The 2024 Mustang Dark Horse S650 is Shockingly Impressive
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The Mustang Darkhorse is a 500HP NA beast that I wasn't expecting to be MUCH better than the new 2024 Mustang GT S650. I couldn't have been more wrong - and that's a good thing. The new Dark Horse eliminates a ton of the Mustang "isms" like wheel hop, body roll, and so much more. Its the first time in a long time I've gotten in a car and said "yeah I don't know what I would modify."
With it's 500HP Coyote V8, better suspension, and a little bit different of an interior - this thing is truly something else. So let's go for a drive!
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Just lose the hair and rock it. I did it, everyone can. Let nature take its course😅
I know this is random considering you just did this review on a mustang but you should do a video on the Plymouth Prowler!! Never seen a review done on one in these modern times!!
The screen really brings the vehicle into the modern world so it has the best of the electric car world but still with true power and fumes
It needs the strips you could always do what you want to do after it's not supposed to look exactly like a GT it's the Dark Horse with a good eye they know what they're dealing with when they see one and if not then they'll get a good surprise when it creeps out of the dark like a stallion full of piss and vinegar
It's a vehicle that even Batman would drive as Bruce Wayne
It’s super impressive until you look at dealerships absolutely ruining this car by pricing it at 100K+
How is it “super impressive” when the Mach 1 is better
@@BrainFuck10 depends on how you look at it. Dark horse has far better interior and better headroom for N/A. Yes the old ones have slightly more HP than the new one but thats not the entire story
It's shockingly impressive when ford pays you to say it
@@macbook802you nailed it. The S650 is just like a new edge update to sn95. #whack💩
@@macbook802i don’t think he would sell out like that
I know it's cliche to compare a new car to a used car, but man I feel like this thing is hard to justify over a lot of other options. Even with the power, the weight is really high.
I feel you, got my 5th gen 1le for 25k put another 25k building it how I want and its perfect for me for 50k all in handles better than most cars I come across
@@mikewozawski1634heck, I have a LS3 C6 with cam/headers, I'm sure I could run down a hellcat and handle pretty well too!
@@androiduberalles yea I haven't touched the motor yet. Everything else is done tho haha. I really want a c6 or c5 one day, maybe another 4th gen firebird too the addiction is real haha
Why do people think its so heavy? it only weighs 158lbs more than the gt350 and 222lbs LESS than the gt500.
@@goo_fam0198the gt350 is heavy too though 😅. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome and I'd love to have that V8, but she kinda thiq though.
Say what you want, but the Mustang is the last of the main 3 muscle cars to keep its V8.
correction the camaro is gone and the charger and challenger are now soy
First to go electric tho 😂
I love that! "Now soy" 🤣🤣@@musclecarenjoyer
@@joflo5-0h99better word than gay 😂
I work at a Ford dealership and there's a chance the V8 will discontinue in 2026 so Ford can instead sell Ecoboosts or hybrids... idk.
The hate on the new mustang is so ridiculous, thank you David for having a realistic view
Glad i'm not the only one that really likes the Dark Horse
I have a 2019 Shelby GT350 I brought from the previous owner in 2020 with 2400 miles I love my GT350 its one of my best cars I ever owned now I have a little over 13k miles and still love the sound and handling what’s shocking about the dark house is that’s it cost more than than what I paid for my GT350 In my opinion is a better car than the dark horse….even the GT Mustang is pretty pricey….I would encourage anybody who is considering a dark horse please look into getting a GT350 before dishing out money for dealer mark ups for car that’s not worth more than a GT350….it’s like when the new Corvette came out paying for a base C8 when you can get a C7 ZR 1 for the same price with manual transmission these car companies and dealers need to realize when they allow outrageous prices for there pockets they are actually losing their fan base
I wish rather than changing the interior to a more techy environment. They focused on cutting weight and increasing steering feel. The s650 could have been a way more interesting car for me. In a time when i can't check my phone well driving, but i continue to get more touch screen controls, i think we have to ask ourselve, are these controls even safe? Let alone user friendly compared to buttons and knobs.
agreed, they definitely aren't safer than texting while driving. Great name btw. Based
Back in the day i bought a 2012 ford edge for a daily. It had what i thought to be a cool feature with its touchscreen and touch capacitive buttons. I couldn't have been any more wrong about that. You had to take your eyes off the road every time just to change the AC. Radio controls were meh. Dual climate control sucks. Im all about simplicity and a single knob for face/floor heating and cooling and fan speed. So much easier to do on the fly. Plus having click buttons for a radio station is such a better and safer way to drive.
The front is ugly and the gauge section looks retawded
boomer
Too many screens, I had a S550 PP1 and loved the interior.
This car shows you fast a car can be with just 400-500HP if you have a good suspension setup and a good power to weight ratio to be able to put the power down.
You don’t need 700-1000HP to be fast. Most people when modding their car only care about HP mods. They totally disregard a good suspension setup and wonder why their car doesn’t perform better and adding more HP is not the answer.
The most appropriate comment ever.
L take.
They're selling for Corvette prices but could never touch one on any track or surface on the planet. Not even starting to mention cars like the BMW M5, RS3, and countless other better vehicles at that price point.
@@URsooomad8613So every car thats supposed to sell for “corvette prices” are supposed to compete with the corvette? the corvette and the mustang are two entirely different cars the corvette is a mid engine track car and the mustang is a modern muscle car you obviously dont know much about how cars if youre comparing everything to the corvette and for the record the gtd will ruin ANY stock c8 z06 or on the track and you dont have to pay dealer markups unlike the 140k over msrp z06
I mean thats comment sense imo cause why up hp not put it down ?
@@URsooomad8613but they offer a manual. Something you can’t get in a corvette. They are definitely worth a look and the coyote is miles better than the current Vette engine offerings should you want to boost later on. Let’s hope tuning becomes available.
I'm glad this review turned out well and I'm even more glad that he mentioned the GT350 and Mach 1 being really good as well. The Dark Horse is gonna be very expensive.. But if you have 45k to 65k..You still can afford a GT350 with low miles as well as a Mach 1 on the used market..👍🏽🏁
What an amazing journey for you, David. It's been awesome watching your growth through the years. Thank you for your real perspective and engaging content.
I like how my 23 Mach 1 sounds with the factory mufflers. I did put a x-pipe on it, but that didn't void the warranty.
I like the Dark Horse (interior aside) but what I'm most curious about is a direct comparison of it and the Mach 1. The Dark Horse is basically the Mach 1 in the new gen, nothing special about it other than being slightly uptuned performance from new gen... and a gigantic cost increase. Everyone was all negative about Mach 1 being a 'parts bin special', but that's literally what the Dark Horse is as well.
Every car from every manufacturer is a parts bin special. Stupid argument. That’s how companies stay in business, if they made new specific parts for every single vehicle they’d be out of business in a heart beat.
@@19hundoc47straw man
Absolutely love this car... can't wait to see how it performs on track.
The sound of that Coyote never gets old. Especially with a good exhaust it is chef's kiss.
Hey David very good video!!! Thanks for checking the DH out!!! I like the car. I see that the guys up in Wisconsin dynode the DH getting 444.8 to the rear wheels. Taking out the carbon filter in the tubes increased the peak HPW to 449.8~~ so 450 rwhp. That’s amazing. If you get the Recaro seats that’s 36 pounds less. Magnesium rims bring down another 40+ pounds. Do a few other reductions and you can reduce the overall weight to ~~3630 pounds. Do some bolt-ons & E-85 and you should get 530 rwhp easily so this will be a fun daily driver.
Doing that will make this an awesome daily driver car that sounds very good! I plan on getting a DH. Also waiting on the GT-500 to be released!!! The guys from Middleton Sports in Wisconsin are showing the quality of the car. Ford engineers stated at a closed-meeting discussion that the ECU/ECM encryption was released to Whipple, RTR, & Ford Performance. So getting a decent output with boost should work out nicely. StangMode already put on a Whipple SC on a Dark Horse. Cheers
Thanks again David!!!💪😎👍🇺🇸✝️😮
I'm curious why all of the Dyno videos of the Dark Horse are very lack luster....but this is the only one showing anyone getting excited about it's power? Not trolling - seriously.
GREAT REVIEW!!! I knew the hype would be real! Thanks for confirming it.
The issue for me is the locked ECU.
It’ll be unlocked by someone soon enough
@@mikelowe9198 Hopefully... That's what people said about the c8 corvette and supra and yet it's been years with little improvement :/
@@SpeedySpartanThe C8 ECM was finally unlocked earlier this year by HP Tuners so they are tunable except the ZO6. The TCM hasn’t been unlocked yet though
@@SpeedySpartansupras ecu isn't locked really. It depends on what year model u got tbh. If it's over a 2022 model mk5 it's locked. If it's under a 22 then it's been unlocked and people have been throwing power at them for sometime now.
At least Whipple and Ford are working together.
Apparently this beast weighs 3995 lbs, with 500 at the crank allowing some drive train loss honest 390 wheel
I'll stick with my worked foxbody ... 2850lbs 480 crank /370 wheel hp
Build it out for handling and that's probably way more fun. Wide sticky tires, with coilovers and some other bits like sway bars, endlinks etc.
500 crank isn’t 390 rear wheel horsepower. It’s probs more like 430-440.
I have a 98 mustang GT and lemme tell you it ain’t fast but it sounds sooooo good 😂
Went from a 2018 10speed gt to a 10 speed Dark Horse.. Wow the suspension is impressive!! Lots of power haven't ran it yet but I can already tell!!
If I didn’t love my 2018, GT conv. so much I would seriously consider a Dark Horse. But my GT has magna ride, perf pack, active exhaust, 10 speed, and forged wheels. And I LOVE CONVERTIBLES. I priced out a loaded. Dark Horse in Canada, minus carbon fibre wheels and it was $93,000. Youch! Great review.
I still have to go with a ‘23 Gt500 over a ‘24 Dark Horse!
Crazy to think I've been watching your videos for like 12 years
S550 10R80 GT is king for me value for performance wise when you mod them.
AGREED!!!!!
All they did was make the front end really ugly...and changed the dashboard and a few other features and charged alot more money.
You really need to do more research on this vehicle because you are clearly in the "dark" (pun intended) as far as the enhancements made to it. You're only judging its looks and not its overall performance. Vast majority would disagree with your ugly front end comment......really?? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - guess you're just not much of a beholder! LOL
I agree, theres absolutely no difference other then screens and the unusual front end.
@@TH3ROCKSTAR - Ever hear the expression, "Don't judge a book by its cover?" That is just what you are doing! Try reading up on the variety of mechanical, etc. changes made to this car rather than just making an appearance statement.
After driving the S650 it is hands down the best Mustang, it no longer bucks and it goes smoothly about everything it does. No more tramlining down the road just straight ahead. If your all about the numbers get S550, if you like a solid feels well put together Mustang get the S650 its just so much more car. Go drive one and wright off the bat you will be able to tell the difference this thing has no wind noise at all it and it is so much more refined compare to the S550 which is a rattle trap.
Yes 🙌 this is the video I have been waiting for 👍
This was my first sports car. And wow. I am so lucky. Thanks for this video. I don't know half of your jargon. But I've learned.
I love my Dark Horse.
More DH enthusiasm than anyone else so far. Glad to hear it!
For the price tag it should've came with the 5.2, the car ran a 12.5 in the quarter but hopefully ford updates the car to be better
MSRP is a reasonable price. But factor in Dealer shits... It's ridiculous.
You'll see much better times in short order.
The voodoo is great and unique but the coyote is much more bulletproof so they're smart to go with the coyote
@@hpharold23 not for 79k
@@1262tezzo MSRP is 59K
Just bought a 23' Eruption Green GT and man I'm glad I didn't get a 24'
"It puts the power down well" also weighs like a boat lol. Nonetheless pretty cool car i guess.
the best mustang ever, this dark horse is so cool, i would buy this in a manual 100 percent
This video makes me wish I had the means to have a mustang. Hats off to you for making what you love your career
Factory Drift car really says it all, nothing else matters.
Absolutely spectacular, I hope and prey it comes to Australia 🇦🇺 ❤
8:18 Living on the edge there, LOL.
Been a fan since around 2012/2013 Love all the content!!! I can’t wait to be at Cosmic Drift in October. The wife and I got paddock passes. Hope to see you around, would love to get a pic or an autograph on my favorite hat. Lol 😂 (cheesy i know) but your content get me super into cars.
The whole point of being a gear head was having something fast that was seemingly crazy. Too many people watch the new fast and furious, the first 4 actually somewhat had cars and engines upgrades that were feasible
Historic moment on the channel🎉
Definitely cool to see Ford truly trying to build a genuine enthusiast car. The tremec, the RTR styled grille. All just little hints that they know will make people know that in fact, they do care c:
This is what you get when you swap a Coyote into a Camaro SS 1LE.. Except the diff is not as good, and the Trans is much weaker than the TR6060 in the SS 1LE..
It’s very nice, definitely a mustang someone could keep stock and have fun. It could be a really nice daily, especially in an auto.
Beautiful car! This thing is a sweetheart
Lol. Most of the haters throwing shade couldn't afford to buy a brand new car of any description, let alone this beast!
I'm torn on the looks but that thing sounds absolutely amazing. Drooooool.
It looks good but I like the look of the S650 GT with proformance pack and the night pony package better.
I agree. The dark horse looks like it has bags under it's eyes
@@deebrandt007 Exactly.
The emblem reminds me of the transformer emblem put on a yellow camaro. I agree with your friend.
Wonderful content.
Crank HP to WHP is something you should understand a little better when putting your words out there. Love the vids ❤
This New mustang gt dark horse is amazing....... Greetings from india 🇮🇳🤩🤠🤠
I’m sorry, long time viewer, this was one of the biggest disappointing fords I’ve seen yet. Slight power increase for a heavier worse performing car that’s marked up to high heaven. This thing costs more than a GT350 with far worse performance. It’s gimmicky and even though it has some improvements to the old model, they’re very small in the big picture and they basically figured out how to sell you less for more. It’s going to take a lot to get me to like it.
fr bro let me down tryna hype this dud up
How do you figure it costs more than a GT350?
@@tri3pleagentin my area, Gt350 is around $50k-$60k. Darkhorse $65-$75k. I mean it by the price being higher. Looks worse imo and costs more, performs worse. Nothing I want.
@@brendanarana6178 fair enough...the 350 is supposed to perform better, as it has more power. This is really a Mach 1 replacement and it outperforms that car. The price increases across the board for the new car are insane, tho.
@@brendanarana6178 - The Darkhorse starts at $57,900. The 2020 GT350 started at $61,600. Must be your dealer screwing you!
Unfortunately, the dyno's I have seen does not justify its $100k plus price tag. I have seen from the 380's to the max I've seen at 418. No way.
Revan Evans did a dyno run on one and it made 435 at the wheels and with simple no cost mods got it to 455 stock. These low dyno numbers were on cars before 500 miles which Ford limits the horsepower.
I would love to get one of these!!!
I finally took delivery of mine yesterday, and while I was signing my life away, the guy that I was working with tells me that he's basically in the dog house now, and it's my fault. He said that after he saw mine in person, now he wants one so bad, but his wife said no 😂
Curious why buy a darkhorse at that price point? And. Being heavy vs the last generation
@@calvinmauney5669 I'm paralyzed, so I need an automatic, so a GT350 is out. It's also going to be my daily driver, so I wanted it to be naturally aspirated, so GT500 is out. I like the look of the new ones. I also like the tech, and they may be a little heavier, but they're also more powerful.
Congratulations
Did you adjust the steering to track settings? I think it’s too firm and on my custom mode I use sport steering with track exhaust
I saw a blue soft top at my dealership that mustang looks amazing in person🚫🧢🤝🤔
The way it looks......it reminds me of a GT350, a Mach 1 and a Boss 302 all in one
This appears to, e the base Dark Horse as it does not have the added aero kit and larger wheels and tires. It does have the basic performance stuff from the GT but there is a $4,500 added Dark Horse Performance Pack.
Damn that's nice. 👌
Love it
This is the last of the last. That body shape is different for me. But cool. Fast. Beautiful. ❤❤
The GTD Mustang is gonna be crazy tho🏆
100+LBS Heavier & not enough of a power jump to compensate for the weight gain difference.
Blue, great review. I dig everything about this car and the interior too. I would spec the car exactly like this.
Looks like a fun car.
🔥🔥🔥
I'm surprised u like the sound. It sounds like they made it quieter. I'll take your word for it tho. Great review 👌
I like it !!! 😎
Did you ever get to drive a manual Mach 1? How do you think it compares to it?
Saw one of these driving through Helen Ga over the weekend, that you?!
I see a dark horse in his future...my all time favorite version of the mustang the boss 302 and the 67 Eleanor
Does the dash screen seem too close to the driver? It’s RIGHT THERE!. Wouldn’t the steering wheel block parts of it since it’s not set back into the dash?
Did you turn off traction control while you were doing the pulls?
Awesome review as always! I think the darkhorse is a great car for what you get right out the box. You really don’t have to do anything to it. Have to remember this is the first gen of it as well. It’s only going to get better. Imagine if they introduce the next gen just like the s550 it’ll improve even more.
Good ol butt Dino, can’t never doubt it!
Such a beautiful stang😭😭😭 thanks for showing us!!
I was going to buy this but decided to buy five S197 5.0s instead. Now I get to match my car with my outfit every day.
It’s a logo off a bottle of wine lmao 🤣
Brooo
Ok putting Triple 7 on the map!
I don't like ford at all but BUT this mustang is really looking 👀 wow the bullit and this really pulling my strings 😮 500 HP N/A is phenomenal
IMO go A10. I've owned many manuals from Civics, Integra GSR, 88 GT, 99 Roush Stage 2, 03 Cobra, 02 Camaro SS, 19 1SS 1LE, but these newer 10 speeds aren't your old 4 speed automatics like in say my 03 Lightning that are so stubborn to want to downshift and play. My 18 F150 5L with a 10R80, and an AML tune is just so damn good, playful, and willing to shift. I would rather swap a 10R80 in my L than add a Whipple for street use. The 10R80 is that good. Everyone always wants to hype their halo car using a manual, and knock automatic transmissions until the car's getting its ass kicked in a Streetfire.... I mean YT video, and then it becomes, "well the Camaro or Challenger Fat Pack had an automatic. If the Mustang GT had a 10R80 it would of won." Then outside of said video, they'll go right back to hyping a manual over an automatic transmission.
I like to drive a manual. I honestly get it, manuals are fun to drive, and they're cool. I could see getting a Dark Horse with a manual if you prioritize the driving experience over maximizing the cars performance, but I would never consider buying a S650 Mustang GT with a MT82 over a 10R80. Furd should be F'in ashamed if themselves for pricing a new GT as high as they have, and then giving it a crappy, weak, budget, Chinese made MT82 over a Tremec. I bought my 19 1SS 1LE for $39,750 brand new, and the TR6060 was excellent, and better in every way (from a transmission standpoint) to every MT82 equipped MGT I've driven. Not only will it handle way more abuse, and power, but it's refinement, and smoothness is a level above the MT82 as well. Coming from T56 cars, the TR6060 was a real pleasure to drive. I mean it rows gears almost as nice as a Honda performance car manual transmission which is impressive for a transmission as beefy, and strong as a T56 based unit.
This is a tough one because I think most people are rightfully concerned about the weight. They can obviously not feel the improvements of the Dark Horse as they watch videos. Motortrend says 3.7 for the 10r80 version but the tremec seems way too slow in the low 4s. I think the real problem is Ford needs to cater to two types of mustang buyers: 1)Someone who wants the best manual and excellent handling and steering feel (lacking in mustangs) and 2)A larger displacement mustang that is more focused on 0-60 and quarter mile times with likely the 10r80 or some dual clutch that doesn't cost 80K. Maybe the 5.2 without the supercharger in the GT500. Needs about 525 hp and 450 or above torque. That mustang doesn't need a 7200-7500 rpm redline, 6500-7000 would be more than enough. It's hard to please everyone but it's clear some mustang fans don't like the performance numbers they are seeing.
Love the backend, front end not so much. Nor the screen. I guess I'm a fan of normal gauges.
Thank you for your perspective.
Just curious did the pp S650 exhibit wheel hop?
I am curious how this car would stack up to an S550 with steeda'a stop the hop kit?
In other videos I watched I recall hearing that the dark horse has its own specific steering rack but nothing in regards to stopping the hop so wonder what they did?
Regardless thanks for your perspective sir.
He said it does not wheel hop at all
It looks and sounds great and I’m sure it feels great too but idk if it justifies close 80k price tag on it tbh. For that price you can get a Shelby GT500 or 350R and you can get a Camaro ZL1 1le. Had this car stayed in the 60k price tag then yes it would totally make a lot of sense
Im not a mustang fan by no means but......i really like the way this one looks
I'm still not too hot on the trunk/decklid, but the s650 is definitely a mean looking car...
Had my local dealer put me on a list for one. It’s a shame I had to back out after a $35k mark up.
I love the video! I'm not sure if I like how the Dark Horse looks…
Is that wheel as huge in person as it looks on camera? It looks like what you once called it a Lego Hand wheel or something of that sort
It’s a great car I’m sure,but for the money they’re asking for this thing,($62,000-$72,000),you could make mods to your S550 and outperform this thing for a lot less money,(and I think I’d rather have a 2021-2023 Mach 1 anyway,(I think it’s a better car overall,for the money)!
Mach 1 is great but the DH just looks so much better. imo
If you have a near new S550 this car is probably not for you. Why upgrade from 3-5 year old car.
Don’t even need to these dark horses are only making 390-400 on the dyno! Ford dropped the ball again
AGREED!!!!
Revan Evans did a dyno run on one and it made 435 at the wheels and with simple no cost mods got it to 455 stock. These low dyno numbers were on cars before 500 miles which Ford limits the horsepower until you pass the 500 mile mark then the car opens up.
How is the quick shifter?
I wonder if they took out the carbon filter inside the intake to make 500 horse on the Dark Horse from the 480
There was a time that Mustangs and Vettes gave you equal or better performance than it’s competitors for a fraction of the price. A performance bargain that was obtainable by the working man. But unfortunately do to dealer ship markup’s Mustangs and Corvettes have become just as expensive if not more than the competition and no longer obtainable for a lot of people.
I had a DH premium on order but a zl1 ended up popping up at the right time so I cancelled. It’s a shame I’ll never get the chance to own a 24’ for the foreseeable future but given the nature of this Gen I think I made the right call.
Definitely. ZL1> this any day of the week. The only thing keeping me from buying a 1SS 1LE or used ZL1 is the rear right blind spot. I didn't drive one but I did sit in a ZL1 and it's literally dangerous. I don't know if you can get used to it over time like owners say or if you can avoid it with using the mirrors but maybe driving it is a different story than just sitting there, like I did. The Camaro is a better car than the Mustang in every single way.
Not really the Mustang is faster around a track the Mach 1 is faster then the 1LE as Motor Trend stated already and the GT500 carbon pack will gap a ZL1. As a a daily the Mustang is so much better than the Camaro thats why it out sold the Camaro so badly. No one wanted a Camaro thats why it is gone after 24 and will be a 4 door SUV next.
Dealer markup is absurd on these, the total price I've seen at some Oregon Ford dealers eclipses the GT500 a few years back during the pandemic! Love this car, but hate the Ford dealerships. Great review by the way!
Shouldn’t the drift brake have been on the outside of the shifter?
What's wrong with some regular gauges? I know we already are driving computers but does it have to that in your face?
8:03 that red M3 though.....