The Fall of a Superstar Psychologist
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2023
- Dan Ariely is a titan in the field of behavioral economics. His work has been published in numerous peer reviewed journals and routinely cited in academia and popular media. He has consulted for top companies and governments internationally. While still revered in the mainstream, academics are beginning to question the foundations of Ariely's work. Are his most influential findings robust, and more importantly, could they be fraudulent?
Corrections: The Israeli Ministry of Finance paid Ariely 17 million ILS (not USD). This amounts to 4.65 million USD.
While reading the emails at 10:25 and 10:51 I accidentally read Aimee's response before reading Dan's original question. Thanks to those who pointed out the mistakes.
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Since publishing the video, 2 errors have been brought to my attention:
First: The Israeli Ministry of Finance paid Ariely 17 million ILS (not USD). This amounts to 4.65 million USD.
Second: While reading the emails at 10:25 and 10:51 I accidentally read Aimee's response before reading Dan's original question.
Thanks to those who pointed out the mistakes. I will be more thorough in checking for errors next time.
Honestly dishonest😂
It doesn't change much to the core message.
we all make mistakes--props for being clear and upfront about these ones. It's a low bar that many people on youtube fail to meet.
Appreciate your correcting your errors. We all make mistakes; it's the few that publicly correct them and earn my respect. Subscribed!
I could only make it halfway through because of that incessant horn melody.
This is why we seriously need to accept non-significant findings. Not finding a correlation is still useful information, but no one wants to put money into something to say you didn't find anything. And the "publish or perish" is completely true. Professors are expected to not only teach classes, but to publish a paper at least once a year in order to keep their job. Teaching and research should both be full-time commitments, otherwise both end up half-assed.
So fucking true, the emphasis is put on finding something new, and very little on eliminating possibilities
We have been doing research on the LACK of connection between correctly holding one correct belief about smoking/ nicotine use and holding a very similar correct belief. We had to submit to several journals to get the first two papers published and the third has gone out to reviewers 3 and 4.
Honestly I agree
It's super frustrating. I am a PhD student in engineering, so a bit different than psych but the research process is similar no matter where you are. I spend tons of my time trying things that do not work and I don't even expect to work. And you know what, that data coming back and telling me it didn't work is incredibly helpful. It validates that my logic is somewhat correct and helps eliminate possible avenues we can go down. But it sucks I could never publish something saying "I did X, it did not work, but here is what we learned about the system in question"
This is the real problem
This Ariely dude appeared in HBO's documentary on Elizabeth Holmes and provides some bizare moral justification for Holmes' scam. Now I realize why. He was giving justification for his own scam.
looooooooooool. Real recognise Real.
The scammer community
Projection for his own protection lol!
I was wondering where I recognized dude from! Makes sense lmao
Good catch.
The music being on an eight second loop is the perfect length to induce psychotic rage. My experiments prove it
AMEN! why everyone feels the need to put sooo much production is beyond me, like the old Dragnet (dating myself) show said "Just the facts maam" everything else is just a distraction like the sorry music vids over the last 10 years when the shot is cut every 3 quarters of a second, sooo over this crap.
Oh God I can't unhear it now x.x
Mine too
Huh?
I was fine until you mentioned it 😖
My god, that background song you chose is making me want to destroy every trumpet in existence
Academic honesty needs to be extremely promoted. I’m tired of loud fabricators getting the advantage over quiet diligent truth-tellers.
then we need to change our entire culture, all of its values, and possibly its economic system as well. Or just get used to the spectacle
Not to mention that they use their position to push their politics as well, on top of their dubious work
They should make sure during peer reviews that every 'groundbreaking' research is replicable at least in a small scale before publishing them
@@marcodallolio9746 universities and research centers might just need a better Coms department
_Enforcement_ of the academic honesty needs to be promoted.
as someone doing academic research, not getting IRB approval is insane. Not getting IRB approval for an experiment that SHOCKS PEOPLE is even crazier
And he was only suspended from working in the lab for ONE YEAR. I wouldn’t want him in any lab EVER.
as someone with two eyes, I can confirm that this video can be viewed in different resolutions
So what are you saying boy? That shocks you or something?
I'm amazed it wasn't a career-ending move.
One assumes he studied under Peter Venkman at some point.
9:00 in - A person signing every email of their’s with “irrationally yours” is the most annoying thing that I have seen in a long, long time.
And can you imagine how much more annoying it would be if that person had also been harassing you for a year, trying to gaslight you, trying to drag you into their scummy scam of a mess, and get you to lie for them about their fraudulent study! Poor Aimee.
She must have wanted to throw her device against the wall after seeing a year’s worth of those “irrationally yours” signatures. No wonder she blocked him.
This signature tells everything about this guy and his bizarre behavior.
@@yongmrchen Haha, exactly!
"Irrationally yours" is cute if it's a letter from your long-lost love telling you they're moving back across the Atlantic to be with you.
"Irrationally yours" is NOT cute if you're the author of a book called "Predictably Irrational" that you're now trying to shove down the throat of every professional relationship you have and are apparently trying to claim the word "irrational" as your personal branding
That horn theme playing on an endless loop… dude you’re killing me.
I fucking love the drama of seeing emails exchanged between two academic professionals.
Bro?
It’s one of the more entertaining things on the internet.
Yes I live for this!
"I see a bus coming. Do not contact me again." Oof.
The bus.
The irony of Ariely and the Harvard psych professor both having fraudulently manipulated data in reseadch on honesty would be hilarious if it wasn't so infuriating.
Bro.
Basically studies regarding fraud should be approached with caution.
Perhaps we need a large study about fraudulent research first....@@Yt-qi9ot
AND it the EXACT SAME research
Research is me-search. I’ve seen it too many times
Love how Aimee wasn’t buying any of his crap. You can tell he’s trying to gaslight her (“ohhh I’m sure this thing happened it definitely did you just might have forgotten right?”) but she isn’t having it. It was satisfying, seeing her politely but firmly deny him what he wants. You can tell she’s pissed lol
I had a professor have us read his book a few years ago, and she pointed out to us that his work was likely not completely true. Which totally shocked me at the time, especially from a book my professor recommended to us, but I thought it was an interesting lesson in itself.
I took Arieli’s online course through Duke and now own all his books. Not happy; I guess I should demand refunds.
My big question is whether journalists are ever going to learn that one study, by itself, no matter how interesting its findings are, means very little unless and until its findings are replicated.
Journalists are subject to publish or perish, too, so it's not a big surprise they will promote a single study like it's truth.
The wonders science
They know. They don't give a shit. It's good clickbait.
@@ryanergo754 I think that may be true in some cases, but it's also certainly true that a lot of journalists are just ignorant about the science they report on. Whether it's laziness or greed, the net result is the same.
people need to collectively punish this behavior. We want to want this as a society, which means more public education.
The email chain with Amy is really so funny (and kind of insidious if you look too hard) because he is trying so hard to get her into maybe conceding something happened and she’s like NO GO AWAY
Talk about gaslighting
Her name is pronounced Aimee not Amy... omg, u totes did that on purpose two I can tell gurlfriend. What's ur prob there Karen? U goin' all Jenny Jam Box for Mr Half Beard over there? Give it up gurlfriend...
Yeah, that's what's scary... One of the findings that HAS replicated is the reality of false memories.
It's almost like he's intentionally trying to manipulate her into creating a false memory.
@@jennyanydots2389Are you good?
Yes that was so damning. Poor Amy just wanted him to gtfo, and he was so determined to pull her down with him.
if i had a nickel for every superstar psychologist researching honesty that was exposed this year for manipulating data i'd have 2 nickles. which isnt a lot but its weird that it happened twice
Who was the other one?
I'm here for that reference, wouldn't expect it here. Well done xD
@@41tl Francesca Gino. Mentioned in the video and on the same paper (but different study) as the rental car-data.
@@003998 Study = paper. I think you mean the same JOURNAL. The same journal published both papers/studies.
The emails from the UCLA Professor were absolutely brutal. I think she says it all.
One of the PIs of the (physics) lab I did research in as an undergrad had her career impacted by the Schön scandal. She spent several years of her PhD trying in vain to replicate his false results. Academic dishonesty is absolutely vile.
I think I've read about that. Wasn't he the one who published fabricated results on high temperature superconductors or something similar?
@@icp7201 yeah, mainly organic materials displaying semiconductor behavior, there were some superconductor claims as well
It is extremely damaging to science. People waste time and money that could have been invested in other research. I wonder now with AI coming up with BS papers for people to publish.
I'm not familiar with either the subject or academia in general, and I just opened this video, but shouldn't she have made her findings public and completed her phd on the fact that they weren't reproducible? What's the point of that whole endeavour if you go into it not prepared for it to not be reproducible?
@@issecret1I think you can only get a PhD for a contribution of something original to a field, and failing to replicate a result doesn't really count. If her work was dependent on replicating something, it was probably because she had a novel way of doing it or some other hypothesis that depended on it. If she wasn't expecting to fail to replicate it, it would be a huge waste of time
The irony is turned up to eleven. His whole area of expertise is “honesty”. In describing the way the profit motive incentivises dentists to “find” cavities that aren’t there, he’s actually describing perfectly how he was incentivised to “find” that alleged fact about dentists.
Such an excellent observation
Too bad he didn't find the other half of his beard.
Duper’s Delight
This is also sad because this type of misinformation is harmful. Sure the studies about writing your name on top vs bottom is kinda harmless, but giving people fuel to not trust doctors is already such a huge issue. People literally die because they don’t trust doctors and this jerk is just giving them more reasons to avoid medical help.
@@jennyanydots2389that’s actually a bit of a distasteful comment: the one thing Ariely never lied about is him stepping on a live mine during military training
Signing professional emails with “irrationally yours” is really stupid.. even if it’s your “Schtick”.
I love videos like this! They require me to actually think. Thank you for making it and I look forward to viewing your future projects💕
I worked in academic research for over a decade. I lost count how many times I saw sloppy data analysis discover signals that didn’t actually exist. If you give one dataset to a thousand grad students, one of them will manage to interpret the noise as a signal. That student will get the publication and advance their career.
I work in industry now.
I work in industry now.
In Big Pharma, they lie for big money. At least there's a good reason.
You ask an engineer, a mathematician, and a statistician "What is 1 + 1?" The engineer answers "Two! God, everyone here is so much dumber than me!", the mathematician says "The answer approaches two". The statistician leans in and whispers "What do you want the answer to be?"
1 in 20 should be noise interpreted as signal with a significance cutoff of 0.05 without a bonferroni correction assuming they aren't using Beyesian analysis
It all goes back to the incentive structure imposed by profit-driven capitalism. Only dismantling that will ultimately solve most of our problems
@@jrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjrjr i think the significance here is that the people who conclude that its probably just noise posing as a signal, and go back to the testing phase to make sure their conclusions are right, get shunted. Meanwhile the people willing to pull on the alarm bell saying "look at what amazing signals i found" the fastest and with the least scientific rigour get "promoted". One costs more money to, usually, disprove itself and the other gets NYT best selling books/ted talks.
though in this situation it seems ariely just produced his signals out of thin air rather than making any honest mistakes...
I can’t overstate how big of an issue academic honesty is. Companies, governments, and ngo’s rely on replicating results. More and more studies are shown to be fraudulent, resulting in poor products for citizens.
Also: TED is pay to present, same goes for anything FORBES. Source: my last job bought several of each.
Not surprised. How many of the Forbes 30 Under 30 ended up being fraudsters?
Isn’t Ted curated and TEDX the garbage one?
Jew.
@@marcanton5357 Oh, so edgy. Boring.
@@HomoChomsky It's a pattern of behavior. Not recognizing it is what bores do.
TY for this upload! Great idea for a channel. Good luck and I look forward to watching previous uploads.
This background music will be in my head for days.
Nice work. Fraud is so common in modern academia for a number of reasons - I’ve covered it in medicine, but it’s everywhere…however my outsider’s perspective is that psychology is especially susceptible
Could you say that Dan was just being predictable rational given the incentives and lack of real consequences?
Stop watching and start making a new Video soon, Rohin ❤
when you become a patient of somebody who has committed medical fraud, it becomes a lot more personal and a great deal more dangerous. It seems that the academic / scientific community hasn't any sense of ethics or responsibility to the public. It's a big business profit for bullshit.
All social science.
@@lymphomasurviveyep social "science" is 95% no science at all but just repeating of pre formed propaganda.
I’m surprised at how mad I am just 9 minutes in. I ran two studies in my undergrad. I worked so hard I ended up in the hospital for ten days at the end and this guy not only apparently faked studies he gained fame and fortune off of it. It brings the whole field of psych research down.
It makes me angry that he got over a million bucks. He's living the easy life for a long time.
Jew.
Welcome to hell 😂
It gives all the old-school economics professors more ammunition to write off behavioral economics as BS. And bro doesn’t even have a minor in economics!
@@marcanton5357 Or. what??
I liked this video and went to see your other work, but was astounded to see this is your first. Incredible quality analysis and editing! Looking forward to what comes next.
Near the end, when it is mentioned that irreproducible results often get a lot of media attention, I was reminded of something a professor told me in grad school: "Bad data almost always looks interesting.".
It's crazy that people calling him out on his mistakes is a 'good lesson.' I'm a behavioral researcher, and accuracy and conscientiousness to a fault, to the level of arguing about extremely minor statistical issues and quantifying exactly our margins of errors ( called confidence intervals), is drilled into us from day one. Researchers do not 'forget' things like whether something was IRB approved or where the data came from, we obsessively hold onto our data securely and can bore others to tears about how we painstakingly collected it. This guy is a liar who knew exactly what he was doing.
PhD chemist here, what researcher doesn't keep their data. I have files of original NMR, IR, UV, mass spectra, lab notebooks, quarterly research reports going back >20 years. Behavioural research does not qualify as science. It is a mixture of religion and performing art at its best.
Yep, guy's a PhD and is pulling the "oops, forgot something, sorry" line. No.
@@nandi123 I dunno.
I agree, on one hand, with the first part of your statement. On the other hand, "Behavioral research does not qualify as science" seems like an incredibly broad dismissive mandate for a field that you are well and truly *not a part of.* Behavioral research has led to things like CBT which is one of the ONLY statistically significant treatment methods for things like OCD, of which I am a part.
There's a repeatability crisis in psych at the moment, and it takes a fool to ignore that, but it takes an equal fool to reject, wholesale, the non-fraudulent, entirely repeatable data over the course of the longevity of the field. It's one thing to say "Disgraced ex-Doctor and forever-Shithead Andrew Wakefield is a hack who faked data to upsell vaccines to kids with autism," and another to say "Immunology as a field is not science because of Andrew Wakefield, disgraced ex-doctor and forever-shithead."
I am not in that psychology world, or any of that good stuff but when this video started, my gut told me this guy is a fraud - his leaving top universities, so many errors or left out vital information in his studies and most of all the gaslighting emails he sent to Aimee - what a fraudualant narcissist. Yes, he does know exactly what he is doing, the only difference between him and Jekel and Hyde Elizabeth Holmes is she's in jail. Their similarities are they are not bothered one bit by standing in public telling boldface lies.
@@candyh4284tbf though.
The amount of non repeated research is enormous.
The whole field of social sciences is built upon flimsy frameworks.
And yet, no lecturers will even mention that fact. Students just goes in, building more research on hypothesises that were built upon other hypothesis.
Even if they were accurate. The accumulated errors skews the whole thing
In the Netherlands we had a researcher called Diederik Stapel who also fabricated data in the same field of study (EDIT: social psychology) back in 2011. It was such a drama that his surname became synonymous with fraud (doing a Stapel) in some cricles. It seems social psychology, with it's counterintuitive findings and large interest in the findings from media, is very fertile ground for fraud.
Going back to the 19th century, we have the Abbot Gregor Mendel, whose results in plant breeding experiments were judged 50 years after his death by the statistician Sir Ronald Fisher to have been too good to be true. Fisher's own colleague, the psychologist Sir Cyril Burt, has also been judged by posterity to have faked his later results.
It's also interesting, so it can make money. So there will be fraud.
@@adanufgail That's the power of "Popular Science." Stephen Toulmin's essay on Modern Metaphysics explained how it has replaced what our ancestors called "Natural Theology," with its broad generalizations about life, the universe and everything that could never be justified by any evidence. Pop Sci is what we want to believe, what gives us comfort, and where the big money really is.
@@fotter9567 interesting! You never really hear of physicists or economists falsifying their data. Also I read in a news article from earlier this year that many of Diederik Stapel's papers are still being cited even though they are retracted as well. Such a strange field of study
It’s almost a fraud discipline. Sad
Off topic but can’t believe this is your first video
Extremely well done and thorough
Great first video! I like your style of content, I’m excited to keep watching. 😊
I think the issue starts with how academia in now all fields has degenerated into a d*ck measurement competition, on whose publication list is the longest. That essentially ruined the whole idea of "let's keep working hard until we have something of value". I did a PhD thesis in a engineering/health-science and had a good hypothesis on how certain medical conditions could be predicted from mechanical data. I spend months and months building up simulation pipelines and everything, but at the end, when I finally got the data, it was clear pretty quickly that no signal was to be found. I cut my losses and published it in a nothing-burger journal as an "interesting method on how to calculate forces in the body" and left it there. I could have easily "seen patterns in chaos" when looking at my data and with some pushing, sold it as something much more fancy, but that is not the point of science. Also personally, I'd much rather be an honest nobody than a successful fraud.
If true, Bless u for your academic honesty
Well said brother. Academy needs an urgent reform to replace the "publish or perish" mentality. Viewing research with a quantity over quality approach has opened the flood gates for so many fraudsters
It's really all about money
This is why you should worship academics and scientists. At this point the academic institutions are rotten to the core.
@@GiegueX In a lecturer in the field of Urban Planning my lecturer had assigned a reading that while on exactly the topic she wanted was poorly written and poorly referenced. The first thing she did was point out the journal it is in skips a ton of the review process just to publish quickly and that we should avoid it. I can't remember the journal right now and my university intranet is currently being maintained but it was concerning that this is a new thing to pop up
13:05 "You get paid more if you find more cavities..." (from his dentists' study) pretty well summarizes his entire modus operandi when it comes to his approach to psychological studies. He presents a hypothesis that fits a narrative he wants to present and then his papers "find the cavities" to support the hypothesis/narrative, which is how he increases his revenue, personal wealth, and social capital.
Great comment
Telling on himself like he’s Johnny Silvestri.
@@paullopez2021lol! Excellent parallel and very topical. Well done, Sir!
For what it’s worth, though, for an exam and a cleaning around 2002, I went to a cheap-assed dental school’s subsidized sliding-scale clinic, they took X-rays, and told me I needed to have all four wisdom teeth out IMMEDIATELY, and that I otherwise had 7 cavities in need of filling, but that they would not even touch the cavities until I’d had the wisdom teeth out as otherwise it’d be a “waste of time.” My teeth felt fine, so, horrified at the prospect of it all, I went crying to my soft-hearted Mom, who because I was then a broke-ass offered to pay for me to see her quite expensive dentist … and he not only said nothing about my wisdom teeth, he didn’t find a single cavity. Now 21 years later I still have my wisdom teeth (one even emerged), and I’ve only had two fillings since. I tell that story a LOT! Regardless of Dan Ariely’s methodology, always get a second opinion before you let a dentist do major work on your teeth … especially if that dentist stands to collect a shit-ton of money for the work from a bottomless fund, and especially if it’s a school looking for indigent folk to practice on.
I'm gonna be real, I've had zero cavities in my entire life. I should; I'm a heavy smoker, drink coffee, all the worst things you can imagine. *Zero cavities, zero anything.*
A dentist is usually erasing their evidence when they're performing any surgeries as a result *of the surgery.* I believe the dentist part.
This incident's stuck with me ever since one of my labmates shared the Data Colada posts with me. It's such a vivid example of how celebrity and "entrepreneurship" can lead to some serious conflict of interest in research. Good work laying it out in a narrative fashion!
This was awesome. Hope to see more from you - the chill vibes and info from this video was awesome
I have been told by a research ethics university administrator that he is not a policeman and doesn't want to hear about wrongdoing. The last thing any ambitious administrator, even one who has a job chairing a research ethics board, seeking to climb the greasy pole wants to deal with is the fallout from a research ethics scandal.
What a coward
such a brilliant biting comment bravo
it's mostly fraud- all over and at every school. There is no real scientific research happening and there hasn't been since the 20th century.
And what does that make you, unless you report this? I'm chairing a research ethics committee, and we do take complaints seriously, and we do correct mistakes. If we did not, it would return to bite us later. Researchers are normal people, most behave well, some don't.
@@tzenophile Are you tenured? Do you get your paycheck from the university, or from grants? Did you realize retaliation is a thing? Did you realize that confronting someone in a position of authority with an accusation can cost one's career? Brave words, man. Let's see how you can protect the careers of people who bring complaints to your committee. The fact that you haven't spoken of these facts speaks volumes about your committee's ability to effectively address ethics complaints. If your committee can not protect whistleblowers, and it probably can't, it's acting to provide the appearance of a process to address ethics complaints and actually papering over the malfeasance of senior faculty. University politics is poison. If you actually hold someone powerful accountable, you will be blackballed and you will suffer.
The emails to Aimee Drolet are just pure desperation
Lmao, saw a man drowning and said, "sink."
I can respect that.
I was really disgusted that he thought he could and tried to emotionally manipulate a colleague. “Bleeding?” Gross, and insulting her intelligence given its coming from the chair of the psychology department at duke
When Dan Ariely exploded onto the stage over a decade ago, I was fascinated with his work and often cited it when talking with friends and colleagues about certain behaviours.
I'm not a behavioural economist so when talking about these things I refer to someone who is.
In the same way as I might cite Newton or Einstein when talking about gravity. This is epistemology, standing on the shoulders of giants, etc.
This is why peer review is important and the ability of scientists to replicate other scientist work. Otherwise our foundational knowledge is worthless.
I can't help thinking that money and fame has had an effect on Dan's body of work but that is conjecture and just my opinion.
Therefore it should not be taken seriously, that isn't how science works.
Yeah I like studying economics and even delving into behavioral economics and this guy popped up on my feed it's a shame the dude is a con man.
Fiat Science
Great first video! I really liked this short style content and I am always interested in academical mismanagment info. Allt the best and good luck with you education!
I remember reading an Ariely study that somebody cited on reddit and being shocked at how bad it was:
- it used "lie detectors" (term used in the study) to determine results as if they could detect lies accurately
- control group didn't control for anything
- data was not published and data analysis almost non existent
I thought maybe he was under pressure to publish quickly but was still astounded he put his name on that thing.
I didn't know he was this bad
This dude must have quite the trail of pissed off former colleagues around him.
...Polygraphs? Are you kidding? How did his career go anywhere after that? Polygraphs are about 50% accurate, and I'm being generous.
Not even intensive brain scans would work. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing, you start believing your own lies. Someone who's got a mastery of their mental faculties could probably even manipulate a brain scan.
Edit: How? If you can compartmentalize your thoughts, if you have the ability (or rather lack the ability) to express proper emotion from some cluster-B disorders, treating the statement as a "recital" instead of a lie, I can probably think of more. Are they tested or proven? No, but does that stop actual psychologists?
He made it and suffered no consequences because he's Hebrew.
@@charlesferdinand422ah yippee antisemitism just say Jewish you're just trying to bypass filters
@@charlesferdinand422is that why nprr tried to elevate, then bust him?
Personally, the Ariely frauds are still heartbreaking. I went on a behavioral economics phase when I was in high school. I read Freakonomics, Thinking Fast and Slow, and Predictably Irrational and The Upside of Irrationality during class, and I seriously considered being a behavioral economist partly because of Ariely (I didn't, I became a chemist). Now seeing a part of that world being fraudulent kind of hurts.
Wait, he was Freakanomics?
@@Seth9809no
@Seth9809 no freakonomics was steven levitt and Stephen dubner
Ugh why do people still bring up Freakonomics 🙄
@@saehisayawait, has Freakonomics been debunked or something?
Hey, great job with this video! I'll be looking out for more in the future!
Love your narration, the music, and the overall presentation. I hope you have a large catalog I can binge while I work.
Edit: you literally have 1 video lol. Hope to see more quality content from you in future.
This guy wasn’t even a smart fraud. The odometer data is hilarious.
What's really impressive is how that that went unnoticed. isn't there supposed to be peer review?
@@TehPwnererpeer review is flexible to considerations like credentials, of which Ariely has plenty
@@muhammadputera6593 If peer review is not double blind, it it worthless
I think a lot of these guys are good at everything they need to do to get into these positions, but often find it's hard to do new and interesting research once they're there, so the pressure leads them to "massage" things a little. But lying and cheating are their own skill trees and they just aren't good at it.
Not to make excuses for them. They should be humble and accept these cushy positions may not be for them, but humans are gonna human.
Makes you wonder how much fraud from more clever fraudsters is out there. Any undergrad could have just used a Gauß distribution and made the fraud undetectable.
the same three music notes in the background throughout the video drove me wild 😭
Me too 😭
I know it was so distracting and annoying 🙃
I think it’s more like 5-7, but these people need to believe in what they’re pushing out. I’d argue that people not having any confidence in the videos they post and having to cram unnecessary production is arguably as egregious as the focus of the video.
If you put out quality content, all the fluff is simply unnecessary.
i didnt even notice till i read this
someone should do a study on why no one noticed
This is a great video! I like the editing, voiceover, and overall flow of it.
It is so frustrating when people in the scientific community take shortcuts or mess with data or even fabricate a whole study. It tarnishes the reputation of everyone else in their field. I agree with the other comments about promoting honesty and integrity.
Really enjoyed the information, perspective and reasonably thorough investigation. Really struggled to get through it with the music background.
I stopped watching Ted talks many years ago for this very reason. I got the impression that most of the talks were given by people who were good at giving talks, and not much else. Snake oil salesmen, in other words. Now I'm not saying that is representative of everyone or even most people who give Ted talks - it's just the perception I got from watching many talks.
I can also think of notable authors and speakers who are well respected because they can talk, but when you listen to their arguments you see that it lacks logic and cohesion. But yet they continue to make money pretending to be more intelligent than they really are (like a certain proponent of so-called Revisionist History).
You've gotta see Sam Hyde's TedX talk. If you're annoyed by the pretentious self promotion, you'll love it.
Most real academic talks are like, some dude with little public speaking training talking in a hotel conference room to a few dozen people with 720p video and shoddy audio lol
@DarwinFlinches
Tell that to computerphile
Me too. Decades ago!
If you think fraud is rampant in regular studies, take a close look at nutrition research...
This!
What fraud is there specifically in nutrition research?
It's everywhere, widespread and systematic from back in the 1950's. Lies about food are why most everybody is so fat and sick...sick, food addicted people make more money for the food and medical people. Just look around at most people. @@hiker-uy1bi
Especially in the medical fields
@@hiker-uy1bi Ever heard of Big Cheese?
Wow I was hoping you had more videos. I loved this and really wanted to hear from you more. 😢
As a fellow Economics student i remember this man being discussed in my behavioural economics course. So interesting yet discouraging to see that such a well respected and influential researcher made up so much data. Very well made video, I will be eagerly awaiting your next video!
This is blowing my mind. I've never seen your channel before and idk why this video was recommended to me, but I studied under Dan Ariely at Duke and he was one of my heroes. I'm crushed. 😢
Don't trust any member of the tribe bud
@@troycambo The fuck is that supposed to mean?
People (and new scientists in all areas) need to learn, look up at the data, not the people making/collecting the data. There's no heroes in science, just people doing their work, and unless their work is world breaking, they are still people, a very fallible one.
@@troycambo what are you, a vietnamese neo nazi?
@@troycamboOy vey! How dare you cwiticize one of G-d’s chosen people?!
Thanks for covering this. I’m not an academic, but a citizen that looks to experts that help government create public policy. There’s an anti-intellectualism movement in America, and academia not doing it due diligence is further sabotaging themselves. I don’t know how I’m supposed to advocate for better laws when I can’t even justify “factual” information anymore.
It isn’t anti-intellectualism. People like Dan told you that’s the issue.
It is anti academia, and it is not irrational.
What's irrational is that trusting "the science™️" has risen exponentially in democrats despite the increasing politicization of science including with affirmative action and of course the replication crisis. More conservative people have an attitude of love the science hate the scientist and a view that much of it is rent seeking which is true
I have a solution for you: don't look for experts in any field. Become an expert, read, research, but i guess you love your idols.
Yep. As universities increasingly become for-profit enterprises and talent sweatshops for corporations to cherrypick from, it's increasingly difficult for people to take both universities and a university education seriously. It's been a long time since American colleges were a home for intellectuals seeking self-improvement and discovery, as opposed to self-aggrandizement and wealth.
When I was in uni, almost all my best professors were 60 or over, tedious old men and women who knew not only everything about their specialty, but a great deal about everything else, too. They were full of anecdotes about errors they had made, misinformation their peers had published, and the dumb fads that had swept through academia.
I had a professor with a copy of Berkeley's little book praising eugenics, and how it was a shame we were falling behind Germany in this great field in the 1930s. How the US was too conservative and close-mindedly religious to keep up.
Almost all of them have been replaced by the newer generation of professors, no longer intellectuals who view their career as a lifetime of sharing discovery with students, but see it only as an opportunity to tell people what to believe.
@@moenibusi think they moreso meant that if the data politicians are using is unreliable (or overall unavailable), then its hard to know what to vote for when it comes to policy. ive also encountered this issue, and not everyone has the means nor the knowledge to go out collecting numerical data for every issue theyre concerned with like researchers might, so we have to rely on external sources or information like data from academic professionals.
Very well produced video. It’s a privilege to be here for your first project. I have zero background in the peer reviewed studies world, and I found this work to be captivating and easy to follow.
Great video. If I understand correctly this is the first (and at this time, the only) Video on your page. In any case, it’s an excellent video and I look forward to future work from you.
Fraud is a REPEATED problem in psychology. There was another scholar in the early 2010s who had to retract most of his published work, as I recall. Other studies in this field have posited that most studies draw incorrect conclusions. It's a difficult field, for sure,but not made easier by charlatans.
The field was cursed from the get go I swear
Modern day astrology
@@anathema2325 In the past yes. But we have more evidence ever since we could scan the brain and work out the chemical balances etc.
Also psychology is why we go: Ah yes, they have schizophrenia. Let us try this dosage of medication to just stabilise their brain.
Instead of saying: They're possessed by demons get the priest.
Perhaps the studies that posited that most studies draw incorrect conclusions was fabricated.😀
Maybe an honesty pledge should be there at the top of the page for submitting paper. It will probably lower the % of fraud compared to putting the pledge right below the button.
The claim about dentists and cavities was crazy to just announce on NPR along with the name of a gigantic insurance company. What the hell did he think was gonna happen?
Evidently, nothing other than a semi-retraction from NRP and a half-hearted, lawyered statement from Delta. Ariely went right on making millions and basking in his fame.
Funnily, it's an insurance company that employs actuaries who may be better at practicing statistical analysis than Ariely himself.
This is really well-done. Make more videos! You’re really talented
I subbed before the video started. Dont think ive ever done that in over a decade of tubing. Great work.
It's not just publish or perish that is the issue. It's the emphasis on positive results in research. Saying something doesn't work or there is no correlation does not get academic attention. It actually wastes time to not publish negative results as other groups may spin their wheels on the same idea.
Super interesting and well done. Feedback: the extremely repetitive background music was very distracting. Maybe lower it to barely anything or remove all together (I know non-repetitive music is expensive). But I think your content can stand on its own without the music. :D
Posted a comment saying about the same thing before I scrolled down and saw yours!
You took the words out of my mouth! My thoughts exactly!
Agreed, I'm a few minutes in and it's already annoying
Yeah first and foremost great content, but my ears keep wondering if this is a caravan sound alike haha
Seconding this. Especially when there s audio replay from interviews etc
such a well put-together video, well done! on the other hand, I feel brainwashed by the repetitive background music, can't finish the vid sadly
Also interesting to note at the 8:00 minute mark when discussing replication of the studies - the meta analytic effect size of 0.11 also has confidence intervals which cross the threshold of 0, which many people interpret as being non-significant. Compared to the original study, which had a large effect size and did not cross 0 in the confidence intervals.
The majority in academia know the sinking feeling when you realise your research from the last X months is going nowhere. It requires a lot of courage to face that, especially if your job, career, and status depend on it being otherwise.
Yes. We need to publish more “failures” and stop looking at them as a failure, if that makes sense. Without publishing these, how many others are going to continue to waste their time and funding when they could’ve just read that it already didn’t work? Maybe they could’ve read that finding and attempted a slightly different approach that would’ve produced more significant findings. It’s very frustrating.
@@johnracine4589 Nobody wants to hear this, but that's not gonna happen in a capitalist economy where education is a commodity rather than a necessity. Production for profit kills this notion dead -- publishing failures isn't profitable, and you can only do what's profitable.
The worst part abt that email chain is that he’s a psychologist and can’t tell that she’s tired of his bullshit, that everyone understand what he’s up to lol
Incredible effort for your first video. I know you are a student, but i would love more dissections like this. Well done
The pan over and music at 1:05 is so good! I haven’t got through the whole video but I can’t stop thinking about it haha
The first paper being also the one gino is in is just so awful. There were two researchers independently faking data in the same paper, and academy didn't realize and/or care
Perhaps the answer to that is: There were two researchers who did a very sloppy job when they faked data like everybody else.
Bro.
maybe they're all faking data.....
I mean, both of them were actually found out - it just took too long.
Jew.
As penance for all his misdeeds, Ariely should be made to listen to the infuriatingly repetitive and irritating background music of this video. The fact I made it through despite it is a testament of how important the topic is and, to an extent, how good your reporting on it is.
Lmao five trumpet notes being played over a generic hiphop beat for a TWENTY MINUTE video is a pretty odd choice
100%. Terrible choice. There is so much great music out there that is free to use. Why this??
Ahhhh why did you make me notice it, I'm pissed now
I noticed too
I'm not gonna make it. Too much noise at once. Sensory overload! 🤯
Nice work. This popped up in my feed and found it very informative. I subscribed, looking forward to your future videos.
This was a great first video!!!! Keep making more content
The sad truth is that if we want to do a truly good job and create great research, we are at a massive career disadvantage because it takes much less time to cheat, and people rarely analyze the work closely enough to see that the good work is the real deal. They just count number of papers and citations when looking to hire...and so that's what academics optimize for. It's really messing with our science...there is so much useless or incorrect work out there...but it still counts towards publication count, so mission accomplished, I guess 🙄
almost like academics should only be hired by people more qualified than them, and if there's no one who fits that description they should just have tenure. people have decided that tenure is bad, but this is the alternative. there are people who are so deep in various research rabbit holes there's almost nobody who can peer review them anymore. the amount of trust is insane. any kind of bullshit artificial citation or number of papers related pressure on those people and i feel like the trust would disintegrate.
@@ellielikesmathThat is a very dark take. 😞 I don't believe in tenure, though.
Barely anyone of any sophistication hires on count statistics as you suggest. Those are what institutions use to filter the maddening horde down to a manageable set of interview candidates. In the last stage of selection the criteria become:
A) Do I wish to work alongside this person for months or years?
B) Will this person bring credit or shame to the department, which potentially bleeds into my own future credibility and reputation?
C) Will I end up working extra heaps of unpaid overtime to fix some shambles that this person leaves behind?
If you do find a department where the churn is so outrageously high that no-one involved feels exposed to these variables in the middle to long term, well, human organizations rise and fall the same as anything else and all you can do is shake your head and say "the Dilbert is strong in this one".
Middle management is the most common profession in my extended family, spanning all three sectors (profit, nonprofit, governmental). None of them could possibly take hiring more seriously. They all suffered through bad choices (sometimes their own, but not always), and they have all thrived on good choices. The first rats off a sinking ship are the ones who smell careless HR.
Seriously, read:
* _Work Rules: Insights from Inside Google_ (2015)
* _Creativity, Inc._ (2014)
* _Becoming a Manager_ (2003) - _very_ dry, but useful
90% of everything is junk, and that goes double for management literature (where 99% seems to be junk), but these three books were not written by dummies on any dimension.
I happen to also like anything by Ricardo Semler (early 2000s), because everything he did was at right angles to established practice. Not very useful for most of us, but catnip for thinking outside the box.
If you have a WASPish reverence for the afterlife, you might also like _Servant Leadership: A Journey Into the Nature of Legitimate Power and Greatness_ (2002). My father was a minister, but I became an atheist at age 8. Nevertheless, some trace of WASPy reverence remains bred in the bone for me, so I got something out of this book, despite my sidelong sneer at all things metaphysical.
That'll just deepen the corruption, bad take.@@ellielikesmath
Data fabrication needs to criminal, including JAIL TIME. The mistrust it causes does untold damage on society.
Jew.
@@marcanton5357tard
@@marcanton5357 A nazi in this day and age? yikes.
@@dickurkel6910He could be muslim. I heard they hate jews.
A professor in Florida went to prison for lying about a PhD in Business Administration he never received. What Ariely has done is arguably much more deserving of a prison sentence.
Great video! Why this should have been a surprise to me I’m not sure. I’m usually very skeptical about any data, and this has just made me more so.
Well done. Thank you for highlighting a serious problem.
The phrase "publish or perish" is very real. There is huge pressure for all professors at all universities to get grants and publish papers. As universities take a large amount off the top off each grant, that process is a major part of university funding. I feel anecdotally that a large number of papers end up with fake data in order to keep the money flowing. This is just one that was made famous.
For NIH-funded grants, indirect costs (i.e., the portion of grant funds that go to a university) actually aren't that substantial relatively speaking. They basically can't be used for anything other than maintenance, heating, electricity, and some administrative/custodial staff for research facilities. There's also a cap on how much money can be given to fund staffing vs utilities. If NIH indirects went away, most universities would continue to operate, they just wouldn't be able to keep research facilities active and would have to abandon them or sell them off.
I can also assure you that the pressure for researchers to get grants has less to do with indirects that go to the university and more to do with direct funds, which researchers control directly and which are often used to fund the purchase of equipment or to fund staff positions within a lab. Large universities don't really get a cut of these funds in the same way since they are "owned" and managed by the researcher.
As someone who worked in the academic field, I agree there is that issue, but I don't think that is really why this particular case happened. The person was clearly motivated by greed and fame. They probably had no issue getting published or getting money since they were famous.
I think the biggest issue with academia is that research is driven by capitalistic interests. I don't know what it was like in the past. But in the last 15 years, there has been a huge incentive to be famous because it opens all sorts of doors money wise, prestige wise, career wise etc. Similarly, having a famous member of staff is very beneficial for the university usually. There isn't a lot of incentive to do correct or accurate science.
I mean now you even see famous professors on CZcams peddling junk supplements and giving bad advice based on single studies using their labs names and their respective Universities turn a blind eye. Meanwhile, the truth-teller professors aren't nearly as famous or attention grabbing as this "one simple trick to maintain your alertness".
Just another reason why education should not be a for profit system
This is for big money --- tens of millions.
Him trying to flirt with Amie with “i miss our early days” and “irrationally yours” had me in knots 😂
quant out of the gate with a banger! Awesome work on this. Whenever I see an academic fraud reporting, I always wonder how much damage each dishonesty/fraud case does to the public’s trust in science, and it makes me sad.
I worked as a research method teacher (including statistics) for 10 years at two psychology department. The talk at 17:25 about removing a data point they did not like was really telling. 'Look at us! We are removing data we don't like. Look how smart we are to realize that and protect ourselves from that. We are doing such a good job!'. While this should be second year bachelor knowledge AT MOST. Crushing how such elemental practice is touted as almost a discovery by a leading scientist.
Imagine a therapist bragging that they know the names of the 10 most common diagnosed disordres in the DSM.
I just finished my first stats class and when he said that I was like "Duh. You take out the outliers."
thats such a good way to summarize it lmao
@@SnarkTheMagicDragon was thinking that the whole time, my high school level of psychology and statistics education taught me enough about removing data points above/below a certain threshold... and that should be even more important when a test subject is literally inebriated
wouldn’t the person being drunk already disqualify them as a valid data point? why even accept their participation if you could tell they were under the influence?
I'm so glad this video showed up on my front page! I'm a late career psychologist (was in academia, now industry) who has followed the "replication crisis" and QRPs for years, cheering on Retraction Watch and the "data thugs" and Andrew Gelman and the open science folks etc. from the start. This might be the first video on this account, but this is clearly not your first video, as this is professional-grade work. So absolutely impressive in terms of both the content and presentation, you just crushed it. Can't wait for more.
I first watched this video a few weeks after it was published and just today Ariely's scandal with the insurance data came up in my engineering psychology class and I instantly remembered it. Hope you make more soon this was fantastic and really informative
Just wanted to say, you gained a sub. That was solid content. Looking forward to more videos from you.
Damn man. I was made to read so much of Arielis work for my bachelors in Economic Sociology. Thanks for brining this to my attention - I'll be passing it on to my uni
I actually had a dentist try to fill 3 cavities I didn't have. I just never went back to get the work and years later another dentist gave me an all clear. So this kind of practice definitely occurs. That is probably why Ariely thought he could get away with lying about the data 😂
Same for us, we got wise when dentist commented we were bank rolling his vacation. Confronted the guy and got stammering and sputtering and we left to never return.
The mark of truly a great MAGA supporter
I had a dentist do a root canal on my second visit, even though he said at the end of the first appointment "at least you don't have to do a root canal next time" I didn't realise what was happening until it was too late, and when confronted he said "no, I said at least you will have to do a root canal next time also" which makes absolutely no sense. I think he just forgot what he said last time
@@Myrzghe Oh I don't believe that story at all. Just springing a root canal on you? Okay buddy. Happens all the time in your 'fantasy world' i'm sure.
@@jennyanydots2389 why would I make up something so specific and not really worthy of talking about in other situations? I was supposed to have a regular filling, and did not notice it was not until I had that rubber thing stretched over my face. Assuming a root canal is the same as a "root filling" in my language that is, where they drill down into the roots and fill them? And how can you argue against that after the fact? All the evidence is gone, and if a cavity needs to be drilled or not can vary from dentist to dentist anyway, and I assume it's the same for root stuff, so the xrays will not help you either
I hope you make more quality videos, this is amazing.
Please make more videos like this!! Especially that about psychology. You just earned another sub!
This is such a well edited video, super informative and kept my focus. One small suggestion would be to vary the background music, as the tune you have throughout can get a little irritating.
Variety, and a bit quieter - it was competing too much with your voice, and a little too repetitive.
NO background music would be an improvement.
I'm somewhat surprised that governments and companies that hire experts don't have a standard clause to the effect of "We're hiring you based on the assumption that you have properly performed this research, and if it ever turns out you didn't, you owe us our money back".
Plus damages
Or just get multiple experts so they can call the others' bullshit.
@@thr3treebase886A certified Tricia Cotham moment
They're committing fraud. It seems like academia just didn't want the world to see how big the problem is maybe?
Awesome video! congrats on the popularity. One bit of feedback though... when you read emails receipts it usually goes oldest on bottom with reply on top. You can see that if you check the timestamp of the messages. (e.g. around the 10:45 mark).
Anyway, good luck on your growth on the platform! I bet you have a bright future coming soon.
I love the premise of your channel! Love psychology, and had learned to enjoy the economic components when I did human geography, so this kinda stuff is really interesting. Hope you make more content!
Glad you brought him up because everyone is only talking about the woman that collaborated in some of his tests that also fabricated tests at Harvard. And yet he’s barely being mentioned
She got all the attention and he got a pass plus a few million dollars because he's Hebrew.
@@charlesferdinand422*because he’s a man. fixed it for ya
This was a fantastic video. I just watched a different video about the president of Stanford University being busted for "manipulating" data. It gives me so many mixed emotions, knowing that there is so much incentive to be dishonest in the world of academia. Like so much else in this world, it seems that good and honest people are punished while the most ruthless and dishonest among us are given everything.
As silly as it may sound, I have become conditioned to immediately disregard anything that is said by someone on stage in front of an audience wearing a headset. It always seems to pretentious to me, like they just seem like they think they're oh so important and expect the audience to hang onto their every word, oohing and ahhing and applauding constantly. Every time I see it, I think of cult leaders, MLM conventions and those cheesy infomercials from the late 90s and early 2000s.
Agreed. It's similar to "the SM7B effect" where speaking into those big black podcast microphones immediately endows the speaker with an inflated sense of their own importance. The microphone/amplification effect adds legitimacy without foundation and most audiences seem to think less critically if there is a stage/studio environment bolstering the speaker.
For your first video, great job! Got an easy sub outta me
I’m studying psychology and watching this is just insane. How did he even get away with all the dishonesty ???
He's Hebrew so he got a pass and even made a few million bucks.
Celebrity. People wanted to believe he was legit. If you're even semi famous everyone around you turns into a total pucking moron I guess.
@@charlesferdinand422 go back to your klan meeting.
@@charlesferdinand422 weeeeeeEEEEEEOOoooooooOOOOOWWWWwweeeeeeeEEEEOOOoooooo sorry that's my nazi alarm
It depends on what tribe you belong to.
This made me very sad - I wasn't aware of the controversy around his findings until I saw your video. As a consultant I have used his work as basis for my work in improving organizational outcomes for nearly 2 decades, and I'm currently unsure on how I should proceed from here. There's no doubt we created measurable(!) positive outcomes in the organizations I worked with - but I now wonder how much of that was based on our process designs, and how much was simply the momentum we created through the change process (basically cheer-leading them to success).
This really sucks.
Bro. 😔
Here is my theory. Take almost any self help book. Really put your all into it. Take all the advice. Do it right. And your life will be helped. Almost like the source doesn’t actually matter. Which is why you’ve seen results from using dubious if not outright fake studies
@@jamesbizs Bro?
This is pretty good, I'll show this to some people who are so obsessed with "psychology life hacks" that are actually based on BS such as "point your feet towards someone when talking for better communication"
Some people need to understand most "life hacks" are snake oil, simple solutions to complex problems, sold by gurus.
This is why I only use overly complicated life hacks, a youtube series to live by.
Great first video. Good enough to make a living. Please carry on I believe I have an eye for talent
Pointing out that he signed at the bottom when he lied about the study was cold as ice and I liked it 😂