Project CARS 2 - Is This A Better Alternative To The Halo?
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- The 1.4 update was released recently for PC2 which FINALLY fixed the VR issues I was having. What better way to celebrate than by jumping in one of the fastest cars in the game, complete with halo alternative!
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i know this video is old but i still feel like the halo is more safe, and recently we have seen a demonstration of the importance of the cast-titanium rod in the centre column - if f1 cars had windscreens instead of halos then Grosjean might not be here with us today
What? He is not here with me right now
For me the aereoscreen is better than halo but halo is fantastic xbox game so...
I'd always prefer playing Halo over an aeroscreen
If you ask me, Muhammad Ali, in his prime, was much better than anti-lock brakes.
*halo was good
Chris Haye i just imagine muhammad ali hanging on to an f1 car and clutching the brake disks with his hands 😂😂😂
@@Law0fRevenge hope he knows by now, wat a halo is
Honestly halo or aeroscreen, doesn't matter seeing Jimmy fighting it in the rain tho' that is really impressive.
Excellent. More PC2 vids please Jimmer!
Fun Fact about the People manufacturing the Windscreen. They also make the Windscreens for Jets. Fighterpilots don't complain about their Windscreen makeing them feel sick, so they should overcome Vettel's complaints about his makeing him feel sick. Another thing is that the Indycars have a fixed Angle to which the one tested on a F1 Car previously had a CONTINUES one. Lots of testing to do.. but the FIA or Liberty Media already started with the HALO that they had a fixed Deadline to implement a Safety Device in 2018, and the Halo was the only Device out of several that was ready to be used.. basically, i'm sure the FIA is aware that the Halo isn't great, and they will most likely switch it against something else if enough testing has been done. We have a whole Year to overcome, we might have the Windscreen next year, so cross your Fingers.
Another perk of using a windshield would be reduced wind buffeting on the helmet.
Wind screen? BRAVO!
Now the drivers can go back to open face helmets, with the cool looking "bank robber" mask.
Thats not gonna happen
Yea they might as well go use the methanol gas too. Everyone loves a good invisible fire right?
Let's just load the rear wings full of TNT set to detonate at the slightest contact.
@@BoleDaPole
Uh....IndyCar uses ethanol gas, which can still burn invisibly.
@@truantray Indycar has contingencies to make it visible surely.. 🤔
Great video. I’ve had the Oculus rift for about a week now, just loving PC2 in VR.
Passing a little eletric current through the windshield expels droplets.
Mustavo Gaia Canadian nascar guys also have the option of either a wiper or a defroster for racing road courses in the rain
The windscreen looks better and has more visibility but what about safety, because that's the reason why the halo and the windscreen are gonna be introduced into Formula 1, 2 and 3
Seriously, for wet races with this screen they'd probably just coat the screen in RainX, I used that stuff on my E30 on Spa once, hadn't had to touch the wipers once in 2 hours of rain. Also yeah, I like the Formula X, insane car. :)
Indy just ran tests with a screen. It'll be interesting to see how it handles long term use.
👍 Do more pcars2 videos like this!
Halo's are in, grid Girls are out.
Solid Shepard and so am I, fuck F1 in 2018
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Neither matter
Drivers depend on the open cockpit for cooling during races. Putting a shield denies this effect...
The windscreen wasnt developed at all while the halo has been tested for a while. FIA needed some kinda safety measure so the halo was the only option. I doubt theyll keep the halo for next year
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This comment section aged like milk when you consider this weekend's accident
I've just found this on my recommended today... I only came for the comments regarding Grosjean's horrific crash.
The Formula X is like a modern day Champ Car
Hey Jimmer, I've got a challenge for you:
In dirt rally: drive a rwd group B car with diff lock set to the highest in monto carlo monaco
5:37 PCARS 2 does have the helmet visor rain drops effect but you have to you the camera angle that is inside the helmet
for the rain, they could use something like rain-x... works better than wiper in heavy rain!
Beambox yeah! And even in light rain, with the speed of the cars the rain can't possibly stay on the windshield.
After you see how the halo saved Grosjane you would change your mind
Hey Jimmy! I dare you to get into the world TOP10 times with this Fromula X in Monza... The thing it`s just insane! But insanely fun as well!
Hej Jimmy! Could you do a video driving in the snow in pcars 2?
Honestly, I like the shield/visor/windscreen/whatever. something did need to be done about head protection, and it dosent look bad tbh. there have been open wheel cars with windscreens in the past, CART for example, so this new one just looks like that idea fully realized.
Would love to see more videos of pc2 from you.. the weather and tyre models are great
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The thing is, this Formula X was designed to have an aeroscreen on it. Formula One cars were not designed to have Halo on it, unlike the Gen2 Formula E car, which I think actually looks better with Halo than without.
nice thing on this is 2018 F1 are being designed with the halo on it, like the Gen.2... i've already stocked on pop corn for all the "actually it does look alright" :)
Moribax85 What?! No, the 2018 F1 cars are not designed to have Halo on it at all. They need a huge overhaul to make the Halo look good.
they have to redesign the chassis to accomodate the halo, that means they have to redesign the entire look of the car
Moribax85 ... No, just no...
czcams.com/video/er71vu14PAI/video.html "we have to strenghten the design of the chassis" cit. in my book that means they have to redesign the chassis to strenghten them, because they have a weight limit that didn't change, so they have to reinforce the car and make it lighter at the same time, that means redesign...
The reason they didn’t go for the windscreen is because the lack of wind pushing the head back made the negative Gs under braking a bit too much for the neck
Is it just me or are the cars in PC2 with the higher rating on driving difficulty easier to drive, example, the formula X car?
You might have a point there, but ive always thought it was because i constantly played F1 games, so i was more used to high downforce cars.
I think it’s cause the tires are easier to keep warm in these cars, on Xbox some classes just can’t keep the tire warm, I run rain tires in gt4 cars when it’s cold cause soft slicks wont stay warm
It's beacuse of the downforce the road like car have way less
I have some Japanese stuff that coats your windscreen. Anything above 50mph and you don't need wipers. Rain just streams off your windscreen. Sure they will put something similar on the Indy cars.
Ugh why did I have to find you're channel, now I want that god damn $1000 pedal setup hahah it looks sooo nice.
the FX cars to this day are more fun to drive than the F12020 cars. the FX are just insane and brutal
Nice video. Hadn't even considered rain for the screen. Probably less of an issue in the dry American races than it would be in F1
Stuntman Daz You know Indy cars run in the rain right? Just not the oval races.
Ryan G yes?
maybe I'm weird, but I really like the way the halo looks on the formula e Gen 2 car, probably because of how much more futuristic it looks
Wish this series was real. These cars look sick. They look kind of like old Champ Cars, with a radically different rear wing of course.
These formula X cars are absolutely gorgeous! Please make them a reality.
Water builds up on the helmet visor as well, so no problems there.
Personally I like the halo , always have
I much prefer the windscreen approach, it worked before, and it will work again. That said, I do like the way that Formula E made the halo work as part of the overall design, whereas Formula 1 just makes it look like a bolted on safety feature.
The sleeker indycar makes the windscreen look that much better, I can see the aircraft inspiration. At least Indycar is trying to make it work instead of scrapping it after the first try.
"Formula 1 just makes it look like a bolted on safety feature." because it is :P
tbf they will probably look better by 2021 when the new regs come in, that's when all teams will be making their most radical car design changes.
Now that I got used to it, I think the halo looks pretty badass, to be honest.
Looks better but also failed all the fia crash tests. Fia tested couple of different aeroscreens and none worked. They even tried putting one into vettel's car knowing beforehand it would distort the view. If the windscreen idea worked f1 would have used it.
F1 wants something that can protect the driver from tires flying at you at 100mph. Halo does it, visor doesn't. Indycar wants protection from little bits flying at you 300kmh on ovals. Halo doesn't do that (some get through) but a visor does. The visor could be better for indycars but the halo is clearly better for f1. The visor obviously looks much better but if you want things put on the cars purely based on looks you may want to watch formula e instead.
Yes... because flying wheels is a HUGE problem in F1 right now.
Yeah it is not like we have had no close calls or deaths with loose wheels...
BankaiBullett Oh hi doge
It’s working well in Indycar :P
Did you not hear? They decided drivers should have to dodge flying tyres shot out by cannons when they're on the final straight. XD
this wimdsreen system has also been tested in f1. sebastian vettel reported that there are vison distortion due to the curvature of the screen
I was trying to message you to ask you to drive this Car! No joke lol I was going to donate on stream today to ask you. You just made my day :)
One of the problems of the system tested by some F1 cars was the distortion caused by the material (Tick material + high inclination), I don't think rain was a big problem (the helmet already have this problem).
The question is how well the screen would cope with a Wheel and hub hitting it, compared to the halo / wheel crash tests?
I just started playing racing sims and while waiting for my G29 to arrive in the mail I did a 6:22 Nordschleife lap in this car with an xbox controller!
Yeah so when I saw the halo I thought that it looked ugly, now in 2020 and in 2019 I think that it looks awesome. Plus it's much safer, well if an accident like Massa getting hit by a spring occured the halo wouldn't help, but the windscreen wouldn't help against a tire or a car flying into you, but when you think about it they could have halo and the windscreen, but I guess teams don't want extra weight even tho it would be safer and it made Vettel sick, but he just has to get used to it
Some formula one drivers say the windscreen warped their vision a little and made them nauseated
Garrett Uecker the screen used by indycar didn't cause this problem...
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Maybe they used different materials.
As I understand it, both the Halo and the Aeroscreen were pretty rushed, and the halo won out simply by doing what the FIA asked of it, when the deadline came up.
Who knows, maybe after they've had some time to work on the Aeroscreen, it'll replace the Halo in the future.
The Shield (as the FIA called it) was tested by Vettel and he came in after just one lap because he felt nauseated by all the distortions. The Indy version seems to be made by a company who has a lot of experience in making aerospace canopies so they would know a thing or two about glare and distortion.
The FIA wanted a cockpit solution in place for 2018. Making changes to the Shield would require more development and testing, so the FIA went with an ugly but proven solution, the Halo. I hope for 2019 they have a working screen.
The IndyCar aeroscreen has a fixed angle, the one tested by Vettel had a continual curve - that's what caused the refraction. PPG who are manufacturing it also manufacture F16 canopies, so it should overcome those difficulties.
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Well, we can only hope the manufacturers of the aeroscreen will keep at it, and perhaps we'll see on in 2019 or 2020 as a replacement of the Halo.
Uh-mazing great video
Someone needs to try out the new IndyCar 2018 aeroscreen they are using, it looks pretty nice.
Yes.
The Formula X is actually one of the better cars in PC2. Really wish they would go back to the Formula A and give it some of this love because while the Formula A feels super weird and nothing like any F1 car I've driven in any previous game, the Formula X is comparable to AMS in how just feels right.
I imagine a good application of RainX would really help with water dissipation.
indycar's curved chassis suits better for wind screen than f1's flat chassis
Vettel was supposed to say it wasn’t good as Ferrari was in favor of the halo. They never gave the windscreen a fair chance. Plus the one Ferrari had was a rushed prototype, half arsed finished the day before and shipped out to the track. It’s all politics and they needed an excuse that couldn’t be measured or checked in any way. Anyway, that’s my theory on it... Shame RedBull didn’t continue working on their 'aeroscreen'... we'll have to wait for when testing begins to see how the flipflops -i mean halo- will do...
that was the Shield Vettel tested not a wind/aeroscreen which is what Ricciardo tested
Fraking love the Formula X in PC2. I drive the piss out of it. Well... when I'm not in the Ford GT GTE car.
can we just speak on how sexy these cars are tho. f1 really need to do something very similar
Just so
I don't really think that you can simulate the distortion that a screens like these could have, along with any issues with aero, limited airflow to the driver, etc.
It was the reflections on the screen that was a concern a game isnt going to give a perfect example. But its not about how the cars look and thats all i see people complaining about the drivers safety should come way before the viewers or the look of the car so people should just get on with it at this point or just dont watch but it would be a pretty stupid reason to stop watching plus the Halos look much better now we are seeing them with the teams colours on
Reflections on one rushed prototype means an entire concept is to be thrown out?... if indycar can come out with a distortionless aeroscreen F1 can do it too.
The HALO has officially grown on me
“Oh my I feel so dizzy” said Sebastian Vettel and nobody else
For that or the Indy design they'd have to redesign the entire cars back to front.
So, I'm wondering how much the game has improved since launch, because I haven't played it since. Is it worth playing?
hell yeah
Does VR run smoothly? I have a few issues with AC especially when there are too many modded cars (specs: GTX 1060 6GB, i5 8400).
I'm thinking about selling my 1060 and buy another card when new gen is out, is this too risky? Don't really mind not playing for a month or two if I save 100€
Have you priced gpu's lately. No such thing as saving right now.
SABER-JOCKY
If I sell my GPU now and buy one when new generation is out aka when prices are expected to level down it should be a winning situation right? And the upcoming gen is supposed to be brutally good compared to the current one based on the Titan V analysis (speculations of course)
Yessssss
The aero screen only makes sense in Indycar which doesn't race in the wet. Frankly, I'm surprised F1 still races in the wet.
I much prefer this to the halo, if it was made with the same glass as a jet cockpit it would safer than the halo too
I think it's very unlikely the halo will make it into the 2019 season unless it confers some serious aero advantages over a screen. For rain put a wiper on it when swapping to rain tyres.
Kenneth Ord Or don't put a wiper on it. The cars are going on average above 150 mph for gods sake, the rain blows straight off
PanadaTM turn of your wipers ones on the high way you still can’t see a thing
The halo is fine. It disappears from the driver's view after just a few laps.
As far as I know the reason F1 didn't go with aero screen was because it failed the tyre impact test. Halo was the only device tested that passed.
And tire hit is most uncommon type of impact in todays F1...
Better to be safe than sorry, I really can't understand people getting pissed off about the FIA making the drivers just that extra bit safer in the cars, it's incredibly immature.
They are not safer. There is no flying wheels but small pieces that halo will deflect into driver and making exit time much longer.
Just because a driver acknowledges and accepts the risks when they get into the car doesn't mean we should become placid to them. A child doesn't want to see their hero die on the track.
As for the tyre thing, that's not the only risks that a Halo device prevents. Cars are increasingly commonly finding themselves upended (both Alonso and Weherlein found this out the hard way during the 2016/2017 seasons respectively) and cars even ending up on top of each other (Alonso and Grosjean in 2012, and Schumacher and Liuzzi in Abu Dhabi 2010, where Michael was inches away from getting decapitated by a Force India).
This sport has, time and time again, proven that complacency takes lives. Complacency by Williams killed Senna in 1994, Complacency by both the Race Officials and Jules himself killed Bianchi just a few years ago.
Final thought, is "Safety Fucks" supposed to be an insult? Because it was a real bad one if so.
You guys make it sound like the FIA didn't do extensive research into if the halo would have a positive or negative effect, they looked at several incidents throughout open wheel racing history and found that the Halo would have a positive impact on all incidents.
Check out this video from a dude that is against the halo implementation for a breakdown of the research and findings, a lot of what's been said for and against halo is just conjecture...
czcams.com/video/6w5WZoKEKoE/video.html
The aeroscreen couldn't takr a wheel at wtv speed, so... It was put out
Great vid, cheers Jimmy. This looks soooo much better. Lets hope they investigate further and come up with this for F1. Geez the Halo is so damn ugly .
Nice video, could you maybe try some other tracks rather than spa for the next vid please?
A windscreen won’t stop a car though like the halo was able to
zz z it still can’t stop a car dumbass
They do need to develop the aeroscreen. My one question, the bits of the aeroscreen to the left and right of the cockpit, is it necessary to have them? They really only look like they're going to get in the way of the drivers getting out
Hey Jimmy will we be seeing VEC races in VR very soon? It seems like every video you make is in VR except the VEC races...
We all knew the Halo would only last a season or two because the windscreen wasn't ready for F1 standards in 2018. The Halo WAS ready for the 2018 season.
That was a really fun video!
More of this car please!
Hold on, so the Formula X is "between F1 and Indycar"? I thought the Formula X in PC2 was basically a hypothetical "best car we could conceivably build with our current technology, pulling out all the safety stops etc" car. Basically that the FX was the car we all wish they'd build but probably never will due to regulations and all that. I'm fairly new to sim racing, but in my experience with PC2 so far, it seems the F1 (Formula A) is faster than the Indycars, but the FX is WAY faster than the F1. That beast goes 410kph or so with a good gearing setup. It seems to have heaps more power, and is an absolute monster on the track. I've played around on Spa Historic with the FX and WOW!! That's a crazy combination.
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It is amazing the lack of distortion caused by this screen!!.....oh wait, its a computer game
Le duh... the point of video is just to discuss the point since indycar just publicly tested their own kind of aeroscreen and it had no distortion, F1 aeroscreen only had distortion because it was an early prototype that focused more on structural design than the whole package including usability.
I saw the real video, no distortion, no
Great Jimmy thanks
Rain isn't the only issue. They have rip offs on the Visors for reason.
Would like to see the size of the tear off for the alternative halo
What should've been done is to implement the Halo in 2019 rather than '18 to give constructors more time to blend it into their cars
Hopefully yes!
I don’t mind the aero screen, the halo is awful
how do you feel about the halo know?
Luciano Morano Still prefer the aero screen
Halo is still awful looking looks like a giant slipper attached to the car
@@scjking2213 look at it this way. the first wing on an f1 car looked horrible and now they look amazing. somehow over time the halo will look better.
@@lucianomorano3394 but it does look good with the 2022 cars that I'll admit
How did you get to 350kph? Mine keeps redlining at 300 in 6th gear.
Just realised your outro is Running in the 90's...
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Didn’t Ferrari test a screen with Vettel, and he said the warping made him feel sick or something? Rain without a wiper would be a problem as well. I’ll always be against Halo but what it really comes down to is the racing. If we have a 2010 like season in terms of competition then people will find it easier to stomach
From another comment above:
"The IndyCar aeroscreen has a fixed angle, the one tested by Vettel had a continual curve - that's what caused the refraction. PPG who are manufacturing it also manufacture F16 canopies, so it should overcome those difficulties. "
So no, it's a different screen that shouldn't have those issues. Fighter pilots don't complain about their windscreen making them sick, and it's coming from the same place basically, lol.
Deathbrewer Jet canopies are way bigger this helps removing the warping effect I guess
Deathbrewer jet canopies are bigger and also you have to take in consideration that the fighter pilots are looking at things that are much further, meaning the come much slower, reducing the dizziness and nausea experienced.
"rain without a wiper"
Now I'm not exactly a militant halo hater, but you realise that ALL drivers have visors two inches in front of their eyes at all times don't you? If rain isn't a problem now it wouldn't be with the Aeroscreen
lilHamster97 Yes but they also have tear offs. The dirt, rain etc is hitting the visor, which they can remove. Can't do that on the fly with the screen, which would pick up the same if introduced. They're clever people though so I presume they'll find a way around it.
Yes yes and yes
You sound like Murray Walker!
awesome vid
3 years later*
Here’s a game to play with the Formula X: Spot the Radiator. It’s not an easy game.
Hey Jimmy/anyone willing to answer, I don't have this game now but I see and hear a lot of good about the latest patch. Is it worth a grab now? How about the online player base?
I liked this video the first time when David Land did it.
My formula x car doesnt go faster than 310 kmph does anyone know why and how i fix it?
Inb4 the #BanLibertyMedia #NoHalo #WheresMuhGridGrils fans.
metalmike04 no seriously why attack the grid girls? Time could be spent elsewhere productively.
sameer mohideen because they add nothing to the sport. Instead kids who look up to these drivers now have a chance to live out a dream. I don't need a scantily clad lady to tell me that Ricciardo is in car #3. Those ladies will be fine, most are models who have many gigs and that's just one.
Do you want to tell me why we need them or where "time could be better spent"?
metalmike04 F1 is supposed to be the Pinnacle of Engineering, with the best of the best drivers and one of the most glamorous sports on the planet. Taking the girls away takes some of the glamour away. The Halo was an inevitable decision so it’s fine. But this was just another way for girls to get into modelling. Becoming a model isn’t easy and many girls have gotten into it by being promotional girls. So we have essentially just banned the girls right to choose whether they want to be a grid girl or not. Nothing else has been done by removing grid girls. Grid kids are a grey area.
Maybe you don’t know about the extremely competitive nature of the modelling industry. Sometimes these girls need all the jobs they can get in order to make things work and get more jobs. All we have done is taken another way for them to legitimately earn money away from them
sameer mohideen I get your point but I don't really think that working an f1 race is most of these girls' big breaks. I could certrainly be wrong as that's simply speculation. Too me it's a meaningless issue and makes zero difference to anyone whose not extremely desperate for eye candy.
metalmike04 it is many girl's big break/ is a great source of income. There is a grid girl with a twitter account where she expresses her opinion, ill try to find it again
Edit: Rebecca cooper
Does this VR have convergence? I.e. Depth like a 3D projector?