MSI X670e Carbon Motherboard for AMD: Worth it?
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Review of the MSI X670e Motherboard for AMD CPUs. With motherboards being so expensive, we need to ensure we are spending wisely. Is the MSI Carbon X670 worth it?
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Thank you to @MSIGamingOfficial for sending this motherboard for review
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction and important notes
01:04 Performance Overview
01:27 Design
03:50 Specs
08:04 Highlighted Points
09:28 Conclusion - Věda a technologie
At these prices why are they not including Dual BIOS? It's like a staple on Gigabyte boards, and has saved me twice.
Hi! excellent review. For you, which is the best option for a Mobo, I already had a Ryzen 7 7700x and for gpu a RTX 3090. Thx!!
3k subs here we come🎉💪
Have you heard anything about the Stable bios? We have only had beta releases since the 7800x3d started burning
Just bought m.2 with a heatsink from amazon. Will I be able to install it. Never done it before
WootDini failed to cover one of the most important and basic requirements of a motherboard, the CMOS battery.
On this board, which was very annoying, the CMOS battery is NOT accessible if you need to replace it.
The CMOS battery is under the heat-sink that is part of the rear IO box.
To replace the CMOS battery, you have to remove the entire board from the case, then remove 4 rather large screws under the board that hold the heat-sink in, then remove the heat-sink from the board.
The CMOS battery is attached to the rear IO framework with a 2-way tape and plugged into the board with small wires and white connector.
The CMOS battery is all one piece, including the wire that it needs to connect to the mother board. So this means you have to get this specific design/make of the battery to replace it.
The heat-sink is that bulky metal cover that shows the MSI logo, and it is "L" shaped. It sits beside and at the left and top of the CPU cage as one piece. This heat-sink becomes part of the rear IO section of the board. .
It is very upsetting for 2 reasons:
1 - cannot easily access it without removing the entire board from the case.
2 - CMOS battery appears to be proprietary, means the way it is designed you cannot just buy any same type battery like the old days and plunk it in, you have to get the specific battery as a part purchase from MSI.
Essentially, it is like rebuilding the entire computer all over again just to replace a friggin battery. - that was a poor design.
I would not say it's one of the most important but I do understand your frustration. It would be a massive frustration if you had to replace it. But the addition of the CMOS clear and bios reset button negated it for me.
But yea it does suck
@@WootDini
Yep, depending on the system.
Some systems may boot without the CMOS battery, but some won't and also the battery is needed to retain CMOS settings other than the default ones.
So with some systems, it is one of the most important components.
With this specific motherboard, it can lead to a host of error alerts (LEDs, etc) that can be misleading if you believe the battery is fine when it is not, and the BIOS settings will return to default on power-down.
I dealt with that recently, where the CPU LED light was red and according to some information, the CMOS battery could be the cause. - I currently had to return the MOB for warranty work to find out.
Apart from all that, this design for where the battery is placed really creates undue hardship when dealing with it.
Thanks for the input. :)
@@matrix-m6679 Agree 100% :) Ill be honest as soon as it has those reset functions I generally ignore where its place. But your comment made me investigate and its placement is horrible. Will defo make sure to cover this irrespective of function in the future mobo reviews
I have this MB in my rig atm with a 7950X3D and a 4090 and it works nicely! The only catch is that boot time is slightly longer than my AM4 build but that’s not an issue at all! I won’t upgrade until the last R9 X3D CPU for AM5 comes out so yea hopefully my board can support it with OC/PBO2
Exact same setup as me :)
You can improve boot time in bios if you want to.
@@WootDini Lazily bumping this, but how? Running this motherboard as well and would love to know :D
hey the jedec for the mobo is set to 4800, while other mobos have their jedec set at 5200. Will this make much of a difference if I have 6000 mhz sticks
Hi'' thanks for sharing your skills and knowledge! I have another question about this motherboard, I wuld love to use it with this combination of TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta DDR5 6400MHz , but I don't know what thas mean 6400MHz and 6400(OC)
@@WootDini Thank you very much for taking your time to answer and help me with my doubts.
Can I change the rgb logo on this motherboard to a static colour of my choice?
Heya
Yep you can. It's done in MSI center or Dragon center.
Trying to build my first pc
So is this mb more than enough for 7950x3d and future ryzen cpu?
U pointed out 18+2+1 and i dont know what this means
@@WootDini the mb? No
@WootDini
I see
Sadly the asrock cost almost 700$ in my country and msi is 450$
And in fact its the cheapiest 500$ mb range in my country so was thinking if its even good for the price and last at lest 5 yeara with new cpus
If regard my last question you recommended that I should invest in a Gen4 SSD Pcie Expansion Card, which one would you recommend me to get for this, and where can I purchase it, and how many Gen4 Nvme SSD should I limit to the motherboard itself. Like I said I want to at least use 4 Gen4 Nvme SSD in the build altogether.
Hey there, So If your MOBA doesn't support more NVME's, and you have 4tb in each slot it then, look at getting a 2 bay expansion slot that your PC supports in a additional new slot.
www.takealot.com/ugreen-70504-m-2-m-b-key-nvme-sata-pcie-x4-internal-expansion-ca/PLID90597694
What do you need to storage for? If your PC can support NVME's then look at expanding to bigger ones before getting and expansion kit.
@@WootDini I just don't like to have everything on one Nvme, that is why I want to use 4 of them in next build, 1tb for all operating systems: windows operating system, cooling system, antivirus etc. 2tb for all my steam games and I may have to increase that size to 4tb, 2tb for all my other games, and 2tb for all my movies and music. That is why I am looking for any motherboard that will work with my CPU and the number of Nvme I want in it.
Can you use all the Nvme SSD on this motherboard without comprising the GPU and can you also use gen4 Nvme in it? I want to use the Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU on it.
Heya
So you can use all the slots but 7800x3d has 24 lanes (usable I think but will need to check).
That means you use a GPU and there is 8 left. Nvme uses 4. So I'm not sure if 7800 has 24 plus 4 (South bridge). But if it's 24 it's going to need some for IO, it depends on how the system prioritizes.
So I will check but from what I can tell is you can use one and get full speed with a GPU. The rest will route through South bridge which means they will work ( all slotted nvmes) , but they will share bands and if all used same time it will go slower
Last thing can I use all Gen4 Nvme in it, or do I have to use Gen5 Nvme in there pacific Nvme slots.
Will reply on your second string
Can you recommend A Motherboard that will work with AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, that has at least 4 Nvme SSD sloths in it that can be used without compromising the Graphics Card down from 18 to 6. I want to be able to use all Gen4 Nvme in it as I don't want to have to use 2,5 HDD like I did with my other builds. The only reason I want to use this CPU is because I been told it is the best gaming CPU out there at the moment. I also want to use a Navida 4080 super in this build, but would like to know which one won't cause me problems and is the best one to get, so any advice would be welcome for this new build I hope to start A.S.A.P
Heya.
It's not the motherboard that limits the lanes. It's the CPU that has lanes and motherboard accomodates.
My suggestion is go for a motherboard of your choice then get an SSD pcie expansion card.
The primary SSD in the nvme will take 4 lanes, GPU will take 4 lanes and then you raid the expansion which will take the last available 4. That's 24 and 7800x3d has 24 usable.
Now you get full speed without playing musical ssds
I can't wait to get this board. I'm going to build an apu build with the next gen strix halo since amd confirmed ryzen 8000 support.
@@WootDini noo this is perfect! I did not know about the upcoming pin count! I might just wait for next year Q3 x770 boards to pair with the 8000 apu. All i know is i really want mext gen strix halo! Thank u for letting me know i will rethink throwing money at this board!
@@WootDini thats why i Subbed 😁
Does it work good with ryzen 9 7950x3d and rtx 4090..?
@@WootDini Thanks for your previous advice For the CPU cooling I was going for Asus ryujin 3 360mm, will it work ? And one more advice please that MSI X670e Carbon wifi or Asus rog strix x670e gaming e will which one will be better?
Thanks ❤️
Msi makes some good looking products. The wifey has a Mortar b365 (9th gen) and it looks a hell of a lot better than my Gigabyte B660 gaming X (12th gen).....
You totally forgot to highlight the main feature of this board:
2x M.2 5.0 x4 slots which don't share any lanes with any other PCIe slots.
That's why this board has no Thunderbolt.
Heya, thanks for the comment :)
Ryzen 7000 Zen 4 has 24 PCIE 5.0 lanes. This means 1 x 16 for your GPU leaving 8 x for other use. PCIE5.0 on M.2 interface will use 4 lanes which means any mobo with 2 x PCIE 5.0 M.2 has the same ability. I have checked again and unless I am missing something, its about prioritization not sharing. Lane usage is determined by the CPU. I agree that is has 2 x 4x M.2s which means you can have 2x PCIE5 drives if you wanted but the lanes are prioritized, it does not mean they are not "shared". I cant see anything about these lanes being dedicated only for M.2 as that would be (in my opinion) a foolish move especially when both x16s are PCIE5 capable.
There are only so many lanes and depending on the topology of the motherboard and how you construct, that determines how these lanes are utilized if integrated with a PCIE5 capable slot.
As an aside, 4 x are meant to go into the chipset. So if all 24 are being used directly into CPU there is going to be a massive choke on South Bridge. All of the aforementioned is theoretical which I will test but I have actually seen peeps with 2 x PCIE 5.0 M.2s in the correct slot as well as an X16 gpu and the second M.2 is decreased drastically in speed.
I am happy to be corrected but PCIE lanes are not as simple as a cut of connection
Hope this helps :)
@@WootDiniHeyho WootDini,
this is not correct. Not comletely incorrect, but you are missing something:
There are 28 PCI 5.0 lanes. And this board uses 16 to PCIe_1 (8 to PCIe_1 + 8 to PCIe_2 if PCIe_2 is being used), 4 to M.2_1 and 4 to M.2_2 and 4 to chipset.
Means, you can use 5.0 graphics @16 lanes, 2x 5.0 M.2 @4 lanes simultaneously. Without sharing lanes.
I am not completely sure, but from what I have seen, this layout of 5.0 lanes is unique. (Most/All) other boards only have one 5.0 M.2 sharing free slot and if there is a second 5.0 M.2 slot, this one shares lanes with PCIe_1 causing running it on 8x.
And that's why this board has no Thundbolt or USB4.
@@Vannellus Heya
So yes 28 but its 24 + 4. 24 are dedicated direct and 4 are south bridge.
The CPU determines how many PCIE lanes there are the the mobo allows for this.
But the most important takeaway is the PCIE lane usage is determined by the CPU and not the mobo. Hypothetically if these M.2 lanes were direct to CPU, it would "force" the CPU to utilize them under PCIE5 protocol.
But I have checked everywhere and have reached out to MSI (answer pending), but there is no literature to say these are dedicated lines. The only thing i see is that they have 2x capability.
But this should not affect a boards ability to have TB or not (well actually it would but its complicated). When PCIE lanes are used up, the default throughput is south bridge, this is true for all mobos, so they could have put TB on and depending on how the lanes are being used it could prioritize TB (would probably fail in practice)
Just irritating as MSI never had TB (licensing) or USB4.0
Just dont see a point for 2 x 5.0
@@WootDini really love the discussion here. From what I understand from your discussions, We have 24 dedicated direct lanes, 16 are used up by PCIe_1 (also assuming PCIE_2 is NOT used), 4 is used by M2_1, we have 4 more dedicated direct lanes left. But since M2_2 has PCIe5 through the chipset, are you saying it will use the south bridge and there is no use of the extra 4 unused dedicated direct lanes ?
@@enggmind Hello :)
Thanks for the great question.
It gets really complicated especially depending on GPU because even though a gpu takes an x16 slot it may not use all 16 lanes (EG a 4090 uses 16 but could use 8)
So to break it down
28 Lanes
4 x are dedicated to South Bridge
16 x "dedicated" to GPU
That leaves us with 8.
So my theory was that 4 could have been used as a possible hybrid for USB4.0 (TB4) and that leaves 1 for PCIE5 SSD.
But yes if u have 1 SSD in slot 1 or 2 and a gpu in, there are 4 un-used lanes
Hello everybody. Can anybody tell me if installation of all 4 M2 discs on the MB can affect (decrease performance) of GPU slot???
Yeah, me too...
Hey it won't
The cpu will prioritise the GPU and only 2 of the nvme slots go to the cpu directly, the rest will go through south bridge (and be slower than the primary 2)
@@WootDinithanks a lot.
@@WootDini I am sorry, and I understand that this kind of question may seem to be stupid for experts, but to clarify.
The GEN5 PCI E x16 will not drop to x8 regardless of number of intalled M2 discs.?
"VRMs are lacking" 💀💀💀
Ryzen has reasonable amount of power draw, and it has been tested that am5 mobos could even run within acceptable temps without a cooling block with VRMs less robust than this.
nah this VRM configuration is more than enough.
Hey
I always talk in terms of price and competition. Even though the draw from am5 is efficient, a better power phasing can still benefit and not always translate to heat depending on demand from CPU.
Just seen better at better pricing and better phasing which was my main point.
But I do understand your point. It's definitely adequate
went to build on one last night, thing was bricked from msi
Many boards won't boot with the latest CPUs, it's been an issue for years with AMD. The BIOS contains microcode to load onto the CPU to get it to start. So you often need to upgrade the BIOS immediately.
@@6581punk I did that. Still a brick, returned the board. Got a asus
First!!!
BIOS of this Motherboard is shit and boot time is over every acceptable limits. Don't buy MSI products is shit.
Please explain. Because to me this statement just screams "personal bias", without an explanation WHY it does not make it valid.