Making a Revolving Stage
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- We wanted to build a revolving stage,
But it had to be lightweight and easy to operate using DMX-Control
We used 21 casterwheels Rubber (with bearings, non swiveling)
800 Watt DC-motor (Alpatec) with reductor and controller
DMX-relais/analog converter (The Willows)
Meanwell 1000Watt DC-powersupply
about 12 meters of Velcro (for the stageskirt)
And loads of manhours...
p.s. This Revolving stage is for rent...
Ik wilde een draaischijf gebruiken in onze laatste Theaterproductie.
Ik wilde echter iets dat licht en gemakkelijk te vervoeren zou zijn.
omdat we met kleine kinderen werken moest het veilig zijn en wilde ik geen bewegende delen buiten de schijf.
(alles zit eronder)
De Draaischijf is te huur...
This is simply incredible!!!
I can't believe I searched for "rotating display" and this came up, *_because I literally need it for one person or more to be able to stand on it!_*
This is so fun to see!! 😃👏
Regards from Sweden to you, fellow theatre-lover!!! 🎭💕
*It's so nice to find your channel at this perfect time :)*
Moral of the story: He got Lucky
yeah we did!
Great job!
Thank you very much!
This is dope. And im using this method for a revolving DJ booth for burning man. thanks for posting!
Curious to know how it turned out?
Deepest metathanks for sharing all the great work you did !!! So funny to see we stumbled on the exact same issues, but solved them differently.
I'm curious what solutions you came up with!
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So good. Thank you.
Brilliant!
The best revolving floor was the revolving dance floor at Mannequins Dance Palace, and it was gigantic, complete with lighting underneath that would shine through plexiglass panels laid in the floor.
Gorgeous. Those are professional ones, with unlimited budgets.
Melodic Humming Bird Yeah, Disney could afford such luxuries, lol
Amazing! Really good job! Loved watching the whole progress, and Im sure it was a lot of run figuring it all out and putting it together, a roller coaster ride I'd imagine ahaha. I will be building something like this at some point and when I do, I'll remember this video to be the first one I watched for this style build!
please when you do build one, let me know how you are getting along. I would be most interested
Nice! I'm planning to build a revolving stage too. This video really helped!
great to hear that! I'm hoping to see some pictures or some footage of your build. I'm curious how other people solve the problems in building such a project! Good luck and please post some pictures or footage!
how are you getting along with your build?
Thank you!
Being lucky is very important
Yes it is! thank you!
Tof filmpje Steef!
Nice idea
Zo mooi en dun geweldig
thanx
This is wonderful!!!! Determined!!! I want to learn how to make a 360 photo booth, the platform is easy, but getting the extension rod that spins around is the tricky part, i want to make manual one & a motorized or atleast find someone that can make a prototype & instead of selling it for 1k & up or thousands i would make a more affordable version, so people can buy to start their own business & people can buy for personal use!!!
thats an exciting project! I have seen some platforms that roll on simple marbles (in a circular track) those work very well...
Thank you, great video. Really Helpful. Did you make the bearing from scratch or was this a brought in product? If so how did you make this? Thanks Again
it is a big industrial bearing. we put a pin in the middle that is attached to the top-deck. while the outer ring is attached tot the bottom stand. The other way around would also work though.
Kinda reminds me of rotating stage in the houston Astrodome
great
That's all ? "Great" ? Come on. You could spend more than 1/2 second or 0.1 second with autocompletion, to thank this man for his awesome work.
Very Smart
What're the specs on that motor? Power rating? RPM? And what size wheel did you get to drive the turntable? I'm working on something remarkably similar that I'd like to motorize but with similar space constraints - about 5 1/8" (13cm) underneath, maybe a hair more.
Never mind, just rewatched the video and got the information I missed the first time.
The motor is a 900Watt DC Motor.
RPM 1000, but this is brought down by a gearbox. This drives a 8cm frictionwheel on the bottom of the disk. How much you need depends on the weight of your revolving stage plus the load you like it to bear. Then you need to decide how fast it should accelerate or decellerate. I called a couple of manufacturers and asked them for their advise. most people were happy to help me with some good advice. Also some manufacturers have no stock, so it woult take up half a year for the motor to arive. keep that in mind and always call them up.
Good luck and please let me know how your project is progressing!
Hoola
Hello! I'm trying to build a similar turntable, with an 8 foot diameter. Could you tell me a bit more about the construction of the deck and how the pieces are held together? Also thank you, this video is extremely helpful :)
the slices of the pie so to speak have a big tongue and groove. the outsides are held together with henges.
sorry not henges, drawbolt-catches
I have few questions.
What was approximately the total cost of the build?
Is it heavy? How easily it can be placed and removed from a stage?
Thank you.
Hi E Q,
Because the turntable was made from 1 layer of plywood, reinforced with wooden beams it is quite lightweight. It is easy to build with two persons.
if you add all components together it will be about 300kg (esimation)
the cost for all the materials will be around € 2600,- but I was lucky to have some used plywood wich I got for free.
It is the man-hours that would make it really expensive if you couldn't build it yourself.
To place or remove it from the stage will take about 20 minutes.
@@kropjesla01 thanks you for all the information.
It can be done in smaller sizes as well right? What is the exact measurements of height, diameter etc it has?
@@elizafcb The diameter of our turntable is 4 meters.
the height is approximately 185mm
the casterwheels are 125mm and 2 layers of plywood 2x18mm and reinforcement of 20mm
This is a great. Can you share some details on your drive system and what you used to control it via DMX? Your video shows everything but I cannot quite make out the components. I am in your same boat with my budget, but if we have it to use forever then it will be worth it. Thanks in advance.
this might be a good place to start..www.thewillows.nl/Shop-BG/nl/
the owner of this site builds these dmx-solutions because he could not find any available on the market, so he started out as an enthousiast who needed these things for himself. he has loads of knowledge so if you have any specific questions he will be able to help you. its a real nice guy too...
good luck and please do let me know how you are comming along with your build!
Thank You for the great video and information. Could You tell me the size of the cater wheel? What is the diameter of the inner circle of wheels? Again Thank You.
the casterwheels are 10 cm, but with the metal frame they are in they are 12,5 cm hence the space I had to fit the motor in...
the outer ring is about 3,80 m the inner ring about 1,20 m.
Are you planning to build one?
cool idea. i wonder the how is the noise level in that thing
that is an excellent question Naseem! well, if you use music as we did in our performance you won't be able to hear it. if you have a quiet stage you will be able to hear it at full speed, but on lower to moderate speeds it is actually rather quiet. If I wanted it to be ever more quiet, i could add some sound-absorbing materials on the bottom of the lower disk. but I have not found I needed it..
You mentioned there are many plans out there to create one of these. I'm working on a smaller one of about 4ft X 4ft as the base. I think I could easily come up with the materials needed (non-swivelling wheels, wood etc.), but what is the construction of the middle bearing box that you have? Did you indeed follow a plan to create yours, and if so is it possible to share??
I did not see this bearing, because someone made it for me, but the principle is simple: if you insert a conical shaft for either bottom or deck and place the bearing in a conical-bed for the other side, you're ready, but you could also use smaller bearings and put them in a circle. if you can get one, there are also special bearings for this type of application
@@kropjesla01 That little component is a hell of a critical one as soon as you want to practically connect a motor to anything :)
Hello this is a stunning and ingenious revolving stage masterpiece 😊 I need to make one but I don’t have much time… quick question if I may.. have you layered two play one on top of each other for the top or just sandwiched the two with the tongue and groove system? I would like to replicate your idea for the dismantling as I would like to reuse it , but can’t quite understand the wood works …have you got any drawings.. ? It would help understand the cutting angles as mine need to be 4mt diameter too. Your carpenter worked magic. Great stuff.
Thanks
if you look closely you can see the boards laying out on the floor. It is only one layer of multiplex. (plywood) and two layers of wooden frame. we used two layers of wood so the bends on the wood could be the oposite of each other to avoid bending in the structure if that makes sense... the tonge and groove are in the middle layer of wood (so the first of the extra layers under the plywood.
you can see it on 0.52 and 1.00 min
I do not have drawings of the tongue and groovesystem...
Wow, amazing! Can I ask how do you move it from place to place? I would need to take it to the stage, and I can't see how
the flooring can be taken appart in 9 parts
you can see it in the still pictures. It is very lightweight too!
you could carry it alone if you had to... however it handles better with two people
i can fit all the parts in a small trailer
Amazing work! Do you hire this out to other drama groups? :)
Yes it is for hire!
Are the caster wheels polyurethane or rubber?
goog question! they are rubber!
Rubber is less noisy
Hi! Not sure if you'll see this but I was wondering is it possible to walk the same the table is revolving?
it can actually go pretty fast, so you'll have to run if your on the edge of the platfom, however it can be controlled in both directions on any speed (topspeed is about 13km/hour on the very rim...
Amazing !!! I want to build one of them !! How much it was kind of ?
if you are building it yourself it will be about 2000 euro's
Do you have a specific link for the motor? I'm not sure what motor would be good and don't want to get something only to go through the painstaking process of returning it.
sorry i missed your question before...
you cannot order the motor online as far as I know. however if you search for dc motor 1000 - 1500 watt you get a lot of usable links to manufacturers as well as import-businesses that can help you. just give them a call. in my experience they are usually happy to help, and they have a lot of knowledge they are happy to share...
I want to try to build this. I watched the video and saw that at least one part, you had made. The shaft that connects to the motor? Could I order that part from you or could you tell me where I could buy it? I think everything else I understand.
I'm sorry to inform you, I did not make the shaft myself. The shaft was handmade specially for me by a friend. Perhaps you can find some-one in your neighbourhood that can help you with that. preferably some-one with machining experience... the shaft has to be absolutely strait. this requires some precision welding. Let me know how you are getting along with your project, I would appreciate that!
Is it possible that this interest is growing maybe mechanics are now making them. But where would we find them. I am in Orlando Florida area.
Hello! Do you have a specific parts list for the motor and control system?
the DC-motor was bought at ALPATEC in the netherlands, the controller to go with it too, but you best try to find a seller in your neighbourhood. this will turn out very valluable, trust me! The DMX-system I used is from thewillows.nl (also dutch). But you should inform with suppliers in your neighbourhood as they will be able to help you get the right parts or you. I was surprised at how willing the people from alpatec and willows were to help me.
Where are you from?
I am a wood worker, but NOT a mechanic. I am also a dancer 💃🏻 (ballet, jazz, ballroom & an aerialist). I want to build one to dance on… adding short poles to hold on to for special positions. I see myself making a business out of it. I can do all the woodwork, casters, support beams, etc myself. I just need serious help with the electronics. Your guidance so far has been very gracious. Thank you so kindly for sharing your knowledge.
How well does the friction wheel hold the platform when it is not spinning? I'm trying to build one for a production but it would be integrated with the rest of the set. So there would be a lot of action happening on it, when it is not spinning.
I've had no issues of the platform spinning on its own. The weight of the platform plays a big role in it. you might get it to move by hand, but if that is really a big issue you can always try to add a break or a motion feedback system where you let the motor break the disk. as the frictionwheel is strong enough to spin it up it is also strong enough to break it.
hardest thing though is getting the disk flat enough so it keeps contact all the time...
Thank you. That's good to know. I plan on using a bigger scooter wheel ( I have 10 inches of clearance in my design) that should have a better grip. I'm working with a limited budget and time so I've selected parts that I can just buy and hopefully avoid making custom parts. My biggest concern was the platform potentially spinning from people just walking on it but now I feel confident to go from a theoretical idea to building and testing it. @@kropjesla01
I've been trying to find that motor on the alpatek website but am having no luck, do you have any specifics on that?
give them a call!
@@kropjesla01 The driveshaft you have, seems custom made. can you provide some insight on that?
@@danbirchett9351 it is indeed custom made, I was lucky to have the right friends. it is welded, but in order to weld it it has to be perfectly flat on the shaft. (it would also be possible to make one on a lathe and then bolt it on.
OH YES… using my lathe would work… but again I’m not a mechanic. I need to think about using my lathe & see if I could get it mounted sure.
Ik ga dit bouwen voor mijn pa en ik zodat we onze motoren niet achteruit hoeven te parkeren in onze smalle oprit. Opzich hoeft ie niet uit zichzelf te draaien maar wel moet ik nog even bedenken wat handig is qua support en natuurlijk watervastheid. top video. one of a kind.
in dat geval zou ik er een lassen. zodat de gewichtsverdeling stabieler is.. daar is ook ergens een filmpje van in omloop ik zal eens kijken of ik die vind.
czcams.com/video/lkcsd1MHqjk/video.html
denk wel goed na over water-afvoer, anders staat je hele draaischijf in het water....
check deze! czcams.com/video/OVn1qmzwluE/video.html
czcams.com/video/3JYIH3UFWOQ/video.html
Amazing work sir! can u pls tall me the catalog number of the bearing ?
I'm sorry I cannot, Somebody provided me with it, because he had it laying around. I never saw it. If I want to find out I have to tear it apart...
Heb je de website waar je de onderdelen voor de beweging vandaan hebt en welk hout is er gebruikt?
kun je iets specifieker zijn met je vraagstelling: welke onderdelen?
Hout is multiplex en vurenhout. Dit vurenhout is wel enkele malen verlijmd om de tordering tegen te werken die deze houtsoort kent...
This is absolutely fantastic! I am in the process of building something similar for my son's production of The Music Man at his senior year in high school. I have a few questions, I hope you can help. I see it is a 800 w motor, and I see the power supply is 24 V DC. What may I ask is the RPM of the motor? Can you provide the dimensions of the Draw Bolt Catches? The shop plans provided in comments below show a layer of plywood decking (top layer, layer 1), 2 layers of wood for the 'tongue and grove' interlocking underneath (layers 2 and 3, from the top), and another layer of plywood (layer 4). The images of the deck turned upside down at minute 1:00 appear to only have 3 layers. What layer number rides on the casters? I know it has been years since you built this, but thank you for your response :D
Oh, of course I just thought of a couple more questions. What is the gear ratio in the gear box? As well as the diameter of the drive wheel? Thanks again!
thank you for your reply, our revolving stage in fact does not have that many layers to it. We only use 1 layer of multiplex, but we reinforced it with wooden beams. the wooden beams are used to make tongue and grooves. it is this layer also that ride on the caster-wheels. it took some woodshaving to get it strait though. So I'm not sure that is the easiest aproach. it does make our stage very lightweight. the drawbolt catches are about 75 mm, but if I had to do it again, i would use bigger ones, because that would make them sturdier.
the motor is in fact 900 watts, but under normal conditions it won't draw much current at all. it can use op to 1100 watts under full power. The RPM is 3000 but we have a reductor that brings it down. type is IEC-71B14A
@@osuchemengguy the drive wheel is about the same size as the caster wheels, 8 cm
I'm not sure what the ratio is of the gearbox, but it is aprox 3:1
if you can find a motor manufacturer in your neighbourhood, I'm sure they can find the right combination for you. I was astounded how much help they offered me to get the right motor and gearbox.
dear sir with your permission. What spring did u used ?
It was a spring we could find in a local hardwarestore. We didn't measure the exact force needed, but just searched for a spring that felt had the right force. If we had gotten it wrong we would have adjusted the hight until we got the right amount of force.
How big is the stage. What's the diameter??and what does 245,45 on the plans mean?
I'm not sure what you are referring to with "plans" but diameter of this stage is 4 meters wich is about 157 inches
O now I see what you mean, 245,45 is simply the distance between the two crosspoints of the bottom half or the disk. it is the length that the quarter-ring with casterwheels has. This is important if you like to move the stage.
He’s using metrics. Something America thought we didn’t need 🤦🏻♀️ Just Google the number for conversion.
Hoi Steven, wat tof! Is de draaischijf ook te huren? :)
jazeker
@@kropjesla01 Tof! Hoe kom ik in contact of kan ik hier meer informatie over vinden?
@@okkevanlieshout facebook.com/tspgennep/
je kunt daar een bericht achterlaten, dan kunnen we contact opnemen.
@@okkevanlieshout of stuur een bericht via www.tspgennep.nl
Where did you get the big bearing?
just a local hardware-shop, I am lucky enough to be near a big store that has loads of new and used mechanical stuff.
Whats the song in the background?
it is copyright free music from CZcams, can't remember exactly
Ha, kun je er zo een bouwen voor mijn gezelschap? Wellicht iets groter?
Hoi Nicky, dankjewel voor je interesse. kunnen we eventueel contact opnemen?
heb je nog interesse?
dear sir thanks about the last command . Can u pls write the link of the motor pls ?
I cannot, even if I wanted. I called a local mtor-manufacturer and asked for advice in what motor and what controller to get. It is not as simple as ordering a stock motor, because stocks are very limmited these days. So it was a matter of, what motor do you have in stock that I can use for this particular build. If you have a local manufacturer in you neighbourhood I advise you to call them up. Usually they have such great knoledge that you will be glad you did. I called up a couple of local manufacturers and everyone of them was happy to help. but only one had the motor that had the power and measurements I needed (not to big)
What is the type of motor, the purchase link, and how to operate it on DMX
it is a 1100W dc motor, I don't have a puchase link, and the DMX is done with parts from willows www.thewillows.nl/Shop-BG/nl/din-rail-modules/145-99-3376-dmx-dc-motor-sturing-15a-v3.html
can you please show me what kink of bearing you used?
I'm sorry I cannot. I did not build that part myself.
but any big bearing will do basically.
How can I get a parts list for the motor and controls?
you cannot, a motor of this size is not a stock item, I had to contact Alpatec (company that sold me the motor and controller) They were more than happy to help me. It is a good idea to check a local manufacturer for advice.
@@kropjesla01 Thanks for all of this. Stay tuned. I am gonna try to create a revolving base for a carousel. Weeeeee!
@@alharris4689 looking forward to seeing your progress...
@@kropjesla01 my project was pushed out a year so we can not rush. This is really great so I can really get an amazing solution. Stay tuned . . .
Am interested in hiring, who do I get in contact with?
you can leave me a message on facebook.com/theaterpropsenrequisieten/ then we can get in touch.
Hello, how much horsepower is the motor?
I have no idea
Do you have any plans for the woodwork on this? I would love to try and build it.
I do not have them here, but "my" woodworker has them in his computer. I can ask if he's willing to share them.
@@kropjesla01 Thank you!
Any plans pls
@@ismailyigit4009 Oops I totally forgot with the lockdown and all...
Very impressive build! I would also like to get a copy of the woodworking plans, if they are available, for a production our school theatre is doing next year.
Can this be scaled down say 40 inches
Sure it can, here's an example of someone-else doing just that. czcams.com/video/Eoi5CvMfYTg/video.html
Possible to buy all the electronic parts already assembled from you ? :)
I'm not a manufacturer, but I could ask my electrician if he can make you a set?
kropjesla01 that would have been awesome!:)
@@der583 I spoke to my electrician today, he would be more than happy to make you a set. I can put you in touch with him
@@der583 He offers you to put in you in touch !! 3 months and still waiting. Come on.
Patience & politeness will carry you farther on your journey.
Hello! May I know the type of motor?
it was a brushed DC motor of about 800 watt
Hello, I'm in the process of building a revolving stage. I can't find the right engine for it. Can you help me? Or maybe give an address where I can get the Moror from Alpatec.
Kind regards Michael
Sure i'm happy to help, where do you live? I live in Nederland. a local supplier will be able to help you better, so if you're from around here thats great, otherwise I would advise you to look for a local supplier. anyway, Here is the site from alpatec:
alpatek.com/?lang=nl
if you're in the uk you could try www.drivesystemsuk.co.uk/dc-motors-gearmotors.html
@@kropjesla01no,i live in Germany and can‘t find a suitable strong enigine for it here
@@michaelpiotraschke5374 try here: www.js-technik.de/nl/
it would be a good idea for you to call them up and explain what your trying to build, i'm sure they can help you get the right combination of motor/reductor and controller
we will like to enquiry for rotating flatform in uae , do you have any contact here ,
where is uae? we live in the netherlands
United Arabic Emirates?
I want to build a revolving platform for some drums
sounds awsome, but you'd have to use wireless miking, or sliding contacts.... unless you can use big beams for overhead miking of course...
Some steel tubing and steel sheet plates would do. Also what kind of motor would be best
@@phatjesus57 I find DC-motors are easiest to control. so if possible I would go with that. I have some specs in the description
I want to build that but 3x the size
wow, in that case it would be better to make a base out of aluminum. that will bend much less and will give much more stabillity for such a big size...also it will reduce the weight!
keep me posted on your progress
You should look for a used merry go round
Your imagination has not engaged to see what this can do. It’s an expensive & usually professional stage used by actors & dancers. It’s not a play toy.
I find it striking that you have come to this conclusion by just looking at this video. But you are right, it is expensive. sometimes you just have to reach a bit further to get creative. this stage was not build for one production though. we planned on using it more often. the stage is also available for others to hire for their productions. just maybe my imagination went a bit further that you expect
But from the One Clip you show it it looks like a lot of wasted money just to have a bunch of kids running on a revolving stage.