The Finale - Rodney Mullen vs Daewon Song Almost Round 3 (2004) Skateboarding Analysis with Numbers
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- čas přidán 30. 01. 2022
- The time has come
For seven long years, the battle between plywood pushing prodigies Rodney Mullen and Daewon Song finally reaches a conclusion
Who won the tiebreaker?
Let’s dive into some some data and find out!
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Rodney v. Daewon Round 3: • Round 3: Rodney vs Daewon
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Fun fact: The word "fakie" was said 97 times while breaking down Daewon's part.
Fun fact: The word "manual" was said 999999999999801 times in Daewon's part
Sometimes I feel like skateboarding in 2022 is at it's highest level. But then I get reminded with a video like this and I remember that nobody is doing stuff like this even to this day. Nobody can touch these type of manuals.
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yeah I feel you, it's rare to see, Sewa, Shane, Brandon Biebel and Pj were on my mind, but it's kinda underground, because they more want to see big gaps and handrails, than this! It's like this nowadays imao. I mean ask sheckler or midler to do a quarter of these stuff, there won't be able to do it, I guess. Ah yeah and because I'm from Switzerland I have to mention Christian Zemp for Manuals!
@@kjdacod There are people today who can do more stylish manuals then Rodney or Daewon. John Dilo,Gustav Tonesen come to mind right away. Sketchier spots,they catch ther tricks in a more stylish and relaxed way. But when it comes to pure combo insanisty some mortal kombat shit nobody can touch Daewon and Rodney. The ender from Daewon's part in Almost Round 3 could be an ender in every single video coming out today. But like I said,people are getting more and more stylish. That's what touches our hearts the most.
I can but I might just be built different
@@armin38822 you must be a zoomer if your main focus is on style.
Almost round 3 was on repeat during my peak of skateboarding. Such a good video
yeew!
Same here, this, Bag of Suck, and Baker 3
Lol you really missed out
Hey mate, I have the dvd and it always changes who’s part comes first. Thought I was losing my mind when I noticed. Love your videos!
for real? I really thought to remember at the premiere, that they started somehow with daewon until the red fade out, and so he came back, but maybe I'm changing something, cause some of the fakie manuals which are in my mind, weren't in this vid, so I think I maybe talk about the FKD video. The Deca Video was nuts, plus those decks too, I really loved them! In compare, in this part Deawon did almost no bluntslides on tables, like in the Deca part, plus it really gets kinda anoying with the fakie manuals.
Obviously subjective, but I feel Rodney had way more trick variety than Daewon, who mostly did variations on fakie manuals. This should count more than sheer number of tricks IMO. Also, lots of people got manual flip combos, no one has Casper slide nose manuals, semi-flips or flip in flip out darkslides, esp in 2004. Daewon does get bonus points however for being the only human alive who can skate that truck setup.
Agreed! Like, really so many fakie manuals, it's cool but okay, I get it! have fun! it really stands more out that rodney does many tricks, which aren't naturally done again! and a bunch of crazy manual tricks are done. Like some in and out late flip manuals, fe. Just these underflips are hard to find! l wish we would see them at the berrics, btw. why were both of them never been to the batb series? at least deawon wouldn't been too old for the first fews, idk, maybe they asked them?!
In the end skateboarding is so great because there is never a winner, or a GOAT, but if there has to be one, it'll be Rodney 4 sure IMAO!!
I wouldn't say he's the only one who can skate that! He's just almost the only one who does so! And he does it insanly good, but there are more out there, who could do that! like for sure... but yeah he's like the first one, who did grinds & slides and not "just" gaps.
the rodney vs daewon vids have been incredible. i haven’t seen these clips for years but they still blow me away.
For real
also some newer parts from deawon! When I watched some part which came out about 10 years ago, I couldn't believe it! But I didn't know he was "only" 29 back than. I always thought he's around rodneys age, which actually make sence! Just too lazy to check that out. Well great information again, dude! Crazy how u read out all these tricks!
@@dumbdata34 I'm not sure, but I thought u asked about what content u should do somewhere!? well I'd be down for some other competions fe., I really like to watch competitions and I'd be really down for some Dew Tour/X-Games Breakdown!, My pick would be 2018 (where Sora got robbed). I also like that one, where Kelvin did a kickflip bs sw fs crooked at the end, imao, I thought he gonna win there. X-Games Shanghai, where all three actually could've won!? So that's why these are the most interesting to me! de moines and world championship in rome were also crazy, remember Aurelien's tre flip nosegrind fe. Well whatever u do I'm looking forward to it! btw. the matrix theme was the best music to rodney imao and it matches in more than one way! xD
Those three videos and the cheese and crackers videos are the craziest videos tech wise.
Knowing how loose DaeWon skates his front truck makes every single nose manual trick that much more impressive.
""Darkslides are too easy now, let's nose manual out of them", said only Rodney Mullen" - to quote Mia Wallace, "I said God damn!" 🤯 😅 Fine work as always sir.
Thank you!
Una Thurman ftw
the most difficult skating ive ever seen amassed in one place has got to be this video. seemingly impossible tricks.
When it comes to that jaw dropping moments where your like how is that even possible, I didn't know you could do that on a skateboard goes to the primo slides so I would give it to Rodney
No doubt the primo is a truck that few can land smoothly but Dae Won took these insanely technical tricks to gaps, rails, and transition with vert, that put him on top in my opinion. Rodney never had his board above a foot or two. But if these guys were the same age and skated together imagine the tricks that would have been inspired.
The dude literally does primo to OTHER SIDE OF THE BOARD primo.
No one else alive can do that. Crabtree you smoking the wacky.
On the DVD there is a bonus skate part in old 3D. Rodney does nearly 14 more tricks that brings his total within 1 trick of Daewon, 86 and 87.
Hehehe he was *almost* there
Damn your right!!! It's magic ! Lol
Round 3 and Cheese & Crackers were what I watched before Fully Flared, Baker 3, and other parts became available on CZcams.
I have no reason to do this but here we are, I'm not naming the freestyle tricks like the last two videos...BUT I am going to make some small corrections on terminology cause I'm a loser.
So "primo" is actually called a rail stand, they've been around since the late 60s, but primo slides are still primo slides, named after the guy who invented them Primo Desiderio. Truckstands are actually called no handed 50/50s, and there are two different types of rail stand stances (there's actually like 5 but shhhh). Heelside is when you're heels are on the same end as the griptape, and toe side is when your toes are on the same side.
s/o mr. Desiderio and thanks for the factoid
There is an argument to be made, that only the toe-side slide with a frontside 180 pivot while sliding (and thus going to fakie) is the primo slide and all other variations should be called railslides. basically for the same reasons only BS 540 with a mute grab are McTwists.
LMAO "throwing a frontside 180 out to stay stimulated." I fucking love that
Thanks!!
I met daewon at the opening of the downtown Houston skatepark and he said that he hated nose Manuel's and it tripped me out I was like but bruh you're the Manuel king. I went home and watched round 3 and noticed almost ALL of his nose manuels are fakie. Even all of his nose grinds are switch. There were 4 regular nose manuels in this video. Another random stat.
I wonder if that's because of how crazy loose he likes to keep his front truck. I think both are very loose, but the front truck is insane - I have no idea how he skates those things.
Rodney took to another level with NBD s ducha si the primo slides
i honestly appreciate the removal of the bleep noise. never will i doubt you again.
Can’t be giving the viewers tinnitus
You should do marc Johnson fully flared idc how long the video is
Bro maybe
Channel is underrated af love the videos
Round 1-Rodney wins
Round 2 - Daewon
Round 3 - it can go either way, Rodney for the tech and Daewon's reckless dangerous skating
Round 3 is definitely Daewon's it's his second best part ever.
I have this DVD, it actually randomly alternates who gets the ender on its own. Sometimes you watch Rodney 1st others Daewon.
That’s wild
Really? I must have the first edition or something because Rodney has the opener and Daewon closes it out in my version.
This was like 1 of 10 foundational videos that cemented my passion for skating (and manuals) and I’m so thrilled to see guys like DD giving it proper retrospective analysis and appreciation.
On behalf of most skaters who, like me, I assume did not care much for mathematics, I would like to say thank you for pairing the 2 mediums/disciplines in a way that is as enlightening as it is entertaining 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Almost round three is my favorite skate video of all time.
I don't know what is it about, but every skateboarder, every song, every clip just resonates to this day on my mind
I totally agree everything is great with this video! Easy my favorit too
all these things i’ve done is the perfect song for deawons skating imo but to each his own I guess. keep the classic vids going bro! love too see some heath kirchart or marc johnson classics
Rodney did better tricks and Daewon did more difficult spots.
Almost Round 3 DVD had a bonus feature to switch between who got the last part, it was in one of the menus.Also the og dvd came with 2 discs, one which was a bootleg cam filmed vid of the premier lol and the other being the actual dvd itself as well as an option to watch the movie in 3D with the special 3d glasses they sent with the dvd. I know this because i've still got my copy all these years later.
I remember the bootleg version, mainly because Chris Haslam’s part gets big cheers throughout then Cooper’s part plays and it’s pretty quiet… lmao
You are a legend. Big fan on slap
i was just thinking about when you would post this haha! great video as always, i would just like to say i appreciate your videos a lot, it's clear you put plenty of time and effort into these :)
Thank you my brethren
once again very nice video to finish this series of. also loved the final conclusion about both skateboarding and music being subjective things!
Wow I did run to comments after that statement! 😭. I lovedddd the song. It’s so iconic. Got me hooked on this song so much always will remind me of daewon and this video and my childhood. You naming the tricks like that was so amazing I subscribed instantly and will def binge the rest of ur vids haha
Yes! I've been so excited for this one
Many thanks for doing the trilogy of videos, great work 👏👏👏
I absolutely LOVE you reading out Mullen’s trick names in disbelief 😂😂😂😂
The trick at 8:30 was a 5-0 crail grab finger 360 flip.
i wish rodney will see this vid and he comes up with all the tricknames u messed up...can't even imagine how much confidence it takes to name all this weird sh...what a legend!
Thank you dude. Round 3 has a very special place in my life and seeing it given the Dumb Data treatment has been nothing short of amazing.
I cannot stop rewinding the part where he's all "A harmless varial heelflip then ollie up the ledge then oh boy what's he winding up for" lmfao awesome
Thanks for the Trilogy! Great Entertainment 😁
thank you for this saga , very welldone, keep up man.i will be there for you.
preshade the support!
The DVD has Round One and Round Two as HIDDEN bonus features, search around in the chapter select screen!
I highly appreciate you even just attempting to name all the madness in this vid. Phenomenal work!
Thank you dude!!
@@dumbdata34 There is no such thing as 'Frontside halfcab'. 'Frontside halfcab' is a misnomer. It is *Fakie frontside.
@@nedtempleton4873 Steve Caballero would disagree with you (re: 2:04:00 in his nine club episode)
@@dumbdata34 He's wrong because he didn't invent and has never done Fakie frontside 360/180. Him saying Fakie frontside 360s are 'Frontside cabs' etc. is like Donny Barley saying Bennet grinds are Backside Barley grinds or Matt Bennet saying Barley grinds are Frontside Bennet grinds when neither of them invented/did them. A trick can and should only be named after someone who invented and did it. You can't and shouldn't call a trick after someone who didn't invent and do it. And nobody should get credit for a trick they didn't invent and do. So since he didn't invent and has never done Fakie frontside 360/180 'Frontside halfcab' is a misnomer. It's *Fakie frontside.
@@nedtempleton4873 I wish the whole cab-thing didn't even exist, it just confuses everything to shit, but we can't change the lingo now.
Crazy good video. I love both so much
always enjoy your trick name attempts
Great video my dude.
Yo thank you!!
The DVD was programmed to randomly play either Rodney's or Daewon's part last. Back when DVDs were seperated by scenes and they had that feature on round 3. I thought it was super cool when I was a kid
I agree. I watched the video when it came out and thought the same thing. im glad i wasnt the only one when i knew more people were Rodney fans at the time. Respect to the Godfather Rodney though
This stuff is so good that I liked the video immediately after clicking on it, and then got pissed for not being able to like it again after watching it...
Thank you dude!!
The dvd would have a different skater have the ender part every time you’d watch it. Sometimes Rodney sometimes Daewon. Also IIRC the part with the costume wouldn’t play on every play through. Source: owned this dvd back in high school and watched it about 10,000 times
8:55 this is that next level Mullen shit. i have to play this at .25 speed and even then it barely makes sense
I need to see a breakdown of who won Cheese and Crackers.
There are 2 different versions of who goes first because if you owned the DVD you would know, it randomly selected which part would play first every time you played the video, so you never knew who was going to end it. 👏👏👏
Arghh I just can’t handle it hope this helps with naming some stuff. Some of the tricks have names like Varial 3/4 heel to toe side rail (Reemo) is a rusty slide so it’s not that massive rolloff of tricks. Primo slides are a thing and reemo slides are a thing equal to the non moving variations being primo stall or reemo stall aka toe side rail or heel side rail. Hope this makes sense to differentiate and help name the tricks more appropriately. Great work as always
great vid as always. those are pump jacks, not derricks
Nice callout, and thank you!!
Dam I'm late and the CZcams algorithm did me dirty even though I got you on alarm...
7:30 I think that was a finger flip as well, but filmed from a bad angle. Used to have this on dvd, one of my favorite skate vids alongside welcome to hell
oh the killers were killer back in the day. they were actually "cool" for a hot second. and the california sun will always be the best kind if you ask me. i will be back mr sun..
Goes to rodney for me and its something quite obscure that does it
The table nose grind to nose grind ...he simply dosnt pop it just switches position like its stuck to his feet ....physics took a day off when he did that🤯
Rodney is such a fucking legend I love that he's like the alpha and Omega. The creator of these tricks and still the best at them lol
This video was the perfect end to my 4/20 🙌
skate videos do not need massive budgets. i think we all know that now. its fun to see the evolution of this thought process huh?
Rodney is insane. You don't see anyone doing anything close to this stuff.
To this day. Maybe Jonny giger do some of it but not all
6:20 That sasquatch was chris haslam 😂
I'm glad there was no winner in the end. Was gonna be butthurt if you had have chosen either. Also the trick names
Daewon definitely won
@@dumbdata34 well diversity definitely went to Rodney in round 3. Trick difficulty goes to Rodney. Innovation goes to Rodney. Deawon wins on style and balls. I love both and you can think that but I know the truth 😉
i love how timidly you naming Mullen tricks =))) ahaha
This series has been so dope to watch. Do you plan on analyzing more video parts from other skaters?
The numbers will tell
On the DVD of round 3 depending where on the menu you click it would change between who skated first, Rodney or Daewon
You can pick on the dvd who goes first between daewon and rodney.
If I remember right the dvd had an “alternate ending” option that flips the order in which Rodney and daewon appear
Imagine if they both were the same age and skated all those years together innovating, learning and inspiring one another. The impact on skateboard innovation would be insane. Dae Won primo grinding a flat bar hand rail w/ crazy flips in and out. Rodney dark sliding kinked and curved hand rails Oh the magic would have been mind blowing
Man, I’m glad it’s you calling out all of Rodney’s tricks instead of me. Dear lord. Lol
That was very entertaining
great video
Thank you!!
I remember watching this several times when it came out and my conclusion was: Mullen is incredible, mind blowing. But I personally want to skate like Daewon.
This is a valid conclusion
same
I back that up and the reason for that was because non of us could mirror Rodney tricks, somehow you could learn a thing or 2 from daewon
I remember on the DVD you could pick who had last part. My brother and I always argued about who should have it! Haha
Whenever I drive past the Torrance DMV I look to see if Daewon is there ha ha
Some things you missed:
6:40 those are all shuvs out, not Varials.
7:33 5-0 FINGER VARIAL HEELFLIP nose manny
7:42 Fakie manual out
8:10 360 double underflip
8:22 varial heelflip out
9:02 360 underflip
9:37 front crook Nollie backside pressure
8:30 5-0 FINGER Tre
You definitely got the names wrong on a lot of things, but these are just the more important distinctions
“…with the daawg“ 😂
Rodney Smashed that video with a trick difficultie at an all time high no one can touch him even Daewon says he can't mess with Rodney's tricks. But daewon has his own style and super hard tricks soo. I THINK IT IS A TIE. And they don't even compete it's just a name for a great skate movie.
Killers are one of my favorite bands, but Hot Fuss is probably my least favorite album by them- definitely not skate vid music. Great video, and I really enjoyed all 3 installments in this series.
What I wouldn't give to be in my early 20s in the late 90s.
I don't get it. How are the switch ollies to fakie manual and not switch Nosemanuals?
7:34 and 8:32 were finger flips as crazy as that sounds. Varial heel one and then the tre one he did with his back hand
The 5:20 too 5:50 section would be the CZcams short clip you send directly to Mullen. So we, as the skateboard community can truly understand what the Illuminati are really up 2.
Song is awesome we got to remember how different they skate putting him up against Rodney back then was crazy but anyone who is a hardcore skateboarder in this age and know about Rodney does Daewon really have a chance in the comments it's obvious to anyone who knows about Rodney we can't seriously think anyone can really compete with him Rodney is a Christ figure to skateboarding and to top it off he actually deserves that label lol.but song still awesome
7:20 Rodney goes 360 but I think it is definitely 540 flip wouldnt you say ? and its nollie too, crazy
dang this video was good, shout to you and both Rodney and Daewon, legends
I also think Daewon is the victor
You should make a "meta" video just counting the number of times words like "manual, switch, fakie, halfcab" etc. are used in this video. ;-)
I never tried to name the tricks while watching this but hearing it sounds ridiculous
Rodney's style got so much better in round 3
2 Legends duking it out and we get to watch it all- how lucky are we for experiencing this!? I love Daewon but Rodney is always tops in my book (not an ounce of disrespect to Daewon).
Excellent video. Cause of you we now see Rodney and Daweon still haven't return to our planet.
They left in 2000s and clearly never returned. All Rodney stuf is too complex Daweon is too death defying. They both won
Can anyone out there explain 'switch Tre to switch primo slide to primo heelflip out'??
The Jack Nicholson encounter was definitely paid for cuz there’s a different bail in the credits where he again pretends to be surprised
Rodney wins everything…. All the time
at 7:38 hes doing a fingerflip v-heel, not flipping with his toes
LOL @ How do you want you primo slides?
What is low impact in this context
Found this at a thrift store with the 3d glasses
love you
TY!!
It would be awesome if you dissected Marc Johnson’s part in fully flared
I both want to master manuals and never hear the word again lol
Mullen is GOD of skating, will forever be the best skater in existence.
Hear hear... invented the flatground ollie (!!!) and basically ALL the flip tricks?! designed the modern deck shape and stuff?? The guy is truly a genius on a skateboard, like autistic savant IQ 300 genius, it's not possible for anyone to top that, he was the guy who did it all.
The DVD had a option where you got to choose who had the end post