The Problem with Liberal Antiracism | Arun Kundnani and Kojo Koram
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- Arun Kundnani and Kojo Koram discuss why antiracism has to be about dismantling structures power. Liberal antiracism has proven powerless against structural oppression. Fighting racism means striking at its capitalist roots.
Arun Kundnani writes about racial capitalism and Islamophobia, surveillance and political violence, and Black radical movements. He is the author of What Is Antiracism? And Why It Means Anticapitalism www.versobooks.com/products/2...
Kojo Koram is a Senior Lecturer in Law at Birkbeck School of Law. In 2022 he published his debut book Uncommon Wealth: Britain and the Aftermath of Empire, which was nominated for the 2022 Orwell Prize for Political Writing.
Intro 0:00:00
Corporate diversity 00:00:52
Neoliberalism and colonialism 00:04:10
The Role of Personal experience 00:06:46
Racial capitalism and surplus populations 00:10:48
Marxism and Anti-Colonialism 00:18:05
CRT, Unconscious Bias Training and the conservative backlash 00:20:52
US vs UK perspectives 00:26:00
Great interview, interesting discussion. Thanks Verso Books!
I would have to read AK's book, but the notion that there is an equivalence between "racist structure" and "capitalist structure" seems more like postmodern sociology, or maybe radical democracy, than anything having to do with Marxism. That's maybe why this comes across as left liberalism or liberal leftism. The allusion to brocialism is not a good sign. Fraser's theory of "progressive neoliberalism" is perhaps mentioned. I wonder if Adolph Reed's critique and rejection of terms like structural racism and racial capitalism are discussed. I wonder too what is said about universality. See the critiques of Cedric Robinson's non-Marxist book on Black Marxism by Gregory Meyerson, myself, Marc James Léger, and the article by Robinson, Rangel and Watson in The Philosophical Salon.
Based.
Humans are different at individual levels. And humans are different at group levels. There is nothing in the animal kingdom or human history that would lead me to believe that equality is desirable or possible. Anti racism is largely just an ideological vehicle by which foreigners mobilise against the ethnic interests of Europeans.
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Identity politics is vulgar petty politics
What's vulgar and petty about identity if so much suffering can arise because of it?
Agree. A cheap red herring manouvre sold as a means to an end. Identity is the source of all conflicts
@@farrider3339 Not identity, but certain identities and aspects of biology, o enlightened one
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I would be glad if dare to be more specific "certain identities" and "aspects of biology".
Identity, as u might have found out yourself, is an all inclusive package. There are various types, however to be honest, as soon as we try to make more of it than just a name for social purposes (how to address the persona) it totally run's amok.
Ultimatly there is no other " authenticity" than to play the role convincingly and perfect which appears to be appropriate at a given moment in a social context.
So much about "identity".
@@farrider3339 In that I don't see a state of non-dual perception as necessary or desirable, if even honest. What is the purpose? Are you sure you are not simply repressing it, or multi-tasking between identity and non-identity? Voided of any fear of reincarnation (not that memory/self-loss doesn't render such fear useless) or wheels of life, it all becomes an afterthought. Why should I spend my entire life/lives chasing a state of enlightenment, after which I will finally be unshakably (presumably) happy, when I can simply find pleasure in other ways? Not something like tantrism, but simply enjoying things for their own sake.
The real problem is identities that attach themselves to callous and anti-social beliefs and behaviors; people that dehumanize others or believe only the "strong" (relative to them) deserve to live, creating endless pyramids of strongmen abusing strongmen But this is also a biological problem- we are the culmination of thousands of years of adaptation in a world hoisted above scarcity, mortality, killing (whether of foe or prey), labor, the whole gamut. Naturally, our psychology will have clawed its way out of this, and pleasure/peace/fullness is not inescapable, but rather boredom, dissatisfaction, weakness, subjugation.
In short, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Self-annihilate at will, but don't pretend you are 'more honest' or apart from the rest when you still must needs rely on identities (whether the english language, knowing how to use a tool, having senses, or as complicated as being an Orthodox Christian or an Anarcho-satanist). Naturally, there is no unchanging 'essence' to these identities or things, but it's impossible to occupy an 'objective, outer' position where you can see unconditioned reality, considering that this will require experience, which itself can only exist because of conditions. And who will profit if there is no self? Why should I chase this? It just strikes me as a philosophical act necessary only in a faith-based worldview filled with hells, heavens, gods and asuras, etc.
But perhaps I have misunderstood your meaning of 'identity.' What do you think? One does not identify with something because it is unchanging or inherent, or has total authenticity. Identity is a wonderful thing, what you seem to be doing is like proposing we become breatharians rather than promoting good gut bacteria.