Penalty/OB should be played as lateral. That is a lot of local rules but agree make it across the board. Free relief from a divot that is clearly defined and agreed by playing partners is great.
If you hit the ball in the rough or over in the fall leaves and don’t have the luxury of a spotter like the tour pros, free drop (no penalty) to replace your ball where you and the group agree it landed but is either plugged, under leaves. Speed up play free drop and move on.
Generally agree, but you have to be realistic. I've played with guys who used the "lost under the leaves" concept to turn a 215 yard drive into a 270 yard drive. If you're playing on your own I guess you just need to hold yourself to account, obviously if playing in a group you can ask them about where you think a fair spot to drop would be.
@@MonsterERB that’s a very valid point. A buddy of mine was a real distance exaggerator. Don’t get me wrong, he could hit the ball a long way, but I remember he swore his ball carried this ravine that was like a 340 yard carry, I was like “my brother, you’re smoking crack”
I use to play in a club that had a seasonal leaf rule. It lead to people playing high risk shots blind, that they'd not normally try, knowing they could claim leaf rule for a lost ball. Playing sensible for position was then penalised.
I like the 2 off the tee rule in junction with the 3 from where it went out. Gives you another option, seems fair to me. Me and the boys always move out of the divot.. you can fix pitch marks on a green in your putt line, you shouldn't get a terrible lie because of another player playing the hole before you if you hit it in the fairway
I think the rule about not being able to kick your ball out of a forest and say it was never in the forest, and that you actually you parred the last hole not triple bogeyed it as you think I did.
I’d like all penalties etc. to be the same consequence. I usually know what the fault is but have trouble remembering which is two club lengths or one. Which is two penalty strokes and which is one. Make them all the same.
When you receive a penalty.. it is 2 clubs..whether it is a 1 or 2 stroke penalty. .... and if the relief is free it is one club length. Also..usually a 1 stoke penalty is given for things that occur as a result of playing a shot. 2 stroke penalties are usually when you do something naughty, or stupid, that you should not have done.
my big rule change: create divisions for competition - ranging from 100% traditional to fully modern. so one tournament can ban all electronics, and even restrict equipment, while another can allow all the electronics and aids the organizers want to allow; or anywhere in between.
Concept: Masters- Lean traditional w/ electronic ban, more value in experienced, possibly give the caddie market a boost; Augusta already doesnt allow private recordings of the course, easy to adjust, plenty of history in the course to show how it evolved with the game and its practitioners The Open- 100% traditional; speaks for itself being in the homeland of golf US Open- 100% modern; plethora of courses of age, difficulty and infamy to test practitioners and push design and creativity to the edge( think like a profession greenkeepers revenge in a way); prime environment for brands and new ideas to promote product Pga Champ- lean modern with equipment band; skills test of talent on the most difficult courses; would either establish common lofts or establish a range of lofts in categories such as “modern” “”semi-modern” or “traditional” and the yardage each club “should” get with x club head speed in no wind, mild wind, etc. Prime environment for the community to really see the difference between the average golfer and the pros and the bridge that can be built with the industry.
Have a tour event where every person has to hand in a shopping list: 12 balls, no more than 3 dollars MSRP each 1 putter, no more than 200 dollars MSRP 3 wedges, combined no more than 250 MSRP 1 set of irons P-5 MSRP no more than 500. 3 choices of Hybrid, Utility or lower woods no more than 150 each. 1 3wood and 1 driver, combined value no more than 400 dollars. The organizer then purchases all your stuff, marks it and you get the bag the day of the practice round Thats a 14 club bag for 1500 dollars with "cheap" balls. it will force every brand to have proper handicap 20 level equipment that is good bang for buck so amateurs can play without 600 dollar drivers. or just do events that only allow blades (so no woods/drivers) and the following event that only allows mallets (so no irons, only hybrids)
All lost balls should be under the same rule. Whether it's OB, water, lost in trees/hedges/shrubs/leaves, etc, Drop where it was last in play or where it is agreed by the players to have been when lost, drop a new ball and add a stroke. Divots, especially on public courses can be a real problem and it should be legal to move the ball either left or right up to the width of the ball as a free move. Not as sure what to do about hitting into a divot in a bunker (People Too Lazy To Rake The Sand) as they can be even worse than ones in a fairway.
@@Bomion why, because I dont cheat? Dont submit fake scores and play the game as its intended and just have fun with it rather than whine that my balls in a bit of a scrape in the ground? Yeah, I'm the dull one alright🤣🤣
@@theythinkimmadyouknow explain to me why you’re allowed to fix a divot in your way on the green before you putt. That’s allowed right? Shouldn’t you just play it as it lies?
I love Golf and playing it as much as I can. But hate so many rules that penalize anything and everything as if we were playing professional golf for millions
That’s obviously the only way to uphold a fair handicap system for players that compete, regardless of level of competition, and most golf players play in competitions at least once or twice per season. Those who never compete can of course do what they want, but is it really funny to have a lower handicap than you are able to play within the rules?
If “Players” is 5th major then we go back to 1974 when first “players” was played and include everyone who won it since 74” as a major winner. That would give Jack 3 more Majors, and Tiger 2 more.
Guy's R&A character needs to be a recurring thing on this podcast from now on. The Granola eating, tree hugging, weed smoking leader of the R&A who wears hipster clothes and has an extensive vinyl collection... 🤣
My friends and I play "Spectator Rule" when it comes to lost balls in places that are in bounds (and not in major trouble). Where everyone saw it go just off the fairway into the rough but it's nowhere to be seen, maybe its under a leaf, maybe it went into a gopher hole, who knows. If there were spectators and cameras they could point you right to it because you know it was definitely in bounds still. So we just drop a free ball in a place we all agree is approximately where we saw it end.
I want to see a Guy vs. Rick video, where you guys play a course under 7,000 yrds or from the white tees, Guy with TM Mini and Rick with Callaway Mini!!! No drivers!
I've always believed that a divot in the fairway should be ground under repair, free drop!!! And a lost ball should be a drop hitting your 3rd shot, going all the way back to the tee slows down play and is ridiculous, and out of bounds should be 2 off the tee, it seems so simple really.⛳⛳
I have always found the "lost golf ball" penalty for ammeture and lower level golf unfair. The professionals literally have people (and some times cameras) all the way down the hole to help them locate their wayward ball. If you can't find a ball, there should be no stroke penalty for a lost ball for everyone short of the pros.
I would agree with the suggestion of Guy, you take it as if you are playing whatever stroke is after the lost ball off the tee is or you take an additional stroke and play a drop from roughly where the ball was lost
I hate playing courses with rough and leaves everywhere and you cannot find your ball even though you know 100% it didn’t go out of bounds, but it just is under a leaf
I absolutely hate when I hit a ball inbounds and can’t find it. Just the other week I hit a beautiful drive straight in the middle of the fairway, but we had so much rain here that the ball plugged so deep in the ground that I searched everywhere and couldn’t find it. Funny thing is, I went golfing there five days after when it was all dry, and I saw the very top of that exact ball peeking up from the dirt. But on the day I golfed, I had to take a drop and re-hit. Which ended up giving me a seven on a par four. Frustrating indeed.
It's incredibly easy to lose balls for me. Even after playing golf for years I can stare at the ball when someone swings. Frame 1: ball on tee. Frame 2: Driver head. Frame 3: Swing is complete. Frame 4: Ball has literally disappeared. Doesn't matter if it's completely smashed down the middle of the fairway, there's a decent chance I will legitimately not see it.
I like a gallery drop rule. If we all see that the ball is in, but can't find it. Free drop where we all feel the ball would have been located if there was a gallery there watching the shot.
If you want relief from divots, sand your divot +1. If everyone does that (as they are supposed to), the fairway condition improves, and nobody has to deal with a pockmark. If very few people do it (current status quo) then you get tears and lamentations. Sand your divots.
Not practical for the walkers (if you’re not walking you shouldn’t be playing) to be carrying sand. Curiously it’s the golfers in carts who NEVER sand or replace their divots.
I don't think I've played a local course in the last 10+ years that has even had sand available to the players. Fixing a divot as was taught to me, was replacing the patch of grass back on the mark. Sand was something you only saw on TV.
@@yetisdeuce1315 I’ve only played short courses, full munis, public courses, & country clubs in California, Texas, Kyushu, and the Kanto areas. From 1988 I’ve seen sand not be provided ONE time (in Texas). I’ve paid green fees from $400 to $24, I’ve never seen ZERO sand provided. You should play better courses. Dont trust ME. I’m another internet rando. Go look it up. Players are EXPECTED to sand their own divots and 1 extra. Not doing that is like spitting lougies indoors and complaining about how nasty it is.
When it comes to lost balls it can be quite irritating when there's virtually no difference between a lost ball and one that 's almost lost - (you just got lucky and found it) but rules are in place to keep the game fair. However I disagree with some of the rules on taking relief, for example when Bob MacIntyre recently got a free drop from a sprinkler head which happened to be in the middle of thigh high rough, or when people remove their ball from behind a tree because there happened to be rabbit scrapings nearby. Doubtless everyone will disagree but I believe you should always play the ball as it lies - you put it there.
I'm going to keep it 100: I already take relief from bad fairway lies in divots. You shouldn't get punished for hitting a fairway. I do like the 2 off the tee proposition, though I wont actually use it unless it get implemented. I also just drop however i feel like it, sometimes i just toss it lol. The other rule I have for myself is the "a spotter would know where it is" rule where if i know it is in bounds but I cant find it, I take a drop at my best guess. Also I suck at golf and dont play any tournaments so nothing really matters
I think 3 off the tee is fair for OB if you can’t keep your golf ball on the property. HOWEVER, tree lined courses where there is no chance for finding your ball in bounds should be marked as hazards.
Where I grew up our local course was sparse grass, simply not enough water or money for huge maintenance - so local rule was anywhere on the fairway you had a clublength no closer to the hole to move your ball (regardless whether in a divot or not) so you had a chance of getting the ball onto some grass/weeds. I dont think it's unreasonable to have this implemented everywhere - if you want to keep it old-worldly strict for top-level events, then have at it.
Stroke and distance rule: Agree that a factual 2 penalty strokes from hitting OOB (especially on narrow courses) is quite a severe punishment. if you hit a par 3 OOB you suddenly need a hole in 1 to make par. Divots: If the ball is actually below fairway level (as in bridging a club over the ball without it touching is possible) you should get a free drop, but just a shallow divot that's 4 months old shouldn't give relief. if the ground is so muddy or there are wheeltracks, same test, bridge your club over the ball, if the ball is actually not touching the club you can drop it in 1 clublenght. Dropping/placing In cases where you get a penalty stroke it should be place, in case of free drops it should remain drop. Otherwise you have a better chance of a good lie by aiming for a shelterhouse and placing it next to it than to actually aim correctly.
Most comps that i play make you take a drop for 4 a metre on the fairway laterally where you think your ball ended up but can't find If you want to retee, you hit for 2 BUT you forfeit your first ball regardless of if you find it. It stops people from hitting 2 balls for giggles and taking the 2nd one if they don't like where the first one is (can't find it on purpose) This speeds up everything
I don’t know about hitting two off the tee is a good idea. It seems like it would save time. but the reality is, everyone hitting a slightly bad shot would be hitting a provisional, just in case. And then make no real attempt to look for their ball. But I absolutely agree about getting a free drop if you hit your ball into a divot, or any other imperfection in the fairway, for that matter. The fairway, just like the green, it’s supposed to be in relatively good condition. And that’s actually a rule that me and my friends play by. We allow each other to roll the ball. You should never be punished for hitting a good shot.
My favorite rule idea is PIN IS IN. Any ball which clearly strikes the pin is considered holed. Never take the pin out, speed up play, lower scores, exciting finishes, what’s not to love. ❤
We play for lost balls that we drop 2 club lengths on fairway for 3 off the tee or from where it was lost or goes ob. But obviously not in competition. It’s no difference to hitting a good shot from the tee for second shot but because you have been penalised it’s only fair to be on fairway hitting forth. So why risk taking a provisional off the tee and possibly losing another ball or hitting into rough and wasting time for the group behind. So I would be onboard for either rule to be an option take 2 off tee or drop on fairway near to where it was lost or went ob.
Imagine being punished for smashing it at the very center of the fairway and getting a worse lie that you would have had in the mid rough. You should be allowed to play preferred lie (inside a one scorecard semi-circumference) for every shot ended up in fairway (if you're in the rough then play as it lies obviously)
Ball drop - Extend the arm out on aprox 45 deg angle to that the release is at waist hight. I'm 280 pounds 6-1 with bad knees. that's all I can take. 😆
The Divot rule really needs to go. The other rule that winds me up is the lost ball that's not OB and only lost because nobody saw it down and it's trickled 2 yards off the fairway and as a result you spend 3 minutes looking in the wrong place. You then drop, take the penalty and walk 10 yards and stumble across your original ball and that's just bad luck. That to me is a double penalty you've taken a drop further back from likely a worse lie and taken a penalty for the privillage of doing so. If your original ball is playable and you find it you should be able to renominate it as your ball in play and carry on without penalty. Lets face it in competition at tour level you have people running around with markers with the players name on there are no lost balls only difficult lies.
I think Guy was just getting a little TOO into his character 😂. Thoroughly enjoyable and couldn’t agree more with the content. If the grass surface has obviously been disturbed below the surrounding level then it counts as a divot. In other words, the soil has been exposed.🇦🇺👍
I play in Spain a lot and amature golfers are allowed lift and place on the fairway only so no punishment for divots this inc completion golf it’s really simple rule and Does Not slow up play and makes sure your rewarded for hitting a fairway
I'm South Africa you get a club length placing on fairways at most golf courses. Which I think is fair as if you hit the Fairway you should be rewarded with a good lie.
The stroke and distance rule is unfair. But it's the rules and tough breaks like that make golf like life (which is why we love it). My course is particularly punishing for any wayward shots. I work so hard to stay in play. But, as I'm get better I feel I've earned the scores! Having said all that however, it would speed the whole thing up being able to play 2 off the tee!
Vlogs are doing more for the game than the professional game in my opinion especially like Rick and Peter golf bidder and golf mates Liam Harrison’s products Rule change for me would definitely be free relief from a divot agreed by your marker
It should be a “spectator drop”. Let say you hit a drive a couple yards in to some high grass. You can’t understand how you can’t find it and now you need to tee of again or you take a penalty drop. But, if there was spectators they would easily find it, as they do on the pga tour and so on. A spectator drop would let you drop the ball in the high grass where the ball landed without penalty.
Doesn't really affect us weekend golfers, but for tour players when they've putted and it's on the lip of the hole and clearly still moving, there really shouldn't be a time limit. If that ball is still moving and rolls in, that should count as the same putt.
Would love to hear Ricks take on Bob MacIntyres free drop at the Scottish open! Does he think Bobs practise swing was in fact a practise swing or does he think it was a full swing that improved his lie and he only called the ref when he missed the ball?
The RA and USGA IMO have little regard for the everyday golfer. All pro sports evolve over the years such as replay challenges, pitch clocks, etc. Some pros play numbingly slow and the use of range finders could help speed up play in all aspects. The caddies are so good and figure the yardage out any way but it is slow process at times. What would it hurt. But the they won’t allow them and why? This goes for many aspects that could make good sense… And rolling back the golf balls for distance in the future, heck NO!
I think the 2 stroke penalty should stay if someone hits an obvious OB. As in, duck hooks it right into the OB area and is clearly lost. Now, if you hit slightly off-line (or even down the middle; I’ve lost fairway balls on leaf covered courses) and it’s reasonable to assume it’s stayed in bounds, then a free “gallery drop” should be awarded. The divot rule should apply if it’s an obvious divot and not a natural imperfection. If the ball is in a divot it should be one ball’s width left or right.
Divots in the fairway should be classified as GUR. And with today’s technology, NOBODY has an “incorrect” scorecard. And BTW, Rick: Tiger won’t swap with you, since he hates CZcams…..
Can we please stop with the fairway divots. If we truly look at it how many shots does it cost the average player maybe 1 per 10 rounds like more than that. You can't have play stopped every time this happens play is already slow enough for some people that would just cause 5 hours rounds to be regular. I fully agree with 2 off the tee or drop near where the ball went into the hazard area. Armatures shouldn't be penalized because we don't have spotters or a gallery to find our balls in the long grass or just off the fairway.
All over the world in the winter it's lift clean and place rules. Make it standard all the time. Doesn't affect pace at all. #1 cause of pace of play issues is golf courses running 8 minute tee times.
1st Tee shot of the day you should be able to have a breakfast ball, If not happy with it you can re-tee for no penalty, (Mulligan) Nobody wants to start the day off with a BAD tee shot.
Currently Model Local Rule E.25 is the rule you’re thinking of. 🤓 That’s when you go to where ball is deemed lost - 2 club lengths back onto fairway for 2 shot penalty
My league uses a six inch rule for divots in the fairway. All OB, lost balls, unplayable, etcetera are (counted) drops on the line or near last known spot. Very easy to remember, fair, and moves the game along quickly.
From the 2 or 3 off the tee (provisional) why can't that provisional ball be classed as the "second shot" very valid point from rick, not needing to waste time to try to find original, regardless the handicap
Not being able to move out of a divot is a bad rule someone should be fixing it then. I don’t understand the not being able to ground your club in the sand.
The 2 golf leagues that I play in league rule is you can move your ball a score card anyway you want at any time, no penalty! We aren’t getting paid to play LOL
Rather than removing the out of bounds penalty drop on the tee, would it not make more sense to just make all hazards lateral. That way if you hit out of bounds you have the choice to drop where it last went out and hit for 3 there or to hit from the tee again for 3.
He is right... what is a divot? How do you tell a divot that is one hour old vs. 3 days old. Rick says "everyone in the group should agree." Good luck with that in tournament golf.
Penalty/OB should be played as lateral. That is a lot of local rules but agree make it across the board. Free relief from a divot that is clearly defined and agreed by playing partners is great.
If you hit the ball in the rough or over in the fall leaves and don’t have the luxury of a spotter like the tour pros, free drop (no penalty) to replace your ball where you and the group agree it landed but is either plugged, under leaves. Speed up play free drop and move on.
Me and my buddies call that a “brovisional”… when you hit a good shot and can’t seem to find your ball so you drop without penalty
Generally agree, but you have to be realistic. I've played with guys who used the "lost under the leaves" concept to turn a 215 yard drive into a 270 yard drive. If you're playing on your own I guess you just need to hold yourself to account, obviously if playing in a group you can ask them about where you think a fair spot to drop would be.
Completely agree, if you’re turning 215 yard drives into 270 yard drives your score is meaningless imo.
@@MonsterERB that’s a very valid point. A buddy of mine was a real distance exaggerator. Don’t get me wrong, he could hit the ball a long way, but I remember he swore his ball carried this ravine that was like a 340 yard carry, I was like “my brother, you’re smoking crack”
I use to play in a club that had a seasonal leaf rule. It lead to people playing high risk shots blind, that they'd not normally try, knowing they could claim leaf rule for a lost ball. Playing sensible for position was then penalised.
If in a footprint in a bunker you get to rake and drop it back in the same spot of the bunker
I like the 2 off the tee rule in junction with the 3 from where it went out. Gives you another option, seems fair to me. Me and the boys always move out of the divot.. you can fix pitch marks on a green in your putt line, you shouldn't get a terrible lie because of another player playing the hole before you if you hit it in the fairway
Guy saying “sir guy to you” had me laughing lol
“Didn’t you get two pars in a row once” got me 😂😂
Guy was on form in this. Had me at “just play our own rules” when talking about 3 off the tee
Rick, I've never been a fan of podcasts but I'm loving these shorter clips that you've been putting out 👍
I think the rule about not being able to kick your ball out of a forest and say it was never in the forest, and that you actually you parred the last hole not triple bogeyed it as you think I did.
Yes, change the drop rule to be the arm extended out at waist height or just naturally from the side. This knee height is ridiculous.
Drop height should have been changed to from above the knee and below the waist.
I’d like all penalties etc. to be the same consequence. I usually know what the fault is but have trouble remembering which is two club lengths or one. Which is two penalty strokes and which is one. Make them all the same.
When you receive a penalty.. it is 2 clubs..whether it is a 1 or 2 stroke penalty. .... and if the relief is free it is one club length. Also..usually a 1 stoke penalty is given for things that occur as a result of playing a shot. 2 stroke penalties are usually when you do something naughty, or stupid, that you should not have done.
my big rule change: create divisions for competition - ranging from 100% traditional to fully modern. so one tournament can ban all electronics, and even restrict equipment, while another can allow all the electronics and aids the organizers want to allow; or anywhere in between.
Concept:
Masters- Lean traditional w/ electronic ban, more value in experienced, possibly give the caddie market a boost; Augusta already doesnt allow private recordings of the course, easy to adjust, plenty of history in the course to show how it evolved with the game and its practitioners
The Open- 100% traditional; speaks for itself being in the homeland of golf
US Open- 100% modern; plethora of courses of age, difficulty and infamy to test practitioners and push design and creativity to the edge( think like a profession greenkeepers revenge in a way); prime environment for brands and new ideas to promote product
Pga Champ- lean modern with equipment band; skills test of talent on the most difficult courses; would either establish common lofts or establish a range of lofts in categories such as “modern” “”semi-modern” or “traditional” and the yardage each club “should” get with x club head speed in no wind, mild wind, etc. Prime environment for the community to really see the difference between the average golfer and the pros and the bridge that can be built with the industry.
@@cancersilver9546 yep, that's the general idea.
Have a tour event where every person has to hand in a shopping list:
12 balls, no more than 3 dollars MSRP each
1 putter, no more than 200 dollars MSRP
3 wedges, combined no more than 250 MSRP
1 set of irons P-5 MSRP no more than 500.
3 choices of Hybrid, Utility or lower woods no more than 150 each.
1 3wood and 1 driver, combined value no more than 400 dollars.
The organizer then purchases all your stuff, marks it and you get the bag the day of the practice round
Thats a 14 club bag for 1500 dollars with "cheap" balls.
it will force every brand to have proper handicap 20 level equipment that is good bang for buck so amateurs can play without 600 dollar drivers.
or just do events that only allow blades (so no woods/drivers) and the following event that only allows mallets (so no irons, only hybrids)
All lost balls should be under the same rule. Whether it's OB, water, lost in trees/hedges/shrubs/leaves, etc, Drop where it was last in play or where it is agreed by the players to have been when lost, drop a new ball and add a stroke.
Divots, especially on public courses can be a real problem and it should be legal to move the ball either left or right up to the width of the ball as a free move.
Not as sure what to do about hitting into a divot in a bunker (People Too Lazy To Rake The Sand) as they can be even worse than ones in a fairway.
I find it easy to avoid the fairway divots by simply avoiding the fairway altogether
When I coached middle school golf, most of the tournaments had a local rule to allow players to roll the ball one revolution out of a fairway divot.
And if they got a lucky good lie in the rough did they have to roll it into a bad lie?
@@theythinkimmadyouknow
And your the reason golf is boring
@@Bomion why, because I dont cheat? Dont submit fake scores and play the game as its intended and just have fun with it rather than whine that my balls in a bit of a scrape in the ground? Yeah, I'm the dull one alright🤣🤣
@@theythinkimmadyouknow They're middle schoolers. You're a grown ass adult.
Calm down.
@@theythinkimmadyouknow explain to me why you’re allowed to fix a divot in your way on the green before you putt. That’s allowed right? Shouldn’t you just play it as it lies?
I love Golf and playing it as much as I can. But hate so many rules that penalize anything and everything as if we were playing professional golf for millions
That’s obviously the only way to uphold a fair handicap system for players that compete, regardless of level of competition, and most golf players play in competitions at least once or twice per season. Those who never compete can of course do what they want, but is it really funny to have a lower handicap than you are able to play within the rules?
@@andersedstrom1139 why would you even try to have a handicap if you don’t compete? And what does this have to do with tons of ridiculous rules?
7:20 “finished in the divot” 😏 lolol
For 2 off the tee, changing the language of the rule would be easy. Instead of "Stroke and distance", change it to "Stroke OR distance".
If “Players” is 5th major then we go back to 1974 when first “players” was played and include everyone who won it since 74” as a major winner. That would give Jack 3 more Majors, and Tiger 2 more.
Guy was absolutely hilarious on this, couldn’t stop laughing 😂😂😂
Guy's R&A character needs to be a recurring thing on this podcast from now on. The Granola eating, tree hugging, weed smoking leader of the R&A who wears hipster clothes and has an extensive vinyl collection... 🤣
My friends and I play "Spectator Rule" when it comes to lost balls in places that are in bounds (and not in major trouble). Where everyone saw it go just off the fairway into the rough but it's nowhere to be seen, maybe its under a leaf, maybe it went into a gopher hole, who knows. If there were spectators and cameras they could point you right to it because you know it was definitely in bounds still. So we just drop a free ball in a place we all agree is approximately where we saw it end.
I want to see a Guy vs. Rick video, where you guys play a course under 7,000 yrds or from the white tees, Guy with TM Mini and Rick with Callaway Mini!!! No drivers!
I would like to see free relief from other people's fairway divots. You should never get punished for finding the fairway.
I've always believed that a divot in the fairway should be ground under repair, free drop!!! And a lost ball should be a drop hitting your 3rd shot, going all the way back to the tee slows down play and is ridiculous, and out of bounds should be 2 off the tee, it seems so simple really.⛳⛳
I have always found the "lost golf ball" penalty for ammeture and lower level golf unfair. The professionals literally have people (and some times cameras) all the way down the hole to help them locate their wayward ball. If you can't find a ball, there should be no stroke penalty for a lost ball for everyone short of the pros.
I would agree with the suggestion of Guy, you take it as if you are playing whatever stroke is after the lost ball off the tee is or you take an additional stroke and play a drop from roughly where the ball was lost
Losing a $4 golf ball is penalty enough
@@atthebrink74 ... what abnout a 0.50 golf ball?😂
I hate playing courses with rough and leaves everywhere and you cannot find your ball even though you know 100% it didn’t go out of bounds, but it just is under a leaf
@@gerhardprasent3358 in this economy every dime matters
I absolutely hate when I hit a ball inbounds and can’t find it. Just the other week I hit a beautiful drive straight in the middle of the fairway, but we had so much rain here that the ball plugged so deep in the ground that I searched everywhere and couldn’t find it.
Funny thing is, I went golfing there five days after when it was all dry, and I saw the very top of that exact ball peeking up from the dirt.
But on the day I golfed, I had to take a drop and re-hit. Which ended up giving me a seven on a par four.
Frustrating indeed.
It's incredibly easy to lose balls for me. Even after playing golf for years I can stare at the ball when someone swings.
Frame 1: ball on tee. Frame 2: Driver head. Frame 3: Swing is complete. Frame 4: Ball has literally disappeared.
Doesn't matter if it's completely smashed down the middle of the fairway, there's a decent chance I will legitimately not see it.
I like a gallery drop rule. If we all see that the ball is in, but can't find it. Free drop where we all feel the ball would have been located if there was a gallery there watching the shot.
Gallery ball. We all saw it land right here....
If you want relief from divots, sand your divot +1. If everyone does that (as they are supposed to), the fairway condition improves, and nobody has to deal with a pockmark. If very few people do it (current status quo) then you get tears and lamentations. Sand your divots.
Not practical for the walkers (if you’re not walking you shouldn’t be playing) to be carrying sand. Curiously it’s the golfers in carts who NEVER sand or replace their divots.
@@alliejr Thats a weak excuse. I’ve got walkers on my squad. They carry sand AND… wait for it… sand their divots.
@@alliejrso many players can’t walk 6-8 miles but can definitely play with a cart. That’s a crazy take 🤪
I don't think I've played a local course in the last 10+ years that has even had sand available to the players. Fixing a divot as was taught to me, was replacing the patch of grass back on the mark. Sand was something you only saw on TV.
@@yetisdeuce1315 I’ve only played short courses, full munis, public courses, & country clubs in California, Texas, Kyushu, and the Kanto areas. From 1988 I’ve seen sand not be provided ONE time (in Texas). I’ve paid green fees from $400 to $24, I’ve never seen ZERO sand provided. You should play better courses. Dont trust ME. I’m another internet rando. Go look it up. Players are EXPECTED to sand their own divots and 1 extra. Not doing that is like spitting lougies indoors and complaining about how nasty it is.
hot take on OB, just play at a local municipal where there in no OB and you just hit from 2 fairways over lol.
Guy is genuinely hilarious 😂
Guy's cali accent is killing me 😂
I can just imagine the chairman of the R&A offering a splif to someone he just met a minute earlier. Sounds plausible! 🤣
This podcast is CERTAINLY a TOP 5 from you guys! And the rule changes are 100% good ideas!
When it comes to lost balls it can be quite irritating when there's virtually no difference between a lost ball and one that 's almost lost - (you just got lucky and found it) but rules are in place to keep the game fair. However I disagree with some of the rules on taking relief, for example when Bob MacIntyre recently got a free drop from a sprinkler head which happened to be in the middle of thigh high rough, or when people remove their ball from behind a tree because there happened to be rabbit scrapings nearby. Doubtless everyone will disagree but I believe you should always play the ball as it lies - you put it there.
I’m really enjoying the clubhouse podcast episodes, the guys behind the camera chipping into the conversation adds something different too
I'm going to keep it 100: I already take relief from bad fairway lies in divots. You shouldn't get punished for hitting a fairway. I do like the 2 off the tee proposition, though I wont actually use it unless it get implemented. I also just drop however i feel like it, sometimes i just toss it lol. The other rule I have for myself is the "a spotter would know where it is" rule where if i know it is in bounds but I cant find it, I take a drop at my best guess. Also I suck at golf and dont play any tournaments so nothing really matters
I think 3 off the tee is fair for OB if you can’t keep your golf ball on the property. HOWEVER, tree lined courses where there is no chance for finding your ball in bounds should be marked as hazards.
Where I grew up our local course was sparse grass, simply not enough water or money for huge maintenance - so local rule was anywhere on the fairway you had a clublength no closer to the hole to move your ball (regardless whether in a divot or not) so you had a chance of getting the ball onto some grass/weeds. I dont think it's unreasonable to have this implemented everywhere - if you want to keep it old-worldly strict for top-level events, then have at it.
Just play preferred at all times through the general area....solves at lot other peripheral rules related to drops
Very excited to see the changes the new leader of the R&A “English-approximation-of-a-hip-American-stoner” brings to the game
Excellent - keep putting this segment out on CZcams please
Stroke and distance rule:
Agree that a factual 2 penalty strokes from hitting OOB (especially on narrow courses) is quite a severe punishment.
if you hit a par 3 OOB you suddenly need a hole in 1 to make par.
Divots:
If the ball is actually below fairway level (as in bridging a club over the ball without it touching is possible) you should get a free drop, but just a shallow divot that's 4 months old shouldn't give relief. if the ground is so muddy or there are wheeltracks, same test, bridge your club over the ball, if the ball is actually not touching the club you can drop it in 1 clublenght.
Dropping/placing
In cases where you get a penalty stroke it should be place, in case of free drops it should remain drop.
Otherwise you have a better chance of a good lie by aiming for a shelterhouse and placing it next to it than to actually aim correctly.
Really funny chaps, am on holiday in CZ with the family and love this little bit of escapism 👍👍 excellent stuff Guy 👍
No more loss of distance on a lost ball - I've lost balls in the middle of the fairway! Just drop and move on.
Most comps that i play make you take a drop for 4 a metre on the fairway laterally where you think your ball ended up but can't find
If you want to retee, you hit for 2 BUT you forfeit your first ball regardless of if you find it.
It stops people from hitting 2 balls for giggles and taking the 2nd one if they don't like where the first one is (can't find it on purpose)
This speeds up everything
They should get rid of putting. 😡
The "play as it lies" from a divot in the fairway IMO. Getting penalized for hitting the fairway(in my case, super rare), doesn't make sense.
Agreed!
Listened to this on the podcast and was howling. Came back to watch guys performance
BEST vid of the year , guys , so funny
Protect our golf courses- get rid of the tees
I haven't seen many videos here, but this was by far the best one!
Please keep posting the clubhouse episodes to CZcams.
I don’t know about hitting two off the tee is a good idea. It seems like it would save time. but the reality is, everyone hitting a slightly bad shot would be hitting a provisional, just in case. And then make no real attempt to look for their ball. But I absolutely agree about getting a free drop if you hit your ball into a divot, or any other imperfection in the fairway, for that matter. The fairway, just like the green, it’s supposed to be in relatively good condition. And that’s actually a rule that me and my friends play by. We allow each other to roll the ball. You should never be punished for hitting a good shot.
I like these Friday podcast clips on youtube.
I agree with the OB rule proposal - 2 off the tee or back on line with 3.
3 off the tee should be a rule that stays, hit a provisional if you are close to OB. Lift and place/drop out of divots I agree with
My favorite rule idea is PIN IS IN. Any ball which clearly strikes the pin is considered holed. Never take the pin out, speed up play, lower scores, exciting finishes, what’s not to love. ❤
We play for lost balls that we drop 2 club lengths on fairway for 3 off the tee or from where it was lost or goes ob. But obviously not in competition. It’s no difference to hitting a good shot from the tee for second shot but because you have been penalised it’s only fair to be on fairway hitting forth. So why risk taking a provisional off the tee and possibly losing another ball or hitting into rough and wasting time for the group behind.
So I would be onboard for either rule to be an option take 2 off tee or drop on fairway near to where it was lost or went ob.
Didn’t know yall did this show was excited I actually had something to watch
Imagine being punished for smashing it at the very center of the fairway and getting a worse lie that you would have had in the mid rough. You should be allowed to play preferred lie (inside a one scorecard semi-circumference) for every shot ended up in fairway (if you're in the rough then play as it lies obviously)
If you swap with Tiger what would you do first? Go buy a fancy thing with all your money or go right to the range and hit a shot in each of the boxes?
Ball drop - Extend the arm out on aprox 45 deg angle to that the release is at waist hight. I'm 280 pounds 6-1 with bad knees. that's all I can take. 😆
This is definitely not the first time Guy has done roll play 😂😂😂
Guy was on fire today!!
I hardly go ob anymore myself... but I whole heartedly agree with the idea of changing that rule
The Divot rule really needs to go.
The other rule that winds me up is the lost ball that's not OB and only lost because nobody saw it down and it's trickled 2 yards off the fairway and as a result you spend 3 minutes looking in the wrong place. You then drop, take the penalty and walk 10 yards and stumble across your original ball and that's just bad luck. That to me is a double penalty you've taken a drop further back from likely a worse lie and taken a penalty for the privillage of doing so. If your original ball is playable and you find it you should be able to renominate it as your ball in play and carry on without penalty. Lets face it in competition at tour level you have people running around with markers with the players name on there are no lost balls only difficult lies.
What about every cart on a course carry several seed jugs to fill divots so people can grab a handful in passing carts to fill your divots
I think Guy was just getting a little TOO into his character 😂. Thoroughly enjoyable and couldn’t agree more with the content. If the grass surface has obviously been disturbed below the surrounding level then it counts as a divot. In other words, the soil has been exposed.🇦🇺👍
I’m a firm believer in bringing back the clean and place rule and also the foot wedge. 😳
I play in Spain a lot and amature golfers are allowed lift and place on the fairway only so no punishment for divots this inc completion golf it’s really simple rule and Does Not slow up play and makes sure your
rewarded for hitting a fairway
I'm South Africa you get a club length placing on fairways at most golf courses. Which I think is fair as if you hit the Fairway you should be rewarded with a good lie.
The stroke and distance rule is unfair. But it's the rules and tough breaks like that make golf like life (which is why we love it). My course is particularly punishing for any wayward shots. I work so hard to stay in play. But, as I'm get better I feel I've earned the scores! Having said all that however, it would speed the whole thing up being able to play 2 off the tee!
Vlogs are doing more for the game than the professional game in my opinion especially like Rick and Peter golf bidder and golf mates Liam Harrison’s products Rule change for me would definitely be free relief from a divot agreed by your marker
It should be a “spectator drop”.
Let say you hit a drive a couple yards in to some high grass. You can’t understand how you can’t find it and now you need to tee of again or you take a penalty drop. But, if there was spectators they would easily find it, as they do on the pga tour and so on. A spectator drop would let you drop the ball in the high grass where the ball landed without penalty.
Doesn't really affect us weekend golfers, but for tour players when they've putted and it's on the lip of the hole and clearly still moving, there really shouldn't be a time limit. If that ball is still moving and rolls in, that should count as the same putt.
Would love to hear Ricks take on Bob MacIntyres free drop at the Scottish open! Does he think Bobs practise swing was in fact a practise swing or does he think it was a full swing that improved his lie and he only called the ref when he missed the ball?
Love this. Need it on CZcams!
This one had me laughin so hard
All make complete sense, seriously how can we get these changed!
The RA and USGA IMO have little regard for the everyday golfer. All pro sports evolve over the years such as replay challenges, pitch clocks, etc. Some pros play numbingly slow and the use of range finders could help speed up play in all aspects. The caddies are so good and figure the yardage out any way but it is slow process at times. What would it hurt. But the they won’t allow them and why? This goes for many aspects that could make good sense… And rolling back the golf balls for distance in the future, heck NO!
Guy’s got his chompers done
I think the 2 stroke penalty should stay if someone hits an obvious OB. As in, duck hooks it right into the OB area and is clearly lost.
Now, if you hit slightly off-line (or even down the middle; I’ve lost fairway balls on leaf covered courses) and it’s reasonable to assume it’s stayed in bounds, then a free “gallery drop” should be awarded.
The divot rule should apply if it’s an obvious divot and not a natural imperfection. If the ball is in a divot it should be one ball’s width left or right.
2nd shot off the tee after lost ball … makes so much sense
Divots in the fairway should be classified as GUR. And with today’s technology, NOBODY has an “incorrect” scorecard. And BTW, Rick: Tiger won’t swap with you, since he hates CZcams…..
Can we please stop with the fairway divots. If we truly look at it how many shots does it cost the average player maybe 1 per 10 rounds like more than that. You can't have play stopped every time this happens play is already slow enough for some people that would just cause 5 hours rounds to be regular. I fully agree with 2 off the tee or drop near where the ball went into the hazard area. Armatures shouldn't be penalized because we don't have spotters or a gallery to find our balls in the long grass or just off the fairway.
All over the world in the winter it's lift clean and place rules. Make it standard all the time. Doesn't affect pace at all. #1 cause of pace of play issues is golf courses running 8 minute tee times.
@@ProffessorJoe BINGO.
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This was gold! Love this!
1st Tee shot of the day you should be able to have a breakfast ball, If not happy with it you can re-tee for no penalty, (Mulligan) Nobody wants to start the day off with a BAD tee shot.
Currently Model Local Rule E.25 is the rule you’re thinking of. 🤓
That’s when you go to where ball is deemed lost - 2 club lengths back onto fairway for 2 shot penalty
Agreed. The challenge is to get YOUR/MY COURSE to adopt it 🙄
My league uses a six inch rule for divots in the fairway. All OB, lost balls, unplayable, etcetera are (counted) drops on the line or near last known spot. Very easy to remember, fair, and moves the game along quickly.
From the 2 or 3 off the tee (provisional) why can't that provisional ball be classed as the "second shot" very valid point from rick, not needing to waste time to try to find original, regardless the handicap
If your lie in the middle of the fairway isn't perfect, take a free drop. You have my permission.
Not being able to move out of a divot is a bad rule someone should be fixing it then. I don’t understand the not being able to ground your club in the sand.
The 2 golf leagues that I play in league rule is you can move your ball a score card anyway you want at any time, no penalty! We aren’t getting paid to play LOL
We just call it playing it up
Rather than removing the out of bounds penalty drop on the tee, would it not make more sense to just make all hazards lateral. That way if you hit out of bounds you have the choice to drop where it last went out and hit for 3 there or to hit from the tee again for 3.
I've seen a few courses use the lateral hazard for OB as a local rule. Speeds things up
This is how most people play, especially if you play public courses.
Free relief from hitting ball in divot in fairway 🎯
He is right... what is a divot? How do you tell a divot that is one hour old vs. 3 days old. Rick says "everyone in the group should agree." Good luck with that in tournament golf.
Lets make ready golf the standard