A few things wrong. 1) Battery life is 3-4 hours in demanding games, not the 2-3 hours Lon TV claims. 2) Installing XTU & enabling high performance in the power options will give you far better performance and more consistent frame rate than the Nintendo Switch. Case in point: DOOM (Switch version runs at 432p sub 30fps with frame pacing) (GPD Win 2 version runs at 500p 30+ FPS) 3) The GPD Win 2 is NOT more expensive than the Nintendo Switch when you factor in the games/software. Like Stephanie has said, games on Steam, Humble Bundle & Fanatical have higher discounts than the Nintendo e-shop. Sometimes Steam and other stores offer games for FREE. Backwards compatibility also saves PC gamers a tremendous amount of money, not having to repurchase games multiple times just to play on different and newer hardware is pro consumer & helps game preservation. Consoles like the PS4 and the Nintendo Switch don't have this feature and probably won't for their future consoles.
+ Switch ports look way worse then Pc low - mid settings ... & what most important is that Switch game library have only 3-5 real AAA games - when on GPD you can play basically any game from last 30 years ....
The thing about the Switch is that physical games hold their value very well, I could probably sell many of them for about what I paid for them. Also games on the Switch are heavily optimised to work on a small form factor unlike devices like this.
can be can be - if you have it for business not for gaming ) & especially if we will consider that there is no game comparing to real AAA Games for GPD - So you want to tell me that games from last 30 years + Emulators Ps-1-2 Gamecube Wii - Psp All retro consoles you can play on Gpd VS Switch - where exclusives are Mario galaxy & Zelda ? That Dam Logical )
Switch runs Doom at 432p at the.most Demanding segments, Doom gameplay on the GPD Win 2 shows the first level most of the time, while that 432p is at a larger fight in a later level
I bought one on indiegogo and I love the thing. I can play kingdom hearts 2 final mix plus on a hand held. I do school work on this so I don't have to pull out my laptop. Like the switch and the Wii u I don't have to give up my tv. You can optimize the game yourself. I waited years for something like this. Great review.
Pricing aside, I actually liked the inward joystick placement in the previous model. It was quite comfortable for my hands. I'd honestly get this over the Switch any day considering I can play games outside of Nintendo's library and use it as a regular computer.
I don't know what's with big channels like this and LTT, supposedly technology professionals not know a little something called optimization. It's actually kinda infuriating as most of the people's first impression on this is gonna be it cant even run Pac-Man. I bet they just downloaded the first link they saw on Dolphin website and ran it with default settings. I can run Mario Galaxy 1+2 perfectly 60fps locked at 720p. In fact pretty much 100% of the Wii game can run at full speed at 1x resolution and 90% can run at 720p upscaled. Mario Galaxy czcams.com/video/Mw-Ojo5jRTM/video.html With a little modding i can get GTA 5 locked at 30fps (45unlocked) It can even run certain Wii U games. Just so you know Shantae can already run at 60fps locked on the first Win if you do something magical: go in the in-game setting and change the graphic settings. And I know this thing is not cheap, but comparing to the same spec m3 surface pro without the keyboard or anything, its still more expensive than this.
Im 100% sure they do but you dont review the product for the masses after messing with it. You review it as is right out of the box, a large majority arnt gonna mess with mods.
I have ordered a Win 2, but am not familiar with what sort of options one would take for game specific optimization. Do you mind telling me or pointing me to resources so I can understand how to optimize games I'll be playing?
This is a silly argument because every pc can be optimized in the manner you described. Its not something specific only to the GPD win 2 that should be included in its review as a selling point. The reason he leaves it out isnt because he doesnt know that it can be optimized, it is for the same reason he leaves it out from all his other laptop/mini-pc reviews, because its not a default user experience relevant to all consumers. I like the GPD Win too but there is no reason his review has to cater specifically for your relevant fanboy satisfaction.
You can run Street Fighter V at 60 fps, but you need to lower the resolution to about 544p. And keep the internal resolution at 50. This is a device where you need to know how to tweak things to make them run. If you cant do that, then this device isn't for you. This is no different than any other low spec pc. If you are uneducated on how to make these tweaks and dont want to take the time to learn how to figure them out, invest in an actual gaming laptop or rig where you dont have to make as many. But again, you'll still have to take the time to install the drivers and make a few basic optimizations to get things to run better. That just comes with the territory of PC gaming. As for linux, if you know how to tweak things, you can fix the orientation and get the touch screen working. And if someone is going out of the way to install Linux, chances are they are a more advanced PC user anyways and can figure out how to do this.
@@christianr.5868 The game resolution is at about 544p but the application window itself is still stretched to be 720p. You're just lowering the resolution of the game without changing the resolution of that the OS is displaying at.
I have a lot of steam games. A lot of them are indie titles and a lot of them haven't even been played yet. I thought about getting a switch but I'd rather have something portable that I can play the titles I already own on. This looked like a solid option from the thumbnail but then I heard the price.
That what I was thinking the whole time. I think he only wants to do the basic setup since good amount of users will just do that. For example, Mario Galaxy has been shown to run at full speed. Not to mention a lot of PS2 games run at full speed as well. Oh well.
This is incredible. Too expensive for me but I like that this is possible. I used to use an HP Palmtop PC 200 LX back in the 90s. It ran DOS and was quite capable for the day. Good review.
Nice review. I would argue that it would be MORE expensive going the Switch route since the games get discounted at a higher percentage on Steam. So while the Switch is the cheaper machine if you add up long term the higher prices you will pay for games it's going to cost you more. Also a lot of us have a few hundred games in our Steam libraries already, so other than the investment in hardware there isn't much else you need to purchase to get started.
That's still a tough sell for me. For all the console exclusives I'd care about (most are titles I already played on Wii U), I can get those and a Switch for under the price of what they're asking. And that's what separates the two devices- their exclusives. It's going to be a while before Switch emulators catch up and I'm still not sure a GPD Win 2 will be able to run that at a decent speed once the emulators are there. I still want a GPD Win 2, but I'm not made of money to invest in one.
And you are correct. There is not just the steam and gog sales factor. But also regional pricing. Some games on steam will be as much as 70% cheaper compared to buying on the switch depending what country you are from.
Stephanie McKeon this is exactly the reasoning I made to purchase the gpd win 2. Haven't touched my switch since and getting through my pc backlog. Add in the ability to emulate so many systems, its expensive, sure, but it is a gaming beast
Stephanie McKeon I’m looking into the gpd win 3 if it ever comes out and future Nintendo switch because I love the switch and I want to play my steam library on the go
I think the price is pretty fair although for $700 I think it should have at least a 240gb ssd. I look at it as this has the same processor as a macbook but costs $700 to $800 when a 12 inch macbook costs $1300 to $1500 so seems about right.
You can call it overpriced as soon as you tell me a cheaper device that can run Super Mario Sunshine and can fit in my pocket (not talking to you Lon, just saying in general)
Hey Lon, I've been a sub of yours for maybe a year now, I really enjoy your honest, to the point, in depth and educated reviews. Especially the fact you're not a shill like many other tech channels are. Anyway I know it's late to comment, but were you aware GPD quietly announced a slight upgrade to the Win 2 with a slightly better processor, cooling, and speakers? It's the same price and all come with a 256 GB storage. I believe the older win 2's are being phased out. It would be cool if you could get your hands on one. I'm seriously looking at picking one up any day now. My question to you though is, did you tweak or overclock the Win 2 to get Gamecube running at full speed? It looks amazing you can get that running full speed on that little device.
I paid 599 and I think mine is worth every penny. I have beat so far FF12 and Doom 2016. Also I dont think you have your settings set right for the emulation. So far I have gotten every emulator including ps2 and dolphin running at full speed. This includes Mario Galaxy and burn out. I look for youtube videos for the game I want to run on my GPD Win 2 and lot of times the people will post in the comments their emulator settings that got the game to run at full speed. Also in the bios I set my Win 2 to allow the graphics to consume full power when on the battery and I set my TDP to 7W. My favorite thing do is I can play Ark on the go with a mobil hot spot.
Rick Smith yes, not single player ark but online. I used it when my electricity went out to get on ark. I also use a mobil hotspot amd I can play on the go. I need to create a video and post it on CZcams of me playing ark on it.
If you are willing to play with the power settings you can get a lot more performance out of the device. In most cases it can outperform the Switch too.
I play GTA5 on the GPD WIN 1 with 30 frames (superr low pc mod)and you want to tell me on WIN 2 its not working......it can not be true. Spend a bit time with this device and make a Review again!!
A good review, BUT I'll just say that anyone looking to buy one really should do much more research on games as other users have been able to run various better than what Lon was getting. Some require heavy tweaking, some require very little if any tweaking at all. Also his claim that gaming on a Swiitch would give you a more consistent experience, that really varies from game to game. For example, Shining Resonance Refrain on Swiitch runs at 30 FPS with dips below while also not looking all that great. On the Win 2, it runs near flawlessly at max settings. It does sometimes dip below 60 FPS, but always stays above 30. No tweaks nor optimizations whatsoever and even with slight dips it doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever.
The lack of AC wifi is disappointing, especially for use cases such as in home game streaming. A review of the wifi capabilities would be interesting. As always a great video. Thank you, Ryan
Streaming works great right next to your router but not in the next room. Of course, this is also the case with my laptop that does support ac, so maybe my stock verizon router just sucks.
Lon can you test GeForce now cloud gaming on this device the program is in beta and I know you partner with Nvidia a lot and mabey you can get a beta code and try it
I agree I own gpdwin2 and if you know how to overclock it and turn on high performance I can run all the games I play much better than switch does and have my full steam library to game from
@@patrickcallanta1551 absolutely, I play fortnite at 720p with low settings but view distance @ far. which for the size of the screen looks really good closer to looking like 1080. All 720p I've played fortnite @ 30-40 average fps Gta 5 @ 30 fps Doom @30-40 All borderlands games @ 60 fps Newest wolfenstein @45 fps It's much more powerful than the switch if you know the basics of overclocking. I played most these games @11watts with the CPU and gpu undervolted with temps only hitting a constant 78 degrees. (Perfectly safe) for a mobile device. These "professionals" reviewing this device obviously don't know what they are doing its ridiculous its much better than what they are suggesting. You just have to tweak it for some games
Lots of arguing going on. It's a niche product, it suits the niche perfectly fine. You don't have to want it, but there's people like myself who are happy with the purchase.
They should really think about just using onscreen keyboard and use that space for better placement of analogs and bottons. That might even leave room for the analogclick.
So reading through the comments it sound like the biggest problem people have with the WIN2 is its price. And while the WIN2 is highpriced, it is not overpriced. Yes $700 does seem a bit much for handheld system. But we cannot forget that this system is a handheld GAMING PC. Gaming PCs already have an average pricing of $700-$1000 along with high end computers going for $2000-$4000. So in truth it on the cheaper end in terms of PCs. "But the Switch is cheaper overall". I own a Switch, just bought it ,and enjoy it. I have no bias against this system. So with that said, the Switch is only cheaper in initial purchase of the system by itself. The Switch has a library of big title physical games that range from $50-$60. Steams are notoriously cheaper on average. For example I have 49 games in my steam library. 44 are games I bought this year so far, 23 of which are installed on my WIN1. Meanwhile on my Switch I only have LoZ:Breath of the Wild and don't anticipate my Switch library growing outside of buying a game per 1-2 months. Just something to think about when calling these systems "overpriced".
The GPD Win 2 does not compare to a 700-1000 dollar PC, my PC was a pre-built bought for 1000 dollars a little bit over two years ago and it can not compare, the GPD Win 2 has a hard time running GTA V at the lowest settings on 540p and will eventually stutter due to running out of RAM, whilst I can play on High with a bit of Medium 1080p for 40-60fps
Hi i have a question about arkham city when i run it thru steam it dose not install gives me a windows error 8x000...etc error for some reason my gpd win 2 dose not even update after a 100 percent it restores back to the old one. Please help!...i bought arkham city online for 20 bux. It tells me to update features but when i do it tells me your previous updates are being installed..
If I have a gdp win 1..is it worth upgrading to a gdp win 2? Are the buttons flimsy..I mean if you play a lot they might break in a short period of time?
donspew I wouldn't say a whole lot of gaming more like casual gaming I think if it was priced at $600 that'd be more fair or keep it at $700 to $750 but with at least a 240gb ssd instead and have ac WiFi then $750 would be fair
Lol .... So u call GTA 5 - Doom - Crysis 1-3 - CoD - Dirt rally - So as Witcher 3 casual gaming ? & Yes totally agree with price - Since you can play games from last 30 years in your pocket ...
I wouldn't say extremely overpriced more like mildly overpriced because when you consider it, they had to fit a touchscreen, keyboard, the joysticks and other gaming buttons, switchable modes, RUNS WINDOWS 10, and all the ports in such a small form factor. It's a small pc with everything a normal windows computer can do all of this builds up
I wish the stick on the right was swapped with the ABYZ keys, my midget fingers might not reach. I wish I knew someone who had this so I could see if it's comfortable enough. Might need to wait for the GDP XD 3, since I am mainly interested in emulation anyway.
Good review of the device yes this device is not for everyone, i have one for its versatibility and for indie game yes the nintendo switch can have those games but with steam i can synch save data between my device.
Can't speak to Owlboy or Gungeon but Ori runs at 60fps locked at 576p, some dips if you go for 720p when the particle effects swell up. I assume Gungeon would also be a perfect 60 at 720p but I haven't installed it yet.
I really like your channel. I spend my time watching youtube. I want to buy a used pc from the amazon. Wath do you recommend:hp spectre x360 15 4k. Lenovo 910 4k. Toshiba satellite radius 15 4k. Lenovo thinkpad x1 yoga 2nd gen ? Tank you.
That's what I believed when buying the GPD pocket, which is more suitable as the keyboard is better. The reality is that the keyboard is still too cramped to be really better than a phone (I make a lot of mistakes and my hand get tireed after a bit) and the screen is so small that it gives me a headache after a while. For travelling the Surface go makes more sense at a similar price (actually cheaper for the 8GB ram and 128 SSD variant). Windows is still usable at 10" rather that at 6 or 7 and the keyboard is too (slightly cramped but miles aways from these pocketable devices)
Go check GPD Pocket 2, it is due in October. Currently you can preorder it on their indiegogo page at $609 for 8GB RAM model, and $529 for 4GB version. Has a bigger keyboard, full metal body and is way thinner than GPD Win 2.
They 100% need to ditch the physical keyboard and put a virtual one in.. well all use one on our phones and then they have a billion more options... DS/3DS emulator for example.
yeah no other device can run some of the games I want other than this one, where else am I going to play nfsu2 and thug2 and overlord or heck most games are not going to come out for the switch that came out prior, I haven't even used my switch enough because of the lack of games it has over my steam library
I sorry but ... Review is bad ... If you will check gameplay from youtube you can literary any game today ...Like Gta 5 - Doom - wolfenstein 2 - All Cod - Bf - Crysis so as games from last 30 years - & yes you can play Witcher 3 - just type Witcher 3 gpd win 2 ... & Sure you can play loot of games from GameCube PS2 Ps1 - PSP + Specs here are nearly the same as Macbook 13 pro from -2015 1300 us or like Dell Xps so yes price is fair ... + youtube - gpd win 2 102 games
The thing is Lon tried all things in default configurations. He didn't tune the OS, the games, the emulator or the hardware. Otherwise he would have found out that all PS2 and Wii games can run on it. Same for 3DS and even most of the games on WiiU. Having that in context. Lon did OK.
Here's the thing ... you don't need to tune Os or bios to play games like Crysis Doom or Cod - Bf - FarCry 3 - 4 & so on ... all of these games are more the playble in +- mid to hight or Low setting with 30-60 fps ... ( most of new games on consoles running in 30 fps so as switch does if we will take doom or wolfenstein 2 witch look way worse then Gpd version - standart PC... So instead of showing some real games... we see Indie games witch can be played on microwave ... & nothig was mention about tunig Gpd in terms of OS or Bios ... witch is really important cause if you will do it can run Witcher 3 in 25-30 fps with little tweek but it runs & looks great & especially for this screen ... So yes Imho this review is Bad because nothing real was mentioned ... Why do I need to spent 700 us for playing Idie games or emulator according to this video?
I get your frustration. I really do. I am on the GPD WIN train. But LON's channel profile is not geared for gaming. I would agree it was a bad review if that was the case. I am also not saying it was a good review. Just an OK one for him. Best review on GPD hardware continues to be the one from ThePhawx among others with a more solid PC gaming background.
Avatar x - also to Lon TV - Look ...I did huge research on Gpd I know ThePhawx & that why I'm getting frustrated ... Cause there not enough good reviews today about gpd all we have is some low quality opinions but with good publicity who literally stops progress in tech industry only because they are some times to lazy to make research ... It's quite important topic & Im not speaking only about gpd .... Lon TV - you have responsibility to bring right Information & aspecialy if you consider your self as a tech blogger its not only about your experience ...
For gamig device price is to much. For games better go for nintendo switch. Used windows in display size like this... lets go back to price! Sorry to much
Wait. What? How much? How do they justify that price? 00:30 price. Not sure I'd call this an alternative to the Switch ( at 5:46 into the video). The switch is a little over $330. This device is double that. IMO the switch looks like more fun. I would say the alternative to this device would be the Nintendo switch.
Lol .... So u call GTA 5 - Doom - Crysis 1-3 - CoD - Dirt rally casual - So as Witcher 3 + games from last 30 years in your pocket ...? & wait can you tell me amount of games on Switch like AAA ones ?)
Like what do mean ?) check youtube & amount of people who plays way more games that I mentioned & LIke what do you mean again if we will conceder Switch existence?lol
Yeah, but you can only shove it up your arse with it's 15'' or 17'' display, instead shoving into your pocket. If you are looking for performance, get a desktop. If you want to play through your steam/gog backlog on the go, get this one. If you want neither, get a chromebook.
A few things wrong.
1) Battery life is 3-4 hours in demanding games, not the 2-3 hours Lon TV claims.
2) Installing XTU & enabling high performance in the power options will give you far better performance and more consistent frame rate than the Nintendo Switch. Case in point: DOOM (Switch version runs at 432p sub 30fps with frame pacing) (GPD Win 2 version runs at 500p 30+ FPS)
3) The GPD Win 2 is NOT more expensive than the Nintendo Switch when you factor in the games/software. Like Stephanie has said, games on Steam, Humble Bundle & Fanatical have higher discounts than the Nintendo e-shop. Sometimes Steam and other stores offer games for FREE. Backwards compatibility also saves PC gamers a tremendous amount of money, not having to repurchase games multiple times just to play on different and newer hardware is pro consumer & helps game preservation. Consoles like the PS4 and the Nintendo Switch don't have this feature and probably won't for their future consoles.
+ Switch ports look way worse then Pc low - mid settings ... & what most important is that Switch game library have only 3-5 real AAA games - when on GPD you can play basically any game from last 30 years ....
The thing about the Switch is that physical games hold their value very well, I could probably sell many of them for about what I paid for them. Also games on the Switch are heavily optimised to work on a small form factor unlike devices like this.
can be can be - if you have it for business not for gaming ) & especially if we will consider that there is no game comparing to real AAA Games for GPD - So you want to tell me that games from last 30 years + Emulators Ps-1-2 Gamecube Wii - Psp All retro consoles you can play on Gpd VS Switch - where exclusives are Mario galaxy & Zelda ? That Dam Logical )
Lon Alma They run at higher frame rates. Which to most people is more important.
Switch runs Doom at 432p at the.most Demanding segments, Doom gameplay on the GPD Win 2 shows the first level most of the time, while that 432p is at a larger fight in a later level
I bought one on indiegogo and I love the thing. I can play kingdom hearts 2 final mix plus on a hand held. I do school work on this so I don't have to pull out my laptop. Like the switch and the Wii u I don't have to give up my tv. You can optimize the game yourself. I waited years for something like this. Great review.
Pricing aside, I actually liked the inward joystick placement in the previous model. It was quite comfortable for my hands. I'd honestly get this over the Switch any day considering I can play games outside of Nintendo's library and use it as a regular computer.
I don't know what's with big channels like this and LTT, supposedly technology professionals not know a little something called optimization. It's actually kinda infuriating as most of the people's first impression on this is gonna be it cant even run Pac-Man.
I bet they just downloaded the first link they saw on Dolphin website and ran it with default settings. I can run Mario Galaxy 1+2 perfectly 60fps locked at 720p. In fact pretty much 100% of the Wii game can run at full speed at 1x resolution and 90% can run at 720p upscaled.
Mario Galaxy
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With a little modding i can get GTA 5 locked at 30fps (45unlocked)
It can even run certain Wii U games.
Just so you know Shantae can already run at 60fps locked on the first Win if you do something magical: go in the in-game setting and change the graphic settings.
And I know this thing is not cheap, but comparing to the same spec m3 surface pro without the keyboard or anything, its still more expensive than this.
1000% agree
Im 100% sure they do but you dont review the product for the masses after messing with it. You review it as is right out of the box, a large majority arnt gonna mess with mods.
I have ordered a Win 2, but am not familiar with what sort of options one would take for game specific optimization. Do you mind telling me or pointing me to resources so I can understand how to optimize games I'll be playing?
Thanks man
This is a silly argument because every pc can be optimized in the manner you described. Its not something specific only to the GPD win 2 that should be included in its review as a selling point.
The reason he leaves it out isnt because he doesnt know that it can be optimized, it is for the same reason he leaves it out from all his other laptop/mini-pc reviews, because its not a default user experience relevant to all consumers. I like the GPD Win too but there is no reason his review has to cater specifically for your relevant fanboy satisfaction.
You can run Street Fighter V at 60 fps, but you need to lower the resolution to about 544p. And keep the internal resolution at 50. This is a device where you need to know how to tweak things to make them run. If you cant do that, then this device isn't for you. This is no different than any other low spec pc. If you are uneducated on how to make these tweaks and dont want to take the time to learn how to figure them out, invest in an actual gaming laptop or rig where you dont have to make as many. But again, you'll still have to take the time to install the drivers and make a few basic optimizations to get things to run better. That just comes with the territory of PC gaming.
As for linux, if you know how to tweak things, you can fix the orientation and get the touch screen working. And if someone is going out of the way to install Linux, chances are they are a more advanced PC user anyways and can figure out how to do this.
Zombie Gadget what does it mean when you have the internal resolution at 50? Does that mean it’s 50% of 544p?
@@christianr.5868 The game resolution is at about 544p but the application window itself is still stretched to be 720p. You're just lowering the resolution of the game without changing the resolution of that the OS is displaying at.
I have a lot of steam games. A lot of them are indie titles and a lot of them haven't even been played yet. I thought about getting a switch but I'd rather have something portable that I can play the titles I already own on. This looked like a solid option from the thumbnail but then I heard the price.
The GPD Win 1 is cheaper and will still run a lot of indie games and even some last gen AAA titles too.
go for it ) do no about win 1 but 2 runs basically anything ... if you will tweek it )
So can gpd win 2 can it run anything
Most of the game actually can run much more faster FPS, if u tweak & update a bit.
That what I was thinking the whole time. I think he only wants to do the basic setup since good amount of users will just do that. For example, Mario Galaxy has been shown to run at full speed. Not to mention a lot of PS2 games run at full speed as well. Oh well.
This is incredible. Too expensive for me but I like that this is possible. I used to use an HP Palmtop PC 200 LX back in the 90s. It ran DOS and was quite capable for the day. Good review.
have you seen the GPD MicroPC? it's not gaming oriented but it's a lot cheaper and roughly the same size
damn i still use a 200 lx
Nice review. I would argue that it would be MORE expensive going the Switch route since the games get discounted at a higher percentage on Steam. So while the Switch is the cheaper machine if you add up long term the higher prices you will pay for games it's going to cost you more. Also a lot of us have a few hundred games in our Steam libraries already, so other than the investment in hardware there isn't much else you need to purchase to get started.
That's still a tough sell for me. For all the console exclusives I'd care about (most are titles I already played on Wii U), I can get those and a Switch for under the price of what they're asking. And that's what separates the two devices- their exclusives. It's going to be a while before Switch emulators catch up and I'm still not sure a GPD Win 2 will be able to run that at a decent speed once the emulators are there. I still want a GPD Win 2, but I'm not made of money to invest in one.
And you are correct. There is not just the steam and gog sales factor. But also regional pricing. Some games on steam will be as much as 70% cheaper compared to buying on the switch depending what country you are from.
Stephanie McKeon this is exactly the reasoning I made to purchase the gpd win 2.
Haven't touched my switch since and getting through my pc backlog.
Add in the ability to emulate so many systems, its expensive, sure, but it is a gaming beast
YES this guy is biased
Stephanie McKeon I’m looking into the gpd win 3 if it ever comes out and future Nintendo switch because I love the switch and I want to play my steam library on the go
to solve the throttle issue: Disable DPTF is bios :)
I think the price is pretty fair although for $700 I think it should have at least a 240gb ssd. I look at it as this has the same processor as a macbook but costs $700 to $800 when a 12 inch macbook costs $1300 to $1500 so seems about right.
Yes people also forget it's a PC with so many functions not a console with just 1 hdmi and 2 USB ports
@@Lolkork YES people dont see that
Please don’t compare to Mac just compare it to something else you’ll look more smart
You can call it overpriced as soon as you tell me a cheaper device that can run Super Mario Sunshine and can fit in my pocket (not talking to you Lon, just saying in general)
Any smartphone with a snapdragon 845
Bizzare yeah, too bad none of those have physical controls, so it's still a no
Maybe one day a hacked Switch will be able to do that.
a smartphone running the SD845 and a bluetooth controller like a MOGA Pro Power. So yeah.
I own a Moga Pro Power... and it's not a good enough of a controller experience for me to consider replacing a USB controller with.
This one better than Surface Go plus Surface keyboard.. for almost same price like 680 to 700$
It's a fair product / price for those who want it. Seems a bit behind for me.
Something unique can be overpriced. 700 dollars is not a lot for that amazing toy. I would buy it if I had 700 euros laying around.
Hey Lon, I've been a sub of yours for maybe a year now, I really enjoy your honest, to the point, in depth and educated reviews. Especially the fact you're not a shill like many other tech channels are.
Anyway I know it's late to comment, but were you aware GPD quietly announced a slight upgrade to the Win 2 with a slightly better processor, cooling, and speakers? It's the same price and all come with a 256 GB storage. I believe the older win 2's are being phased out. It would be cool if you could get your hands on one. I'm seriously looking at picking one up any day now.
My question to you though is, did you tweak or overclock the Win 2 to get Gamecube running at full speed? It looks amazing you can get that running full speed on that little device.
Nice review as always. Thank you Lon. 😎👍🏼
I paid 599 and I think mine is worth every penny. I have beat so far FF12 and Doom 2016.
Also I dont think you have your settings set right for the emulation. So far I have gotten every emulator including ps2 and dolphin running at full speed. This includes Mario Galaxy and burn out. I look for youtube videos for the game I want to run on my GPD Win 2 and lot of times the people will post in the comments their emulator settings that got the game to run at full speed.
Also in the bios I set my Win 2 to allow the graphics to consume full power when on the battery and I set my TDP to 7W.
My favorite thing do is I can play Ark on the go with a mobil hot spot.
Jon McFarland it can play ark?
Rick Smith yes, not single player ark but online. I used it when my electricity went out to get on ark. I also use a mobil hotspot amd I can play on the go. I need to create a video and post it on CZcams of me playing ark on it.
If you are willing to play with the power settings you can get a lot more performance out of the device.
In most cases it can outperform the Switch too.
Did you change channel man?? Anyway nice review u earn another sub
are you playing on low settings? i get 60fps on skyrim with no dips (stock 720p)
Strong little machine :)
For 2 hours :(
Hey Lon! I just bought the GPD Win first gen from you lol
You did! We are in the process of resetting it hopefully it'll be ready to ship out tomorrow I'll keep you posted!
Kind of reminds me of a HP 95LX Handheld PDA 1MB ram that I had back in the day... but much more useful lol
I play GTA5 on the GPD WIN 1 with 30 frames (superr low pc mod)and you want to tell me on WIN 2 its not working......it can not be true. Spend a bit time with this device and make a Review again!!
A good review, BUT I'll just say that anyone looking to buy one really should do much more research on games as other users have been able to run various better than what Lon was getting. Some require heavy tweaking, some require very little if any tweaking at all.
Also his claim that gaming on a Swiitch would give you a more consistent experience, that really varies from game to game.
For example, Shining Resonance Refrain on Swiitch runs at 30 FPS with dips below while also not looking all that great. On the Win 2, it runs near flawlessly at max settings. It does sometimes dip below 60 FPS, but always stays above 30. No tweaks nor optimizations whatsoever and even with slight dips it doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever.
I believe I saw someone running Street Fighter V with a better performance. You just need to spend some time searching this kind of info.
The lack of AC wifi is disappointing, especially for use cases such as in home game streaming. A review of the wifi capabilities would be interesting. As always a great video. Thank you, Ryan
Streaming works great right next to your router but not in the next room. Of course, this is also the case with my laptop that does support ac, so maybe my stock verizon router just sucks.
Fortnite : pretty much all the review
Other games : 5 seconds each
gg
lapinus ikr!?!?
Lon can you test GeForce now cloud gaming on this device the program is in beta and I know you partner with Nvidia a lot and mabey you can get a beta code and try it
j H No one can get a beta code. They are sacred. I've been waiting for over a year.
MobileDecay I got mine beta code lol
I agree I own gpdwin2 and if you know how to overclock it and turn on high performance I can run all the games I play much better than switch does and have my full steam library to game from
Monty Whitehouse can you play gta v and fortnite on it good?
@@patrickcallanta1551 absolutely, I play fortnite at 720p with low settings but view distance @ far. which for the size of the screen looks really good closer to looking like 1080.
All 720p
I've played fortnite @ 30-40 average fps
Gta 5 @ 30 fps
Doom @30-40
All borderlands games @ 60 fps
Newest wolfenstein @45 fps
It's much more powerful than the switch if you know the basics of overclocking. I played most these games @11watts with the CPU and gpu undervolted with temps only hitting a constant 78 degrees. (Perfectly safe) for a mobile device. These "professionals" reviewing this device obviously don't know what they are doing its ridiculous its much better than what they are suggesting. You just have to tweak it for some games
Keep up the great work
When Vega on board graphics become cheaper,devices like this will be very appealing
Lots of arguing going on. It's a niche product, it suits the niche perfectly fine. You don't have to want it, but there's people like myself who are happy with the purchase.
They should really think about just using onscreen keyboard and use that space for better placement of analogs and bottons. That might even leave room for the analogclick.
How do you expect to use a on-screen keyboard when you are running a game in fullscreen ?
fair price,
if,.. I have the money...
Testing the PSP emulator would be cool. I'm usually curious how PPSSPP runs on portable devices like this too.
Can it perform like a laptop? For example, go online and stream videos?
So reading through the comments it sound like the biggest problem people have with the WIN2 is its price. And while the WIN2 is highpriced, it is not overpriced. Yes $700 does seem a bit much for handheld system. But we cannot forget that this system is a handheld GAMING PC. Gaming PCs already have an average pricing of $700-$1000 along with high end computers going for $2000-$4000. So in truth it on the cheaper end in terms of PCs. "But the Switch is cheaper overall". I own a Switch, just bought it ,and enjoy it. I have no bias against this system. So with that said, the Switch is only cheaper in initial purchase of the system by itself. The Switch has a library of big title physical games that range from $50-$60. Steams are notoriously cheaper on average. For example I have 49 games in my steam library. 44 are games I bought this year so far, 23 of which are installed on my WIN1. Meanwhile on my Switch I only have LoZ:Breath of the Wild and don't anticipate my Switch library growing outside of buying a game per 1-2 months. Just something to think about when calling these systems "overpriced".
The GPD Win 2 does not compare to a 700-1000 dollar PC, my PC was a pre-built bought for 1000 dollars a little bit over two years ago and it can not compare, the GPD Win 2 has a hard time running GTA V at the lowest settings on 540p and will eventually stutter due to running out of RAM, whilst I can play on High with a bit of Medium 1080p for 40-60fps
My 400 pound laptop has an i5 and can run all games better than this...
Btw the witcher 3 does run and GPD is not as heavily funded as Nintendo so its as surprise that the win2 is as good as it is
Hi i have a question about arkham city when i run it thru steam it dose not install gives me a windows error 8x000...etc error for some reason my gpd win 2 dose not even update after a 100 percent it restores back to the old one. Please help!...i bought arkham city online for 20 bux. It tells me to update features but when i do it tells me your previous updates are being installed..
Why don't these types of devices get made out of Aluminum? Yeah it might cost a bit more but the Thermals would benefit significantly !!
I'd like to see how it would compare to a Surface Go 8g in gaming performance...
This product needs competition. I cannot afford it right now. Is there any cheaper Chinese copy of it?
ROFL.....this is made by a Chinese company
bro, retrobrite those poor apple 2 machines in the background
If I have a gdp win 1..is it worth upgrading to a gdp win 2? Are the buttons flimsy..I mean if you play a lot they might break in a short period of time?
Alot better
There is a Steam GPD Win 2 curator that gives a decent list of what works and what doesn't. store.steampowered.com/curator/32113810/
Hi, I came from the future and this device is $200 , also there is a better PC gaming console made by Valve =)
“Game of the hour” nice
I'm just gonna wait until a stronger portable comes out
m3-7y30 vs i3-7100u - Impressive benchmarks. Also, the M3 uses a 1/3 the power of the i3.
700$ is absolutely fair. This device can do a whole lot a gaming computer can.
donspew I wouldn't say a whole lot of gaming more like casual gaming I think if it was priced at $600 that'd be more fair or keep it at $700 to $750 but with at least a 240gb ssd instead and have ac WiFi then $750 would be fair
Lol .... So u call GTA 5 - Doom - Crysis 1-3 - CoD - Dirt rally - So as Witcher 3 casual gaming ? & Yes totally agree with price - Since you can play games from last 30 years in your pocket ...
Yeah cuz running gta at 20 FPS is nice and modifying Witcher 3 until it looks like minecraft
unfortunate to see the orientation issue with ubuntu.
I wouldn't say extremely overpriced more like mildly overpriced because when you consider it, they had to fit a touchscreen, keyboard, the joysticks and other gaming buttons, switchable modes, RUNS WINDOWS 10, and all the ports in such a small form factor. It's a small pc with everything a normal windows computer can do all of this builds up
I wish the stick on the right was swapped with the ABYZ keys, my midget fingers might not reach. I wish I knew someone who had this so I could see if it's comfortable enough. Might need to wait for the GDP XD 3, since I am mainly interested in emulation anyway.
I'm playing fortnite GTA iv on gpd win 1 and haven't had any major battery problems I have the fan version better investment tho
What are some websites where I can download emulators and roms?
So u can download steam and download all games without streaming? Isn't gta massive file though
yes you can, yes gta is big but you also can install games on an SD Card
Personally I'll wait for a price drop or for other ways to play gamecube games on the go.
Way more people play Overwatch, so that's a better game to demo instead of Rocket League.
Good review of the device yes this device is not for everyone, i have one for its versatibility and for indie game yes the nintendo switch can have those games but with steam i can synch save data between my device.
this is what the Nintendo Switch should have looked like.
people should not pay 700 euro for less than 60fps gameplay
9:00 could you say me which is that game?
Warframe on this?
Doesn't look as good as the Pocket 2 which is currently $609 on Indiegogo for the same spec.
How does it perform in games like Ori and the Blind Forest, Owlboy, and Enter the Gungeon?
you can play Gta 5 here so I pretty sure that you will be able )
60 FPS
Can't speak to Owlboy or Gungeon but Ori runs at 60fps locked at 576p, some dips if you go for 720p when the particle effects swell up. I assume Gungeon would also be a perfect 60 at 720p but I haven't installed it yet.
i think price is fair, but the only play able game just indie $700 look so expensive
Can you run steam games on this device?
oh lord
nearly 1/10 of a second delay sounds abominable for games requiring precision
$700. Is too much for me. Hardware wise it probably is worth that i'm sure but I wouldn't spend that on such a device.
just go onto the games file and turn everything off = potatoe mode
this little device runs Fortnite better than my 4th gen i7U notebook
If they can fit a Intel core I-5 I'll be happier but a Intel inside is good
I really like your channel. I spend my time watching youtube. I want to buy a used pc from the amazon. Wath do you recommend:hp spectre x360 15 4k. Lenovo 910 4k. Toshiba satellite radius 15 4k. Lenovo thinkpad x1 yoga 2nd gen ? Tank you.
For same price... I choice N swich for handle game, many gme xclusiv (Good grafic n smoot) n for windows go laptop / pc
Meh, Acer aspire 5 seems like a better buy.
Can this play football manager?
Overpriced - maybe. But you can run Doom or Fallout 4 right from your pocket.
Could I do all I do on my PC with this GPD ? I am looking for mini PC for travelling..(though I'm not really interested in gammes) Thanks
That's what I believed when buying the GPD pocket, which is more suitable as the keyboard is better. The reality is that the keyboard is still too cramped to be really better than a phone (I make a lot of mistakes and my hand get tireed after a bit) and the screen is so small that it gives me a headache after a while. For travelling the Surface go makes more sense at a similar price (actually cheaper for the 8GB ram and 128 SSD variant). Windows is still usable at 10" rather that at 6 or 7 and the keyboard is too (slightly cramped but miles aways from these pocketable devices)
Digitalguy Thanks a lot for your advices !!
Go check GPD Pocket 2, it is due in October. Currently you can preorder it on their indiegogo page at $609 for 8GB RAM model, and $529 for 4GB version. Has a bigger keyboard, full metal body and is way thinner than GPD Win 2.
They 100% need to ditch the physical keyboard and put a virtual one in.. well all use one on our phones and then they have a billion more options... DS/3DS emulator for example.
Ew. Until there's a thing called multitouch resistive touchscreens, I don't think that's a good idea.
Nope, the physical keyboard is non-negotiable.
yeah no other device can run some of the games I want other than this one, where else am I going to play nfsu2 and thug2 and overlord or heck most games are not going to come out for the switch that came out prior, I haven't even used my switch enough because of the lack of games it has over my steam library
U should try some games like castle crashers and terraria
Do the surface go please, dolphin emu
Can you run destiny 2 on this
the price should be 400-500 dollars seeing how small it is, but that's just my opinion
When were small computers ever cheap ?
You're paying for it to be small, it's a feature not a problem
I sorry but ... Review is bad ... If you will check gameplay from youtube you can literary any game today ...Like Gta 5 - Doom - wolfenstein 2 - All Cod - Bf - Crysis so as games from last 30 years - & yes you can play Witcher 3 - just type Witcher 3 gpd win 2 ... & Sure you can play loot of games from GameCube PS2 Ps1 - PSP
+ Specs here are nearly the same as Macbook 13 pro from -2015 1300 us or like Dell Xps so yes price is fair ... + youtube - gpd win 2 102 games
What you see is what I experienced. Not sure how that’s “bad.”
The thing is Lon tried all things in default configurations. He didn't tune the OS, the games, the emulator or the hardware. Otherwise he would have found out that all PS2 and Wii games can run on it. Same for 3DS and even most of the games on WiiU. Having that in context. Lon did OK.
Here's the thing ... you don't need to tune Os or bios to play games like Crysis Doom or Cod - Bf - FarCry 3 - 4 & so on ... all of these games are more the playble in +- mid to hight or Low setting with 30-60 fps ... ( most of new games on consoles running in 30 fps so as switch does if we will take doom or wolfenstein 2 witch look way worse then Gpd version - standart PC... So instead of showing some real games... we see Indie games witch can be played on microwave ... & nothig was mention about tunig Gpd in terms of OS or Bios ... witch is really important cause if you will do it can run Witcher 3 in 25-30 fps with little tweek but it runs & looks great & especially for this screen ... So yes Imho this review is Bad because nothing real was mentioned ... Why do I need to spent 700 us for playing Idie games or emulator according to this video?
I get your frustration. I really do. I am on the GPD WIN train. But LON's channel profile is not geared for gaming. I would agree it was a bad review if that was the case. I am also not saying it was a good review. Just an OK one for him. Best review on GPD hardware continues to be the one from ThePhawx among others with a more solid PC gaming background.
Avatar x - also to Lon TV - Look ...I did huge research on Gpd I know ThePhawx & that why I'm getting frustrated ... Cause there not enough good reviews today about gpd all we have is some low quality opinions but with good publicity who literally stops progress in tech industry only because they are some times to lazy to make research ... It's quite important topic & Im not speaking only about gpd .... Lon TV - you have responsibility to bring right Information & aspecialy if you consider your self as a tech blogger its not only about your experience ...
inputlag is way too high
For gamig device price is to much. For games better go for nintendo switch. Used windows in display size like this... lets go back to price! Sorry to much
I got a seizure with the lag test, I'm suing you 😀
Cool. Overpriced unfortunately, but cool!
80ms for input lag is pathetic and hardly playable
Just for future reviews....the word is Niché. It's pronounced Neesh, as opposed to Nitch...and It's deffinitely a Niché product at that price!
lon.tv/nicheorniche
U could get a decent gaming laptops for 750 so no point of that
uwais qamar this is a gaming laptop
Is ma gta5 Charlie ha
It’s a $700 Windows 3DS
Ok this is overpriced and crazy! But I would still buy it cuz I guess I'm crazy!
I get GTA 5 fully playable with no lag on my gpd win 2
How ?
Do you know how to run Zelda TWP with no lag full screen
Niche (nee-shhhh)
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Wait. What? How much? How do they justify that price? 00:30 price. Not sure I'd call this an alternative to the Switch ( at 5:46 into the video). The switch is a little over $330. This device is double that. IMO the switch looks like more fun. I would say the alternative to this device would be the Nintendo switch.
this is an actual x86 pc. the switch is arm cpu mobile device...
Lol .... So u call GTA 5 - Doom - Crysis 1-3 - CoD - Dirt rally casual - So as Witcher 3 + games from last 30 years in your pocket ...? & wait can you tell me amount of games on Switch like AAA ones ?)
Like what do mean ?) check youtube & amount of people who plays way more games that I mentioned & LIke what do you mean again if we will conceder Switch existence?lol
For the price, you can get a gaming laptop with a gets 1050 and a core i processor
Yeah, but you can only shove it up your arse with it's 15'' or 17'' display, instead shoving into your pocket. If you are looking for performance, get a desktop. If you want to play through your steam/gog backlog on the go, get this one. If you want neither, get a chromebook.
Expensive i cannot afford.. Can anyone give me as agift🤣🤭😘🤗, thank you...