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The Ultimate Fender Squier Jaguar Shootout | Classic Vibe vs Vintage Modified
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Today, we look at (and hear) the differences between the Squier Vintage Modified Jaguar and it's more 'up-to-date' sibling the Classic Vibe...
If you're looking for an affordable Jag, you could grab a used VM... or spend a bit more on the newer Classic Vibe.. but is it worth the extra cash?
Let's find out..
Pickup sound comparisons: 3:00
To hear the Vintage Modified in action, playing some Smiths, check out;
• The Smiths | How Soon ...
SOMETIMES a dude makes a video containing the EXACT info you need. Thank You my Friend :)
You have the all-time Best Demo Ever on this Planet Amazing Job thank you I've watched it several times over the last couple weeks tomorrow I'm picking up a used red jaguar modified
Just bought one of these. The one I took home is amazing quality. There wasn’t a single American made Fender in the store that had anything on it; absolute gem. However, the other one I played (which is exactly the same model even down to color), was utter garbage. Unbelievable difference. Highly recommend playing before buying if you can or making sure the shop has a solid return policy.
Thanks for the comparison. I got the Classic Vibe last week. Put 10s on and had to increase shim thickness in the neck joint to achieve correct geometry. Tightened truss rod, raised and intonated the bridge, tickled up a few frets and we're off to the Zoo 😊 Pickups are fine but sound best not too close to the strings, I'm really liking it. At first I thought of changing the pots for 500kOhm but I think they are fine for now.
Same here. Had to really lower those pickups on my jazzmaster Squier 40th anniversary. Otherwise too shrill.
I went into the store on Wednesday to try out all the offsets, even tried those rerelease Harmony guitars, I really have always wanted an offset but end up with some else at the time it came down to it. They had the bullet mustangs (all junk frets), a couple VM 60s Jag, the J Mascis, and the Daphne blue 70s CV. Going in I thought if I would buy anything, it would be a J Mascis but it just didn’t have everything, just missing what the 70s CV had. This guitar plays better or at least as good as my American strat! They guy at the store even said, yeah I play that one all the time, it just feels amazing! I couldn’t agree more, so that was 3 days ago and I’ve barley set it down!!! I just love it! I threw 10-52s on it and it stays tune really well and I use the bar a lot!! Hope this helps anyone with their future purchases. Please play before you pay!!! Even the same guitar models can vary SO much!
Thanks ! Exactly what i was looking for.Great comparison !
Thanks Jerry! Hope it helped you out man
@@wilsonguitars2724 yes it did,especially the pickup comparison ,which sounded prettier on the cv in clean(particularly the bridge pu) i agree on that and everything else pretty much, the only thing i personally dislike about the classic vibe are the block inlays.
The quality control makes me hesitant to order one online though,but thanks for the warning.
Same here, my CV was completely unplayable when I received it new. But, once the nut was properly cut and the frets were level this guitar plays great and stays in very tune well. Its actually my favorite guitar. I love the neck profile and binding. Feels great. I actually like playing this more than my American made Fender Mustang or Jazzmaster.
Quality control at Squier last couple of years made me buy the VM. Don't agree the CV is better. Far from it.
@@stuartcameron7590 I'm not sure why you're replying to my comment disagreeing with something I didn't write. Good luck to you.
i have the same surf green VM... looks like I'm about to get a black CV.... nice review....nice notes on the setup...( my new
shell pink Jazzmaster needed a proper setup..
I’ve got both. I prefer the classic vibe overall really nice guitar. The mustang style bridge on the cv is the much improved 52mm E to E string spacing to help avoid the high E slipping off the edge of the fretboard. I also prefer the tort pickguard (both are sunburst jags). Also I have the 70’s neck with blocks and binding on the CV. However, while I’ve set them both up as best I can (Stewmac shim, set of 10’s, filing nut slots, loctite on bridge, etc.. neither are as good as my Crafted in Japan 90’s jag. The neck on that is sublime.
I got my CV Jaguar last 2020. It sounds jangly than my Fender Am Pro Jaguar. For me, I can hear a more vintage sound from the CV. The VM’s Duncan designed sounds similar to American Pro’s Vmod pups. Thanks for this comparison Vid. Cheers!
By the way, the set up of the Squier is terrible when I got it. Rough fret wires, high action, had intonation issues.. but after I brought it to a guitar tech, problem solved.
One thing I really love about the oroginal Jaguar and Jazzmaster circuits, is that I can leave the almost all the way down/closed for the lead circuit/pickup, and the tone all the way up/open for the rhythm circuit/pickup, which you just cant get in Strats, Teles, etc.
Own the cv, gonna get a vm tomorrow! Just to have as a back up/have a different sounding jag!
Terrific vid! In the sound comparison I am hearing more versatility in the Vintage Modified through my headphones. The CV seems to have clarity, but the differences between pickups are much less noticeable. I like the tones you’re getting from the VM better! More variety and a larger palette to play around with especially recording wise... That’s my super subjective opinion! 👍
Thanks for the feedback man! I guess that's why tone shootouts are so useful, everyone has their own tastes! Personally we preferred the CV pickups, but only slightly.. the VM ended up being chosen to do our version of 'how soon is now' so clearly we liked them too haha.
I preferred the VM neck, but the bridge on the CV.
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@@wilsonguitars2724 thats because hearing is one the 5 senses taste touch /feal sight and sound and smell everyones senses are differnt some like taste liver some dont some like the lights dim some like them bright or off some like difernt sounds of music some dont like at all some like smell of paint some dont
@@joemom1012excellent analogy. Ewww liver! My mom used to make it when I was younger and it smelled great (i didnt know it was liver till I tasted it) I immediately disliked it and was upset she tried to pull a fast one on me! It has a strange taste. It certainly cannot pass for any other cut of beef but that due to the metallic nature of its flavor and function. But my Pomeranian LOVED IT! 😂 He came much later though and my roommate worked at a restaurant and would bring some home just for him! RIP Charlie Bean 🪦.
Excellent review! I've had a couple of VM Jags in the past but have since moved then on. While I'm not a block inlay fan, I'm thinking about getting the black CV Jag. I tend to prefer the chunkier VM necks, but I'll get along fine with the CV's slightly slimmer neck.
Thanks! :) I'm not sure if ours was an anomaly, but i'm sure the CV actually seems like a thicker profile to me.
@@wilsonguitars2724 Oh! Fantastic to hear! I bought a CV Mustang neck to replace my VM Mustang neck (only because of a headstock match, um, mismatch) but the CV neck was way slimmer and unfortunately, the heel screw holes did not align with the VM Mustang body. I'll have to use the CV Mustang neck for a future project (with extra heel screw hole included...whoops).
I purchased the squier classic vibe with dot inlays. Yea, the nut was cut too high and I had fret buzz on the high B and E strings in the upper frets.
Since I purchased mine from guitar center, it was fixed in a few hours and was free since it classifies as a warranty issue. 😁👏👏👏
This is why you don’t buy musical instruments, amps, pedals, clothes, shoes, and cars online. If you can’t try that exact thing out before you buy it, you are setting yourself up for failure.
Or you buy online if you know what you are doing and don't have to see a guitar tech just to adjust intonation. You can always return a real dog.
I've just acquired one of these built in jun 2021, and it seems the quality control issues seem to have been resolved. And was playable out of the box, Still needed a setup though. (which guitars don't.) but the nut is cut a lot better than what you've reported. Also I do recommend getting the neck shimmed, so there is a bit of pitch back to increase the break angle.
may I ask what website you got it from, cause I'm about to buy one as well
Vintage Modified has medium jumbo frets vs narrow-tall frets on the Classic Vibe.
Thanks a lot!
I knew I heard how soon is now in the background
Wellsir! I bo't a 2nd hand CV 70's a month ago so of course I'm going to say it's best. I have many guitars. Among them, this Squier ranks as one of the more expensive because I refuse to pay more for the "not better" stuff. I luv this CV 70's but I warn you - the neck is as skinny as an anorexic Robin's ankle! I'm not bothered by that but that is the most notable feature of this one. Some folks don't like that. It is pleasing to look at with a wide variety of tonal options. Low action. Thanks for the video. Both of your guitars are magnificent, I say take whichever one is your preferred colour and done.
Looking at the ressitance (K-Ohm) and the way they are wound, I think the pick ups on both guitars are very simelar. Both use Alnico 5 rod magnets. From my perspective, Squier just dropped the "Duncan Designed" scripts. Wire is the same, ressistance, construction of these is identical. although taking the different bridges, Nut, Basswood vs. Poplar in the equasion, the differences in sound may lie there.The problem with both pick up sets lies in the way they are wound, if you look at the windings, they look a bit messy, when compared to higher end pick ups. You often see quiet loose winds on the Squier pick ups (both Duncan and Fender designed) So imho both sets are on par with eachother. And the Duncan Designed does not really compare with the actual Seymour Duncan "SJAG1" (VIntage for Jaguar) where de Duncan Designed neck pick up is most likely based on nor does the bridge compare to the SJAG2 (Hot for Jaguar) Simelar output. But looking at the price point of both the VM and CV Jaguar, the stock pickups are quiet good. Although the same. I personally favour the CV, the upgraded bridge and the neck are the wins on this one. Although, the tuners on the VM are of better quality. But imho both VM and CV are the best Jag's availble looking at what you get for the price you pay. A few upgrades gets these pretty close to their much more expensive brethren....
I prefer the Indonesia made Jaguar. I wish it had the bigger inlays. Those square/rectangle inlays look beautiful.
You can buy some block inlays decals for cheap and add to it
I scored a vintage modified and a classic vibe bridge best of both worlds.
not to toot my own horn too much, but i own and adore my olympic white 2012 squier vm jaguar. i like to think i have a collector’s item on my hands as this was the first traditional-modeled jag that squier manufactured, which is 50 years later after fender released the jaguar in 1962. the only tweak i felt i wanted to do was replace the bridge.
I do like the improvements that the cv line has, and wouldn’t mind getting one eventually, but what i find alarming is that it seems like almost everyone who buys a new cv jag says that out of the box you have to file the nut, shim the neck, and possibly file some frets. This is supposed to be highest-end squier here. Hopefully fender quality control is taking note of all these reports i’m seeing and will iron out these issues in the next year or so and when they do i’ll go ahead and buy a cv jag.
Yeah, the way ours arrived out of the factory was appalling. Totally unplayable! After some sorting it's a very nice guitar indeed, but so is the VM! Thanks for your feedback
I just bought the SquierFSR CV Jaguar- the first one had such bad frets that I had to take it back. The shop replaced it but the second one buzzed and had a very high nut, making a barre F unplayable. I had it sorted by a tech, but the sound is thin and scratchy with no sustain. I’m a Squier CV fan, I have Chinese built Strats and Teles that are well put together, but the Singapore production is careless and very disappointing
5:15 that was a cool lick. I dunno if it was from a song but it sounds cool.
I bought a Classic Vibe about a month ago. It also needed serious work to get it playable. The action was super high and there was grit between the head stock and the body that caused a visible gap. It took a shim to get the neck angle correct and the nut needed adjustment. It plays well now though. Just know you will need a good set-up on these guitars when bought new.
Yeah, that really shouldn't be the case. Especially from such a reputable brand as fender. Thanks for the feedback btw! Did you opt for an angled shim?
@@wilsonguitars2724 I did the old business card trick and that worked. These guitars really need a set up.
I used to do that till I repaired a few that'd been shimmed like that for a while. The neck sometimes bows at the very end creating a "ski-slope" if you will. I think an angled shim is a great investment in time 😃
Fender quality control went downhill a long time, almost every guitar bought from them needs to be reworked.
Terrible QC. It’s a great guitar but I’m already staring to get it worked on. I got it at GC so I could get the Daphne Blue. Maybe Guitar Center will reset it for free. As for playability, the Mustang bridge fixes almost all the string skipping issues. I hit it hard with 48-10 and the string stays where it supposed to. I did have to raise the bridge.
I hear a lot more "twang" on the VM one which IMO is what makes a Jaguar a Jaguar, not a Jazzmaster lite.
I definitely heard more twang too, but I'm not a fan of twang. Lol
I have a VM. I prefer the neck pup tho on the VM & bridge pup on the CV.
Classic Vibe has more low end warmth. I think that could be compensated with EQ or compression.
I was all ready to commit to the VM…til now. The greater clarity and bite in the CV will swing it, I think.
Another point for the 70s for me is proper jaguar knobs, not the smaller push one plastics the VM has. I'd prefer rosewood but it's not a deal breaker to me. Definitely think the 70s is a better guitar for me.
The CV has more sustain than the VM - perhaps due to the bone nut. That sounds like an advantage. And while that might be what you actually prefer - it does make the CV sound less like a "true" Jaguar than the VM.
Thanks for the feedback! Starting to believe the bridge is having an effect on sustain too. If you listen to the shootout in the latest vid with the jazzmasters, I'm hearing a definite lack of sustain again in the vintage modified. So one of us is right haha
The nut is only relevant when playing open strings so probably not
Great shootout comparison ❕
Cheers! If you haven't checked out the jazzmaster vid, it's very similar!
I had the Vintage Modified for a week or two until I discovered that the bridge was out of line with the fretboard! I didn't notice at first because of the way the strings were positioned on the threaded barrel saddles but if you replaced the bridge with a Mustang bridge the high E string would be off the fretboard, it was that bad. One of the worst guitars I ever owned. I dumped it just as fast as I could and got a MIM '60s Lacquer Jaguar instead and it was vast improvement over the Vintage Modified. And once I heard the pickups in the MIM it made me realize how un-authentic the Duncan Designed sounded.
Maybe fender made the CV with a high cut nut and other stuff to cut down the price but after everything is setup correctly it’s probably as good as a fender Jaguar
since squier went to Indonesia there has been issues its strange how the vm's which were also Indonesia sems to be better made, check out the new teles where the ferrules in the back are always out of line with each the old versions never had that it must be a different factory they are made now, plus I cant stick the Laurel fretboards the old vms had rosewood as doid the china cvs, but still at the higher price point for a squier this is not good enough. I had ordered a silver sparkle jaguar but when it arrived the fretboard looked horrendous so I returned it straight away however I have seen some the look acceptable.
What‘s 8.93 oz in normal measurement (kg)
I like the squier off sets
whilst CV sounds rounder here its largely due to setup.
My VM jag has been a frustrating beast since i got it.
finally sussed out its foibles after much time and effort.
Original bridge...(yes..the rattly old things that drop to bits) still in mine...as it is in my old jazzmaster...tried mustang bridges...bloody rubbish...tone killers.
put a set of 12s on jag...the vibrato screw is a vital part of setup here...as it alters percieved tension and therefore resonance.
Also..it seems the wisdom of many to lower pickups on them...i found the opposite to be better...having them raised gives the vm a much fuller sound..less sterile...this also makes the strangle switch and the vol and tone knobs more usable....i can make mine sound like the CV...but can a CV sound like a VM?..doubt it.
Another thing i found on mine was the soldering...whilst it looked neat it wasnt done right...dry joint on 56k resistor...resoldered it and it made a hell of a difference...as did grounding the vibrato plate....(pop it out ...drill hole at angle into control cavity..stick a wire in..no solder needed..wire can go under screws on vibrato plate and under control plate.
Why they werent checked or done properly in first place is matter for another discussion.
Mine now plays like a dream...had a CIJ yrs ago...and an old 60s one as a youth (should have kept that one!...fabulous guitar)
So before spending money on pickups etc....get to know the ones youve got...theyre fine if adjusted right ...as for sustain...raising pickups....using 12s....setting vibrato spring tension right a jag will sustain quite well...folks say you cant play blues on them.....i say COBBLERS
a properly set up jag will do any style you want...from tele twang to jazz...to surf...punk...blues...whatever you can play ...(did I just create a new genre there....surfpunk blues?)
Skol
Wulf
u r the boss
My friend got a new cv jaguar bridge pickup mesure 5.7k neck 6.2k.... strange
ya i’ve tested some out with super weak pickups. i actually just ordered a vintage modified due to medium jumbo frets, and a rosewood board. i also prefer the white pickguard, and i’m a seymour duncan fan. pretty stoked to receive it. only $300 bucks shipped too. comes with a Fender import MIJ trem arm as well.
Is that the smiths in the background
Its a cover I did using the VM! czcams.com/video/rCC7OB8E78o/video.html
2:58
3:14
self use xd
hmm for me, the old version of pickups from the classic vibe series for a strat (made in china) are better than the newer ones (made in indonesia)
and i see the same exact change in tone going from squier vm jaguar to cv jaguar, but for some reason, I think prefer the newer model for jaguars
EXCELLLENT video, extremely to the point differences. In 8 minutes I learned the same thing after 3 days in shit forums. Although your tone, on both guitars, is absolutely terrible. Sounds like you just did a direct into a DAW and did basically nothing after that.
It should be noted poplar was occasionally used on vintage fenders. The VM sounds more like a fender jaguar to my ears, it has a thinner and brighter sound. The classic vibe sounder hotter.
That's why I don't modify. The sound is so close.
Just got a CV with manufacture date of 2022, it did need a basic set-up, especially when changing to 10g strings, but happy to see no major problems or need for a neck pocket shim as noted in many reviews.
0:21 music title please
It's How Soon Is Now by The Smiths, but this version is a cover he made
CV EVERY time
I have had the same experience with Squiers across the line- HORRIBLE "set up" out of the box. I have several "budget guitars" (well under $200) that came with vastly better set ups. Thanks for the video....I'm going to pass on the Jag.
Playing starts at 3:00. (Sorry, I'm "that guy") 😉
Fender jaguar 100%
Still would get vintage modified. Rosewood fretboard all the way.
Can you tell the difference ? I doubt 99% of us can
Not a comment on your playing, but tone-wise there is nothing pleasing in the sound of either of those guitars. They sound shrill and ice- picky. It isn't an aggressive sound, such as is possible with a Tele, just obnoxious.
I suggest, if you haven't already, you try 11 or 12 gauge flatwound strings on them.
Here's the real secret trick... replace the neck pickup wit a RWRP lipstick pickup they fit perfectly in the stock hole and I promise u that pickup swap will make your jaguar exactly what u think it should be
I like the sound of the neck. What effect does the RWRP pickup have?
Not fender