I feel like slugs disappearing at 100m is the perfect demonstration of the weird ways shotguns have to work for videogame balance. Because I can assure you that you do not want to be standing 100m away from the business end of a shotgun shooting slugs
Amazing Quality for your 4th Video. I clicked on this and expected a whole series in this format, considering how well made, quickly paced and informative this vid is. Keep it up buddy
@@clownworld4655 in theory slug is a straight upgrade to shells if you ignore it being special. Flechette works nice with explosive crossy or sparks. Penny is fantastic for pve and it has a far further oneshot range, but you do trade reliability as you have 50% less pellets. Fire ammo i do think is kind of a waste.
I was pleasantly surprised by your channel. Informative and to the point, a little gem of a channel. I think your format would work great with "vs" videos where you can compare the stats of similar guns. Just a suggestion of course, would also love if you did a video on the centennial. Edit: Just saw you're 1 step ahead of me with the vs idea.
A solid video that cuts the fluff and gets straight to the point. I hope to see some more stuff like this! One thing I will say for your closing thought that "there is no reason to not use the Crown and King" is that, on paper, that's true, but the sights for the Crown and King have always been kind of weird to look through for me at least. The Double Barrel has probably a cleanest sight picture and lets you immediately get off a second shot, similar to the crown and king. Though it's true that the crown has the range advantage for headshot kills, the upper and lower torso is debatably negligible with the 1 meter difference. Though most of that is just down to personal preference with the sights. But again, I didn't know any of this about slugs, and will definitely influence how and what I use slugs with down the line.
not to mention that with buckshot the rng can fck you up very badly, when you're not using slugs.. don't know how many time the crown just said nono when i used it in extreme close quarters xD i found the slate to be more consistent with buckshot
Great video. Personally, I already knew this myself but it is always good to have a refresher. The firing range is great and will open a lot of testing bits for this game.
I knew, instinctively, that the crown slugs were the best, but I had no idea why (esp. when buck was so bad on it), so this vid was really informative.
I like the quality, and the content is good! I think your a bit quiet, and you should turn your mic up a bit. Steelseries is great for helping mic quality, otherwise great job and very informative!
With hard damage numbers and distance indicators, the amount of testing the nerds are going to do with the next patch is going to clear up many many misconceptions about the game, especially with shotguns.
Hey man, great video and thanks for sharing. A bit of feedback on the video: the audio level at the start of the video was great, loud and clear. But the later sections seem quieter and less clear, maybe the mic is farther away or something or you changed the audio levels? The barrel length section is quieter, and it gets quieter with the slug damage/loadout changes section. Then closing thoughts seems to be a bit louder, but not as loud as the intro. I'd recommend normalizing the volume throughout the video to match the initial section's audio, since people usually adjust their volume when the start watching a new video, but it can be distracting to adjust it mid video. Cheers, looking to seeing more of your stuff in the future.
That's some very useful knowledge! Btw could you turn up the voice over Audio in the future? VO was quiet in the beginning and then things got pretty loud when gameplay began
Fairly interesting to know and nice style of video. I usually run slugs with romero because I find it fun but usually don't play with the crown and king
I don't think Specter's spread is wider. The screenshot evidence he shows (from Forrest Williams) has the Specter spread magnified more than the Romero HC spread. If anything they are the same, though to me it looks like Specter has slightly tighter spread. (not that the difference matters much at all lol)
First of all. How the h I missing this channel. This is awesome and useful. Can’t wait for watch till the end to subscribe. Thank you. Even I mainly using slug, I still love the details that you explain. It’s so easy to understand. Hope to see you in next video soon. Thank you.
Good video with good info thanks! Was really surprised about 3:42 , I knew this was a problem for crossbows/bows and for some reason I thought it was also the case for slugs. Also, quite surprised how long barrel and medium barrel have similar ranges (thought it was like 2-3m diff), I guess it doesn't matter that much.
I think shoguns should get a new variant, the paradox variant which gives them rifled chokes to use with slugs and remove slugs from the other variants, that way if you wanna balance slugs you don't have to touch the other shotguns. It also feels like slugs are mostly used for CQC oneshots and not for what they were designed for really. Maybe decrease dmg to 145 similar to a sparks and then have them retain more dmg at range so they are more of an option to engage people at longer ranges with a shotgun and not the nonplusultra shotgun round.
Technically, the spread is much tighter than the reticle shows. You may have seen the 'Hunt's Shotgun Reticle Lies' videos, where they cover that. I agree with you, though! Either represent it as it is, or make those max-range ohk's possible with the choke that comes with having a longer barrel.
@@CasualDandyAkaSqwrty yea I’m aware and the reticles should be fixed, but the fact that some handcanon variants are technically better than full sized shotguns is unbalanced. People cry about the very thought of buffing shotguns though just like they whine about the Avto being OP when it’s really not or the nitro not being the worst gun in the game if you factor in the price.
@@robertharris6092the reticule shows where the center cone of the spread goes. Then each individual pellet spread is calculated to be within that cone. The crosshair therefore only shows where the barrel could "point" during firing when shooting from the hip
Im a bit confused. The intro seems to indicate that the crown has farther range than romero and spectre yet they are all long barrel and therefore should all be exactly the same correct?
@@PracticalPotato For sure im just saying the way the others were crossed off gives the impression that the crown was correct answer as opposed to the answer being they are all equal.
I think your approach to detail would greatly benefit to a melee guide. All purchasable melee, lootable ones on the map, the perk to throw lootable melee and it’s various applications and damage values, etc
Honestly, buckshot is just great overall, especially if you move with speed and aggression. My squad will run a load out where one of us has a suppressed rifle for which they lay down covering fire. The second will run a Romero hatchet and a Caldwell chain with fanning and dum dums. I run a bow and a Romero hatchet or a Talon if I have quarter master. The Romero chain and Caldwell guy runs frags while I run a single dynamite bundle and concertina and block exits. We dynamite a door open getting rid of traps, then throw four frags in and storm in. It usually works as most people cannot front a coherent defense in a few seconds. It also helps too that we can actually aim as well.
I love your channel and your almost scientifically correct approach :) (the shooting range really makes a lot of things easier in this respect!) I'm still unclear after the video whether you would recommend slugs on the handcannons/compact variants vs buckshot or flechettes?
I was playing against my friend for fun in the range, full dmg enabled. He used slug with caldwell rival canon, i used normal ammo Crown&King. I tapped him while he was climbing up a latter in the upper body, he had 1 hp or so left and 1 tapped me with his slug, i was devastated 😂
Quick observation, if I recall right, I think a while ago they changed the specter bayonet to be a long barrel as well. I might be wrong tho. Could be nice to check it out to be completely sure.
I love running shotguns, but they have been pretty underwhelming recently, idk why. What i found through hours of playing is this: 1. romero with pennies for pve 2. slugs for crown and king 3. bleed for spectre 4. normal ammo for caldwell due to the burst double hit 5. normal ammo + levering is 50/50 on terminus Other ammo types just suck balls. I have yet to give pennies a try. I can't one shot anything anymore with a shotgun, so i stick with caldwell for that burst damage. It really pains me to see this, because i enjoy the shotty vs the long ammo bois. There are more mind games.
I suggest penny or slugs on slate. I usually rock the rival tho. Since with ita firerate u usually get 2 shots of in a peek, and its 2shot range is crazy
i miss the old shotgun barrel mechanic, some shotguns feel frustratingly inconsistent now. Feels exceptionally bad to get outranged by a handcannon when im carrying a full size shotgun because I got unlucky with pellet spread.
Once I started playing crossbow, I stopped playing slugs and never went back. 1k hours later and it's still the same. Buckshot or crossbow for me. Shotbolt also has an infinite kill range if you hit upper torso or head.
1:37 Is there more evidence for Romero Handcannon buckshot spread being tighter than the Specter? The screenshots you show are from Forrest Williams' video, where he states that handcannons are nearly as accurate as the full length variants. The screenshot for the Specter is more magnified, since the purpose was to compare reticule to spread, rather than spread between shotguns. Love these informative videos btw.
When I was playing with slugs in the shooting range I noticed passed their hs range it was no longer counting as a headshot. Example 20 meters with lemat carbine one shot hill with the headshot sound effect but 21 meters didn't kill and don't play the sound effect
Im not fan of the slugs. I feel like they are too reliant on mid-range torso shooting. I prefer a 2-shot rifle that kills at (almost) any distance, or if I take it more to the extreme, a general purpose shotgun to obliterate the hunter who had the audacity to get close to me. Added to the fact that they are expensive, they end up being a No-No to my taste.
So is are bolts and arrows simply better than slugs? I suppose they can't penetrate wood walls, but they have so much longer OHKO range. Especially the bow and arrow, which can even one-shot-kill when hitting an arm from up to 6m away with hundred hands trait buff full draw (~3.3 seconds). Plus bow can quickfire follow up with a not full draw refire time of ~1.3 seconds. Bow just feels vastly superior to handcannons, and even fill sized slug shotguns, assuming you can keep it full drawn ahead of time
Yes, with the caveat that since bolts and arrows don't have limb penetration, you can often hit someone dead in the center of their chest and still not have it be a kill. Slugs are a bit less range, but their muzzle velocity coupled with their ability to penetrate limbs means they will feel more consistent.
@@Cornf hmm, good point. I guess to revise my theory crafting, just to write it down, in light of that point, bow/crossbow is better than slug shotguns from point blank to 6m away (OHKO arms, muzzle speed doesn't matter yet), but then between 6m and 16m, slug shotguns could potentially OHKO by penetrating an arm to hit an upper torso, whereas arrow/bolt just stick in the arm (but still OHKO lower gut, and could bleed kill). And then anything past 15m bow/crossbow can OHKO torso whereas slugs cannot. And very far headshot range, but bullet velocity makes it unlikely. So slugs have the potential to perform better at specifically between 6m-16m, if a slug penetrates an arm to hit the upper (not lower) torso. Which... Seems bad
I would be interested in your opinion about Penny shot. As you said in another video, shotguns are designed for ohk. But often enough they just don't (too long range, limb hit etc.). I allways tought Penny shot to be just a downgread, but recently I figured the high damage + bleed can give you another chance in a fight.
I'm interested in pennyshot as well, I can tell you from just goofing around in the firing range that the range isn't great, but there could be some outlier shotguns that I missed.
For a very decent editing I guess you need to review text slides more carefully, there are few typos. But overall a good video. Even a little bit of new info for me after 2200 hrs in game.
What are your thoughts about slugs on the LeMat carbine? Just killed the entire lobby last night mostly using it but wanted to know if you tested that at all. Great vid and thanks for the info!
I like the idea of the LMC but I have a hard time with the bullet velocity, the shotgun barrel is super versatile though. I'm more excited for the uppermat.
The problem with your initial buckshot segment is that there's more to buckshot efficacy than spread pattern. Every shotgun has slightly differing damage falloff per pellet. This is why the Terminus, for example, deals less effective damage at 10m than a Slate, but *can* 1-shot someone at 14m while the Slate's ability to do this ends at 13m. You're also talking about this concept as if there has been a fundamental change; there hasn't, at least not to buckshot. There have simply *always* been exceptions to the general trend. The fundamental change has been to slugs.
It’s fascinating watching gameplay of some of these guys. Running full speed, opponent running full speed, and they just flick the weapon up and snap a headshot at 75m+ with iron sights. Yeahhhhhhh. About that.
This might be a wierd one, but with avtomat, is it worth at long ranges to do the shot cancel (fire one shot then imminently swap guns) or just fire all three rounds?
Pre 1.13? Yes. Post 1.13? Probably not. Even though you're only shooting one bullet it still subtracts 3 from your mag, with ammo as scarce as it is in 1.13 it won't be worthwhile.
I still think sluggs are balanced poorly. Lower 1 tap to body but increases headshot dmg by alot to actually rewarding headshots and give them back the spare ammo they nerfs took away
The hand cannon has better spread than the spectre? Did they change both? I have been feeling the spectre is kinda shit lately? Comparison vid for all shotguns maybe? :D
Weird right? The slate(med) also has a tighter spread then the crown(long). Check the description, I've linked an image with all of the shotgun spread patterns.
I feel like slugs disappearing at 100m is the perfect demonstration of the weird ways shotguns have to work for videogame balance. Because I can assure you that you do not want to be standing 100m away from the business end of a shotgun shooting slugs
They could make them deal extremely low damage instead...disappearing shotgun pellets in video game is getting annoying
Rifle rounnds disapear after... 400? Meters. Its at something around there.
@@ZzVinniezZ all projectiles disapear after a certain distance.
M1014 slugs are used at 90m reliably. I know its a modern gun but hunt balancing is funny.
@@cloggedpizza239 You can shoot slugs past 200m if you know what you are doing. And shotguns are lethal way, way past 12m lol.
The analysis content creation space on this game is pretty wide open, there arent many doing it! Im excited to see more from you, this was great.
Amazing Quality for your 4th Video. I clicked on this and expected a whole series in this format, considering how well made, quickly paced and informative this vid is. Keep it up buddy
That means a lot, thanks!
Lately I often find i've regretted taking slugs at all and most situations i'd rather of had buckshot
Every time i use slugs i find nyaelf saying.
" if i has used a crossbow hed be dead."
Regular buckshot is the best in all shotguns. If I want longer range I use flechette and two tap hipfire people
@@clownworld4655 in theory slug is a straight upgrade to shells if you ignore it being special.
Flechette works nice with explosive crossy or sparks.
Penny is fantastic for pve and it has a far further oneshot range, but you do trade reliability as you have 50% less pellets.
Fire ammo i do think is kind of a waste.
I use slugs like buckshot at close range, and it tends to work just fine. I have a few clips of it recently uploaded as well.
I prefer pennyshot in the terminus, slugs in the handcannons, and buck in literally everything else.
I was pleasantly surprised by your channel. Informative and to the point, a little gem of a channel. I think your format would work great with "vs" videos where you can compare the stats of similar guns. Just a suggestion of course, would also love if you did a video on the centennial.
Edit: Just saw you're 1 step ahead of me with the vs idea.
A solid video that cuts the fluff and gets straight to the point. I hope to see some more stuff like this!
One thing I will say for your closing thought that "there is no reason to not use the Crown and King" is that, on paper, that's true, but the sights for the Crown and King have always been kind of weird to look through for me at least. The Double Barrel has probably a cleanest sight picture and lets you immediately get off a second shot, similar to the crown and king. Though it's true that the crown has the range advantage for headshot kills, the upper and lower torso is debatably negligible with the 1 meter difference. Though most of that is just down to personal preference with the sights.
But again, I didn't know any of this about slugs, and will definitely influence how and what I use slugs with down the line.
Imo it's gotta be between the rival and the slate
not to mention that with buckshot the rng can fck you up very badly, when you're not using slugs.. don't know how many time the crown just said nono when i used it in extreme close quarters xD i found the slate to be more consistent with buckshot
2:36 that was a stinking shot
Great video. Personally, I already knew this myself but it is always good to have a refresher. The firing range is great and will open a lot of testing bits for this game.
I knew, instinctively, that the crown slugs were the best, but I had no idea why (esp. when buck was so bad on it), so this vid was really informative.
Excellent video, I'm so glad the shooting range allows for extensive tests like this!
I like the quality, and the content is good! I think your a bit quiet, and you should turn your mic up a bit. Steelseries is great for helping mic quality, otherwise great job and very informative!
Thanks, I'll try upping the gain next time.
With hard damage numbers and distance indicators, the amount of testing the nerds are going to do with the next patch is going to clear up many many misconceptions about the game, especially with shotguns.
Great video! I hope to see more informative videos like this!
I most like how you were able to put this in a quick video under six minutes and didn't drag it out to 20 minutes like other people's videos.
Hey man, great video and thanks for sharing.
A bit of feedback on the video: the audio level at the start of the video was great, loud and clear. But the later sections seem quieter and less clear, maybe the mic is farther away or something or you changed the audio levels? The barrel length section is quieter, and it gets quieter with the slug damage/loadout changes section. Then closing thoughts seems to be a bit louder, but not as loud as the intro. I'd recommend normalizing the volume throughout the video to match the initial section's audio, since people usually adjust their volume when the start watching a new video, but it can be distracting to adjust it mid video.
Cheers, looking to seeing more of your stuff in the future.
Oh boy such amazing content! A video on grenades sure would be awesome!
That's some very useful knowledge!
Btw could you turn up the voice over Audio in the future? VO was quiet in the beginning and then things got pretty loud when gameplay began
that's some outstanding quality for a channel with less than 1K subscribers! Keep it on!
Fairly interesting to know and nice style of video. I usually run slugs with romero because I find it fun but usually don't play with the crown and king
Best hunt showdown channel I’ve ever seen!
Thanks for info videos
specter having wider spread than romero HC is wild
Comes down to dmg tho
I don't think Specter's spread is wider. The screenshot evidence he shows (from Forrest Williams) has the Specter spread magnified more than the Romero HC spread. If anything they are the same, though to me it looks like Specter has slightly tighter spread. (not that the difference matters much at all lol)
First of all. How the h I missing this channel. This is awesome and useful. Can’t wait for watch till the end to subscribe. Thank you.
Even I mainly using slug, I still love the details that you explain. It’s so easy to understand. Hope to see you in next video soon.
Thank you.
Good video with good info thanks!
Was really surprised about 3:42 , I knew this was a problem for crossbows/bows and for some reason I thought it was also the case for slugs.
Also, quite surprised how long barrel and medium barrel have similar ranges (thought it was like 2-3m diff), I guess it doesn't matter that much.
short concise and well put together! love it!
I think shoguns should get a new variant, the paradox variant which gives them rifled chokes to use with slugs and remove slugs from the other variants, that way if you wanna balance slugs you don't have to touch the other shotguns. It also feels like slugs are mostly used for CQC oneshots and not for what they were designed for really. Maybe decrease dmg to 145 similar to a sparks and then have them retain more dmg at range so they are more of an option to engage people at longer ranges with a shotgun and not the nonplusultra shotgun round.
Great video, really changed my mind about the lemat. Keep it up!
All buckshot spreads imgur.com/a/IxuWAOV Credit to u/ForTheWilliams
Wow, the romero handcannon is *surprisingly* tight.
Good video m8, keep it up
Awesome format! And very informative.
Please keep it up!
So the crown really IS king huh? Very informative, thank you for the info, you just got yourself a new sub!
This was a very straight forward and informative video. Thank you for that sir.
Good info, good length. Good.
Great video. I learned a lot.
Wow, excellent detail and information in this video! Subbing right away. Thanks for the slug knowledge!
Great video and great info. Definitely looking forward to experimenting in the shooting range myself.
They really need to tighten the spread of full sized shotguns
Technically, the spread is much tighter than the reticle shows. You may have seen the 'Hunt's Shotgun Reticle Lies' videos, where they cover that. I agree with you, though! Either represent it as it is, or make those max-range ohk's possible with the choke that comes with having a longer barrel.
They just need to make the crosshair match it. Its stupid that someone can be half inside the crosshair but onlyv1 or 2 pellets hit them.
@@CasualDandyAkaSqwrty yea I’m aware and the reticles should be fixed, but the fact that some handcanon variants are technically better than full sized shotguns is unbalanced. People cry about the very thought of buffing shotguns though just like they whine about the Avto being OP when it’s really not or the nitro not being the worst gun in the game if you factor in the price.
@@robertharris6092the reticule shows where the center cone of the spread goes. Then each individual pellet spread is calculated to be within that cone.
The crosshair therefore only shows where the barrel could "point" during firing when shooting from the hip
@@Squee7e except every single time you shoot the cone is in tge dead center of the crosshair.
Damn fine work
Great content, looking forward to watching more
Love to see that the firing range is already being so usefull, and it hasn't even come out on live servers yet.
Im a bit confused. The intro seems to indicate that the crown has farther range than romero and spectre yet they are all long barrel and therefore should all be exactly the same correct?
It’s a trick question. If you said any of them has better range than the others you’d be wrong.
@@PracticalPotato For sure im just saying the way the others were crossed off gives the impression that the crown was correct answer as opposed to the answer being they are all equal.
I think your approach to detail would greatly benefit to a melee guide. All purchasable melee, lootable ones on the map, the perk to throw lootable melee and it’s various applications and damage values, etc
nice wallbang at 2:36
If you like wall bangs you'll love my next video. Should be out in a couple of days.
Quality Hunt content. Subbed.
Honestly, buckshot is just great overall, especially if you move with speed and aggression. My squad will run a load out where one of us has a suppressed rifle for which they lay down covering fire. The second will run a Romero hatchet and a Caldwell chain with fanning and dum dums. I run a bow and a Romero hatchet or a Talon if I have quarter master. The Romero chain and Caldwell guy runs frags while I run a single dynamite bundle and concertina and block exits. We dynamite a door open getting rid of traps, then throw four frags in and storm in. It usually works as most people cannot front a coherent defense in a few seconds. It also helps too that we can actually aim as well.
Thanks for the informative video, subbed!
great video!
I love your channel and your almost scientifically correct approach :) (the shooting range really makes a lot of things easier in this respect!)
I'm still unclear after the video whether you would recommend slugs on the handcannons/compact variants vs buckshot or flechettes?
wow nuew sub, thanks CZcams for the recommendation XD
I was playing against my friend for fun in the range, full dmg enabled. He used slug with caldwell rival canon, i used normal ammo Crown&King. I tapped him while he was climbing up a latter in the upper body, he had 1 hp or so left and 1 tapped me with his slug, i was devastated 😂
Great video
I have had better luck with the spector, but this info is very helpful
Great vid
Pennyshot next pls :) specific the spray pattern compared to buckshot und the amount of pennys per shot
SPECTER!
DAMNIT!
Very cool cornf
MOAR Analysis Videos please.
Quick observation, if I recall right, I think a while ago they changed the specter bayonet to be a long barrel as well. I might be wrong tho. Could be nice to check it out to be completely sure.
C&K originally was a medium barrel shotgun not a long one. It was updated down the line somewhere (release of terminus maybe?)
I love running shotguns, but they have been pretty underwhelming recently, idk why. What i found through hours of playing is this:
1. romero with pennies for pve
2. slugs for crown and king
3. bleed for spectre
4. normal ammo for caldwell due to the burst double hit
5. normal ammo + levering is 50/50 on terminus
Other ammo types just suck balls. I have yet to give pennies a try.
I can't one shot anything anymore with a shotgun, so i stick with caldwell for that burst damage. It really pains me to see this, because i enjoy the shotty vs the long ammo bois. There are more mind games.
I suggest penny or slugs on slate.
I usually rock the rival tho.
Since with ita firerate u usually get 2 shots of in a peek, and its 2shot range is crazy
Give buckshot on the terminus another try, it's my personal favorite shotgun
I can tell you aren’t very experienced with shotguns
@@clownworld4655 who?
You shoulsnt be shooting anything in PVE.
i miss the old shotgun barrel mechanic, some shotguns feel frustratingly inconsistent now. Feels exceptionally bad to get outranged by a handcannon when im carrying a full size shotgun because I got unlucky with pellet spread.
Once I started playing crossbow, I stopped playing slugs and never went back. 1k hours later and it's still the same. Buckshot or crossbow for me. Shotbolt also has an infinite kill range if you hit upper torso or head.
1:37 Is there more evidence for Romero Handcannon buckshot spread being tighter than the Specter? The screenshots you show are from Forrest Williams' video, where he states that handcannons are nearly as accurate as the full length variants. The screenshot for the Specter is more magnified, since the purpose was to compare reticule to spread, rather than spread between shotguns.
Love these informative videos btw.
Kept hitting arms with lemat slugs and blaming the lemat. Now I know it's a slug thing; very useful to know. I'll be using slugs even less
Cool video !
Could you do one for penny shot?
No one touches it as a subject
great content! 🤠👍
thats a sub for you and hopefully more videos for me 😉
why was this supposed to be suprising? this data pretty much aligned with what i thought nearly 1:1
good video though, very informative.
Hell yeh brutha
When I was playing with slugs in the shooting range I noticed passed their hs range it was no longer counting as a headshot.
Example 20 meters with lemat carbine one shot hill with the headshot sound effect but 21 meters didn't kill and don't play the sound effect
Im not fan of the slugs. I feel like they are too reliant on mid-range torso shooting. I prefer a 2-shot rifle that kills at (almost) any distance, or if I take it more to the extreme, a general purpose shotgun to obliterate the hunter who had the audacity to get close to me. Added to the fact that they are expensive, they end up being a No-No to my taste.
Good info 😊
Great video, but could you up the volume a little? Its very quiet.
Looks like LeMat is back on the menu boys !
Slug seems to make it a competitive one shot gun
They always have
Great video and here’s a test idea: how much more pen does FMJ give over regular ammo?
At the top of my list. I'm super interested in this as well.
So is are bolts and arrows simply better than slugs?
I suppose they can't penetrate wood walls, but they have so much longer OHKO range. Especially the bow and arrow, which can even one-shot-kill when hitting an arm from up to 6m away with hundred hands trait buff full draw (~3.3 seconds). Plus bow can quickfire follow up with a not full draw refire time of ~1.3 seconds. Bow just feels vastly superior to handcannons, and even fill sized slug shotguns, assuming you can keep it full drawn ahead of time
Yes, with the caveat that since bolts and arrows don't have limb penetration, you can often hit someone dead in the center of their chest and still not have it be a kill. Slugs are a bit less range, but their muzzle velocity coupled with their ability to penetrate limbs means they will feel more consistent.
@@Cornf hmm, good point.
I guess to revise my theory crafting, just to write it down, in light of that point, bow/crossbow is better than slug shotguns from point blank to 6m away (OHKO arms, muzzle speed doesn't matter yet), but then between 6m and 16m, slug shotguns could potentially OHKO by penetrating an arm to hit an upper torso, whereas arrow/bolt just stick in the arm (but still OHKO lower gut, and could bleed kill). And then anything past 15m bow/crossbow can OHKO torso whereas slugs cannot. And very far headshot range, but bullet velocity makes it unlikely. So slugs have the potential to perform better at specifically between 6m-16m, if a slug penetrates an arm to hit the upper (not lower) torso. Which... Seems bad
I would be interested in your opinion about Penny shot. As you said in another video, shotguns are designed for ohk. But often enough they just don't (too long range, limb hit etc.). I allways tought Penny shot to be just a downgread, but recently I figured the high damage + bleed can give you another chance in a fight.
I'm interested in pennyshot as well, I can tell you from just goofing around in the firing range that the range isn't great, but there could be some outlier shotguns that I missed.
For a very decent editing I guess you need to review text slides more carefully, there are few typos. But overall a good video. Even a little bit of new info for me after 2200 hrs in game.
What are your thoughts about slugs on the LeMat carbine? Just killed the entire lobby last night mostly using it but wanted to know if you tested that at all. Great vid and thanks for the info!
I like the idea of the LMC but I have a hard time with the bullet velocity, the shotgun barrel is super versatile though. I'm more excited for the uppermat.
@@Cornf thats fair, you have to LEAD those shots! 😂 thanks for the reply.
Can you make a review of Garfield Kart next? I would like to know if Jon is a more efficient build than Liz. Thanks!
The problem with your initial buckshot segment is that there's more to buckshot efficacy than spread pattern. Every shotgun has slightly differing damage falloff per pellet. This is why the Terminus, for example, deals less effective damage at 10m than a Slate, but *can* 1-shot someone at 14m while the Slate's ability to do this ends at 13m. You're also talking about this concept as if there has been a fundamental change; there hasn't, at least not to buckshot. There have simply *always* been exceptions to the general trend. The fundamental change has been to slugs.
Id suggest checking the volume on the videos, the volume was really low on this one
good info, take some audience interaction
Hope you can make the Same Video only With the Short shotguns
Great video, but the Specter with slugs will always be my favorite.
5:18 are you using reshade?
Please do Crossbow bolts and Shotbolts next
I'm definitely interested in all of the bow types and their custom ammos, maybe after 1.13 drops officially
The Romero blows, Rival gang for life!
I've played with this guy before he's 1 star MMR, he asked me to boost his rank because he wants to be higher MMR than his best friend Jacob Franovic.
Funny how whole concept changes totally from buckshots to slugs
It’s fascinating watching gameplay of some of these guys. Running full speed, opponent running full speed, and they just flick the weapon up and snap a headshot at 75m+ with iron sights. Yeahhhhhhh. About that.
‘There’s no reason to not use the crown & king’ expect cost of course
This might be a wierd one, but with avtomat, is it worth at long ranges to do the shot cancel (fire one shot then imminently swap guns) or just fire all three rounds?
Pre 1.13? Yes. Post 1.13? Probably not. Even though you're only shooting one bullet it still subtracts 3 from your mag, with ammo as scarce as it is in 1.13 it won't be worthwhile.
Does the Romero handcannon actually have better spread than specter?
You forgot a crucial part about slugs.
They are way more powerful coming out of the enemy barrel.
I still think sluggs are balanced poorly. Lower 1 tap to body but increases headshot dmg by alot to actually rewarding headshots and give them back the spare ammo they nerfs took away
yes, they are overnerfed and too expensive for what they do
The game needs to gi e less incentice to headshots not more.
C&K is expensive. Romero is cheap, the sluggs on it are cheaper too and you can have a second ammo-type.
C&K slugs is so damn fun. Except you're out of ammo after the first fight 😅
Great vid except the default volume is very soft!
The hand cannon has better spread than the spectre? Did they change both? I have been feeling the spectre is kinda shit lately? Comparison vid for all shotguns maybe? :D
Weird right? The slate(med) also has a tighter spread then the crown(long). Check the description, I've linked an image with all of the shotgun spread patterns.
@@Cornf ooo Great thanks :)
Keep in mind that spread iant everything.
Medium barrela have less dmg range while the romero has remarkably better dmg range than the rest
@@mikahoolwerff3563 yee just Gina need to blast stuff in the firing range :D and testytesttest
Why was the slate not in this video
is this runescape music in the background? or am I trippin?