8bitdo Ultimate Xbox Hall Effect Review
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Hey everyone, this is my review of the 8bitdo ultimate xbox with hall effect sticks. As always any questions and your experiences please leave in the comments, thanks.
00:00 Intro - Price & box contents
00:18 Body & Design
01:03 Xinput & my latency test
03:26 On board controls
05:06 Software overview
09:30 Face buttons
10:16 Triggers & Bumpers
11:26 Back buttons
12:05 Physical thumbsticks
13:31 Thumbsticks performance
21:20 Final thoughts
#8bitdo #halleffect #procontroller #xbox - Hry
Thank you for such a detailed test of the resolution of sticks. This is a really interesting and useful method.
Hey you are most welcome bro, this all came about coz of dead-0-zone, Trudypounds on Reddit
Great review. I think I'm sticking with the Gamesir G7 SE for the time being, but it's really good to see more Hall effect options coming to the market.
Thanks bro! Same here, G7se for my hand size feels better and until 1000hz is still there, it’ll be my go to as well.
@@thephototechybrother i follow you since you dropped the gamesir g7 videos. Just wanted to ask your preferences on the app settings. Do you think raw is better for fps like Fortnite? Also, i ordered the swappable joystick from your video, tho I'm not sure what's the difference between the xbox and this new joysticks after calibrating. Maybe you could make a video on your settings 🦔🤙🏻🙏🏻❤️ if conditions are favorable 🙇🏻♂️
Yesss I was waiting this review after seeing your video of dynamic curve on Gamesir G7SE
G7 Se is still better than this right? even with the normal pulling rate
@@Krypterium Idk buddy I don't have this controller, but the g7se is excellent and have a good price.
Absolutely love this controller. I just wish I could use any of the variations on the PS5.
I wouldn’t say it’s the best for “competitive” games but for everything else, specially if you want a smaller/lighter controller, it’s a very comfortable well built controller.
Hey yes, definitely a solid one for its build quality and specially that price point.
Are you ever gonna do a review on the ultimate type C? I was thinking of buying it when it release later this month. I already have the G7SE.
Great review! I was using the standard Ultimate for Xbox prior to switching to the Gamesir G7 SE. I think I'm going to grab one of these as I really like the extra width in its form factor and the feel of its back buttons. Very interesting that you can re-calibrate the centre-point of the sticks if needed. I'm also pretty tempted to grab the Wired Pro 2 with Hall Effect sticks as well, as that's another favourite of mine for certain games.
Hey bro thanks! Yeah I really want to try the wired pro 2 too, I think using the bumpers for aim and shoot on that one will be a great option.
I personally missed the opportunity of trying the original xbox one, I think I saw the fixed wire and didn’t get it, now I think I missed out on it.
I do hope 8bit give more software options for aim output as I do believe this one is definitely a contender against the G7se, also if and when the 1000hz is completely gone from Xbox, this one might even be a better option compared to G7se, as I do believe in 250hz this one feels more responsive for sure.
@@thephototechy Yeah the fixed wire is annoying, it's great they changed that. The 1000hz situation with the G7se is really disappointing. I'm still using it currently but I feel a bit paranoid that Xbox is going to suddenly flag my account, viewing the 1000hz as tampering. I'm probably going to switch back to 250hz mode just to be safe. Keep up the great work bro!
@@pixelatedpigeon4617 thanks bro! Now I’m paranoid as well about the 1000hz 😂
@@thephototechy I know it's late, but would you suggest getting this or the G7se when we take everything, including the 1000hz into account?
@@devlinsiantama1162 hey bro with 1000hz still present, G7se for sure, even with this one’s very impressive response I’d personally still chose the SE. But imagine if 1000hz is forcefully removed from Xbox, then for aiming this will have G7se beat.
I might get a new controller, I have a g7 se but I wanted a wireless controller. 8bitdo ultimate bluetooth controller or the Gamesir t4 cyclone pro. Which is better? Also is the 8bitdo bluetooth one have the same performance of the thumsticks compared to the one you are reviewing in the video here?
Even had 2 back buttons
That's awesome
I only missing a high stick but i had 2 pair of purple galaxy kf
Hey good to hear from you bro! honestly xbox just keep getting new hall effect controllers, I just hope we get one with 4 back buttons and true 0 deadzones soon.
@@thephototechy im always here bro ❤️
Always watching what you upload just not make a comment every time
I will buy a fusion pro 3 or a gamesir g7 se if it's avaible in my country or a thrustmaster eswap xr, elites sucks, drift and weird stick with big deadzones, done with this shit
pretty nice info man,no other channel talk abt 👍🏻
plz review the 8bitdo Pro 2 for xbox too ,thx in advanced
Hey bro I’m already eyeing that one as well, it’s showing July 31st release here in Uk
@@thephototechy
the 8Bitdo Pro 2 is released 3 years old i guess ,right?
UPDATE : i just watch a new updated version of it😲 with Hall Effect and detachable cable
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@@Krypterium hey yes that’s the one I want to review 👍
@@thephototechy
nice ,thx
actually i read some comments on amazon abt this new one and they have issues with stick drift after like 3 months or so , maybe this time the hall effect in this updated controller is defective ? dunno .im thinking to buy the regular version that comes with no hall effect and i also hope that u test it,thank u
The Ultimate software isn't recognizing or detecting my controller on windows 11. how did you get it to work or remove the dead zones?
Great Video. Maby next Nacon Revolution X Green Forest?
I got this too along with my old g7 se, with this 8bit do the audio output via 3.5mm is really hollow and flat :( can you confirm this with your unit? Audio is flat, idk how to describe it.
To me it feels chunky to hold and I can't get used to the PlayStation style bumper and triggers. :(
Nice video thanks for reviewing ☺️
good bro, you are the best!
Hey bro thanks for all the support!
Nice review❤
Hey thanks bro, really appreciate all the support!
Hey phototechy, have you thought about creating a discord server for product review suggestions and better community support?
Hey man yes it’s definitely something I need to look into, as I’m taking this channel seriously and getting a gaming pc to increase the content as well.
Just bought one of these this morning after watching your review. Thanks for putting this together.
Hey you are most welcome bro! would be amazing to get a quick reaction of your experience as well, specially if you fee something off with the aim
Fried. Should have got G7 SE
@@thephototechy I've had the controller for a few days now. It was a quick transition coming from a stock xbox controller. I found the sticks to be a bit more sensitive at first but I quickly got use it to it. I much prefer the tension of these sticks over the stock xbox controller but the back buttons are very hard to get use to for me. I hit them in gunfights regularly so I haven't been using them. My only complaint is the vibration is much louder than the stock controller.
Can you test the circularity of the thumbstick when you pressing down on it cause i have read an article on reddit that it has a weird shape
Hey I just ran a test on it, and when you press down, the stick registers more movement than it should, resulting in a more pronounced square shape, which is typical when there's no outer dead zone. Thankfully, my unit doesn't exhibit any irregular shapes. The higher circularity error numbers are to be expected in this scenario, as without outer dead zones, the stick axes naturally form a square shape. Pressing down simply accentuates this square shape, rather than the hybrid shape you'd get with a physical thumbstick gate stopping the stick earlier than when pressed in.
Are you planning on doing a review on the Gulikit KK3? On paper it seems like the best controller (Xbox Layout)
Hey once I’m on a gaming pc, there are so many controllers I need to try and I’m sure the best ever controller will be one of them which’ll tick all the boxes for fps games.
I tried the Gulikit KK3 Max controller and wasn't happy with it.. Ii had way to many buildquality issues.. After just a few weeks of use It had developed a RB button squaking very loudy, a left trigger wtih a ticking spring and worst of all a left stick that was not moving smooth anymore when pushing forward with some bump in it when going left & right.. I sent Gulikit an e-mail asking for a replacement and never got an answer, so I refunded it on Amazon.. After that I bought the 8Bido Ultimate 2.4Ghz with hall effect sticks (basically the non-licensed Xbox version as seen in this video).. So far so good after a week of use (PC gaming), no issues.. I liked the shape of the Gulikit a bit more (more like official Xbox) but the 8Bitdo is nice aswell and the software and charging dock it comes with is very nice and easy to use.. I also read a lot more people have issues with the KK3 Max, so yeah in short you can buy one and see if you get lucky not having issues with it, otherwise the 8Bitdo is a very good (probably much more reliable) alternative imho.. Also 30 euro/dollar cheaper (50 vs 80 bucks)..
@@inflatable2 just bought Flydigi Apex 4 Best controller I have ever owned built quality S tier
@@edysoncolllado1190 Yeah I'm sure that's also good from what I've seen and read about it, but it's way more expensive and I do not need all those features.. I also prefer the more basic cleaner look of the 8Bitdo (same for the Gulikit)..
What is the difference between this and the one that is on pre-order right now that has RGB rings around the sticks? I was thinking about picking one up these up to replace my original Xbox Series S/X controller that got stick drift. I see your version has back buttons on it (P1/P2), i don't know if the one that has RGB rings for $35 has those though. I just wanna get a controller that won't break after 4 months.
Hey bro, so you are correct the rgb ring one doesn’t have any back buttons, so it’ll be a solid option for anyone who don’t need them. There is another option which has wireless support on pc and wired on Xbox, that one is more expensive but has extra features such as micro switches in bumpers and Dpad, not sure what ABXY buttons have. The controller is definitely one of really good options for wired on Xbox regardless of its price point. Just be mindful of the stick output which I do believe will be ok coming from standard Xbox controller.
I don't play FPS with controller, but for reactive 3rd person games like DMC and Nioh 2 this looks excellent, it is cheaper then the G7SE by 23 euro in my country so seems good for my use.
Hey phototechy
Can you tell me if this controller will develop drift as quick as my g7se did,ik u mentioned that the g7se has weaker springs in the sticks and I was wondering if this controllers sticks would wear out as quick
Thanks
Hey bro this one is using the same Ksilver JH16 modules as the G7se. What we don't know if Ksilver has options of different spring strength for their modues like C&K ones in Eswap does. My guess these will be the same as the G7se.
@thephototechy oh alright,I hope that in the future HE pads will have better quality springs because I LOVE playing with 0 dead zone on all games as it feels very responsive and I usually play more competitive fast paced games,so the fact that my g7se developed drift so quick kinda bummed me out but ig it's OK
Thanks for the reply😊
I really like the designs of 8bitdo controllers, would have gotten it if this controller came out earlier. Currently using GameSir T4 Kaleid, it's funny to think that Gulikit and GameSir may have forced 8bitdo to up their game by introducing HAL effect sticks on their controllers.
I think the switch version that’s been out for a while has always had them
Also i want to say that I recommend you test controllers on apex legends too. Because besides having now Gamesir a dynamic curve, Idk If is a bug or what but after Season 3 reloaded, the responsive curve linear or dynamic on MW3 feels worse, the problem is more noticeable on linear settings.
So try the controller also on apex is a good idea.
The problem on MW3 could be related to deadzone too maybe not only response curve.
When you shoot straight there is not problem, but when the enemy strafe left and right or you shooting straifing the aiming feels off.
I recommend you try it on the shooting zone with WSP 9 is more noticeable.
Try shooting strafing and you will see that you can't track the bot when he is moving. It feels like a large deadzone.
Obviously if you have high sense is less noticeable but the problem still there.
Sorry for the long comment
Btw i use 0 deadzone always
Hey bro so MW3 season 3 reloaded is giving me many issues as well, a lot log animations are not working for me and at times the gun doesn’t even ads properly. AR seems to be working ok for me but I’ll check the the WSP in firing range for sure
With 1000hz activated on the G7SEs, how would you rate these over those?
Thanks for the review!
Hey bro with the 1000hz on G7se personally I’d pick that over this, but if we take the 1000hz out then this one for sure is more responsive. Arguably the ergonomics will play a part as well, as I had to adjust my grip a bit to use this one effectively, G7se just feels more comfortable to me personally, but the opposite could be the case for some depending on hand size.
@@thephototechy Thank you! No reason for me to deactivate the 1000hz so I will keep my G7 then for now.
hello my friend ,i hope u also review the 8Bitdo Pro 2 ( hall effect version or the regular )xbox controller
thx in advanced 🙏🏻
Hey bro yes I actually want to add that in my collection, it’ll be a good PlayStation style controller for Xbox. Currently it’s showing July 31st release here in UK.
@@thephototechy ok man thx
are the all effects sticks worth it? the regular one is on sale for cheaper in my area
Hey I never tried the older version and can’t say if it’s using higher quality favorunion or alps sticks, If that’s the case then yes it’s definitely worth it at a lower price. If it’s using the cheap favorunion sticks used by the cheaper PowerA and PDP controllers then getting the Hall effect sticks is the way for sure, coz those cheap sticks don’t last like the higher alps ones.
Is there a video on the channel teaching how to overclock the 8bitdo without hall effect?
Hey I haven’t used that one, this is my first 8bitdo controller.
Do Xbox KF’s fit this controller or do you need PS ones like you do on Gamesir models?
Edit: apologies, just got to the point where you talk about that! Disregard.
Hey I actually used both Xbox and PlayStation ones on it and personally preferred the Xbox ones, even though they were a little bit tight to get on, they felt way more secure
Good review, in your opinion, what would be the best Xbox controller today?
Honestly it feels like none of the licensed Xbox controllers are perfect. EswapX ticks most boxes for me but can have serious issues with stick modules, then we have third party modified Xbox controllers and they can be an amazing option but I do feel other controllers outperform standard Xbox controller. The title for a perfect controller I believe would be suitable for some unlicensed controllers like Apex4, rainbow 2 pro, vaider 3 pro, or a dualsense modified controller overclocked to 1000hz on pc with 4 back buttons.
There are some controllers that come very close like the stealth ultra, but then really let down by forced minimum and axial deadzones 🤦🏽♂️
@@thephototechyis it possible to use the apex 4 or rainbow pro 2 on Xbox?
@@jamesfarmer2642 I’ve seen comments where people have mentioned that it is, but haven’t tried it myself.
Would you put this high up on the list? Sounds too good to be true, 8bitdo did their thing
The controller exceptional in responsiveness, a trait already synonymous with Xbox third party controllers. However, the stick output poses a slight mystery, which might not appeal to everyone. Still for those transitioning from a standard series controller, this could represent a substantial performance upgrade.
Congrats for the video, concise and thorough. The missed the opportunity to put 4 rear paddles/buttons or even better, 6 total shoulder/trigger buttons plus 2 back buttons. Also this video proves that hall effect can get stick drift, and how 8bitdo has implemented a well developed function to recalibrate, I have like how it is implemented a lot.
Bro I’d have taken 2 extra shoulder buttons and trigger stops. Not sure what’s going on and why no one is taking a chance to make a truly ultimate 4 extra button controller. It’s like there is some market research which makes companies avoid making one and opt for only 2 extra buttons.
@@thephototechy For me the company focusing on hall effect controller that provides the betther consistency in quality (for the price they put) is Gamesir, I have 4 T4 Kaleid and 1 G7 SE, and all behave perfect. The company that innovates more in my opinon is Flydigi, but their quality is very inconsistent (and one youtuber girl, Russian If I don´t recall wrongly, opened one of them on camera and showed their low quality work with the soldering, and said other controllers from Flydigi she had seen had the same crappy soldering work), I love Flydigi's sw suite, their habitily to remap buttons to keys on the keyboard, etc... This 8bitdo looks like a good improvement over the previous hall effect controller, which I did not like at all. About sw suites, I love what the Alpakka Controller guys are doing, they are implementing the habilty to program, long press, quick press twice, and normal press, and remap each to any key of the keyboard, I would love any of the chinese makers would copy that, very close to the miriad of options Steam Input gives you.
About the not perfect linearity of the graph 17:55, I guess you are moving the stick in only one axis, so the reading are taken from only one the x or y sensor on the stick. If you could isolate reading only the movement of the motor you are using to move the stick, you could see if the motor movement is absolutely linear, and filter out that from your readings on the controller stick.
if the readings on the movement of the motor movement are aboslutely linear over the time that movement is happening, and the readings of the movement of the stick over time, due to the movement induced by the motor are still not totally linear, you can infer, that the non linearity is beacuse of something inside the controller, and continue from there.
Do you use twitter, this in my handle: twitter.com/fonewn
I dont use instragram
hall effect cant get stick drift, only centering spring wearing out
@@stevensv4864What is the strick drift that is not centering spring wearing out? Is there any other type of cause for stick drift?
@@thephototechyIt seems that youtube has shadowbanned my reply to your comment. It shows in my account, only the begiggning. Too long to post it again. Greetings.
Hi I'm sorry but I don't understand the "linear input part". I was really enjoying the 8BitDo Ultimate Wired (I believe first generation as it does not have hall effect sticks), but unfortunetly my right stick now has drift.
From my understanding this would be a pretty good controller for me considering I really liked the one I currently have and just dont want stick drift? I really don't care about programable buttons and wired is preffered for battery cost, not for latency.
Thanks!
It appears that this controller exhibits a distinct algorithm for stick inputs compared to other hall effect controllers. The responsiveness of the controller is impressive, but the unfiltered raw output might be contributing to this behavior
Hey man i have problem unrelated to the video the left stick of my g7 se just swaped with my dpad, so the dpad acts like a joystick , and the joystick acts like a dpad and idk how to fix it
Hey there is an option in nexus in the sticks page where it allows you to swap Dpad with left stick
Omg im so dumb i enable it by accident thank u so much man
@@kaidd1x you are most welcome bro!
Bought a 8bitdo a few years ago, aim never felt good on first person shooters, i liked the feel but sometimes it hurt my hands
Hey thanks for sharing bro, I’ve never had an 8bitdo controller before. I do get what you mean with the aim. You find controllers feel so different to each other at times, but thankfully with different aim settings available in game, I’ve been able to use them effectively. At times I do wonder what would I prefer if I could only have one controller and what sort of output would be best for me. It’s something I’ll make a video on once I’ve tried some gaming pc controllers as well.
Is it more suitable for small hands than an Xbox controller? Is it closer to an PS controller?
AND, all your test is on XBOX ?
Hey so the grips are smaller than series controller and this can definitely make it more appealing for smaller hands use. I’ve only used the dualsense as never had a ps4, compared to dualsense this feels smaller to me.
Hey yes currently I can only game on seriesx and PS5.
@@thephototechy thanks for everything
did u use hidusb to overclock the controller?
Hey yes but response time stays at 3. Something
@@thephototechy even wireless and wired?
@@monfrezo this one isn’t wireless, that’s a different model
How about 3.5mm audio?
The sound quality of the basic Xbox pad was clean
Gamesrig7se audio was heavily white noise. How about this product?
So do you buy it?
which Controller is good for fps Games on Xbox Series x? i have g7se But I want a new one. Which one is the Best After g7se? Elite 2 or Which one ?
Bro honestly depends how you use it, for me personally I mainly use G7se and EswapX on my seriesx, both have their advantage and disadvantages and both are not perfect. If EswapX with its aiming algorithm output gets a Hall effect module released by thrustmaster, then I’m certain it can be my main controller.
@@thephototechy do you use the eswap x pro or which one do you prefer?
@@thephototechy eswap x pro 2, eswap x pro or eswap s ?
@@Troynex EswapS is also a good one, but I’d say 4 back buttons are better than 2, otherwise I’d just use the G7se. X2 should be preferred over the older one, I’m thinking of getting it for myself
@@thephototechy Are the sticks better and more Like ps5 than on Elite 2?
Fam, if possible can you review the 8bitdo pro 2(the new version with hall effect for the xbox) ? I recently I bought an Xbox Series X, and I have try my best to get familiar with the xbox gamepad after years of being a playstation user, but I can't get comfortable with it. And its messing a lot with my gameplay on COD not being able to play claw without the ps4 controller. And I recently find out that the 8bitdo pro 2 is pretty much like a playstation controller for xbox, but I don't know if it can be good for FPS games or just is for retro games.
Hey bro I’m definitely looking at that one. I have a feeling it should exactly be like this one in performance and only the layout and shell seat is different. That one, BFG and EswapX are the only ones that I know with PlayStation layout, but out of all three I think the 8bit is probably the best ergonomically.
Hall effect sticks should be standard for all pads
I think we’ll get there pretty soon, but I do believe we need a good software implementation as well. Thrustmaster is in a prime position to release HE modules for their Eswap controllers, as those have some interesting customisation options. It wouldn’t surprise me that there’s probably something going on in the back ground which is delaying the HE roll out, as I’ve noticed we haven’t seen a licensed Xbox controller with Gulikit sticks.
What game did u test ?
Hey so the day I got ti we had the Xdefiant server test going live, first day was on that and then cod mw3.
hey they advertise this 1000hz inst it?
Hey bro so this one is definitely locked to 250hz in my experience, it might be the new unreleased one which is a tri mode xbox controller that could be the 1000hz, but thats currently showing release of 31st juy here in UK.
G7 SE is still best but the 8bit comes very close in my opinion.
I do hope we get to keep the 1000hz, coz at 250 this one definitely is more responsive, but G7se does have a more linear output than this.
No wireless options. Hell they have one that’s wireless for everything but Xbox.
Xbox/Microsoft won't lend their wireless technology to 3rd parties because it's proprietary. Simple as that.
Off rip, I don't know why this controller even exists. This controller and it's price compared to the GameSir G7 SE makes this controller look like a joke, because it is. It has at least 4 less features than the G7 at almost the same exact price.
So I have a theory that 8bit and Gamesir are not competing with each other, instead competing with turtlebeach, PDP & PowerA. Both 8bit and Gamesir are from Hongkong and both have managed to get a license from Xbox, which for that part of the work is not a small thing. To me it feels both have decided to cater to different players and their products feel like that. Let’s see what the T4 for Xbox from Gamesir will be like, it wouldn’t surprise me when both 8bit and Gamesir release a 4 back button controller close to each other.
@@thephototechy a 4 paddles version of the G7 SE, maybe even PC bind programmable, so all binds can be custom, is all I want.
trigger stops :(
I know bro, we are still waiting for a licensed Xbox controller that’s affordable with back buttons, Hall effect sticks and trigger stops. The only one is snakebyte gamepd pro but it’s priced nearly double of this one.