IR seeker of the 9X and python 5.
During the first day of the dev server I had an Su-27SM try to pull a kvochur maneuver thinking he was hot shit. He quickly learned that American planes have 20mms
Thanks for taking the time to make this video! I was doing some of these things instinctively, but didn't fully grasp why I should be doing them outside of "Hey, this just kinda works." The "Picassos" demonstrating how Countermeasures work in tandem with your engine profile was invaluable!
Fox 3s are generally not fooled by chaffs, and as more advanced one comes people needs to know how to actually defend (chaffing notching and flying low (at closer distances) stops working if more advanced ones comes out)
Assuming multipathing them still works that's what i and most other people will do lol, i don't see the ARB meta being too affected by Fox-3s tbh. Though they're not in game yet so we'll find out just how good they are in a month or so.
@@M1A2C. having played some on the dev, multipathing does indeed work, however they are "less sensitive" to it- You need to nail a much narrower band of altitude for a successful multipath. Notch+ chaffing them is much easier than plane radars / SARH however. And of course, mountains are a good help
I kinda had difficulty understanding you but I seem to get the point. TLDR: There are 2 ways the missile tries to avoid being fooled by flares: A) Gatewith method aka, the Tunnel Vision method. The seeker during the lock stage has a wide perspective to get an easy lock, once fired-it shrinks or it squints its eye, tunnel vision, straight at you. To fool this missile, just make sure to not afterburn and flare in the path of the missile. (R-73 Archer and R550 Magic 2 use this method). B) Tracking Suspension method aka, the Blink method. The seeker once fired, during its travel it blinks/closes its eye to avoid being distracted by flares. It keeps its eye shut for a second or two. During this time it remembers and calculates to predict where you will be when it opens its eye and tries to relock on to you. To fool this missile, just cut back on your burner and flare a decent amount around you and dodge away, cus you might flare the missile but the missile still could relock you or just simply flied into your proximity. (AIM-9M Sidewinder, AAM-3 use this method).
Kinda missed the important part for both. You want to flare so that wherever your aircraft throws the flares, it must intersect with where your afterburner jet was. Example, if your jet throws flares straight down, and you pull UP, then the flares get dumped BELOW your engine, which means the squinting missile never sees the flares. To counter it, you must flare and then go negative G to make the flares come between your exhaust and the missile.
The best part of this video is the explanation on how missile seekers work, I don't think many new players actually understand how a missile seeker works in war thunder so using that information players can better understand why you do certain things to flare missiles.
AFAIK, you are the first one who came with an actual techniques rather than explanation of mechanics. Great work and thank you for sharing those techniques
perfect timing for you video - THANKS - I got shot down twice yesterday in Ground RB and thought I need to do some research to find a way to deal with these - now I have the strategy and just need to put it into practice
Ive been watching this channel for a long time, when i first got into the air tree i look at your guides on how to aim and loved your plane reviews. Your lessons on the mechanics of this game have helped not just me but many others. Thank you for your videos DEFYN
This was a super useful video, I had a vague intuition on how to counter them based on how the IRCCM works but seeing it through the seeker view and with all the detailed explanations helps a lot to understand why it actually works and how to make it work more effectively.
One little thing - it will work almost 100% of the time in duels but in 16v16 where pretty common situation is when 3-5+ missiles including SARH ones are all coming towards you at the same time from different angles - it won’t help much)
In my experience flaring M's, finding the right tempo for dropping flares to keep the seeker head off for longer really helps with avoiding them. I tend to go for about 2-3 pops a second
Omg the sensor view for these kinds of video is a genuine god send I'm so grateful Gaijin added them cause now we can analyze missile seekers and all, fantastic tutorial overall DEFYN more quality than I was seeking
I'm at the J35D just before the fun stuff and chaos of top tier - first nation and first time jets. This video has been very informative for my upcoming grinding In simple term: turn off afterburner, use reverse thrust covers if you have - pop flare(s) first, then turn away. Ideally position yourself so the direction of flare remains in the bandwidth area whilst you aren't. Be offset from enemy position, fire flares towards direction of flares and turn slightly away. Roll flare, turn away
A10 has hundreds though. I put it on periodic when I hit the battle line and get a solid radar hit. Rest of planes I try to keep radar in mind and what find of missile is approaching and use manual flares with chaff. I usually use flare priority till I get to 11 rating. Then a mix.
Does flare priority drop 2 flares and 1 chaff? Because I'd still like to bring some chaff in my F15. Also, do you do the same thing that you did with the Su27 to flare the 9Ms in the F15, since the flares deploy downwards?
"Here Is How You Actually Stop Dying To IRCCM Missiles Effectively" in the style of the average university reading: War thunder, reveals in its 10 odd years of existence, in the Prescence of IRCCM missiles has presented itself as a central role of addition of the features along with a flurry upon the destruction of the game mode , What could the presence of IRCCM missiles indicate, that the Battle rating may it lives upon, it may be only the platonic ideal of the toxic fighter main. the occurrence of the IRCCM missiles only has juxtaposed itself as between the matchmaker of 16v16, in discord with the systematic wrenching of BR compression await the staggering polarity between realism and and the sublimity through trivial lament of the blatantly vulgar Gaijin. The parenthesis of the parameters of the juxtaposition between the benign and the sublime as the DEFYN confides to his views, the below the the realism, this cubism, deeply stirred the community of in the last few months. DEFYN, who was has over the last 5 years manifested himself has the interpreter of war thunder to great acclaim, has responded with Just Flare". with the utterance of two words, how sublime, reminiscent of the Daoist manual written in 500BCE. Its compact nature opens up a whole new world of possibility of interpretation for the player base manifests itself as the law of nature in the war thunder ideal Just watch the video and learn to flare (why tf are you reading this)
@DEFYN Could you please make the same video, but how to defeat IR SAMs? Stuff like Ozelot, Strela 10 M2 etc. Those seem to be completely undefeatable especially from rear aspect. How do they work? Is it possible to apply the same techniques against them?
I never seem to have that much luck with IRCCM missiles anyway, for the most part it feels just like normal IR missiles where as long as the enemy flares with enough time the missile will miss. Ground launched IRCCM missiles though seems like literal black magic, no matter how you try to evade it just won't stop tracking you, like the TY-90.
the game looks really zesty graphically from your POV, like explosions, flares, engines and missiles. are there specific settings you use or is it added in during the editing process. and what are your preferred graphic setting?
whenever he say drop 2 flares he means 4 because they drop in 2 in his video keep that in mind because you can set it up how many flares come out and different planes have for example single flares at a time
Thank you Defyn and on the topic of top tier IRCCM missiles, what's the first top tier jet should I get? The F16, F15, or F14, I'm a phantom away from being able to research one of them. I've only used the F-5E to grind and I do very well in that thing. I think I'll go towards the F15, but if I should go do something else would you mind telling me? And maybe why would a different pick be the better option? [ I guess america's top tier win rate is horrible, so I guess I'll get mauled either way]
Toptier winrates are pretty even afaik Just pick whatever you like the most American ones have better flight models but the russians have quite powerful weapons American might become a lot better with FOX-3s tho
I would 100% go for the F-16 line first then the F-14. I personally like both aircraft more than the 15. Also the F16C is already a menace but when Fox 3 come it’s gonna be ever better
u r my sunshine
How the fuck did you posted a comment 33mins ago when the video dropped 17mins ago ??? Bug i guess
My only sunshine
you make me happy
When skies are gray
You never know when
me watching this video, knowing damn well im still gonna make the same mistakes after understanding the concepts
If it helps you 30% of the time that's still an improvement :)
@@DEFYNthis video has a 50% chance of getting you to understand all of the concepts, but don't worry, the last 20 people to watch it all understood!
Seek’s honest reaction:
His reaction when his video is obsolete within 5 hours? Must be quite painful indeed.
I pity the attempt that he tried to assemble that video in a day just because he knew Defyn was creating this so he could profit of it.
This is a 2 minute microwave meal that's still half frozen vs the meal that was grown on own land and cooked over 3 days.
I never comment but in general...Man even I am annoyed
I just finish watching Seek's video and it lead me straight to here. lol
Seek and Defyn beef incoming
@@TurnerBoat I'm pretty sure these videos take quite a while to make, unlikely that they could have copied each other I think.
Then again defyn did kinda reveal the video a while ago.
@@TurnerBoatu actually made an alt account to comment that? your account is a few minutes older than your comment lol
Can't wait to deal with Python 4 which uses both types of IRCCM at the same time
its balanced trust me bro (wont it be easier to flare since its seeker shuts off but its FOV is so small so if you maneuver away it wont relock you as easily?)
I'm really worried we get it next update...
I wonder what will be worse in war thunder to deal with. The combo of suspension and gate width or however they implement the imaging IR seeker of the 9X and python 5.
R-27T/ET both use the gate width IRCCM and that AIM-9M-type of thing.
Funny thing is Magic 2 should get the same irccm
instructions unclear: i just watched the top gun movie and did the kvochur maneuver
During the first day of the dev server I had an Su-27SM try to pull a kvochur maneuver thinking he was hot shit. He quickly learned that American planes have 20mms
The cook is real holy 🙏
It’s general Lee
me pulling up neg g while flaring like a madman:
the R27ER in question:
Now that I've watched this, can you delete it so my enemies don't see it too?
Thanks for taking the time to make this video! I was doing some of these things instinctively, but didn't fully grasp why I should be doing them outside of "Hey, this just kinda works." The "Picassos" demonstrating how Countermeasures work in tandem with your engine profile was invaluable!
In depth video? we in balls deep with this one.
Papyrus font is crazy 😂
𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂
Missile: It’s jover for me now
“IRCCM doesn’t want you to know this one simple trick”
Your crazy for that one
you should do the same but for chaff/radar when the fox3s come
I will
Fox 3s are generally not fooled by chaffs, and as more advanced one comes people needs to know how to actually defend (chaffing notching and flying low (at closer distances) stops working if more advanced ones comes out)
Assuming multipathing them still works that's what i and most other people will do lol, i don't see the ARB meta being too affected by Fox-3s tbh. Though they're not in game yet so we'll find out just how good they are in a month or so.
@@M1A2C. having played some on the dev, multipathing does indeed work, however they are "less sensitive" to it- You need to nail a much narrower band of altitude for a successful multipath. Notch+ chaffing them is much easier than plane radars / SARH however. And of course, mountains are a good help
@@DEFYN👀
Defyn single handedly raising the skill level and difficulty of top tier one guide at a time
I kinda had difficulty understanding you but I seem to get the point. TLDR: There are 2 ways the missile tries to avoid being fooled by flares:
A) Gatewith method aka, the Tunnel Vision method. The seeker during the lock stage has a wide perspective to get an easy lock, once fired-it shrinks or it squints its eye, tunnel vision, straight at you. To fool this missile, just make sure to not afterburn and flare in the path of the missile. (R-73 Archer and R550 Magic 2 use this method).
B) Tracking Suspension method aka, the Blink method. The seeker once fired, during its travel it blinks/closes its eye to avoid being distracted by flares. It keeps its eye shut for a second or two. During this time it remembers and calculates to predict where you will be when it opens its eye and tries to relock on to you. To fool this missile, just cut back on your burner and flare a decent amount around you and dodge away, cus you might flare the missile but the missile still could relock you or just simply flied into your proximity. (AIM-9M Sidewinder, AAM-3 use this method).
Kinda missed the important part for both. You want to flare so that wherever your aircraft throws the flares, it must intersect with where your afterburner jet was.
Example, if your jet throws flares straight down, and you pull UP, then the flares get dumped BELOW your engine, which means the squinting missile never sees the flares. To counter it, you must flare and then go negative G to make the flares come between your exhaust and the missile.
The best part of this video is the explanation on how missile seekers work, I don't think many new players actually understand how a missile seeker works in war thunder so using that information players can better understand why you do certain things to flare missiles.
AFAIK, you are the first one who came with an actual techniques rather than explanation of mechanics. Great work and thank you for sharing those techniques
perfect timing for you video - THANKS - I got shot down twice yesterday in Ground RB and thought I need to do some research to find a way to deal with these - now I have the strategy and just need to put it into practice
Nice guide Defyn, cool explanation for beginners and intermediate players.
Great guide! Thanks for the info!
Glad it was helpful!
Ive been watching this channel for a long time, when i first got into the air tree i look at your guides on how to aim and loved your plane reviews. Your lessons on the mechanics of this game have helped not just me but many others. Thank you for your videos DEFYN
Thank you. Very informative 👏🏻
Love to watch someone who is really into what he is doing. Wonderful. :)
This was a super useful video, I had a vague intuition on how to counter them based on how the IRCCM works but seeing it through the seeker view and with all the detailed explanations helps a lot to understand why it actually works and how to make it work more effectively.
Dude thank you so much for this tutorial! After a few failed attempts I managed to get the technique right, and the results show!
Thank you and have a nice summer
This is great but what about the Red Top's?
This is very helpful, thank you!
kendrick v drake ahh video timing
I think if an 1800's victorian child read this comment his head would just explode
@@UnoReversecard-ys8vl my bad queen Elizabeth😔
@@molstad182 man I was kidding your comment was funny (gave it a like too)
@@UnoReversecard-ys8vlcan I borrow your uno reverse card?
Woah this is why you are the GOAT! Best flare video hands down!
The information in this video is invaluable.
Really well done vid, I hope it will help a lot of players ;DD
I always loved your guides, helped me a lot when I just started learning wt air combat
I've been waiting for this moment for a loong time
the best tutioral I've ever seen, job well done man
Thanks for the video man!
One little thing - it will work almost 100% of the time in duels but in 16v16 where pretty common situation is when 3-5+ missiles including SARH ones are all coming towards you at the same time from different angles - it won’t help much)
Yeah sensory overload is pretty much the issue there
Defeating IRCCM is pretty easy but when you try to in 16v16 furballs it just becomes a mess
@@Elijah1573 R27ER live reaction to flares:
He wasn't kidding, he really pulled the best tutorial XD
This put everyone else to shame damn lol
Thank you defyn
Very useful video 👌🏼❤️
You dont know how long i was waiting for this video
10/10 edge very good video length👍🏻
So hyped for this
All the technology, Nice video 📹
so helpful!
In my experience flaring M's, finding the right tempo for dropping flares to keep the seeker head off for longer really helps with avoiding them. I tend to go for about 2-3 pops a second
Thank you 🫡
Omg the sensor view for these kinds of video is a genuine god send I'm so grateful Gaijin added them cause now we can analyze missile seekers and all, fantastic tutorial overall DEFYN more quality than I was seeking
I'm at the J35D just before the fun stuff and chaos of top tier - first nation and first time jets. This video has been very informative for my upcoming grinding
In simple term: turn off afterburner, use reverse thrust covers if you have - pop flare(s) first, then turn away. Ideally position yourself so the direction of flare remains in the bandwidth area whilst you aren't. Be offset from enemy position, fire flares towards direction of flares and turn slightly away. Roll flare, turn away
It's here! Only 5 years in the making! Thank you daddy DEFYN!
excellent guide
Defyn hit the griddy with this one 🗣🗣🗣📢📢📢
the seek slander is wild and Im here for it
A10 has hundreds though. I put it on periodic when I hit the battle line and get a solid radar hit. Rest of planes I try to keep radar in mind and what find of missile is approaching and use manual flares with chaff. I usually use flare priority till I get to 11 rating. Then a mix.
GOAT WT Tuber right here
9:56 I agree that it really is that shrimple.
I appreciate you
i can finally do something against those pesky magic 2's in an uptier
thank you DEFYN!
Can't wait for gaijin to implement the AAM-3's dual band seeker- Infrared and Ultraviolet-
that was fun ty
I've seen my missles walk back onto targets before because they are tracking the constant stream of CM coming out of the aircraft
lovin' the papyrus font 😎
I just subscribed to your channel, just because its helpful at least
Daddy Defyn taking care of us
Does flare priority drop 2 flares and 1 chaff? Because I'd still like to bring some chaff in my F15.
Also, do you do the same thing that you did with the Su27 to flare the 9Ms in the F15, since the flares deploy downwards?
You made me lose my edging streak😢
this made me start my edging streak
common W Defyn
Very usefull summary, a bit harder to apply for sim pilots. But still possible. ;)
A wonderful guide as usual, it was worth the wait ^^
Unfortunately, it's seems not as easy to flare the 9M in arcade... something feels wrong
thank you my little pookie bear, I will try and not mald in air rb anymore
Could you do one for the the stinger missiles? Or do they work the same?
"Here Is How You Actually Stop Dying To IRCCM Missiles Effectively" in the style of the average university reading:
War thunder, reveals in its 10 odd years of existence, in the Prescence of IRCCM missiles has presented itself as a central role of addition of the features along with a flurry upon the destruction of the game mode , What could the presence of IRCCM missiles indicate, that the Battle rating may it lives upon, it may be only the platonic ideal of the toxic fighter main. the occurrence of the IRCCM missiles only has juxtaposed itself as between the matchmaker of 16v16, in discord with the systematic wrenching of BR compression await the staggering polarity between realism and and the sublimity through trivial lament of the blatantly vulgar Gaijin. The parenthesis of the parameters of the juxtaposition between the benign and the sublime as the DEFYN confides to his views, the below the the realism, this cubism, deeply stirred the community of in the last few months.
DEFYN, who was has over the last 5 years manifested himself has the interpreter of war thunder to great acclaim, has responded with Just Flare". with the utterance of two words, how sublime, reminiscent of the Daoist manual written in 500BCE. Its compact nature opens up a whole new world of possibility of interpretation for the player base manifests itself as the law of nature in the war thunder ideal
Just watch the video and learn to flare (why tf are you reading this)
that wall of text hit me like a flashbang
What is the best combination of sparklers to carry?
Do you have any idea how to defeat the Ground IRCCM missiles form SPAAs?
@DEFYN Could you please make the same video, but how to defeat IR SAMs? Stuff like Ozelot, Strela 10 M2 etc. Those seem to be completely undefeatable especially from rear aspect. How do they work? Is it possible to apply the same techniques against them?
The missile knows where it is at all times
I love the video, very informative. One caveat is you have to know when and where the missile is. This is best for Arcade. Not really suited for Sim.
When Defyn cooks up a banger you best bet ima eat up all the meat and the bush foods 🤤
Defyn oil up at 150K?
DEFYN out here with another tutorial so we may stay on the war thunder grind
Defyn still shaping me into the player I am today. Fucking legend.
Cool! Time for me immediately forget everything and randomly use at one point a few months later without realizing and then never use it again.
I never seem to have that much luck with IRCCM missiles anyway, for the most part it feels just like normal IR missiles where as long as the enemy flares with enough time the missile will miss. Ground launched IRCCM missiles though seems like literal black magic, no matter how you try to evade it just won't stop tracking you, like the TY-90.
Combined shrinking FoV and tracking suspension, with latter taking precedence. But because its narrower FoV, it will update more frequently.
He made the video he said he was gonna make, nice o7
Mwuah defyn ❤️
Watched the seek's vid first and with this one, i can finally dodge every IRCCM cam.
The cook served us yet another 5 star dish
Could you possibly do a video on the seafire fr 47?
Not that many videos of it on CZcams
Hi i want to ask for advice on how to flare the TY-90
the game looks really zesty graphically from your POV, like explosions, flares, engines and missiles. are there specific settings you use or is it added in during the editing process. and what are your preferred graphic setting?
Also, can you fly out the cl13 b with the new br changes? It slaps now
whenever he say drop 2 flares he means 4 because they drop in 2 in his video keep that in mind because you can set it up how many flares come out and different planes have for example single flares at a time
Does this work for heli irccms like the TY-90 / mistral /stingers?
I used the bulletproof strat to avoid those missiles
Not playing that fucking BR....
Thank you Defyn and on the topic of top tier IRCCM missiles, what's the first top tier jet should I get? The F16, F15, or F14, I'm a phantom away from being able to research one of them. I've only used the F-5E to grind and I do very well in that thing. I think I'll go towards the F15, but if I should go do something else would you mind telling me? And maybe why would a different pick be the better option?
[ I guess america's top tier win rate is horrible, so I guess I'll get mauled either way]
Toptier winrates are pretty even afaik
Just pick whatever you like the most
American ones have better flight models but the russians have quite powerful weapons
American might become a lot better with FOX-3s tho
I would 100% go for the F-16 line first then the F-14. I personally like both aircraft more than the 15. Also the F16C is already a menace but when Fox 3 come it’s gonna be ever better
So with the F-15 vs the 9M you would turn away instead of in because of where the flares come from?
Honestly, I like to think this is more than just a game with how technical Defyn's tutorials are. Thanks man💯
The chalkboard returns
radar missiles are harder form me, hugging the ground works but when i fly higher i can notch and chaff but they still get me