Tamiya MB-01 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA - Review, Testing Multiple Setups, and Motor Configuration
Vložit
- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- I was having some major doubts about the Tamiya MB-01 chassis after my initial run. The RWD configuration was slick, and not in a good way. I couldn't make it go straight to save my life.
#tamiya #alfa #mb01 #rcracing #fire
Cool thing about this chassis is that it can easily be converted to FWD in under 10 minutes! In today's video, we'll modify the chassis from RWD to FWD, upgrade the motor as there maaaay have been a fire, and we'll get it back out for more testing.
For your own Tamiya MB-01, check out Eliminator RC and use Coupon Code Poorboysrc for $15 off your order. www.e-rc.ca
Did you enjoy today's video? If so, please consider leaving a thumbs up and subscribing. Those two clicks will mean the world to me, and helps me create more content just like this for you all to enjoy. I appreciate every click you make!
Come hang out with us in the Poor Boys RC Facebook group! Just a bunch of us having a laugh, talking RC and enjoying the hobby together: / 1792386754549662
And be sure to follow me on Instagram, too! / poorboys_rc
Stay Excellent! - Zábava
Those no. 53 decals absolutely screams for a Beetle body.
The Italian Herbie! :)
Now that is the most scale rig ever!!! My brother had a Alfa Romero back in the day. It was a POS. The steering was loose, suspension was jarring. And there was a fire in the engine bay!!! I will have to send him this video so he can have flashbacks!!!!🤣🤣🤣 Great vid Fil!!!!🤘🤘🤘
typical alfa
That is way too funny! He'll get a major kick out of it! 🤣👊🏼
lol
Great review Fil, in fact it was SMOKIN!!! 😅 I think your conclusions make complete sense dude, with all that slop in the running gear it's gonna be much worse in RWD setup. Very cool though how easy it is to convert to FWD. As for the motor burning out, I have no idea! Never had one go like that in all my years of RCing. Anyways, great info there my friend, you proved FWD is the way to go with this chassis. Stay excellent! Cheers! 🍻😁👊👍
Who would have thought that FWD would be better than RWD? I'm ashamed to say it, but boy is it true! Funky little chassis, I'm curious if the BT-01 is going to have the same issues? 🤷♂️
If you left it plugged in and the motor was wet, it might have shorted internally. The esc might have given it enough voltage at idle. Nice video as always!
Ah, that makes sense. I definitely forgot to unug it after the run. Thanks Joe. 👊🏼
Exactly what I was thinking. At least it's a cheap fix (motor wise)
@@scaleworksRC 100%! - I finally got to use one of the spare Mabuchi's I've got kicking around. 😅
@@poorboysrcRight on! 😁
I had the same thing happen a few years ago when I left the battery plugged in.
It is a nice looking chassis and thats going to need a few upgrades.
I spoke to a racer a few years back who told that a chassis with a bit of slop in the steering is easier for new comers to control in a straight line, a chassis that has no give tends to dart around
Huh, is that right? Interesting theory, as it does make sense. 🤔
@@poorboysrc I do know that when I used to tune up my road cars with upgraded suspension and bushes it would make the car more sensitive to drive.
@@adrianharrison5208 yeah it all makes total sense. No wonder I buy these sloppy Tamiya's, they're just like all my old cars from the 80's and 90's I love so much! 🤣
I'm halfway through your video and now I'm at work listening to the Cult /Fire Woman. Oh , speed run worthiness challenge excepted!!!!!!
Don't forget to play the Doors "light my fire" and Metallica "fight fire with fire" later, too! 🤣🤣🤣
Could of just been a manufacturing fault in that motor that slipped through quality control, I’ve had one do the same.
Hey, for the next speed challenge, what about The Holiday Buggy? It’s fairly easy to source and cheap to buy. Love your channel, keep up the great work.🇦🇺
Thanks for the comment! Yeah the Holiday Buggy is a good choice for the Speed Run Challenge! 👌😎
Seems like a cool little platform….definitely seemed to run much better as a front wheel drive for sure! Awesome Video Fil…..🤜🤛
Yeah it's a totally different car in FWD. Just don't tell the Alfa purists. 🤣👊🏼
I have never seen a motor go up like that. It is almost like the esc was still telling it to move just enough to not move but build up heat maybe and eventually the brushes overheated. That is a new one on me. You'll have to read you Tamiya does and don't sheet and not leave you battery connected when not in use! LOL! Seriously I am glad it was not worse than that, I hope you checked your voltage in the battery to make sure it was stable too. I will have to compare the rwd to the fwd in mine once I am able to get it built! Great bit of info in there to help out with my build so thanks!!
Yeah I can be a little forgetful at times, and not disconnect a battery right after use. Especially when I'm filming, carrying two cameras, gear, radio, etc... Lol.
I think the esc got water in it, kinda fried it, which put voltage to the motor, and the rest is hot hot hot history! Lol!
@@poorboysrc yeah it happens! Filming by yourself is an adventure! That does make sense on why it would be freaking out!
Julia... Julia's last name is going to be Gulia lol... Julia Gulia, thats funny.... Pop quiz hot shot... what movie is that from? Or movies... so many references... I couldn't resit as I didn't know how to pronounce Giulia also... is it G or J sound hmmmm....Wow, can't believe that motor burnt up like that...wild! Maybe it had something to do with the battery still being plugged in and the water? Glad you are able to enjoy running it more in FWD.
Hahaha, the Wedding Singer! I made that reference in an earlier episode on the MB01 chassis and I didn't get one comment on it. Lol! Glad you got it, Ari! Haha. 🤣👊🏼
Excellent video Fil! That is a cool feature of having the option to go front and rear wheel drive. Cover the brown stain with a decale😅
Cover the stain with a decal and I'll have to get some RC Febreeze to get rid of the burnt electrical smell. 🤣👊🏼
Front wheel drive has been known to be more stable for decades. That's why car manufacturers went to it on passenger cars. It was only our stubborness for rear wheel drive that make us want to keep it in cars. The only real benefit to rear wheel is when pulling a trailer with a truck.
It sure made a huge difference here! 👌
When you said fire, i tought the ESC had said good night but it was the silver can. Lucky the body didn't melt
Maybe the motor said goodbye when u drove up against your foot 😄
Slop - thats Tamiya (minus the TRF stuff) for you 😂
I just saw a video about this chassis and it showed us how sloppy it is in certain parts. He tried to rectify it with hop ups and shims. It got better but still some slop.
I'm hoping that the BT-01 is not so sloppy, but seeing how this is so sloppy i have no high hopes
Yeah that foot shot definitely tested the electronics and drivetrain. It was filmed in ultra slow-mo so it was only about 2-3 seconds of torture, lol.
I fear the BT-01 may be as sloppy... Time will tell. 🤗👊🏼
Love it! im tempted haha :) and btw, thanks so much for ur feedback and help on my Optima Mid :)
Thanks for watching! And yeah, happy to help out any time, my man! 👊🏼
I appreciate the honest review! Lots of RC sales guys out there just looking for your dollar
I'm a Tamiya fanboy, through and through, I'll admit it. But I shoot from the hip and call 'em as I see 'em. I want to see this company thrive, but some of the stuff they're releasing these days is... Um... Well.... Not the best...
@@poorboysrcYep, I love the whole Tamiya experience. It's like a working model you put together. The Kyosho I just got has a 29t pinion as well and it was surprising they went that high out of the box, but it works. I believe the spur is a 68t, and stock Tamiya comes with a 70t spur. So, they should be pretty close speed wise, and I'm quite happy with the Impreza. The Tamiya Golf or Escort is probably next on my list though. Love those 2 cars, and the chassis is older but seems to be solid for off road use.
Did I beat Paul?!?!?!
By about 20 minutes! I'm sleeping on today. :)
Good job Mark 👍
Hahaha bragging rights go to.... MARK BRYAN!!! 💪💪💪
I still love the look of this chassis even with slop. The fire was nothing to do with the wires otherwise they would have been melted. The fault must be inside the motor if the burning was there. The body I would try some Alcohol and cotton bud on the burn as it might just be soot. The change around of the chassis is brilliant.
Good call on the alcohol to clean it up, I'll give that a whirl. I didn't think of that... 👊🏼
What a great video! Thats the first time I have looked at the detail of swapping from RWD to FWD.. Want to build mine now lol
Yeah it's pretty amazing the way they designed this chassis. Only 8 screws, and it's gone from RWD to FWD, which is pretty impressive. 👌👊🏼
@@poorboysrc i have the Fiat here but tempted to use the Lancia Stratos body on it.. although I may get an M06 if the MB01 handles better FWD than RWD..... although the Stratos would only have light running,
@@rivierarc the only configuration I didn't try is the RWD high motor mount. The manual says it gets better traction, but I'm skeptical. You might want to try that to keep yours RWD. 👊🏼
@@poorboysrc got to be worth a try, once its on the workbench being built that is 🤪
@@rivierarc haha, you betcha! 😆👊🏼
That's a cool design feature front or rear wheel drive, do they have an option for 4wd also, now that would be something else wouldn't it. Shame about the motor burning up, can't understand why that could happen. You got me on that one Phil.😂😮
No 4WD option on this chassis, unfortunately. I agree, that would be awesome! But the FWD works surprisingly well! 👌
I don't know, maybe you should use this kit for a speed run challenge. It would be interesting to see competitors trying the different layouts and seeing who gets what to work the best.
Ah, so you're liking the idea of the MB01 as a speed run car. Ok, cool. I might have to take a vote soon... 😆
This car is on my list had the original one do love theses.
Buy some shims, bearings and steel suspension balls before you start building, it'll help tremendously! 😀
Great video Fil 😁 i noticed you still had the battery plugged in 🤔 something must have shorted somewhere in the motor 🤷🤦 good job you didn't leave it in the boot and gone in doors 😱 could have been a whole lot worse 😕
Yeah I suppose when I was shutting down all my cameras and packing up I forgot to unplug the esc from the battery. Funny thing is, I'm guilty of doing that on more than one occasion. Thank goodness the car didn't catch fire! 😳
There may have been a fire...excellent! (Cue the intro clip) 😅😅
Hahaha, glad you got a chuckle out of that! 🤣👊🏼
Since you’re making the front the back and the back the front, the body needs to go on backwards 😂
Haha it sure does! What a funny little chassis. 😆
you usually don't smell a video, Fil, but I could smell this one. That electric burning smell sure does linger.
I gotta get in touch with Elon, so he can work on creating scratch-n-sniff T.V. Bring that burnt Alfa right into your living room, RJ! 👃 💨💨💨
Hey Fil great tests and shame about those issues with nearly setting fire to the whole thing. My advice is to use the Tamiya mini rally block tyres and you should be able to run RWD ok. The scale tyres are all very nice but in the real world they don't have enough grip and you need more nobbles. My little Alfa is on a M06 RWD and runs just fine on the tarmac with those mini rally block tyres. Great vid mate 😁👍
Hey Pete, thanks for the advice, mate. I've never tried the mini rally blocks, so maybe now is the time to dive in and give them a whirl. Always need a good excuse to spend more money on RC! Lol! Cheers pal! 🍻 👊🏼
Dynamic rear camber adjustment:it's a feature, not a glitch!
Hahaha, always putting a positive spin on things. Well played! 👌😆
there was a reason why FWD cars were banned from professional motorsports..now you have proven that factor by one but only in rc form. there were other factor's that cancelled most major motorsports banning FWD cars, but too much detail to talk about. great and easy conversion? most excellent! cheers bud. see you in the next vid!
Yeah what a night and day difference! No understeer whatsoever, the thing handled awesome for a bone stock sloppy Tamiya kit. 🤣
This chassis is also the BT-01 just with longer suspension arms and a longer front chassis.
Yeah you said it. Fingers crossed the BT01 is a little less sloppy. 😳
G'day Fil, How lucky were you not to have burned the poor old Camry to ash mate!!, lucky you smelt it😳.
Thanks for the info on the slop too, it's a great looking kit so hopefully you can tune the slop out of it. Thanks for sharing your video mate 😁🙋♀️🦘🇦🇺
The poor car still stinks like burnt Mabuchi 540! Lol! Ah well, it gives it another story to tell in its 40 year life. 🤣👊🏼
@@poorboysrc
Yeh that stinks!!!
It's now a survivor of a burning 540 mabuchi in it's boot, not many camry's can tell that story👊😁
Nice result Fil, I wonder how the raised motor would have gone, I will have to wait and see. 🤓🇦🇺
I thought about trying that configuration, but I have a bit of a track record... I over-tinker and things go wrong. Lol! 🤣👊🏼
No motor burnout on the FWD testing?
It would be interesting to get an A - B comparison since the swap takes less than ten minutes. Same surface.
I'll bet the smooth concrete of the skate park made the traction worse with water on it vs the asphalt of the parking lot. I don't doubt the FWD is more stable than RWD, I'd like to see someone tackle the 'known' improvements to see how close one can get the RWD to FWD.
I should have done that, the FWD burnout to see what happens. I'll tell ya, I could barely drive it in RWD. And you're 100% right, the skate park smooth surface was SLICK! 😳
Did not know BBQ season started that early in Canada 😢😁 Yeah, in wet weather like this, best to unplug everything once done. You never know what can happen 😢 It could have been worse than a 540 motor. Take care 👍🤝
Yeah I suppose between all the cameras, phones, etc. I forgot all about unplugging the battery in the car. 🤦
Ah well, at least it didn't burn down the Camry. 😆👊🏼
Maybe a faulty motor? I wondered if the slop came from the configurability aspect. But nice to see it tightened up after the fire/trans swap. FWD for the win! Great vid. cheers
Yeah the motor must've been bad. Not sure how, these Mabuchi's are usually bulletproof. Ah well, the Alfa is a little stinky, but running great in the FWD configuration. 👌👊🏼
Motors don’t just go up in flames. I would think there’s an issue with the ESC.
Yeah it was acting funny after I swapped motors, so maybe some water splashed it and cooked something??? 🤷♂️
In the Tamiya-Cups all over the world we drive all M-Chassis in the FWD configuration. Why? You can control the stable in the curves with the throttle. The preference chassis are M-05 Ver.II and the M-07 Concept. Now you must have a FWD Body likes Mazda 2 or Alfa Romeo Mito.
I raced M05 back in the day, and it was great! M05's always best the M06's, too!
Skid marks!!!! 😂 😅 💩
OMG..... You may have to talk with Craig about this one mate, he's the master of RC car fires! 🔥
I think you should leave the skiddies on the roof.... It gives it character!
I'm guessing a combination of water and electricity, and a plugged in battery were probably to blame here dude..... luckily it was only a silver can that you killed! 😂
Maybe the ESC started sending power to the wheels due to being wet, and made the motor overheat as the car could not go anywhere in the boot? 🤔
'Strong and sloppy'..... that's certainly a good reason for her being an 'ex' if you ask me mate! 😂
Must admit, I do like the versatility of this kit, a great one for tinkerers I would say, and great to see you exploring the potential.
Certainly seemed a lot better in front wheel drive configuration though.
As for the next speed run model..... In all honesty I think a hopper challenge would be a real winner....
They are cheap, everyones got one,easy to work on, they aren't designed for speed, they have a ton of upgrade potential, and above all, they are a heap of fun!
Could you imagine how funny it would be seeing a grasshopper or hornet flying along the road at 50+ mph with its front wheels in the air? 🤔 😂
I'm looking forward to this year's challenge already mate!
👍 👍 👍
Yeah I think you're right mate, I forgot to unplug the battery, water got into the esc, shorted it, sent power to the motor, and BAM! Skid marck city! 🤣😳
@@poorboysrc
Lol.... And one Mr Hanky would be truly proud of! 💩 😂 👍 👍 👍
@@yodadarksideGreenHawksRC hahaha YES!!! 💩 🤣
You should see the 2025 Camry.
I'll give it a Google! 👊🏼
You mentioned using shims to take up some of the slop. Is there a kit of different size shims you can link to? The only ones I have are differential shims for crawlers and they're 5mm ID I think. Thanks for another great review!
I wish I could tell ya. During the speed run challenge, lots of guys were swimming up their TT01/2's, but I don't recall which shims they used. I never bothered shimming, as I was too busy keeping up with the organizing of the event, lol!
Try searching TT02 shim and see what comes up. The MB01 uses the same suspension balls, so the shims should fit the same. 👊🏼
Thank you Sir!
Looked very stable in front wheel drive. Curious to see how you fix the body.
Yeah FWD was a complete different world! 100x more stable than RWD. Reminded me of racing M05/M06 back in the day... I've got some ideas on fixing the body... 👌👊🏼
I’ve only burned up 1 silver can and it was when I tried to run my Kyosho beetle on 3s . The Tamiya silver cans do not like 3s
No, they sure don't. I've dabbled with 3S on a silver can, and it's dodgy territory! 😆
With the motor as the battery was plugged in i suspect the speedo wasnt in neutral and due to the car being packed away the wheels blocked so the motor was running current while not moving.
The M-06 has extra soft rear tires, maybe a MB-1 with softer rear tires has the rear a bit more stable?
Yeah I think the esc got wet, fried, and put power to the motor while it was in the trunk. My bad! Haha! The one time I forget to disconnect my battery... 🤦
So you had the battery still hooked up the whole drive home? Was the Rec and TX turned on also? If so, the throttle on the Tx could have been engaging after you hit a bump perhaps.....????
Yeah I definitely forgot to unplug the battery. I think water cooked the esc and sent power to the motor. 😳
Does it have different compound tires for front & rear? Did you have them the right way around?
All 4 tires are the same compound, and I've got them all facing the same way, with the tire lettering on the outside.
Can you make fwd with the motor in the high position?
No, not according to the manual. 👊🏼
Did you see the new Citron body for the mb01 because that car comes with wider front tires than the rear tires like the real car?
Yeah that one is a beauty! It's too nice for me to wreck. 🤣
You call it slop, i call it active geomatry 👍 could of been water that caused the motor issue ? Or just a duff motor 🤔 moving the motor higher should give more grip as it will make the car lean more. Its one thing i dont understand but it worked on my cougar, slippery track and when i had the go pro on the top, it had more grip 🤔😂
Active geometry! I love it!!! Haha! I can envision that on the side of the box... 🤣🤣🤣
Good Video, but bad audio on my high-end stereo system. What microphone are you using? I guess it is wireless with low bit-rates.
Bad audio how? Can you explain in greater detail?
Yes, it's a wireless mic, Amazon special, with a high satisfaction rating.
Forgive me for being highly sensitive.
The music on your videos sounds gorgeous.
The audio sounds like a cellular phone connection when you are in the studio.
You can´t hear this if you are using a smartphone to watch.
I like your content !
@@arnfriedschwarz1566 I appreciate the feedback. I'm always looking ti improve the quality of my show, so thank you. I think it's time to experiment with some sound deadening pads in my studio. I believe that's where I get some of the audio issues from.
I'd love to get a nice big mic, but I need something small and mobile for the show.
Cheers! 🍻
Its a good thing that it was the motor burning and not the lipo. 😲 Or the entire car would of been up in smoke.
Yeah man, I was crapping myself when I stopped and my car started filling with smoke. And you know the smell, that burning motor smell... ugh... 😳
@@poorboysrc No kidding! The only burn smell I like, is the burnt smell on my steak on the grill. 😛
@@rcgeneration824 haha 100%! 😄
To be fair it wouldn’t be an Alfa Romeo if it hadn’t broken down 😂
LOL Facts!
Hahahaha!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Do you use build review 1/14th Tamiya Trucks?
I've never owned a 1/14 Tamiya truck. Perhaps one day. 🤔
The slop's not nice. Even if it's on the rear axle. Since youtube everyone's complaining about sloppy Tamiya steerings. I hope I'll live long enough to see the first chassis without this con.
For the motor. I don't know how long your way home was.
But it looks like your battery was still connected to the system. So, if a little bit of current fleed, not strong enough to turn the anchors, it might cause a motor burn.
If you had disconnected the battery, the hot urns might melt the isolation colour and cause a fire.
Yeah I think you're right, Dirk. Leaving the battery plugged in was the culprit. 😳
@@poorboysrc fortunately nothing more happend to you (which is most important) or your car.
Throwing a large mah lipo in a brushed is kinda sketchy wihout some cooling. Especially with the motor so protected from cooling.
All my 2S packs are minimum 5000 mah, and I've never really had an issue. I think this one caught fire because I forgot to unplug the battery, water got into the esc, shorted it, gave power to the motor, and 🔥
Maybe water was the culprit?
I think you're right. My theory now is that water got into the esc and since I forgot to unplug it when I loaded it up in the trunk, the esc went wacky, gave power to the motor, the car probably moved forward and hit the corner of the trunk, it couldn't go anywhere and the motor went up in flames. 😳
maybe the only think i could say is water..... or a short.
Gotta be water in the esc... Too bad, I liked that esc... 🤦😂
Yeah, definitely looks more manageble on fwd configuration... But the actual Alfa should be rwd, right?
It's a cool gimmick to be able to swap configurations, but comes at a cost, all that slop... Would cost a fortune in alu and carbon bits to tighten it up, might as well buy a regular M-style chassis...
I have to admit, I am beginning to be interested in those little M-Tamiya cars, especially it would be fun to try paint one of those old sports car classics!
Ha ha, and the motor died, ha ha!
We raced M05 and M06 back in the day, and it was so much fun! The M05's (FWD) would crush the RWD M06's all day long on the track. 👊🏼
@@poorboysrc Bit of a bummer all the cool body styles are the rwd for M chassis... Let's see what happens this summer... I might deviate from my buggy obsession a bit... I'm also waiting with eagerness for the speedrun challenge, he he...
@@madsrcbuggy yeah the Lotus body is so sweet! And the Nissan 240... ah, I could go on... Speed Run Challenge you say? What speed run challenge??? 🤣🤣👊🏼
I would have left it rear-wheel drive I want to buy another chassis for one that has a front-wheel drive body.
I really wanted to leave it RWD, but the handling was too bad. 😭
@@poorboysrc get better tires make the diff more LSD by using more marine grease in it.
I wouldn’t upgrade this chassis. Buy a M08 concept chassis for the price of a Yeah Racing conversion kit, it will perform better. From experience, however the Yeah Racing conversion kits look pretty.
Yeah Racing kits are gorgeous! I can't justify the price though. I really should try an M08 some time though! 👊🏼
It got wet thats why the motor is burning... grounded motor
Thanks for the feedback! 🤙
How about a TT01 speed challenge this year? I would of done the fire man Sam and pee'd on it 😂
Hahahaha, imagine the smell of that RC after a fire and a pee? 🤣🤣🤣
@@poorboysrc wouldn't smell good but ya got to do what ya got to do 🤔
@@kanenstuff darn right ya do! 🤣
I can't believe that a Tamiya car spontaneously combusted like that! Another thing that proves the direction they are going. RIP Tamiya! 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah that was an unexpected little fire there... And add to that I've had two of their TBLE02S esc's (brand new) go up in smoke when I went to program them... Something's up. 🤷♂️🤦
@@poorboysrcI’ve had two tble 04’s go up too ..
@@craigpimlott204 you too, eh? I was about to make a video on "How easy it is to program a TBLE02" - I had it down to a 2 minute science. Then the thing lit up! 🤣🤣🤣
@@poorboysrc What, seriously! I am trying hard not to care Fil, but remember the feeling that you got in your stomach when you saw, or bought a Tamiya kit when we were kids? I really feel that in the last few years Tamiya is dropping their balls and letting us down.