On the FLXdrive unit, is there a traction motor video? They have to be different then motors from the 80's when I worked at the Collinwood Yards rebuilding them. I remember the series-parallel switching and so on, all done with pneumatic contactors. I would love to have a tour and see what now is. I can't imagine the same.
Fair dues to Wabtec to keep going when no orders arrived in advance of the Tier4 date. Do the modern locomotives use regen braking to generate some free power for the locomotive as it seems that extra electric power would be very handy in getting a locomotive (and its cargo) moving faster from a 0mph start much like we see in mild hybrid cars today. Plus the amount of power from braking these giants would seem to offer a massive power influx if all the carriage brakes could feed that power to the locomotive.
They got down with this one and it’s very useful and doesn’t take away from a rail fan perspective with like some weird design just thrown out there I can tell they worked very close with the community thanks wabtec looking forward to seeing these beauties
Did you also happen to miss GE fucking breaking apart at the seams last year? They almost ceased to exist. I'm not telling I'm just surprised if you didn't hear. Yes, these are GEVOs, becuase Wabtec bought GE Transportation in a deal where GE spun off a whole slew of subsidiary assets. I don't know if GE Power Generation got thrown in with this deal. I suspect it was just transportation as the engine technology differs. GE hung in there and they seem to be doing better, though less a locomotive Manufacturing division than before. It's a shame, cause GE really pushed the envelope with the Evolution Series, no matter what button pushing mouth foaming armchair warriors who claim to be real life engineers will tell you. The fact that they represent the vast majority of Locomotives on mainlines today seems to tell the real story. Hopefully Wabtec (Westinghouse Air Brake) can keep that trend going. It'll keep Electro-Motive (CAT) on its toes.. which they need to be cause they haven't really had a true heavy haul competitor till recently with the new SD70ACe-T4. Anyhow, don't quote me on this? But I think GE is still invested in Wabtec somehow, so they aren't Completely uninvolved. They just dont lead engineering or whatever else. I think it's smart to keep em on board.
@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife What do you mean? EMD has had close competition with GE for many years, specifically with the SD70ACE and now the SD70ACE-T4. It’s not like they just “recently” started competing with GE on the heavy haul market. They’ve been neck and neck for years.
So Wabtec invested 250m in 2010 to develop the Tier 4 compliant Evolution series locomotive? Pretty interesting considering they’ve only owned GE Transportation since February 2019...
@@ruez I presume the requirement for passenger locomotives is different to the rest of US rail which is cargo hauling. Thus the siemens order (built in the US)
Futuristic Space Agency And Administration never heard of competition? The SD70 T4 came a little later after. Besides that, GE and EMD are the major two locomotive manufacturers, and have been ever since other builders like ALCO, Altoona Works, and Fairbanks Morse fell. So when one does something, the other will.
Becuase the United States inst Europe.we don't have massive electrified rail infrastructure, as there is not large enough population to support it in between large cities. We also don't prioritize passenger rail, and also have very cheap fuel prices, that often (Almost always) make running of off diesel electric far cheaper. If you're thinking it's less Efficient, consider line losses, the relative Efficiency of stationary gas turbines (30-40%) vs large scale industrial diesel engines (40-50%) as Carnot Efficiency dictates that bigger engines will be more efficient. Factoring in infrastructure maintenance, danger of electrified power lines or rails, power outages, need for completely new locomotives, and the relatively high cost of electrical power in comparison to liquid fuels it literally makes no sense. Rail, electrified or diesel-electric is the most efficient way to travel / transport goods across land. Always remember, what may make sense in your local geography is not a constant elsewhere. Do not be one of those "highly Progressive" Europeans that unfortunately lacks an open mind. Thanks. And yes, in the US we know we can't burn fossil fuels forever, but your energy comes from somewhere, and Europe as far as I know, is even more dependant on foreign oil to generate electricity than the US. (as a whole, not counting outlier individual nation's where the economics are wildly Different). Once renewables and batteries become more reliable and Efficient a source of power, you can bet the US will switch over faster than anyone else, and still end up using petroleum for chemical Products. Even then, bioplastics will likely become commonplace given the technology matures properly. Have a better understanding now?
@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife very well said but can you cite the resources from where you are saying that Europe is more dependent on oil (foreign or otherwise) for its energy needs.
Kudos for the production, it's really nice to see a Corporate video that tells a concise story without voice over. Well done!
im a little late for this but: good job watbec!
On the FLXdrive unit, is there a traction motor video? They have to be different then motors from the 80's when I worked at the Collinwood Yards rebuilding them. I remember the series-parallel switching and so on, all done with pneumatic contactors. I would love to have a tour and see what now is. I can't imagine the same.
Fair dues to Wabtec to keep going when no orders arrived in advance of the Tier4 date. Do the modern locomotives use regen braking to generate some free power for the locomotive as it seems that extra electric power would be very handy in getting a locomotive (and its cargo) moving faster from a 0mph start much like we see in mild hybrid cars today. Plus the amount of power from braking these giants would seem to offer a massive power influx if all the carriage brakes could feed that power to the locomotive.
They got down with this one and it’s very useful and doesn’t take away from a rail fan perspective with like some weird design just thrown out there I can tell they worked very close with the community thanks wabtec looking forward to seeing these beauties
Did Wabtec buy General Electric's locomotive building and I missed it? Because those locomotives are identical to General Electric's!
Did you also happen to miss GE fucking breaking apart at the seams last year? They almost ceased to exist. I'm not telling I'm just surprised if you didn't hear. Yes, these are GEVOs, becuase Wabtec bought GE Transportation in a deal where GE spun off a whole slew of subsidiary assets. I don't know if GE Power Generation got thrown in with this deal. I suspect it was just transportation as the engine technology differs. GE hung in there and they seem to be doing better, though less a locomotive Manufacturing division than before. It's a shame, cause GE really pushed the envelope with the Evolution Series, no matter what button pushing mouth foaming armchair warriors who claim to be real life engineers will tell you. The fact that they represent the vast majority of Locomotives on mainlines today seems to tell the real story. Hopefully Wabtec (Westinghouse Air Brake) can keep that trend going. It'll keep Electro-Motive (CAT) on its toes.. which they need to be cause they haven't really had a true heavy haul competitor till recently with the new SD70ACe-T4. Anyhow, don't quote me on this? But I think GE is still invested in Wabtec somehow, so they aren't Completely uninvolved. They just dont lead engineering or whatever else. I think it's smart to keep em on board.
Yes they bought GE transportation like last year
I work for general electric in lynn mass we make helicopter engines and military stuff its our money maker .and i love trains
@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife What do you mean? EMD has had close competition with GE for many years, specifically with the SD70ACE and now the SD70ACE-T4. It’s not like they just “recently” started competing with GE on the heavy haul market. They’ve been neck and neck for years.
@@kuckoo9036 They have been for years bud.
Does it take dynamic energy from the adjoining locos or just what it produces itself?
So Wabtec invested 250m in 2010 to develop the Tier 4 compliant Evolution series locomotive? Pretty interesting considering they’ve only owned GE Transportation since February 2019...
its still GE Transportation, just under a new name
I think wabtec should make a new generation p42 for Amtrak that would've nice to see
Unfortunately, Amtrak already ordered new Siemens ALC-44 locomotives to replace older P42 locomotives.
@@ruez Mostly SC-44s
@@rcbrosproductions9129
The short-range SC-44s completely replaced F59PHI in States routes. The ALC-44 will replace mostly long-range P42s.
@@ruez Are you sure? They replaced the P42 with SC-44s on the routes in my area.
@@ruez I presume the requirement for passenger locomotives is different to the rest of US rail which is cargo hauling. Thus the siemens order (built in the US)
Your video producers need to understand that the locomotives are the stars of the show, not the intrusive junior-high graphics.
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Keep those Dash 9s running.
Dash 9 is long out of production.
Wait, I think there is already a tier 4 loco- the SD70ACE-T4
The Teir 4 gevo came first.
Yeah this has been around far longer than the SD70
Futuristic Space Agency And Administration never heard of competition? The SD70 T4 came a little later after. Besides that, GE and EMD are the major two locomotive manufacturers, and have been ever since other builders like ALCO, Altoona Works, and Fairbanks Morse fell. So when one does something, the other will.
Because SD70's are trash.
@@kuckoo9036 the sd70ace was out in 2003, the evo t4 was being tested in 2013.
Why not full electric?
That's what they're doing with the Battery-Electric Locomotive tests
Becuase the United States inst Europe.we don't have massive electrified rail infrastructure, as there is not large enough population to support it in between large cities. We also don't prioritize passenger rail, and also have very cheap fuel prices, that often (Almost always) make running of off diesel electric far cheaper. If you're thinking it's less Efficient, consider line losses, the relative Efficiency of stationary gas turbines (30-40%) vs large scale industrial diesel engines (40-50%) as Carnot Efficiency dictates that bigger engines will be more efficient. Factoring in infrastructure maintenance, danger of electrified power lines or rails, power outages, need for completely new locomotives, and the relatively high cost of electrical power in comparison to liquid fuels it literally makes no sense. Rail, electrified or diesel-electric is the most efficient way to travel / transport goods across land.
Always remember, what may make sense in your local geography is not a constant elsewhere. Do not be one of those "highly Progressive" Europeans that unfortunately lacks an open mind. Thanks.
And yes, in the US we know we can't burn fossil fuels forever, but your energy comes from somewhere, and Europe as far as I know, is even more dependant on foreign oil to generate electricity than the US. (as a whole, not counting outlier individual nation's where the economics are wildly Different). Once renewables and batteries become more reliable and Efficient a source of power, you can bet the US will switch over faster than anyone else, and still end up using petroleum for chemical Products. Even then, bioplastics will likely become commonplace given the technology matures properly. Have a better understanding now?
@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife very well said but can you cite the resources from where you are saying that Europe is more dependent on oil (foreign or otherwise) for its energy needs.
Ridiculous. Also, they are diesel ENGINES, not "motors."
@@MrWestdayable Lucky for you stupidity is not a crime.
This is all G.E. not wabtec all they did was change names . Don’t be fooled !
Wabtec owns GE Transportation now...
Well duh
you stole it from ge
No, GE sold GE transportation to WABTEC
Read the news once in a while 📰
yeah