P8S Phase 2 Guide - Pandaemonium Abyssos Savage Eighth Circle
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This is a guide to the fight P8S Phase 2 (Hephaistos) in the game Final Fantasy XIV (FFXIV).
As this guide is coming out quite a while after release, PF in your region might be doing mechanics slightly or totally differently. This guide is to help explain how the different mechanics work and suggest at least one way of resolving them. Other better strats will likely be discovered (or already exist) but this guide shows what worked best for me.
0:00 Introduction
2:18 Natural Alignment 1
10:32 High Concept (Alchemy Explained)
12:42 High Concept 1
17:29 Limitless Desolation
19:14 Natural Alignment 2 (Inverse Magicks)
21:51 High Concept 2
26:56 Dominion (Soft Enrage)
29:32 Special Thanks! - Hry
Important note for people doing this fight in PF: My NA strat (1-tile) is not currently common in PF. Joonbob has recently put out a video showing the Scripe(Echo) strat that is far more common, so I recommend giving that a watch before jumping into a phase 2 party.
czcams.com/video/jzTot-FozsA/video.html
The best guide makers in the game shouting each other out is literally so good
My enjoyment from Eden Promise to Panda has been improved fourfold thanks to you and Joonbob (haha get it)
NA1 Stack/Spread in your video is wayyyy better that scripe. I have no idea why people still use scripe but its standard pf.
Thank you, Hector. Regardless of whether data centres/worlds have different strategies of resolving mechanics, I always come back to you because I have not seen anyone else explain *mechanics* so thoroughly. It's frustrating seeing guides that tell you the solution, but not the problem. Keep doing what you do!
I like these guides as they give the mechanics in 'IF >>> THEN' format, which is incredibly easy for me to understand.
My raid lead (who's awesome) wont do this so I have to get my lizzard-level intelligent brain to figure out what the fudgenuggetz they're saying.
IF you have Short Timer Alpha, THEN go to A
IF you have Short Timer Beta, THEN go to B
IF you have Short timer Gamma, THEN go to C
is soooooo easy to get down. Then when I see "alpha, 8 seconds" I know exactly where to go in an instant rather than trying to calculate 50 different things.
soooo much easier to understand.
I'm glad you've been picking up some steam recently, it's so funny seeing "Hector strats" in PFs now. You're with the big boys now!
Lots of PFs on Ultros (Primal) have notes such as "Hector" or "Hector vid / strat" so can confirm.
Yeah, but I wish he used colors for snake 2 rather than spriggan. Spriggan is a horrible strat
Can confirm on aether lotta hector strats in PF
@@zemgad I wish aether was using hector strats. If I see one more "let's send the red debuff to stand on the yellow marker" in HC1, i'm gonna scream. I thought pf liked color matching? We just had an entire extreme with color matching jokes.
Thank you for all your guides man, i decided to try this tier all PF. And your guides help me a lot to survive the Madness that can be PF. P8S cleared finally.
Congrats on the clear!
My main group is up to Limitless Desolation / NA2 and alt group is working on HC1. Your guides have been super helpful this entire tier! So well explained and illustrated! I hope you'll be able to make more next tier.
So many bonus points for highlighting how important it is to mitigate at the end there. Mitigation has been a real pain point this tier, as I think a lot of players are not used to it being the difference between clearing and wiping, so I appreciate any efforts to bring attention to this
Another fantastic guide, thanks Hector!
Hector, your HC2 is described so damn well. Thank you
You and Joonbob have been ALOT, of help for me in dealing with Pt.2 I look forward to your 6.4 guides in a month or so lol
A little late, ik, but your guides have become my static's go to. Thank you for your work!
Our static has cleared much, much faster after we started following your guides. Thank you for your detailed guides and helping us young raiders Professor Hector.
14:37 H2 staring that cleave like a deer in headlights
I knew I forgot something! Good catch!
awesome was waiting for this guide, thanks
Very nice guide! My only critique is that for High Concept I think explaining debuffs in terms of MT / OT might trip up some people since it seems like the debuffs are completely random - DPS can get Supersplice / Multisplice debuffs
This is a good shout. Definitely should have emphasised the randomness of the debuffs.
Also long debuffs always going South for HC1 is very simple and neat solve, I definitely like it.
Good timing! My group JUST started phase one yesterday so it's great to have a guide ready for phase 2 once we get there. Thanks for the great guides as always \o/
Great as always. For the towers, have you seen the Hydi Ai (AKA Haijia) strat? The odd towers are always in the north and the even towers 1 line more south so you can make the puddle bait positioning algorithmic (like a simple limit cut) instead of chaotic.
Does someone have a link?
@@phandor YT often removes links but czcams.com/video/GA3IWJde15g/video.html
This is actually brilliant! Great suggestion!
@@phandor czcams.com/video/8kdGUhXYBJI/video.html
When Hector's guide video is 30 minutes long, you know this fight is serious af
It's really not that bad. There's only like 5 mechs you have to do
@@Lecruidant yeah this phase is a complete joke once it was solved
@@angelhehe19 To the shock of nobody, fights that people know are not hard anymore.
RIP Healer 2 they were a real one. 14:31
Another great guide, these have been really helpful for the entire tier. Thanks for all your hard work!
May I ask what software are you using to make your guides? The visual clarity is absolutely amazing!
Currently just using Keynote (Mac version of Powerpoint).
For ice positions, if the player that moves across from the non debuffed roles goes inner, then all the baiters can be fixed without worrying about priority for the remaining two players from the other roles.
In your example where DPS have the buffs, it can be:
OT H1 | H2 MT | D D
If it was supports with the buff, it could be:
S S | M1 M2 | R1 R2
In both cases, once you know which role has the buff, everyone can go to fixed positions. The pairs outside the lines can just stack since they are not baiting.
The Raidwide is pronounced I - O - Neo - Pee and roughly translates to "Eternal Flame/Fire".
Love all of your guides and really hope the community can all agree soon that you are *the* guy for guides for hard content.
I very much appreciate how easy you make hc1
Hector helping me clear p4s part 2 and now p8, the cycle continues, I'm diving into this next week and we'll see what happens!
A couple of thoughts:
1) I really like your HC explanations for both phases. I’m glad you called out that HC2 is deterministic in its execution due to the forced green towers in the second set because I think other guides seem to be missing that and it makes things much easier
2) YMMV obviously, but I really would not recommend these natural alignment strats personally (especially for fire). I think it requires more thinking, movement, and the positioning can be a little finicky making a right triangle as opposed to an equilateral one. I also feel the same way about the spread positions for NA2 where the NA marked players are filling in gaps. I think this adds more points of failure and I would not recommend it as a progression strat. Finally, for NA ice adjustment, I would recommend that the person flexing is also the one baiting the ice, so as to reduce the amount of movement they have to do and give yourself a little more leeway for if they move late. Flexers can also preposition regardless of if it’s ice/fire if using the “equilateral triangle” fire strat
3) I notice a lot of suggested spread positions that has the whole party taking a tile each in the first two rows. I would recommend against this because it spreads the party out way more and requires a lot more movement. Use the intersections of the lines on the arena or an octagonal spread instead and keep everyone as close to center as possible for all spreads to minimize movement and maximize ease of healing and mitigation. This is especially relevant for the final mechanic
Totally fair comments. My group found 1-tile strat to be pretty intuitive and nice for both healers and casters (they basically don't move for ice/fire), but I absolutely see why some groups will prefer something like echo.
Definitely a good shout with using intersections for spreads. I was trying to find a balance between ease of heal and ease for a group to remember, but I should have thought of that.
@@HectorHectorson that makes sense. With the way we do the triangle fire strat, healers and casters also plant regardless of fire/ice and it’s just the tanks/melees that adjust to form the tips of the triangle for fire (or flex for ice). I do see how maybe it’s less intuitive for some people though
The “purple creature” is Ixion which is from the SB world fate and E5
Wow this is so awesome 😎
The raidwide is pronounced "Eye-O-NE-O-Peer." It means "Eternal flame" and is taken from the words "Aionios" and "Pyr."
Just if anyone was curious about it. :3
pssst the description still says part 1 also you are the best I'm so excited to soak this in, thank you for this video!!!!!!!
Thanks for catching this! One day I'll remember XD
thank you hector. If you could make a video for purple center na2. hnnng that strat would be fire if it caught on. prog would be so much easier for people
can you make a guide for snake 2 color strat? cant seem to find one anywhere
You explain really well, but this looks like is going to be hell.
Is there any chance you'd do slides + timeline sheets accompanying these amazing video guides?
yea man really lacking
what? these guides are near perfect
@@burnersforhim These are easily the best guides for me (all the top guides are going to vary based on how people learn fwiw) but yeah, if there's exactly one thing Hector can do to improve it it's include timestamps for mechanics like he did with the soft enrage here, so we can plan out miti cooldowns and holding buff windows when needed.
Regarding the animal combinations at 26:00, besides Ifrit + Bird = Phoenix, are there any other possible combinations? I understand only Phoenix is the success state but I was wondering if the devs threw in other animals for fun
As far as I can tell, every other animal combo just causes an explosion. Some animals like Snake and Tree seem to only be included as red herrings.
An unwritten rule has been surfacing in PF parties that, if Gamma is unused for the second set of HC1 towers, they should fuse and make trees. It does nothing good or bad, but people just really like seeing trees if it won't cause a wipe. So if you're unused Gamma and see the other unused Gamma coming at you to fuse, as long as you're sure you're unused, let it happen.
@@finalsurvivor1 My friends static both followed this rule and expanded it to include making a snake.
"Make tree; victory. Make snake; win the cake.
No tree; woe is thee. No snake; pull is fake."
During High Concept 2, is there a reason for the 2 designated ifrit to merge immediately ? Can't they merge after the tethered adds, or even get their markers with the long debuffs, create ifrit while the towers are soaked and immediately merge with garuda ? That would remove the 2 dots for the most part of the mechanic.
The ifrits come with another debuff that prevents merging for around 25-30s (I forget the exact length). It falls off slightly before you need to make phoenix. You can wait a few seconds to merge, but any longer and you won't be able to make a phoenix in time at the end.
For HC1, after soaking the first towers, is there a reason that the unused short letter needs to be hit by the same long letter? Theoretically, could they go to B every time? Would that allow the stacks to always go to A and C without having to look for which one needs a fill?
A good idea but unfortunately getting hit by a different debuff when you have colours above your head causes an explosion. This means the unused short letter can go stack with their original letter (to make it easier to see which to skip), but not with any other letter.
@@HectorHectorson Thanks! I assumed there must be some reason but wanted to understand it.
if the dot is so heavy on HC2, why do they combine so early. Wouldn't they just wait until later before the tethers to combine to avoid this extra bit?
Making ifrit gives you another debuff that prevents you from combining for 20+ seconds. If you haven’t made ifrit by the time the second alpha/beta/gamma go off you won’t be able to make phoenix in time.
How did people who were doing this raid blind know to combine the Ifrits with the birds to create Phoenixes that would help the raid survive the instant death mechanic? Were there any indicators along the way, or was it just all accidental discovery through trial and error?
The 'Phoenix buff' was data-mined before the savage was released, so from that working out that Fire + Bird = Phoenix isn't too farfetched.
I imagine the intended way to work it out was for raiders to think back to UCoB, where a similar phoenix buff brings you back from death.
limitless desolation: if you're hit first you can soak towers 1 & 4. The debuff goes away before tower 4 goes off.
This is really helpful to know! I hadn't noticed that the debuff dropped in time.
"...but if you have the phoenix buff.." .. an ad appears xD, best timing haha
14:38 Yo, man! H2 is griefing...
Last chance to look at me hector
>Watching this guide knowing that it's going to be another month before my group actually makes it past P1
I have not been in phase 2 yet, but studying up. I play MT usually so I want to understand HC1 as I'd have to flex. I did not understand the timing or mechanism of how one determines the "skipping" to alpha, beta, or gamma? Do the symbols go out before you have to move to the positions? It looks like it all happens at once based on your animations, so how does MT and H2 know where to go? In other words, you need a symbol to determine exactly where to be, but the symbols appear to go out when you already need to be in position. What am I missing? I watched that section over and over and over and could not understand.
EDIT: To be clear, Hector says, "H2 looks to Alpha and Beta to see which one they skip." What is H2 actually looking for?
Sorry if that bit wasn't clear.
At the beginning of HC1, 3 players get colours (the short timer alpha, beta, gamma). 2 of those combine to make a creature and soak towers.
The third is unused and remains. This is the letter you skip.
For example, in my guide, alpha and beta combine together at first, with gamma being unused. This is why the player with the 2-stack knows to skip gamma.
You can just look at who doesn't combine together, but if you're too focused on the mechanics, afterwards, the unused player will still have colours above their head. Whichever colour combo they have, that's which one you're skipping.
@@HectorHectorson Thanks! That makes sense for remembering which symbol was skipped. But the situation you described if you're too focused on the mechanics and forgot, you said "Whichever color combo they have, that's which one you're skipping." What am I comparing that to? Because it seems that the color combos go out when you already have to be in place. Maybe I'm missing something simple and just have to see it in the fight, but I'm not understanding that step based on your description both in the video and here.
Ah I get you. While first towers are being soaked, one player is uncombined and will still have colours above their head. Look at their colour combo, specifically the dominant colour (the one with an outline).
If it's red, skip alpha
If it's yellow, skip beta
If it's brown, skip gamma
This happens about 10s before you have to get in to position for 2nd explosions.
Hope this helps!
I believe the first raidwide would be pronounced "eye-on-ee-oh-pyre"
Use both feints on dominion, they are phys damage, theres no reason to waste mit like that
Really like your videos. But since the priorities and positions shown here is different from currently used in pf, I'm afraid that can generate a lot of confusion. Hopefully not.
The NA I use (1-tile) is very different from Echo/Stripe which are more common in PF, and my spread positions are a bit different throughout. Double-check the PF description for what strats the group is using, but it's probably best to have watched the Rinon guide as well if doing this fight in PF. Sorry for any confusion this causes in PF!
@@HectorHectorson No worries. I completely understand, is just only pf doing pf things. Just keep your amazing work!
the MVP of this tier!!
I wish PF wasn't so hostile to any strat guides that aren't the week 1 guides, your strats in here make clear concise sense. Just everyone in PF always goes "that isn't scripe." Really undermines the point of "trying different things."
I hope that PF sticks to the Echo/Rinon standard.
but this strat does a cool thing where it swaps the 2 and 3 marker for no reason other than to be diffrent than PF, won't complicate things at all
@@geckooooooooooooo Can't wait for the hourlong discussions on whether 2-stack goes clockwise or counterclockwise, and whether alpha or beta should stack with them
Is it always A+B and C+unused for the 4 towers??
For HC2, yes. 2 of the towers will always be green (A+B), the other 2 will always be made by combining C with the unused.
@@HectorHectorson thanks that is really good to know to merge quickly instead of looking around first
Man, finish school to dedicate myself to gaming just to end up studying again. xD
Lol so much this
YES FINALLY STATIC HC1 SPOTS Long debuff goes to a static spot and short debuff goes to a static spot now people will stop refreshing their debuffs and confusing each other, pf is saved once again.
I will say that, much like Gorgon in Phase 1, Tank/tank or healer/healer can get the dominion debuff first/second and the towers can favour any cardinal and players should be prepared for situations where all 4 towers go towards east etc.
Also, like elmo, pf is gonna find some way to botch Natural alignment due to the specificity of the spots. I do think the strats are good and fine and especially great for statics, but pf gotta use a bit more brain than usual.
I love how you mention at the beginning of NA1 that if one of the players dies it's a wipe, but then all other mechanics are *also* always a full wipe if someone screws up one bit.
I googled "aionagonia" to see what it meant and the first result was a guide for this fight. So I guess it's gibberish.
Ah crap now I got no excuse to not be lazy on actually killing the door boss. Thanks for this!
You made a small error for high concept 1 first towers, it's impossible for two players to have the exact set of 3 colors for the first 2 towers. I understand that you were explaining that two of the exact same colors cannot mix but for first set of 2 towers there will only be one of each set of 3 colors.
I think I needed to make it clearer that the part you're referencing was just to illustrate how the colour mixing mechanic works across both high concepts. It's not trying to show the start of HC1. For future videos, I'll try to make that more explicit.
If I had to guess, the Ashing Blaze at the end of NA2 is there purely for fight timeline reasons. As it stands, you're able to do a reopener right after the resurrection, but if there wasn't a mechanic there, your 2 minute abilities might not be up in time. Now, you could just as easily have had a different mech there, but most other mechs in this fight either take much longer to resolve or, in the case of the buster, were already coming up anyway, and they probably didn't want to mess with the other mechs' timings or design a new mech purely for timeline reasons.
Still Glad that I'm watching the guide even though pf is still a hot mess with starts even though I'm still clearing it I'll be at p8s soon still trying to clear p7s still
"it's more comfortable if you spread first" 😏
oh god. I am already fearful of P8S after seeing part 1 video... lmfao thanks mate
21:52 HC2
Just call the raidwide eye opener
This video would have been harder in August.
Hector guide's up. I'm ready...
I am pronouncing that TB as A Noper.
Never thought Ben Shapiro would teach me raid mechanics.
i love these videos but my god there's so many ads
I love this man, this hector man. He's a great man, a one of a kind man.
Thank you king.
I know why it's called HIGH concept. Wth were they smoking?
Brain hurty
Hm, i dont really like the way you tackled Natural Alignment. I think the way Pf handled it until now is still more practical, but i still really appreciate your effort of those guys. Keep your work up.
another day in pf saved by hector 🎉
our lord and savior
wtf
How is this guide not PF strat... clock, scripe NA with joonbob prio, rinon HC, braindead/hime limitless, static NA2 THRM... wtf it is all basically a slight variation of this video besides the scripe(echo) thing which I don't even think is easier. why pf does this random permutation of everyone else's guides/strats is so stupid.
Hector publishes the strats exactly as in pf -> people complain about strats not being optimized and him publishing the guide too early
Hector waits for some time and publishes more optimized strats -> people complain about publishing the guide too late and it not being the same as in pf
It's an unwinnable situation at this point :/
The people who have cleared to this point probably don't care, the people who are progging have a responsibility to adapt according to what the leader post on PF or just simply don't join if they don't agree. Personally i'm not to worried about the chaotic state of week 1/month 1 guides, they will solidify their place on PF soon enough, plus a majority of players currently haven't even started doing this tier yet, their progging will go much smoother once things settle down.
i dont see how is hector's NA more optimized. And so far, none of the strat that pf used are actually invented by him. The timer cache1, the jp death, the spriggan snake. Hector's guide is good bcz it has better presentation, not bcz of his strat.
@@hx611 It's not about him "inventing" a strat, but rather publishing his guide while including the optimized strats from the very beginning. The 1-tile NA strat is more optimized because Scripe/Echo/Rinon NA can be a pain to heal due to the party being spread far apart, while 1-tile NA fixes that problem.
@@trolly1834 Never ever had i meet a healer complaining about healing in NA. Only maybe about healing in NA2 with stack or spread, but even with the 2tile spread people are still in range of every healing spell. I really cant see any optimization here other than doing a other strat than pf did until now. Also with 1 Tile NA players have to move way more than with the 2 tile strat, which makes the risk higher to get clipped by someone positioning to late.
@@kunstlerischesetwas1284 Literally yesterday healer noticed that aoe heal from ice healer position doesn't reach r1/r2
Your natural alignment strat is so overcomplicated lmao
no joke, what data center did you get these strats from? cause this isn't remotely what pf is doing and is only going to fuck people over more who were close to clearing.
Yeah there is going to be alot of conflict for this phase in party finder this week for no reason. I'm pretty sure it's because his guide is so late compared to the others, he made it different purely for the sake of being different. So that it doesn't look like he copied someone.
Like copying someone's homework but changing a few words around.
I showed the strat my group uses. They're only suggestions. If you prefer to stick with other existing strats in PF, just say so in the description.
I think it’s true that this might make pf more confusing but honestly I’ve always found Hector’s strats extremely efficient and generally respects uptime.
And While Hector’s guides tend to be a bit later I feel like it’s a combination of him trying to post the best strategy that he can think of, explaining every part of the mechanic as precise as possible, and obviously the animation. The amount of time spent on an animation video like this and someone narrating over a PoV is obviously gonna be different.
Personally, Hector’s guides are by far the ones that I prefer since I want to understand every part of a mechanic and why I can’t do certain things. Keep up the great videos Hector!!
@@kellandxue3315 >best strats he can think of
> fixed gorgon 2
@@inekd because it adds so many more factors that can go wrong. You want people in pf trying to aim they’re gaze at an add while avoiding someone else?
Having the gaze always just rotate in front of the add (like you’ve been doing the entire fight) just makes way more sense.
Thanks for the guides but PF has already adopted way more logical and consistent strats so it's kind of weird to put out a video this late with a much less logical way of resolving mechanics.
there is literally no perfect timing for a guide release . If its too early people will say the guide will be outdated soon and rushed , greedy YT yada yada . If its too late just the other way around. There is no way to satisfy everyone
@@alterionv5925 The timing of the guide release is fine. But if you're releasing a guide on week 3 you should at least use up to date week 3 strats not scuffed day1 strats nobody uses anymore.
@@Aurelyn Which one of the strats he showed do you consider a "scuffed day 1 strat"? The 1-tile NA strat, which started being used more than a few weeks into the tier due to buff uptime and ease of healing compared to the day 1 strat? Or the light party NA1 static spread positions, which were not popular at all day 1, but are much more consistent to do compared to the day 1 strat? Or do you just think that any strat that's not the same as Rinon is a "scuffed day 1 strat"?
please do echo NA and not this convoluted crap, I dread PF now that this video is out..............
can you link a vid to echo NA?
yeah, this NA is just not as good as Echo and i hope it wont get standard in pf.
@@kunstlerischesetwas1284 You guys are a bunch of babies.
@@ShadowHunter31 No, im a realist. I spend way to much time in pf to know what kind of strats party finder is capable of doing and what it isn’t. We just don’t like to waste anymore time than we already do in pf, just because of barely thought out strats.
But now it doesn’t matter anyway, since the Raid tier is out so long.
Omg this is actually very hard
I haven’t even started phase 1. What am I doing here. 🫠