@@tom4150the guy who owns this channel is called Elliott, he’s had a very successful channel called BattlefrontUpdates for a while now, but that game has unfortunately just about died. Good on him for making this though
Low Bar. You guys are Cuckolds why would you watch a show that directly shits on Tolkien to "Own duh Wacists!" ? The creators of the Show literally overtly said they changed the story to fit a Female as the main character and changed her character so she could "Subvert fan expectations" "The decision to make Galadriel the lead protagonist of the Rings of Power was a “day one, minute one” choice for the creative team, McKay tells me. Watching Blanchett’s stately Galadriel, they sought to understand, “What if you go back thousands of years before [the Jackson films] and she’s on a battlefield with a sword? That was the first image I remember really grabbing onto and going, ‘Okay, this could be something so distinct and different from, maybe, what people are expecting.’” But subverting fan expectations would be no easy feat, particularly when the actress they selected to do so “completely changed our conception of the character,” McKay says." It's trash fan fiction. Period.
Well made balanced video with serious talk instead of raging: it's really starting to become forced how some of the big channels on CZcams are just pushing these raging videos (and no; I'm not saying one can't be critical of something - even the Middle-Earth Updates voices criticism - but it can be done without needlessly raging). I'm glad I found your channel.
Thank you, glad you liked the video :) I don't see why people have such a hard time seeing both the positives and negatives in something, it always has to be so black and white! Been a lot of negative comments on the video unfortunately just because we talk about Rings of Power at all, so we're not sure how we're gonna move forward with content around ROP, but comments like this helps a lot :)
@@MiddleEarthUpdates Continue doing vids mate. I've read all there is about middle earth and I'm liking the show. It's disturbing to see so many people raging, but they are just more loud than the ones silently liking it.
The Form of Sauron that you found strange is a reference to another Maia, the Balrog, and how he is described by Gandalf. During their fight, the Balrog changes into the same form. Sauron and the Balrog are the same type of being, so it makes sense to use a similar form.
Season 1 was hit or miss for me as well, but I got to see the first 2 episodes in theaters last night and I think it's a huge improvement. Still not thrilled about the inclusion of the Istari, but if they make them the blue wizards, I think I can live with it. (Edit: it was a free screening)
@5:50 The orcs appear to have rebelled against Morgoth and Sauron on occasion based on Christopher Tolkien's book of his father's writings, Morgoth's Ring. The site Tolkien Gateway goes into this in greater detail.
I personally liked the beginning of season 1 just like I liked the first two episodes of season 2. But then it gets kinda worse... It is like the promises of what is to come are great but the outcome/the decisions are often outright bad, boring or it keeps being delaying for too long. And there are characters that are just hard to tolerate really. That being said, its not all bad. I liked the first two episodes of season 2 and I thought I never would after the ending of season 1. The show has it's moments atleast.
I think a big part of the problem with rings of power is that beloved characters are made so annoying, so out of character and so bad. I dont mind if they, so to speak, fill in holes in the stories, in a way that it fits. And I wouldn't mind the apparence of known characters if done well. But I will not forgive them for their version of Galadriel and (in some ways) Elrond. I did get happy when we got to see hot Círdan, but then he shaved ...
I like this show even though it's not cannon. Depictions are good, and it explores some pretty opaque aspects of Tolkien's Universe. Having a superwoman like character would ruin the show tbh, so I don't mind Galadriel's character development. Please she's fkn hot, which is rare for a Welsh woman.
Better, but still feel so empty. I guess the episodes could Be way shorter and with more substantial dialogue. Only nice thing it had was the images and natural places, and most clothing. Numenor looks gorgeous.
I know this will probably get lost in the comments but sometimes when I’m home alone I like to go out in my garden and cover myself with dirt and pretend I’m a potato…
Nah, i wont ever get the people, who are saying this is a good show and it somehow could be better. I have not watch it and wont ever do it, but I am very familiar with the plot from the reviews, and also have seen countless interviews with the creators. People who are saying "We are better writers than Tolkien himself, his reasoning on some of the events are stupid, and also he was racist, but we got everything right" wont ever create anything worth watching. So, I am not coming for people who liked the show, I just think we got different opinions about the importance of respecting the author's work.
Sauron getting ambushed and killed by Orcs in the opening sequence of S02E01 means season 2 is undoubteldly worse, no matter what any and all other arguments are. I am not a book purist, and I understand the needs of different medias telling stories differently. But the Sauronicide is so utterly ridiculous that I couldn't go on, even though I watched all of season 1.
Yep, slightly better... Still bad, it looks like they fixed some stuff... Gil Galad was going well until they decided to put him as some sort of a**hole to develop the "rings can save elves" stuff, but Círdan is definitely a great adition, it's a powerfull role, Ben Daniels seems like a good choice, the scene where he brings the rings back didn't feel so natural tho.. Hope they don't blow it up... I mean, it's hard to make it worse, but never doubt what they can do.
Nope. Its still a bastardization of Tolkiens work. If Amazon gave a damn they wouldnt be hiring ideologues, they'd hire actual fans that read the books.
They don’t own all the rights.. How do you expect them to follow everything exactly if they don’t even have all the rights to be allowed to do this. First a lot fans didn’t like Jackson’s work either btw..
This show should not be fast as much as the movies in the case of story telling. Some boring slow parts will grow in time. It is natural to be bored sometimes ı guess. But ı hate Galadriel ofc. She needs a little less teenager spirit.
So far, yes. It’s a SIGNIFICANT improvement. (People who have seen all 8 episodes say the last 2 are amazing) So far it’s better than the second season of house of the dragon. At least things are actually happening. The people screaming that it’s “soMEHoW wORSE” than season 1 need to chill. We all know you need content 🤡
LOL The House of The Dragons was praised until the last episode. Also, the Show Runners hate the fans, why would you support a show that is made by people who hate Tolkien's lore and the fans themselves? They literally said Fantasy that focuses on European folklore is Racist. Not to mention Amazons Racist Standards for all IP they create, they HAVE TO Include non whites in EVERY SINGLE show and movie anyone creates under the Amazon umbrella. Literal racial requirements. Definitional Racism. Token blacks LOL South park level shit.
@Nelis1324 not everything should be looked at with an "open mind." It's a perversion of Tolkien's mythology, if they wanted to just do their own generic fantasy show then they should've done that and people would've had more of an open mind
I want to like this show I really do. It’s just almost everything is a slog and the dialogue 😞. And that’s not “I NEED MORE ACTION UGH TAKING” but just a lot of ‘and then’ storytelling… I wish this series was the story of Elrond and Sauron. Just hyper focus on them and showcase their journeys. And I hope the really give Sauron more time and opportunity to show how he corrupts everything and is this master manipulator strategist. A great example is Gus from breaking bad… please Amazon
That he's referred to as dark wizard doesn't mean that he is one of the istari - I'm pretty sure he's not one of them and this dark wizard is an entirely new character as this evil guy from the east practicing dark arts. After all, during the Third Age Sauron himself was thought to just be some random evil magical practitioner - necromancer - when the good peoples didn't know that it was really him and they assumed that it's just some random evil magical practitioner ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Adam-xg1ch no season 2 has some intense that are griping and got me hooked. Sauron basically dying then coming back to life was crazy. I'm interested in that story and how the Orcs hated Sauron. The dude with his horse is definitely was fun to watch.
i'm a big LOTR fan, so more lotr is more good to me, i watch a lot of youtube too and it suggests lotr content a lot to me, i have spent the last week blocking many lotr channels because they are so negative on rings of power, i respect you for not being a fan of rings of power but not being negative or attacking it, having absorbed a lot of LOTR over the years its great to see this part of the story being visualised (and i realise that they have to keep the series distinct from the films, and use only the parts of lore they have the rights to, which is restricting what they can and can not do) given these restraints i think they are doing a great job, and i also dont mind how they are trying to keep old white men happy (which i am) but also including stronger female roles and roles for non white actors, while not straying too far from the original material, (where all that was good was light and all that was evil was dark) this is difficult to balance. just enjoy the stories and dont be too critical, focus on what you like and remember everyone is different, the parts you dont like someone else may love
The only storyline that’s decent and has some sense of suspense is Sauron becoming annatar and manipulating those around him. Shamdalf and the harfoots was terrible so far. The numenor story sucks. The isildur story sucks and the Galadriel story is still poor. Too many stories not doing much. The only other story that was ok was the dwarfs. Overall better than season 1 but still poor generally. 5/10.
Simply horrible, I really find it hard to understand how certain narrative choices can even come to mind. I refer especially to episode 3. I really find it difficult to associate this series with the world of Lord of the Rings on any level, stylistic, narrative, etc.
You do not know the books, right? Tolkien himself did not like the idea of irredeemable, evil Orcs and was struggling with this concept for many years.
Even if you completely take out the Lotr aspect and judge as just a fantasy show, it is mediocre. Not terrible, but not great either. Just your average show to pass some time and nothing special.
The season 1 opening analogy about why a boat floats speaks for itself…. Also, if it’s so offensive to people who actually like Tolkien’s works, why make a lord of the rings show? If you aren’t even going to bother adhering to the source material, make your own fantasy show. Lord of the Rings is for the fans, tourist!
@@danielnilsson9835 Because it’s still on going? Crazy thing but a second season is an extension of the first one. I know that’s hard to grasp because nobody remembers season one.
It's spitting in the face of tolkiens lore, A disgrace and anyone who calls themselves a tolkien fan and says that this series is good is either a liar or like alot of the influencers and CZcams channels have been payed off
Was season1 as good as the movies? Maybe not but it was still pretty good I thought. I liked it. I don't understand all the hate. Season 2 so far is really good though.
It’s really good actually. Stop comparing to Peter Jackson’s LOTR, that didn’t follow the books to the T either yet people glorify it. Hop off the hate bandwagon and try to enjoy it. Such a toxic fanbase 😔
When are Sauron and Galadrielk going to get it together. I can't wait to see their first kiss. This is much better than that old man' Tolkiens version of this story.
It's not 'love' what she's feeling. Her natural knack for being in control and leading is intensified when she's around him. In the Silmariliion young Galadriel is described as good but also strong-willed and going against convention. She is lured by Halbrand/Sauron because next to him, she feels more 'power'. There was that scene where she told Halbrand she felt something when they were battling side by side. It was power. And it frightens her that she wants it more when he's around her.
I for one loved the first season… the biggest lack in season two.. is Ada recast. The new guy has not the depth & loving care.. he seems idk rough around the edges. The first guy was def going to fall to Sauron but I liked the depth of someone who felt for the orks and gave us a sense of care for their plight. They didn’t choose to come into this world as janked up aggression monsters…..
I watched it in entirety and it continues and escalates the rape of Tolkien lore. Combined with the show's internal logic errors that break its own rules and established characters, this show is objectively bad. One example is Galadriel putting on the ring. Why would Gil-galad allow it in the show? The show establishes that Gil-galad does not like Galadriel nor trusts her in any shape or form, and she is not a powerful and wise leader of the elves on par with Gil-galad and Cirdan. So why would she be allowed to bear one of the three? Show's own logic breaks.
You clearly haven't watched. Gil knows that it's needed to save the tree. The ring is nothing on its own and he knows this. He basically said he doesn't care about anything except the tree
@tom4150 don't be absurd. Nowhere is it implied that it should be Galadriel specifically who wears a ring in order to make it work, it could have been any elf... or that it should be Gil-galad or Cirdan specifically. There were plenty of elves in Lindon. Gil-galad and Cirdan make sense, they are either the leader of all elves or the wisest of all elves. But Galadriel is the odd one out. Gil-galad clearly doesn't trust her. She is clearly not wise. She is clearly a liability. Not only does Gil-galad allow her to put the ring on... and keep it... he then allows her to ride away with the ring to Eregion where they have every reason to believe Sauron might be. Why would Gil-galad allow her to take one of the Three anywhere near Sauron, when she is under his influence and can't be trusted? "Oh but see she hates Sauron so much she would never..." shut the ef up. Entire season 1 she and Sauron were a ship.
If you were going to so flagrantly, disregard Tolkien’s works, why bother making a lord of the rings TV show? It’s just coasting off the IP to push their show. Lord of the Rings is for the fans! Not for tourists, who want discount lord of the rings adjacent. The story doesn’t even work on its own, if you can stomach this vomit, I really question your taste in cinema.
@@tom4150 Then respect the source material. Why can’t someone make their own fantasy show? Every franchise had to start somewhere. By changing Tolkien’s works, fans don’t like it and new people don’t know what’s going on.
@@ratman36597 the show is explaining what is going on. There is only so far back the story can go. You think people didn't have questions when GOT just came out? I enjoy season 2 so far. They are using more creatures that are in the movies. Do you like The Hobbit movies?
@@tom4150 You do this show is taking place during the time of the Silmarillion, which they didn’t have the rights to? So there is already a story that explains everything that’s much better. And no, I did not like the hobbit movies. They were bloated with filler and should’ve stayed true to the original book. I don’t care if they fill a piece with a bunch of stuff from Tolkiens works. What makes said “creatures” interesting is the world and the story they’re tied into. Otherwise it’s just superficial. You’re nothing more than a mindless seal that will clap to anything with Lord of the rings, slapped on it. Tourist.
@@ratman36597 well to each their own but I'm really enjoying the second season. It's called based on the characters created by. Tolkien is dead lol. The rights mean nothing. Disney bought the rights to Star Wars and fan boys still cry. I agree The Hobbit was crap because they made three movies from a short book.
Way better than season one. Still has flaws but if someone is coming to watch the show without previous knowledge of the books and PJ movies it is good. Knowing the books and movies makes me um and ah with the scenes but treating it as outside of Tolkiens vision helps.
I’ve never seen a fan base more allergic to ANY change. Probably because this fan base is older. So many other fandoms deal with 90% more changes but complain 90% less.
WHY did these inexperienced, first time show runners and writers choose for Sauron to take on his final human form from a token traveling WOMAN? It makes no plot sense whatsoever.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen. He didn’t take on that woman’s form, he just used her body to craft a new body for himself. Of all the things to complain about or not understand, I’m baffled that there’s a person on this planet that couldn’t make sense of the most obvious scene in the world.
How about we get one Alfa male character, actually asking for an alpha is to much can we get one masculine male!! They’ve made all the male actors feminine. Don’t get me started on the mixed races of men, elves and dwarfs. I’m no racist but an Asian elf come on now seriously.
@@tom4150 don’t think you understand that Tolkiens world is not from our world it’s fantasy, I think all the women in show act like they haven’t had a good shag in a while
@@tom4150and they would look pretty whilst doing it, too! 😂 Don't mess with the elves! I personally didn't think season 1 was good. Season 2 is better so far. I have to say that Isildur annoyed me in season 1. I found him to a bit of a wet blanket. In season 2, he's still a bit of a 'softie' but his storyline is more punchy and quicker paced. It took 5 episodes for Isildur to do something other than moping in season one. There is more of a balance, now.
You know battlefront is cooked when this channel exists
The game?
Do you not recognize the voice
@@tom4150the guy who owns this channel is called Elliott, he’s had a very successful channel called BattlefrontUpdates for a while now, but that game has unfortunately just about died. Good on him for making this though
@@alexmajor7773 it's sad. Battlefield 4 is awesome. I get so mad when I think of Battlefield 2042. I use to watch the battlefield cartoon.
@@tom4150 although I’m sure what you’re saying is also true, Battlefront is a Star Wars game my dude
Season 2 is definitely a lot better than season 1
Low Bar.
You guys are Cuckolds why would you watch a show that directly shits on Tolkien to "Own duh Wacists!" ?
The creators of the Show literally overtly said they changed the story to fit a Female as the main character and changed her character so she could "Subvert fan expectations"
"The decision to make Galadriel the lead protagonist of the Rings of Power was a “day one, minute one” choice for the creative team, McKay tells me. Watching Blanchett’s stately Galadriel, they sought to understand, “What if you go back thousands of years before [the Jackson films] and she’s on a battlefield with a sword? That was the first image I remember really grabbing onto and going, ‘Okay, this could be something so distinct and different from, maybe, what people are expecting.’” But subverting fan expectations would be no easy feat, particularly when the actress they selected to do so “completely changed our conception of the character,” McKay says."
It's trash fan fiction. Period.
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Totally agree
Season 2. Is better than 1. So far I am hooked. I love how we saw how evil got evil and who is and how and what is the dark lord
Well made balanced video with serious talk instead of raging: it's really starting to become forced how some of the big channels on CZcams are just pushing these raging videos (and no; I'm not saying one can't be critical of something - even the Middle-Earth Updates voices criticism - but it can be done without needlessly raging). I'm glad I found your channel.
Thank you, glad you liked the video :) I don't see why people have such a hard time seeing both the positives and negatives in something, it always has to be so black and white!
Been a lot of negative comments on the video unfortunately just because we talk about Rings of Power at all, so we're not sure how we're gonna move forward with content around ROP, but comments like this helps a lot :)
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@@MiddleEarthUpdates Continue doing vids mate. I've read all there is about middle earth and I'm liking the show. It's disturbing to see so many people raging, but they are just more loud than the ones silently liking it.
So true!
This is a balance video. Thank you for not hate farming.
I mean…the bar was on the floor so sure
I mean, the first season had a lot of positives, but the negatives (the writing) were so prominent that it ruined the show.
The Form of Sauron that you found strange is a reference to another Maia, the Balrog, and how he is described by Gandalf. During their fight, the Balrog changes into the same form. Sauron and the Balrog are the same type of being, so it makes sense to use a similar form.
Season 1 was hit or miss for me as well, but I got to see the first 2 episodes in theaters last night and I think it's a huge improvement. Still not thrilled about the inclusion of the Istari, but if they make them the blue wizards, I think I can live with it. (Edit: it was a free screening)
Imagine paying money to see the Premiere of a show that hates its own fans.
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 It was a free screening
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 Take it easy there, sweetheart. It was a free screening.
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 Take it easy there, sweetheart. It was a free screening.
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 Take it easy there, sweetheart. It was a promotional event. Didn't have to pay a cent!
Gil Galad is probably my favourite character.
He provides character development to Galadriel, and actually act like a king.
I find it hilarious that he refers to Halbrand as _the low man._
He's the same guys who was in the follow ship of the ring g just beside elrond in a 2 second frame impaling a ork
lol
😂😂
I’m going to watch it tomorrow
@5:50 The orcs appear to have rebelled against Morgoth and Sauron on occasion based on Christopher Tolkien's book of his father's writings, Morgoth's Ring. The site Tolkien Gateway goes into this in greater detail.
Thank you is a good information this site Tolkien Gate.
But were they able to “kill” Sauron? Doesn’t seem all that tough anymore…
Definitely humanized the orcs a lot more in season 2. The details and the how orcs were fighting everyone just have a place to live is amazing
@@ratman36597 sauron is like immortal. They killed the body but the soul of sauron escaped and just went into another body.
@@ratman36597 Grima Wormtongue, s single mere human, killed the body of Saruman.
I personally liked the beginning of season 1 just like I liked the first two episodes of season 2. But then it gets kinda worse... It is like the promises of what is to come are great but the outcome/the decisions are often outright bad, boring or it keeps being delaying for too long. And there are characters that are just hard to tolerate really. That being said, its not all bad. I liked the first two episodes of season 2 and I thought I never would after the ending of season 1. The show has it's moments atleast.
Yes I would appreciate a review of all the episodes that come out of this series. Thank you!
I think a big part of the problem with rings of power is that beloved characters are made so annoying, so out of character and so bad. I dont mind if they, so to speak, fill in holes in the stories, in a way that it fits. And I wouldn't mind the apparence of known characters if done well. But I will not forgive them for their version of Galadriel and (in some ways) Elrond. I did get happy when we got to see hot Círdan, but then he shaved ...
I like this show even though it's not cannon.
Depictions are good, and it explores some pretty opaque aspects of Tolkien's Universe.
Having a superwoman like character would ruin the show tbh, so I don't mind Galadriel's character development. Please she's fkn hot, which is rare for a Welsh woman.
Wait, this isn't battlefront...
Better, but still feel so empty. I guess the episodes could Be way shorter and with more substantial dialogue. Only nice thing it had was the images and natural places, and most clothing. Numenor looks gorgeous.
I know this will probably get lost in the comments but sometimes when I’m home alone I like to go out in my garden and cover myself with dirt and pretend I’m a potato…
Ok. 📝
So far , I love both seasons.
I don't care much for the show either and I also wish they have much better writing, but somethings change and cannot stay the same forever.
The recasting is annoying, finding S2 pretty dull so far. Like S1, lots of really slow and boring scenes.
Nah, i wont ever get the people, who are saying this is a good show and it somehow could be better. I have not watch it and wont ever do it, but I am very familiar with the plot from the reviews, and also have seen countless interviews with the creators. People who are saying "We are better writers than Tolkien himself, his reasoning on some of the events are stupid, and also he was racist, but we got everything right" wont ever create anything worth watching. So, I am not coming for people who liked the show, I just think we got different opinions about the importance of respecting the author's work.
I wOnT wAtCh ThE sHoW, bUt OtHeR pEoPlE hAvE tOlD mE
Just admit it, you’re a sheep 🐑
We must. I just want good tv shows. It's a really good show when there isn't much to watch on TV now. TV and movies are not the same as books.
"Better" is not always "good".
Yes it is, much better
Sauron getting ambushed and killed by Orcs in the opening sequence of S02E01 means season 2 is undoubteldly worse, no matter what any and all other arguments are.
I am not a book purist, and I understand the needs of different medias telling stories differently.
But the Sauronicide is so utterly ridiculous that I couldn't go on, even though I watched all of season 1.
We know the timelines are squashed, but that's expected, it was on the movies too. But so far so good.
Yep, slightly better... Still bad, it looks like they fixed some stuff... Gil Galad was going well until they decided to put him as some sort of a**hole to develop the "rings can save elves" stuff, but Círdan is definitely a great adition, it's a powerfull role, Ben Daniels seems like a good choice, the scene where he brings the rings back didn't feel so natural tho.. Hope they don't blow it up... I mean, it's hard to make it worse, but never doubt what they can do.
It's good when you think of lack of good tv shows out.
Without a doubt. Better dialogue, better atmosphere, pacing and direction
…..what do you normally watch? 😂
did he say he loved rings of power?
"Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good."
J.R.R. Tolkien
Dude, shut up lol. You didn’t create this comment, you are just echoing what others are saying lol
Are you star wars battlefrontupdates by any chance? you two sound very similar
Yep that's me ;)
No
Nope. Its still a bastardization of Tolkiens work. If Amazon gave a damn they wouldnt be hiring ideologues, they'd hire actual fans that read the books.
They don’t own all the rights.. How do you expect them to follow everything exactly if they don’t even have all the rights to be allowed to do this. First a lot fans didn’t like Jackson’s work either btw..
@@Nelis1324not owning all the rights isn't an excuse for their perversion of Numenor and it's history.
@@Nelis1324 Maybe they should have left it alone then, instead of trying to cash-in on people's feelings.
oh yay -^_^-
Read the books then! TV is not a book! I hated the fallout game but I loved the show because it was good entertainment
I loved the first three episodes. I cannot wait for the Siege battle.
The early moments of episode 1 was quite interesting and downright impressive.
This show should not be fast as much as the movies in the case of story telling. Some boring slow parts will grow in time. It is natural to be bored sometimes ı guess. But ı hate Galadriel ofc. She needs a little less teenager spirit.
So far, yes. It’s a SIGNIFICANT improvement. (People who have seen all 8 episodes say the last 2 are amazing)
So far it’s better than the second season of house of the dragon. At least things are actually happening.
The people screaming that it’s “soMEHoW wORSE” than season 1 need to chill. We all know you need content 🤡
LOL The House of The Dragons was praised until the last episode.
Also, the Show Runners hate the fans, why would you support a show that is made by people who hate Tolkien's lore and the fans themselves?
They literally said Fantasy that focuses on European folklore is Racist.
Not to mention Amazons Racist Standards for all IP they create, they HAVE TO Include non whites in EVERY SINGLE show and movie anyone creates under the Amazon umbrella. Literal racial requirements. Definitional Racism. Token blacks LOL South park level shit.
Some people just have to hate. They are biased and are not looking at it with an open mind.
@Nelis1324 not everything should be looked at with an "open mind." It's a perversion of Tolkien's mythology, if they wanted to just do their own generic fantasy show then they should've done that and people would've had more of an open mind
@@mattcollins3591 ROP was made for YOU... so of course you love it.
@@Ryansghostme? It was made for someone who hated the first season? Okay.
I want to like this show I really do. It’s just almost everything is a slog and the dialogue 😞. And that’s not “I NEED MORE ACTION UGH TAKING” but just a lot of ‘and then’ storytelling…
I wish this series was the story of Elrond and Sauron. Just hyper focus on them and showcase their journeys.
And I hope the really give Sauron more time and opportunity to show how he corrupts everything and is this master manipulator strategist.
A great example is Gus from breaking bad… please Amazon
I feel like it’s literally Gandalf and Saruman lol
"Dark Wizard"?
I thought there were only the 5 we know of?
(he does look a lot like Saruman though?)
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That he's referred to as dark wizard doesn't mean that he is one of the istari - I'm pretty sure he's not one of them and this dark wizard is an entirely new character as this evil guy from the east practicing dark arts. After all, during the Third Age Sauron himself was thought to just be some random evil magical practitioner - necromancer - when the good peoples didn't know that it was really him and they assumed that it's just some random evil magical practitioner ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Saruman didn´t start as a dark wizard. According to Gandalf, he was the wisest, but Saron corrupted him through the Palantir.
No question season 2 is a lot better. Season 1 was a lot of talking that lead nowhere until the very end.
.....that's also season 2.
@@Adam-xg1ch no season 2 has some intense that are griping and got me hooked. Sauron basically dying then coming back to life was crazy. I'm interested in that story and how the Orcs hated Sauron. The dude with his horse is definitely was fun to watch.
s2 ep 1 was my fav ep of the 3
i'm a big LOTR fan, so more lotr is more good to me, i watch a lot of youtube too and it suggests lotr content a lot to me, i have spent the last week blocking many lotr channels because they are so negative on rings of power, i respect you for not being a fan of rings of power but not being negative or attacking it, having absorbed a lot of LOTR over the years its great to see this part of the story being visualised (and i realise that they have to keep the series distinct from the films, and use only the parts of lore they have the rights to, which is restricting what they can and can not do) given these restraints i think they are doing a great job, and i also dont mind how they are trying to keep old white men happy (which i am) but also including stronger female roles and roles for non white actors, while not straying too far from the original material, (where all that was good was light and all that was evil was dark) this is difficult to balance. just enjoy the stories and dont be too critical, focus on what you like and remember everyone is different, the parts you dont like someone else may love
Great comment. Rings of Power is just so good.
It’s slow and boring so far.
Could it be worse??
The only storyline that’s decent and has some sense of suspense is Sauron becoming annatar and manipulating those around him.
Shamdalf and the harfoots was terrible so far. The numenor story sucks. The isildur story sucks and the Galadriel story is still poor.
Too many stories not doing much.
The only other story that was ok was the dwarfs.
Overall better than season 1 but still poor generally. 5/10.
Yeah Tolkien totally intended for the Queen of Light to have a huge crush on Satan. Christ. Awful.
Season 2 so far so good! Cirdan tho looks like the Trivago guy. No complaints. I actually like his portrayal.
Simply horrible, I really find it hard to understand how certain narrative choices can even come to mind. I refer especially to episode 3. I really find it difficult to associate this series with the world of Lord of the Rings on any level, stylistic, narrative, etc.
Literally explains the reason for the rings lol. You are just used to Elf lands where they do no work and they just sit around like gods.
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They're trying to make the Orcs sympathetic???
They really just want lord of the rings to become generic dnd fantasy, such garbage
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So orcs have to be demons? There can't be baby orcs? Orcs are alive they clearly feel. They just want to live and have a home.
You do not know the books, right? Tolkien himself did not like the idea of irredeemable, evil Orcs and was struggling with this concept for many years.
@anni.68 this is a complete fabrication. In none of Tolkien's works or letters is it ever suggested that orcs can be good natured
Is it a perfect show, no ... Is it a good show, yes it is.
If it offends the Tolkien purists, fine ... Then just don't watch the damn show 🤷♂️
Even if you completely take out the Lotr aspect and judge as just a fantasy show, it is mediocre.
Not terrible, but not great either. Just your average show to pass some time and nothing special.
The season 1 opening analogy about why a boat floats speaks for itself….
Also, if it’s so offensive to people who actually like Tolkien’s works, why make a lord of the rings show? If you aren’t even going to bother adhering to the source material, make your own fantasy show. Lord of the Rings is for the fans, tourist!
@@RVIU11what other fantasy shows is better then this one (except GoT)?
@@ratman36597how are u still ranting about this 2 years later? 😅
@@danielnilsson9835 Because it’s still on going? Crazy thing but a second season is an extension of the first one. I know that’s hard to grasp because nobody remembers season one.
It's spitting in the face of tolkiens lore, A disgrace and anyone who calls themselves a tolkien fan and says that this series is good is either a liar or like alot of the influencers and CZcams channels have been payed off
In that case, where is my money?
Was season1 as good as the movies? Maybe not but it was still pretty good I thought. I liked it. I don't understand all the hate. Season 2 so far is really good though.
I am more interested in the orcs than I ever did with the elves and Humans of LOTR
Yes I'm very interested in how they against Sauron.
Season 2 is just as bad as season 1
It's not Tolkien.... It is total crap!!!
Nothing good
It’s really good actually.
Stop comparing to Peter Jackson’s LOTR, that didn’t follow the books to the T either yet people glorify it. Hop off the hate bandwagon and try to enjoy it. Such a toxic fanbase 😔
nah, that's 100% cope
When are Sauron and Galadrielk going to get it together. I can't wait to see their first kiss. This is much better than that old man' Tolkiens version of this story.
It's not 'love' what she's feeling. Her natural knack for being in control and leading is intensified when she's around him. In the Silmariliion young Galadriel is described as good but also strong-willed and going against convention. She is lured by Halbrand/Sauron because next to him, she feels more 'power'. There was that scene where she told Halbrand she felt something when they were battling side by side. It was power. And it frightens her that she wants it more when he's around her.
@@roddo1955 So, when do you think they'll kiss? I think that they will save it for episode 8.
I for one loved the first season… the biggest lack in season two.. is Ada recast.
The new guy has not the depth & loving care.. he seems idk rough around the edges.
The first guy was def going to fall to Sauron but I liked the depth of someone who felt for the orks and gave us a sense of care for their plight. They didn’t choose to come into this world as janked up aggression monsters…..
I watched it in entirety and it continues and escalates the rape of Tolkien lore. Combined with the show's internal logic errors that break its own rules and established characters, this show is objectively bad.
One example is Galadriel putting on the ring. Why would Gil-galad allow it in the show? The show establishes that Gil-galad does not like Galadriel nor trusts her in any shape or form, and she is not a powerful and wise leader of the elves on par with Gil-galad and Cirdan. So why would she be allowed to bear one of the three? Show's own logic breaks.
Did you watch the Hobbit. Because Tolkien was work was raped when three movies were made from one short book.
You clearly haven't watched. Gil knows that it's needed to save the tree. The ring is nothing on its own and he knows this. He basically said he doesn't care about anything except the tree
@tom4150 don't be absurd. Nowhere is it implied that it should be Galadriel specifically who wears a ring in order to make it work, it could have been any elf... or that it should be Gil-galad or Cirdan specifically. There were plenty of elves in Lindon. Gil-galad and Cirdan make sense, they are either the leader of all elves or the wisest of all elves. But Galadriel is the odd one out. Gil-galad clearly doesn't trust her. She is clearly not wise. She is clearly a liability.
Not only does Gil-galad allow her to put the ring on... and keep it... he then allows her to ride away with the ring to Eregion where they have every reason to believe Sauron might be. Why would Gil-galad allow her to take one of the Three anywhere near Sauron, when she is under his influence and can't be trusted? "Oh but see she hates Sauron so much she would never..." shut the ef up. Entire season 1 she and Sauron were a ship.
@tom4150 also, noone ever refers to Gil-galad as "Gil". What's next, "Bil" instead of "Bilbo"? "Bob" short for "Celebrimbor"?
@@skuripandaburns3489 It's Brimby, and we can call Gil-galad Gil as much as we like.
If you were going to so flagrantly, disregard Tolkien’s works, why bother making a lord of the rings TV show? It’s just coasting off the IP to push their show. Lord of the Rings is for the fans! Not for tourists, who want discount lord of the rings adjacent.
The story doesn’t even work on its own, if you can stomach this vomit, I really question your taste in cinema.
Because it's cool fantasy. The creatures are known. Not like there is much new TV shows to watch. I will continue to enjoy it
@@tom4150 Then respect the source material. Why can’t someone make their own fantasy show? Every franchise had to start somewhere. By changing Tolkien’s works, fans don’t like it and new people don’t know what’s going on.
@@ratman36597 the show is explaining what is going on. There is only so far back the story can go. You think people didn't have questions when GOT just came out? I enjoy season 2 so far. They are using more creatures that are in the movies. Do you like The Hobbit movies?
@@tom4150 You do this show is taking place during the time of the Silmarillion, which they didn’t have the rights to? So there is already a story that explains everything that’s much better.
And no, I did not like the hobbit movies. They were bloated with filler and should’ve stayed true to the original book.
I don’t care if they fill a piece with a bunch of stuff from Tolkiens works. What makes said “creatures” interesting is the world and the story they’re tied into. Otherwise it’s just superficial.
You’re nothing more than a mindless seal that will clap to anything with Lord of the rings, slapped on it. Tourist.
@@ratman36597 well to each their own but I'm really enjoying the second season. It's called based on the characters created by. Tolkien is dead lol. The rights mean nothing. Disney bought the rights to Star Wars and fan boys still cry. I agree The Hobbit was crap because they made three movies from a short book.
Of course, you defend this trash that ruins the villains
You mean add detail and give you actual history of them.
@@tom4150 not when it's humillate them and make them less impressive than they actually were, pathetic defender of this trash
I actually like the pacing overall after horrible season 2 house of Dragon. Thats what you call a slow pacing
Truly, the season 2 of all time
Way better than season one. Still has flaws but if someone is coming to watch the show without previous knowledge of the books and PJ movies it is good. Knowing the books and movies makes me um and ah with the scenes but treating it as outside of Tolkiens vision helps.
That isn’t a statement which gives season 2 much hope. I flush things down the toilet that were better written and produced than season one. 😂
I’ve never seen a fan base more allergic to ANY change. Probably because this fan base is older. So many other fandoms deal with 90% more changes but complain 90% less.
WHY did these inexperienced, first time show runners and writers choose for Sauron to take on his final human form from a token traveling WOMAN? It makes no plot sense whatsoever.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen. He didn’t take on that woman’s form, he just used her body to craft a new body for himself. Of all the things to complain about or not understand, I’m baffled that there’s a person on this planet that couldn’t make sense of the most obvious scene in the world.
Because the human was available. Sauron is in male form lol
BWUAHAHAAAA Its hott garbage!!!!!
Better as in taking a fart to the face over the wet fart of season 1.
How about we get one Alfa male character, actually asking for an alpha is to much can we get one masculine male!!
They’ve made all the male actors feminine.
Don’t get me started on the mixed races of men, elves and dwarfs. I’m no racist but an Asian elf come on now seriously.
Alpha males don't exist in human culture. Most elves would destroy any buff human with speed, agility and accuracy.
You are racist. You cry over a yellow elf. I guess you think only white people can be elves. They are fictional characters! It's called acting
@@tom4150 don’t think you understand that Tolkiens world is not from our world it’s fantasy, I think all the women in show act like they haven’t had a good shag in a while
@@tom4150and they would look pretty whilst doing it, too! 😂
Don't mess with the elves!
I personally didn't think season 1 was good. Season 2 is better so far. I have to say that Isildur annoyed me in season 1. I found him to a bit of a wet blanket. In season 2, he's still a bit of a 'softie' but his storyline is more punchy and quicker paced. It took 5 episodes for Isildur to do something other than moping in season one. There is more of a balance, now.
@@roddo1955 I agree. I'm glad I made it through season 1 because season 2 is a lot better and I'm not all lost.
Quite better, good vid
it is awful and i would bet good money that ratings plummet and the show gets axed before they even get to season 4.
Still garbage though...
Baby orc ❤
The answer is No.