This video is like a guide for my first cuts (hopefully soon) in aluminium in my machine¡ Very similar to the hdm, but never cut anything apart from wood until now¡¡ Amazing as always¡
Overall great and informative video. 🎃If you notice at 10:08, your chips are dancing across the piece. This vibration is more than enough to contribute to the less than mirrored finish you commented about. Likely due to the two sided tape, and the fact you were dealing with a rather lengthy, and thinner plate. Thats always going to be a factor. try a .002 - .005" finish pass next time. Also, 20k rpms seems a bit high. That could also cause some drag as well.
Any future plans for making a water resistant machining bed? I like to use a light mist when machining but the stock mdf absorbs water and warps easily.
It is something we're looking into. Additionally, we expect there should/will be third party options for bolt-on modifications (ex. an aluminum fixture plate from Saunders Machine Works) that allow you to skip the MDF.
Hi Winston. Just got my HDM, un-crated and setup. Would really appreciate some tips on feeds and speeds for 1/8" and 1/4" end mills in aluminum and wood. I also prefer using Fusion 360, would you happen to have a HDM tool library for Fusion 360? Thanks! I tried using a 3 flute 1/4" end mill at 195 ipm (max for HDM) at 6700 rpm for a chip load of .009 per flute. It seemed to cut particle board nicely, but it's crazy fast. I wonder if going that fast is okay for the machine.
Pretty nice little machine. At least until you look at the price... It looks like a very nice and well built router, but at $4900 you could easily build 6 Printnc's. Not trying to dog on this machine as I think its a nice little machine, and I know there has to be a bit of markup for making a profit, but $4900 is a pretty big pill to swallow for a router of this caliber.
Maybe true, but if you count your hours building the PNC it would be similar in price. I've seen people estimate a PrintNC to be worth $5-6k if it were sold, so there you go. It's not really a fair comparison.
@@auricschiller Just a friendly counter argument (I say friendly because I know people on the interwebs like to flex their keyboard muscles when they think they are being attacked, and this reply is nothing more than a friendly counter point of view). I just can't see the hours of your time to be worth that much though. To me a few hours worth of work doesn't equal a multi-thousand dollar upcharge. I personally would never spend that much on a tabletop CNC regardless of what it is or where it came from. Realistically, once you have ordered all the parts to make something like the PNC and have them in front of you, the time to assemble and start making chips on it should be somewhere between 8 hours to potentially a weekend worth of time depending on your level of skill and knowledge. As an added bonus you end up learning a lot more about the machine from actually building it. But at the end of the day it's definitely up to each individual as to what is better for them. I sure won't lose any sleep over how someone chooses to spend their money.. lol. All that being said I do really appreciate Carbide3D and all they do for the home gamer CNC market. They do make some pretty decent machines and the videos they put out are typically pretty good and informative! Also have to say it's pretty hard not to click on a video when Winston is behind the camera. His videos are always very entertaining and educational!
@@tken93 I own a Shapeoko 4 and I'm also building a PrintNC. Carbide3d's HDM offers a very different value proposition that will definitely appeal more to the small business owner than the hobbyist. As the cost of time goes, if it's just a hobby then it doesn't matter, but I don't really see people building a business on a PrintNC. It's just not as reliable (cue videos on discord of parts flying out of machines), isn't turn-key, and you literally need to manufacture your own replacement parts. That's not to put down PNC at all, obviously I'm into it. But comparing the two is sort of like saying a Porsche 911 is too expensive because you can build a kit car that has the same performance. No matter how much time and effort you expend the kit car won't be quite the same thing. And that's fine, but let's make fair comparisons.
This machine is too expensive for what it offers and for the components it has. A PNC is also better in performance and I agree that building it, is also a pro. You learn a lot by doing it and that makes up for the personal time you put in to do it.
Your clamps are not being applied and utilized in correct fashion. The screw tightened nearest to the anchoring side eliminates the entire concept of leverage and force. I suppose it worked for this light set up, but ideally you should shim leverage to your workholding.
I know they're not optimal, I was working with the placement of the spacing of the T tracks and length of clamps available, while keeping the clamps in the corners, as far from the cut area as possible. It was a calculated compromise. -W
Ill say this... Tape and MDF is a bad idea and don't work. Also don't get the HDM without a 2.2kw if you plan on doing aluminum and if you don't plan on doing aluminum, there's no point on getting an HDM at all.
I like the realistic take given on the HDM and not just marketing speel.
We’re happy to hear that’s being conveyed. We want the truth being told.
This machine looks amazing. Can't wait to have one!
This video is like a guide for my first cuts (hopefully soon) in aluminium in my machine¡ Very similar to the hdm, but never cut anything apart from wood until now¡¡ Amazing as always¡
Can you guys do more HDM videos? I really want to buy one, but need to see more Aluminum and maybe some steel videos if possible?
Yes!
Yes yes
Overall great and informative video.
🎃If you notice at 10:08, your chips are dancing across the piece. This vibration is more than enough to contribute to the less than mirrored finish you commented about. Likely due to the two sided tape, and the fact you were dealing with a rather lengthy, and thinner plate. Thats always going to be a factor. try a .002 - .005" finish pass next time. Also, 20k rpms seems a bit high. That could also cause some drag as well.
#TeamWinston! This is awesome! Great Video!
Nice work, long time no see, good to hear your machining insights & see your successes (& as you're human, occasional failures & recovery)
Id like to see machining aluminum in Nomad 3 - The first nomad is so slow at only 10K RPM
I would love it you could do the CAD in Carbide Create Pro.
Any future plans for making a water resistant machining bed? I like to use a light mist when machining but the stock mdf absorbs water and warps easily.
It is something we're looking into. Additionally, we expect there should/will be third party options for bolt-on modifications (ex. an aluminum fixture plate from Saunders Machine Works) that allow you to skip the MDF.
Awesome! 🙏🏼
Is there a possibility for an ATC spindle, additionally are there any alternate act spindles that would work well with shapeokos?
There are lots of 800w spindles that fit the stock Shapeoko mounts, get a water cooled one. Amazon, Ebay, Aliexpress.
Hi Winston. Just got my HDM, un-crated and setup. Would really appreciate some tips on feeds and speeds for 1/8" and 1/4" end mills in aluminum and wood. I also prefer using Fusion 360, would you happen to have a HDM tool library for Fusion 360? Thanks!
I tried using a 3 flute 1/4" end mill at 195 ipm (max for HDM) at 6700 rpm for a chip load of .009 per flute. It seemed to cut particle board nicely, but it's crazy fast. I wonder if going that fast is okay for the machine.
Why don’t you use carbide create?
Adaptive toolpaths give you a more consistent cutting force so you can creep up the the performance limits of a machine.
Hi winston do you plan to post the F360 file to your patreon or anywhere else? I want to take a look at something down in the weeds.
Love the screw holder. Have files for that?
Thanks for the video. Perhaps chips that hot can burn your vac filter?
Not likely, after more than about two meters of flying through the air, the chips are no longer painfully hot.
Pretty nice little machine. At least until you look at the price... It looks like a very nice and well built router, but at $4900 you could easily build 6 Printnc's. Not trying to dog on this machine as I think its a nice little machine, and I know there has to be a bit of markup for making a profit, but $4900 is a pretty big pill to swallow for a router of this caliber.
Maybe true, but if you count your hours building the PNC it would be similar in price. I've seen people estimate a PrintNC to be worth $5-6k if it were sold, so there you go. It's not really a fair comparison.
@@auricschiller Just a friendly counter argument (I say friendly because I know people on the interwebs like to flex their keyboard muscles when they think they are being attacked, and this reply is nothing more than a friendly counter point of view). I just can't see the hours of your time to be worth that much though. To me a few hours worth of work doesn't equal a multi-thousand dollar upcharge. I personally would never spend that much on a tabletop CNC regardless of what it is or where it came from. Realistically, once you have ordered all the parts to make something like the PNC and have them in front of you, the time to assemble and start making chips on it should be somewhere between 8 hours to potentially a weekend worth of time depending on your level of skill and knowledge. As an added bonus you end up learning a lot more about the machine from actually building it. But at the end of the day it's definitely up to each individual as to what is better for them. I sure won't lose any sleep over how someone chooses to spend their money.. lol. All that being said I do really appreciate Carbide3D and all they do for the home gamer CNC market. They do make some pretty decent machines and the videos they put out are typically pretty good and informative! Also have to say it's pretty hard not to click on a video when Winston is behind the camera. His videos are always very entertaining and educational!
@@tken93 I own a Shapeoko 4 and I'm also building a PrintNC. Carbide3d's HDM offers a very different value proposition that will definitely appeal more to the small business owner than the hobbyist. As the cost of time goes, if it's just a hobby then it doesn't matter, but I don't really see people building a business on a PrintNC. It's just not as reliable (cue videos on discord of parts flying out of machines), isn't turn-key, and you literally need to manufacture your own replacement parts.
That's not to put down PNC at all, obviously I'm into it. But comparing the two is sort of like saying a Porsche 911 is too expensive because you can build a kit car that has the same performance. No matter how much time and effort you expend the kit car won't be quite the same thing. And that's fine, but let's make fair comparisons.
This machine is too expensive for what it offers and for the components it has.
A PNC is also better in performance and I agree that building it, is also a pro. You learn a lot by doing it and that makes up for the personal time you put in to do it.
Is that a Sweepy 2.0 80mm?
I click for the duty pumpkin
Your clamps are not being applied and utilized in correct fashion. The screw tightened nearest to the anchoring side eliminates the entire concept of leverage and force. I suppose it worked for this light set up, but ideally you should shim leverage to your workholding.
I know they're not optimal, I was working with the placement of the spacing of the T tracks and length of clamps available, while keeping the clamps in the corners, as far from the cut area as possible. It was a calculated compromise. -W
Ill say this... Tape and MDF is a bad idea and don't work. Also don't get the HDM without a 2.2kw if you plan on doing aluminum and if you don't plan on doing aluminum, there's no point on getting an HDM at all.
What a waste of some nice aluminum!