Yeah. A big thing here like Dalton said was that priority isn't ever passed. He didn't get a chance to read his opponent because he didn't do an action that could be responded to.
Hey, could you maybe do a DDR about the policy's about takesys backsys? In regular or in competative When is it okay, to let someone take back a move? When should you be worried and investigate further? I myself am a bit of a chaotic player. But when I run a tournament, I have to lead with a good example. And in the judge program for level 1 this wasn't really mentioned.
A judge was called. There is no room for interpretation here. A land was played. That land should stay. Now I, as a player, would allow my opponent to take back the land assuming LITERALLY nothing else has happened. As in he played the land, looked at it and said "oh shoot, I actually want the land from this ability. Do you mind if I do that?" I gain the info of the Swamp in hand and nothing changes. But if I decide to call a judge, maybe it benefits me that he has one less card in hand, maybe him having played that swamp affects something, anything, that i felt was worth calling a judge over for... Well I would expect the judge to follow the rules of the game. Not to go "oh well it was just down for a second, I as judge will disregard the rules because it makes this player feel better" I'm not a try hard. Never will be. But if I have to get a judge involved there is a reason and I shouldn't have to explain that reason to my opponent for a judge to make such a basic ruling.
^ This. The whole point of the game is living and dying by the land drop... He had already played his land, then moved to attack... then wanted to take it back. No way.
One aspect I have to vehemently disagree with that was brought up multiple times is the opponent being tapped out. Your ruling should have NO BASIS on what the opponent has or had, you are adding a variable that will only make things more complex and possibly unfair. In almost all scenarios follow the old adage, a card laid is a card played.
A land was played. That land is now on the battle field. This is a less efficient play then going to battle first. The blocking player now has more knowledge as to whether or not he should block. An attack was declared. You cannot pick up the land now. You cannot change the order you do things for a better order after you played the worse order. This is a bad ruling.
Its sloppy play and especially on competitive its bad practice to "encourage" that. On casual rel that happens so often and players usually just ask the opponent "Can i return the land ?" and basically always its fine, without any judge involved to do that, as its so intuitively trivial sloppy play error.
I was confused too, it seemed like active player played land, went to combat, and then decided to change his mind
Not a judge but I love magic rulings. I love these types or videos. Currently binging
Yeah. A big thing here like Dalton said was that priority isn't ever passed. He didn't get a chance to read his opponent because he didn't do an action that could be responded to.
Hey, could you maybe do a DDR about the policy's about takesys backsys?
In regular or in competative
When is it okay, to let someone take back a move? When should you be worried and investigate further?
I myself am a bit of a chaotic player. But when I run a tournament, I have to lead with a good example.
And in the judge program for level 1 this wasn't really mentioned.
@2:08 Guy standing on the left looks like the judge where I played my first competitive tournament.
This guy has some charisma.
That guys posture is hard to look at.
great video. verz good reminder
He missed his optimal play. He shouldn't be allowed to take it back.
Take back shouldn’t be allowed. Not sure what these judges are smoking.
A judge was called. There is no room for interpretation here. A land was played. That land should stay.
Now I, as a player, would allow my opponent to take back the land assuming LITERALLY nothing else has happened. As in he played the land, looked at it and said "oh shoot, I actually want the land from this ability. Do you mind if I do that?"
I gain the info of the Swamp in hand and nothing changes.
But if I decide to call a judge, maybe it benefits me that he has one less card in hand, maybe him having played that swamp affects something, anything, that i felt was worth calling a judge over for... Well I would expect the judge to follow the rules of the game. Not to go "oh well it was just down for a second, I as judge will disregard the rules because it makes this player feel better"
I'm not a try hard. Never will be. But if I have to get a judge involved there is a reason and I shouldn't have to explain that reason to my opponent for a judge to make such a basic ruling.
It should be like chess, when you drop the piece/card its too late, no coming back.
^ This. The whole point of the game is living and dying by the land drop... He had already played his land, then moved to attack... then wanted to take it back. No way.
@@PureSolace No, he played his land, thought for a moment, then took it back, THEN went to combat. It was not in the middle of combat.
Lol oh come on what was the ruling, I wanna know if I got it right. xD
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One aspect I have to vehemently disagree with that was brought up multiple times is the opponent being tapped out. Your ruling should have NO BASIS on what the opponent has or had, you are adding a variable that will only make things more complex and possibly unfair. In almost all scenarios follow the old adage, a card laid is a card played.
A land was played. That land is now on the battle field. This is a less efficient play then going to battle first. The blocking player now has more knowledge as to whether or not he should block. An attack was declared. You cannot pick up the land now. You cannot change the order you do things for a better order after you played the worse order. This is a bad ruling.
What they said was that the guy played his land, said “wait no I shouldn’t do that”, picked it up, then went to combat, so, no.
Its sloppy play and especially on competitive its bad practice to "encourage" that. On casual rel that happens so often and players usually just ask the opponent "Can i return the land ?" and basically always its fine, without any judge involved to do that, as its so intuitively trivial sloppy play error.
Bad call