Is Bharatanatyam religious ? : Conversation series

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    A short video that discusses the idea of religion attached to the Classical Indian dance forms.
    The Raadha Kalpa Method is a comprehensive training program for Bharatanatyam devised by Rukmini Vijayakumar through her years of research on the mechanics of movement within the Bharatanatyam vocabulary. The philosophy of the training system lies in developing a neutral body and mind such that the dancer is able to be versatile and malleable within performance.
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Komentáře • 157

  • @kedarmulay007
    @kedarmulay007 Před 3 lety +25

    The concept of "Dwaita-Adwaita" is always beautifully expressed in our traditional dance forms especially in Bharatnatyam.

  • @amritswain6913
    @amritswain6913 Před 3 lety +62

    The Mother Divine expresses herself through you - your dance and your words as well 🙏🏻🙏🏻! Lots of blessings and love !

  • @natyanayaki
    @natyanayaki Před 3 lety +79

    Rukmini, I think this is a great answer and I agree with most of what you've said! But, I also think it is important to note that that for those of us whose Indigenous practice is now referred to as Hinduism or Sanatana Dharma or what have you (whatever label one might want to choose), this might be a way of life, or way of seeing the world etc etc that it is not the same for all other religions/spiritualities/belief systems/ways of life. The point being, to us it might not seem religious but to other groups it will come off as religious and I think it is important to understand that so that we are able to defend out existence when our existence is questioned, especially since our way of life is seen as evil by some. I think to some degree it's a situation in which to us the labels don't matter, but to others the labels might. The labels didn't matter to my parents at all, but because of that I was unprepared for the sort of bullying I received starting from a very young age (I am US born, and have lived in the US for my entire life). I wish I had been more prepared, had been more aware of what the gaze of others might be like I might have been less hurt when I was talked down to, otherized, and shunned.

    • @dancerukmini
      @dancerukmini  Před 3 lety +27

      Whether others see it as a way of life or not, it is irrelevant at the end. Talking down speaks more of the person that does it than the person spoken to. Though it may seem hard at the time that you maybe looked at differently, ultimately the culture is about the fact that we must come to realise that every experience no matter how good or bad at the moment, is all the same at the end.
      The idea is that when every aspect of life is meant to lead us to realise ourself, how can we separate art and culture. It is nothing but a way of seeing, a way of perceiving the world around us

    • @natyanayaki
      @natyanayaki Před 3 lety +11

      @@dancerukmini I don't disagree with your perspective, I am only suggesting that children need to be given the tools to protect themselves emotionally, mentally, and physically when they are in situations in which they are otherized. It's important that we don't dismiss their concerns, and it's especially important that we don't tell them to hide their practice because it was otherized, to tell them to adapt to another culture/religion/worldview in public in order to fit in.
      I absolutely love your perspective, and agree with it, I am only suggesting that outside of India, where our perspective is not as well understood, we need to make sure our children are given the tools to protect themselves without insulting others, are encouraged not to be ashamed of their cultural/dance/spiritual/"religious" heritage, and are prepared that not all communities have our worldview and might be hostile to them.
      We see divinity in everything, and that is beautiful, but we must explain that not everyone sees the world in that way, and that's OK, and we are not "less than" because of our worldview and need not be made to feel ashamed (other also are not "less than" because of their worldview and should not be made to feel ashamed).
      I think ultimately, while you and I have very similar perspectives, they are shaped by the environment in which we were raised. I do know you lived and studied in the US, and do not mean to diminish it, but living in the US as an adult from our Indigenous spiritual culture, is different experience-wise than being a child raised in US culture but with our Indigenous spirituality.
      Thank you for conversing with me, I adore and appreciate you and hope my comments have not come off as rude!

    • @dancerukmini
      @dancerukmini  Před 3 lety +3

      DancingNaay not at all rude. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I completely understand where you are coming from. :-)

    • @punam7803
      @punam7803 Před 3 lety +29

      I’d agree that it’s very tough on Hindu kids born overseas especially when you’re taught “all religions are the same” nonsense. Parents must arm their children with knowledge and means to fight against nonsense of “idol worshipper will burn in hell”. Hindu kids need to be armed with knowledge to deal with oppressive Abrahamics!

    • @natyanayaki
      @natyanayaki Před 3 lety +3

      @@dancerukmini Thank you so much for everything you do. I have had a hard couple of years emotionally, and could not bring myself to dance. Your passion pushed me to reignite my practice.

  • @sharadsudhanva
    @sharadsudhanva Před 3 lety +12

    The best explanation i have ever seen. Crystal clearly presented.

  • @Meow-eh7ns
    @Meow-eh7ns Před 3 lety +5

    When you dance you become the divine-Sadhguru.
    Seeing you and many other excellent dancers I am confirmed.
    You are truly divine🙏❤️🙏🙏🙏

  • @CSL075
    @CSL075 Před 3 lety

    You hit the nail on the head. Beautifully and eloquently explained . So much clarity. wow!!!

  • @PCMyShots
    @PCMyShots Před 3 lety +2

    Absolutely captivating talk and so honest! Loved it..keep sharing your knowledge and students across the world will love it.

  • @venkatrao1333
    @venkatrao1333 Před 3 lety +5

    Divinity manifested...in Words & Form...😇🙏⚘

  • @user-hk6ql7zw4i
    @user-hk6ql7zw4i Před 2 lety +5

    I am Russian, but just like you, I believe in people, my land, sky, trees, rivers - everything that makes up the concept of Russia. Regards to you and your creativity!

  • @samyuktharamanan2530
    @samyuktharamanan2530 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for your incredible response, it takes a lot of courage to present this point and stand up for our beliefs.

  • @MrHopelessone
    @MrHopelessone Před 3 lety

    Lovely explanation. such a deep understanding and presented so well. Kudos to you Rukminiji.

  • @ojaswinisingh9426
    @ojaswinisingh9426 Před 3 lety +1

    Very well said ma'am 👍 I completely connect to every word of yours and the thought you represent.

  • @vasudhaivakutumbakam7497
    @vasudhaivakutumbakam7497 Před 3 lety +5

    absolutely agree, we r all one. it's not a religion but, the way of life. even "Hinduism" never said it's a religion, it's just the way of life. i read in an article on Odissi dance, all classical dance n mudras form r very scientific n designed to elevate our consciousness to singularity by uniting the body, mind n spirit. all dancing forms r like a deep expression of wisdom n connection to divine presence that is all around us...

  • @farina5585
    @farina5585 Před 3 lety +3

    You are so amazing ! so inspiring !! as a muslim even i'm interested in bharatnatyam

  • @brascoperryjoe6425
    @brascoperryjoe6425 Před 2 lety

    Preach. Such a lovely concept. Adwaita Philosophy.

  • @theresesing738
    @theresesing738 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for sharing your understanding and creativity with us. I always feel enriched and attuned from your performances. Blessings to you and yours on this Equinox.

  • @surbhinanda2632
    @surbhinanda2632 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for the answer, it really helped!

  • @subhajitc337
    @subhajitc337 Před 3 lety

    Such a brilliant orator.kudos to you.

  • @aspen3234
    @aspen3234 Před 3 lety +1

    Nirgun and Sagun end of statement, Om Namah Shivaya 🕉🔱🔥❤️🙏

  • @nobey292
    @nobey292 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for sharing your understanding and creativity with us miss...🙏💞

  • @Dashya.
    @Dashya. Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you 😊 for the explanation

  • @asmitabhattacharjee6241
    @asmitabhattacharjee6241 Před 3 lety +1

    Goodness. This woman is excellent ❤

  • @haimantibardhan611
    @haimantibardhan611 Před 3 lety

    Loved such brilliant explanation...❤️

  • @SrushtiHalge
    @SrushtiHalge Před 3 lety

    Wow! You have put it out in a simple and understandable way!🧡

  • @visalakshik.raman.6278
    @visalakshik.raman.6278 Před 3 lety +16

    God is the only 'Sath' ( aka Sathyam) and everything else we see here is 'Asath' (aka Mythya).
    Small wonder that all the fine arts had the Eternal Divinity as their theme and acquired eternal appreciation. Also Indian saw divinity in each and everything in Nature. Maybe if the whole world had considered Nature as being divine, the earth would not have got polluted as it is now! :(

    • @-HappyLife
      @-HappyLife Před 3 lety +2

      “Also Indian saw divinity in each and everything in Nature.” -> Ganges is the most polluted river; poop everywhere on railtracks (Swach - Bharat)

    • @visalakshik.raman.6278
      @visalakshik.raman.6278 Před 3 lety +5

      @@-HappyLife I wrote "Indians SAW". Unfortunately they do not see anymore! :(

  • @guuday2all
    @guuday2all Před 3 lety +1

    so well and perfectly explained! 👌🙏🙏🙏

  • @natyavriksha3355
    @natyavriksha3355 Před 3 lety +1

    Bharatanatyam In Blood Ur expressing while saying Ma'am ♥️🙏

  • @tapomayghoshal6375
    @tapomayghoshal6375 Před 3 lety

    Whatever you have said , I agree with you .... thank you so much for giving some new information about Bharatnatyam ..and yes I love and respect Bharatnatyam ❤️

  • @barbarafschadomsky
    @barbarafschadomsky Před 3 lety

    Very beautifully explained, thank you!

  • @ilanshosh
    @ilanshosh Před 2 lety

    Thank you and I agree with you people often confuse 'religion' with 'spirituality' which is much more free universal and open to every human heart

  • @aditikashyap2813
    @aditikashyap2813 Před 2 lety

    So beautifully put, thank you

  • @CutePokapipi
    @CutePokapipi Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you so so much for this explanation. A fan from Lahore.

  • @jendi1827
    @jendi1827 Před 3 lety

    Beautiful answer

  • @Expression24
    @Expression24 Před rokem

    You, your thoughts n expressions are beautiful ❤️

  • @gitanjalisur3485
    @gitanjalisur3485 Před 3 lety +1

    Ma'am always I am watching ur video it's very very beautiful and motivated

  • @managinaicker1128
    @managinaicker1128 Před 3 lety

    Rukmini your explanation is brilliant...u are awesome intelligent ..wishing u n giving u lots of love n blessings🌹💟🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌻🌻🌻

  • @suzennaceanna7831
    @suzennaceanna7831 Před 3 lety

    Rukmini, love from Indonesia🇮🇩

  • @ABJK-ds4wq
    @ABJK-ds4wq Před 3 lety

    Great video!

  • @annamashak
    @annamashak Před 3 lety +1

    Best explanation!!!

  • @manasviniramachandran3650

    THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

  • @saranbhatia8809
    @saranbhatia8809 Před 2 lety

    fully agree with your views!

  • @sornamannamalai8051
    @sornamannamalai8051 Před 3 lety

    Madam reply is excellent.
    Hinduism is a way of life.
    Its correct.
    Everything is divine

  • @kiraan2610
    @kiraan2610 Před 2 lety +2

    Its called Bharatanatyam, the dance form of Bharat. Not Dance form of Hindus which in itself is a western religious concept. We call it Dharma and many people mistakenly call Dharma as religion, which is not one and the same.
    I know it is related to Bharata Muni and also mean Bhava, Raaga and Taal-a.

  • @visalakshik.raman.6278

    I just found out how to make the link small and manageable. Welcome to read on the Nava vidha bhakthi.

  • @edbramfitt2300
    @edbramfitt2300 Před 3 lety +7

    «we are stardust..». 💫
    your words are golden Rukmini. thank you

  • @shubhangigupta8563
    @shubhangigupta8563 Před 3 lety

    Makes so much sense.

  • @saumyachaturvedi8323
    @saumyachaturvedi8323 Před 3 lety

    Well said. Pls talk about ashta nayikas

  • @erikasantoshafitness348
    @erikasantoshafitness348 Před 3 lety +4

    Ballet was invented by Louis XIV the sun King of France. Totally agree, it’s about presenting yourself 👍

  • @ramesh3208
    @ramesh3208 Před 3 lety +4

    Did u think before rig Veda , was there a religion. What's is the application of bone development and dilution of it through body moves..move more towards digesting more by dilution or by diluting through enemas this is even yogic

  • @ron_ron9024
    @ron_ron9024 Před 3 lety +2

    I understand that this is how Hindus look at religion and divinity. However, we live in a world where most religions apart from hindus have strict Do's and Don'ts. The only way for them to adopt an art form whether it is bharatnatyam or yoga is to strip it entirely of its religious heritage to suit themselves or shun it. The origin of bharatnatyam lies in a time where religious practices were homogeneous or atleast indigenous, hence it was a way of life. We don't live in those times anymore. Hence, it is important to claim it as part of sanatan dharma to protect it. Doesn't mean you don't have to share it with the world, just that your explanation can be conveniently misinterpreted. We already see this happening with Yoga worldwide. We are inherently secular however we live in a time when labels are necessary not to discriminate but to protect. I am a big, big fan of yours and I understand where you are coming from but my comment is coming from having interacted with people of other religions.

  • @srikanthtupurani6316
    @srikanthtupurani6316 Před 3 lety +7

    many people think that people who are into classical music, classical dance are religious people. this is nonsense. there are so many agnosts, atheists who are into classical dance and classical music. they appear to be strong believers of god. there are many strong believers in god who are not carnatic musicans and classical dancers.

  • @SucilanSundar
    @SucilanSundar Před 3 lety +5

    Bharathanatyam aka sadirattam evolved from dasiattam, where the heroine expresses her love and emotions related with love through dance and expressions. It is much later the stories of gods and goddesses are added and became predominantly after bhakthi movement...

    • @infinite5795
      @infinite5795 Před rokem

      But there is no love language in Bharatnatyam, where do you Tamils manufacture such ricebag flat-earther history? Sadir is clearly older and ultimately came from Dasiattam, aka the devadasi system of Tamil Nadu( born of Hinduism, not any Tamil flat-earther myths). Going by your opinion, Kumari Kandam is the original homeland of Tamils, not Tamil Nadu.

  • @maneeshaneelambari5920
    @maneeshaneelambari5920 Před 3 lety +12

    Ma'am, I would like to hear from you about the gender norms used in dance. Like we have to show ladies in sringara rasa and men mainly in veera rasa. Isn't it a bit stereotyped. As a Bharatanatyam student who haven't get enough Theoretical knowledge, I always wanted to know about it.

  • @kavitharamesh1401
    @kavitharamesh1401 Před 3 lety +19

    She has answered it very aesthetically. Yes, Hinduism is not a religion.
    But, it is too simplistic to call it a way of life. Let's call it by what it's original philosophy is, like she explained in as many words - Sanatana Dharma- that which is eternal truth. It gives us so many ways to realise and become part of that eternal truth also called "Brahman" or "Parabrahmam" or "Sath" in English "Supreme Consciousness". So, if you are a follower of this philosophy only can you truly learn Bharathanatyam which is a form of "Bhakthi" and the path to that which is eternal truth. If you believe that there is a God that is separate from humans and duality or separation of existence, then it is quite impossible that you will accept a spiritual path that talks about the unity of man and divine. The unity of consciousness.
    To not be able to say that Bharathanatyam exists because of Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism) is like you enjoying a nice mango milkshake and refusing to acknowledge the mango tree without which you won't even have the mango in the first place!
    India is the land of Sanatana Dharma, Shiva is the Lord of Dance. To not be able to say that great philosophers who were actually Yogis, like Abhinavagupta wrote commentaries on Nātyashāstra... Is being ungrateful..to say the least. The Dhyanashloka describes every aspect of Shiva. So, why try to be nuanced and diplomatic about our proud Hindu and Sanatani roots?
    And if we can't accept this simple but straight yet deep truth, then it poses a danger for Bharathanatyam being digested and misappropriated by people and ideologies with ulterior motives.

  • @user-lw8dr6xx8i
    @user-lw8dr6xx8i Před 2 lety

    are there specific physical or mental benefit from doing each of hand mudras?

  • @pallavimooli5216
    @pallavimooli5216 Před 3 lety +1

    Mam what is difference between kuchipudi dance form and bharatanatyam dance form??

  • @75snambi
    @75snambi Před 3 lety

    Nice.

  • @stephanb.3342
    @stephanb.3342 Před 3 lety

    🙏

  • @user-fz3fo8dq8o
    @user-fz3fo8dq8o Před 10 měsíci

    OM. Shmbho Sankara Mahadev 🌞🌹

  • @noiritdey2021
    @noiritdey2021 Před 2 lety

    You are a very good dancer mam🥰

  • @SUNILGUPTA-lb5yr
    @SUNILGUPTA-lb5yr Před 3 lety

    Very true.

  • @universalphilosophy8081
    @universalphilosophy8081 Před 3 lety +2

    Bharatanatyam comes from rhythmic yoga.
    It brings happiness to oneself and others.
    Happiness is what everyone searches always.
    Shiva is the adi yogi and the perfect yogi. That is why our body is also as divine as our soul. Safeguard that body called as kshetram until it destroys itself.

  • @aldorubens1015
    @aldorubens1015 Před rokem

  • @user-fz3fo8dq8o
    @user-fz3fo8dq8o Před 10 měsíci

    Rukmani ji Sweet Good morning 🌞🕊️🌹🙏

  • @annepaul71
    @annepaul71 Před 3 lety +1

    i am a christian and i really love bharatanatyam. bharatanatyam has a big place in hinduism i think because that is what we see in society.every bharatanatyam perfomers play dance at temples and we can't....i really liked what u said but i need something more on this topic

    • @dancerukmini
      @dancerukmini  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes I will try to speak more on this :-)

    • @annepaul71
      @annepaul71 Před 3 lety

      @@dancerukmini so happy to see your reply...:)

  • @karmokerretu6742
    @karmokerretu6742 Před 3 lety

    Mam🙏🙏

  • @tanyapal7822
    @tanyapal7822 Před 3 lety

    🙇🙇

  • @gaya150596
    @gaya150596 Před 2 lety

    I'm curious to hear your perspective on Bharatnatyam and caste? are there implications around which castes have historically had access to it / which castes created the art form?

  • @meghasr5848
    @meghasr5848 Před 3 lety

    🙏📿

  • @bhagyadharsahu5381
    @bhagyadharsahu5381 Před 3 lety +10

    You are a goddess on earth. And yes I am not exaggerating.😍

  • @venkataramanakotamraju9414

    Hi Dance Company
    Don't try to make it secular in this political terms. Be Factually correct not politically correct. We cannot and need not be always on the best side of everybody. But we need to be on the best side of the art we are devoted to and to the culture that has blessed us with this great art form.
    Shiva is also called Nataraja. He is the one from where the Natya Shastra emerged. This form of Shiva signifies HIM, the force that moves this perceivable creation.
    If you believe this is a religious concept then it is religious.
    CERN particle collider (Large Hadron Collider-LHC) facility in Switzerland even has a statue of Nataraja, accepting the fact that this force behind this nature is GOD recognized by Indians as Nataraja and the very existence of this creation is HIS ananda tandavam(dance). LHC is a super advanced scientific organization working on project like GOD particle.
    When one does shiva tandavam or bho shambo natyam for example he or she depicts shiva through the dance. You become one with shiva in the process. Our Culture recommends the upasana of that deity be it Mother Kali, Shiva, Ganapathi or Krishna before going into that dance practice and performance of that particular kriti.
    That is Indian dance.
    Other jazz and pop all are about adrenalin and asserting oneself (releasing the frustration/desparation)
    Indian Dance is to do be one with Paramatma

  • @praveenprasad3469
    @praveenprasad3469 Před 3 lety

    ❤️❤️

  • @jeethekagb5472
    @jeethekagb5472 Před 3 lety

    😍😍😍

  • @Geethasakthivel
    @Geethasakthivel Před 3 lety

    I have seen you in Bangalore.

  • @gagansharma5594
    @gagansharma5594 Před 3 lety

    😍

  • @brittasdanceqi
    @brittasdanceqi Před 2 lety +1

    Beautiful. I think the word "religion" just has such different connotations for Westerners. I love how you said it's as religious as a tree, which (I think) is easily understood in the East, but to Westerners who have turned everything into dead matter, that seems ludicrous. I love how the consciousness of India is so expansive and inclusive of ALL. It's so amazing. I love it. Thank you for your beautiful explanation! Namaste

  • @babureddy6478
    @babureddy6478 Před 2 lety +2

    All classical Indian art forms are deeply spiritual. Either you are singing or dancing to Shiva(Creation/Destruction),
    Durga ( Mother's protection), Krishna (Mother's Love for Child), Saraswathi ( Knowledge) etc. You are dancing to the
    themes represented by these Gods. These forms should be preserved with at most purity as they have been handed
    down to us from centuries. Contemporary artists can copy from this template and experiment using their creativity.
    Whether westerns appreciate it or not is immaterial. Don't be apologetic to anyone, please.

  • @deveshshma
    @deveshshma Před 3 lety

    I love you❤

  • @carlosdasilvagama6144
    @carlosdasilvagama6144 Před 3 lety

    ❤🧡💛💚💙💜

  • @veenashrees6575
    @veenashrees6575 Před 3 lety

    100 percent true

  • @kamran945
    @kamran945 Před 3 lety +2

    Yes Bharatnatyam is religious...it comes from Sanatan Dharma. Those who want to know it are welcome to explore it. In Sanatan Dharma there is everything for everyone.
    And those having beliefs that their religion is supreme should be reminded that it's less than 2000 years old and hence very naive.

    • @dsbdsb6637
      @dsbdsb6637 Před 3 lety

      Because it can be interpreted as that but it is not the only interpretation.

  • @apudas2748
    @apudas2748 Před 3 lety +2

    joy sree ram🥰🇧🇩

  • @deepacharen4534
    @deepacharen4534 Před 3 lety

    🙏🏽💖💜💙💚💛🧡❤️🙏🏽

  • @shwetapandit4371
    @shwetapandit4371 Před 3 lety

    You're an inspiration for me ma'am. I have completed my Arangetram. Do you have any course for students like me? Also can you please guide me with the opportunities that can help me in becoming professional dancer?

  • @reckanater2736
    @reckanater2736 Před 2 lety +1

    Actually I think bharatham don't need religion or Hinduism , I say this cuz a Catholic girl comes to my dance class and she dances well than me but Actually I am an Hindu 🕉

  • @united.humans.organization4968

    Life itself is spiritual in essence.We just need to clean our inner eyes to be able to watch & awaken the heart to feel.

  • @dharmicbliss1566
    @dharmicbliss1566 Před 2 lety

    Is the dance came from tantric gestures or some connection or relation with Tantra??

  • @srinivassrinivas9466
    @srinivassrinivas9466 Před 3 lety +1

    NAMASKAARAM
    I LOVE MY SOUTH INDIA

  • @Alokitam
    @Alokitam Před 3 lety +1

    भारत की सनातन परंपरा को इन तुक्ष religious जैसे विदेशी सब्दों की सीमा में बांधा नही जा सकता है।

  • @hrushikesha3258
    @hrushikesha3258 Před 3 lety +11

    Oh Krishna! I can answer it!!
    Krishna is the one who has given it! And “Bharatanatyam” is so as long as it is a part of Hindu dharma! Otherwise it is NOT Bharatanatyam!!
    Shiva is the one who is kept and in front of him only it should be practised!!
    So this itself says that it is part of Hindu dharma!!!

    • @hrushikesha3258
      @hrushikesha3258 Před 3 lety +2

      Oh first of all idk who are you?!! A Hindu or “anti-Hindu”?
      Krishna is the one who gave 64 art forms and are part of Hindu dharma! There’s only 64 art forms that’s all! Subbhalakshmi is also a devadasi!!! It is not question of belief!!!!
      It is talking about reality!!
      Who gave natya shastras?? It is Bharata muni!!
      These days dancers act too smart and have ruined the dharma part of it!
      Yoga is also given by our Hindu saints!!
      Yes it is actually our mistake to have “shared these art forms with other people and let them ruin our dharma!”
      If you are not a Hindu, don’t even think of participating in *our* conversation!!

    • @otomackena7610
      @otomackena7610 Před 3 lety

      @@amlanmajumdar6478 he may be wrong but you are wrong too. Stop trying to divorce Bharatanatyam from it's history and culture whether you like it or not it is closely tied to Hinduism. If you or anyone else who cant respect the culture and it's history then you are not the right one to talk about it.

    • @otomackena7610
      @otomackena7610 Před 3 lety

      ​@UC7ileQwdmiyKm7cN8g7wd_A ok so please bear with me through this long reply. so you understand why i said what i said and where i'm coming from.
      >>"But one think you have to agree with me that known of us have proof that *BECAUSE OF KRISHNA *"
      i wasn't taking about KRISHNA part but connection of Hinduism that's why i said "he may be wrong"
      >>"And I am not trying to divorce its history and culture from it instead I am proud of my Culture and Traditions"
      Good to know.
      But being Proud Indian is not equal to being proud Hindu.
      An Indian communist, Xian, Muslim is as Indian as you and I are but they have absolutely no claim over Bharatanatyam or its cultural History just because they are Indian. People who don't respect Hindus or Hinduism and loathe Hinduism and its culture have no right over Bharatanatyam. i have seen Xians culturally appropriating yoga to Xian yoga, xian Bharatanatyam etc.. .
      i've seen xians claiming yoga is not related Hinduism "it is just excercise " even claiming that yoga existed in Old testament. There is even Jewish yoga look up. so when you say it is not religious you are only enabling appropriation of Indigenous culture. Yoga have been made in to a commodity today stripping its other cultural aspects and appropriating it as "Xian yoga" to be more palatable to other in the west same is happening with other Indian art forms. Bharatanatyam was born in temple complexes of India it was performed to express the Hindu mythologies, performed as an offering & to please the gods. if you know the history of Bharatanatyam you would also know how it was abolished by Xian missionaries under British rule. Xian missionaries called it Heathen practice & denigrated it everywhere. It took Rukmani Devi Arundale to revive the Bharatanatyam by founding the Kalakshetra Academy in 1936. She made it an acceptable norm for girls (and even boys) from middle class households to learn Bharat Natyam. it functioned as a traditional gurukula with prayers before the deity Ganapati, vegetarianism, and a guru-shishya relationship. Throughout Tamil Nadu the guru-shishya form of decentralized one-on-one learning spread in various ways as part of this revival.
      Today it is again being culturally appropriated by the same people once destroyed it. Just like how they appropriated pagan cultures in Europe. Following excerpt is an example with all the reference and citation "xians ran into conflicts between traditional Hindu art and Christian aesthetics and dogma. Father Francis Barboza, a prominent Roman Catholic priest and dancer of Hindu art forms, confesses that "the main difficulty I faced in the area of technique" concerned what is Indian classical dance's unique feature, namely, the hand gestures (hasta) and postures. He confesses:
      I could use all of them in the original form except for the Deva hasta [hand gestures], because the nature and significance of the Bible personalities are totally different and unique. Hence, when I wanted to depict Christ, the Christian Trinity (Father, Son and the Holy Spirit), I drew a blank. I realized that I had to invent new Deva Hasta to suit the Divine personalities and concepts of the Christian religion. This was a challenge to my creative, intellectual and theological background. Armed with my knowledge of Christian Theology and in depth studies of ancient dance treatises, I then introduced a number of Deva Hasta to suit the personalities of the Bible. These innovations succeeded in making my presentation both genuinely Indian and Christian in content and form.[7]
      Dr. Barboza has Christianized the Bharatha Natyam by inventing the following Christian Mudras: God the Father; Son of God; The Holy Spirit; The Risen Christ; Mother Mary; The Cross; Madonna; The Church; and The Word of God, as well as two postures, Crucifixion and The Risen Christ.[8]This strategy is strikingly similar to the development of “Christian Yoga” and “Jewish Yoga” by western practitioners who take what they want from yoga but reject or replace any symbols or concepts that are too explicitly Hindu."
      Another example " the Kalai Kaveri College of Fine Arts, founded by a Catholic priest in 1977 as a cultural mission. He received patronage from various sources and sent out priests and nuns to learn from unsuspecting Hindu gurus. The college claims to be offering “the world’s first, off-campus degree program in Bharathanatyam,” with another program in South Indian classical music (both vocal and instrumental). Its website's home page shows Dr. Barboza’s “Christian mudras” using the Christian "Father Deity" as the Bharata Natyam mudra replacing thousands of years of Hindu mudras.[9] Kalai Kaveri is backed and funded as a major church campaign. The Tamil Nadu government is also actively funding and promoting it "
      You can read whole history of Christian Denigration of Indian Spiritual Dance with all the reference from here christianizingbharatanatyam.blogspot.com/2011/09/christian-denigration-of-indian.html
      so when you say it is not religious please do remember that they will say the same by divorcing its history and culture, making it their own.
      If a non-Dharmic wants to learn any of this Hindu art forms they are welcome to do so they need to first respect the culture and its history and contrbute to it in a positive way rather than appropriating the culture like Father Barbosa,Kalai Kaveri College,Father Saju George, Rani David does. Be a Yesudas .

  • @19683
    @19683 Před 3 lety +2

    Why is the lady apologetic, she is almost sorry to admit that Bharatnatyam is a Hindu dance.

    • @19683
      @19683 Před 2 lety

      @Shalvi Bhatnagar Hindu isn't an identity given to us by anyone, stop believing in nonsense.
      Also stop making strawman arguments on what people do.

    • @19683
      @19683 Před 2 lety

      @Shalvi Bhatnagar Not true, I could paste quotes from VDS's "Essentials..." but I suggest you read it.

  • @YenkammaNe
    @YenkammaNe Před rokem

    Bharatanatyam, Kuchipudi..Odissi.. Mohini attam.. are all Hindu culture centric

  • @arkb6444
    @arkb6444 Před 3 lety

    Bharatanatyam says the stories of hindu prophets and the religion. So, it is very much a part of religion. There has to be no shame in saying that, I feel! So, bharatanatyam has evolved from hindu religion, or sanatana dharma! Other religions need to respect hindu prophets and our religion too. If they want to stay away that's their call.

  • @kavithakrishnanshow
    @kavithakrishnanshow Před 3 lety +2

    Bharatham means
    Bha - Bhavam
    Ta - Ragam
    Tha - thalam
    M - the sruthi and layam
    It has nothing to do with any religion. It’s a dance with its own elegance.

  • @phreakydad
    @phreakydad Před 3 lety +1

    Bharatanatyam is an indigenous dance form native to Tamilnadu. It evolved naturally with the evolution of the Tamil people and their culture which predates any of the modern religions of the present day and that is the reason that SHIVA is considered it's patron deity. As "Hinduism" evolved Bharatanatyam too evolved alongside and was refined and perfected like many other art forms of India. If the question is " Is Bharatanatyam associated with any religion ?" The answer to that will be an emphatic yes and that religion is " Hinduism" and to take it further if you ask "Would Bharatanatyam have evolved to such a fine art form without It being associated with Hinduism? The answer to that would be no. For any art form to reach its pinnacle it needs a divine or spiritual aspect to elevate the practitioners to the next level.

    • @dsbdsb6637
      @dsbdsb6637 Před 3 lety

      Idea of religion itself is foreign just look into history how communities formed, engaged & transformed without destroying their old practices.

  • @shri4643
    @shri4643 Před 3 lety +2

    This the problem with Hindus. They are never proud to say YES IT IS A PART OF HINDUISM. She is just beating around the bush to make it sound secular and universal.
    Bharathnatyam is one of the way to express our Bhakti to god and spreading the divine stories. I don’t know why she is so hesitating to say this.

  • @amritarupalaha8097
    @amritarupalaha8097 Před 3 lety +5

    Unfortunately, this idea of seeing divinity within everything survives only in our art forms. Not in our actual societies. And ironically, not even in Hinduism as a religious practice.

    • @dancerukmini
      @dancerukmini  Před 3 lety +16

      The moment it is considered a religious practice, the non-duality is lost. Rituals, actions in life, including the arts, are meant to reflect the consciousness that we are yet to comprehend. Not meant to be done with close minded exclusion , which is against the philosophy completely.

    • @ABJK-ds4wq
      @ABJK-ds4wq Před 3 lety +1

      Amritarupa Laha , it depends on how one practices Sanatana Dharma, isn’t it?

    • @amritarupalaha8097
      @amritarupalaha8097 Před 3 lety +5

      @@dancerukmini yes ma'am exactly. What we see as hinduism today is narrow minded, discriminative.. like all other religious practices. And now, it is also political and hateful. It's sad to see how much this once great philosophy, this ancient lifestyle has degraded over the years. The moment something is organised as a religion, it is ruined.

    • @kavitharamesh1401
      @kavitharamesh1401 Před 3 lety +5

      @@amritarupalaha8097 if you think hinduism is hateful now, I must urge you to read more and understand history. Hate is a word and emotion abrahamism brought into society.

    • @amritarupalaha8097
      @amritarupalaha8097 Před 3 lety +2

      @@kavitharamesh1401 it is after reading a lot of history and years and years of thinking, that I am saying this. You might not want to acknowledge the darkness under the lamp, but that doesn't make it non existent. 😂 Seeing divinity within everything in philosophy, but propagating untouchability in practice (prevalent even before Abraham, the first prophet was born.) Hypocrisy killed itself. Don't tell me that Abhrahamic religions introduced hate into this culture, because they didn't. The seeds of hatred were sown long ago, when religion first became part of political power play. This is the harsh truth that offends religious souls like you. That's the intention. 😎 You were talking about history right? Please read about the spread of Buddhism. Why it was spreading, and why Buddha was suddenly incorporated into Hinduism as an avatar of Vishnu. Also, read about the hindu kings who destroyed other temples, buddhist shrines and beheaded monks. Yeah. Hindu kings. This happened in the post-Mauryan period, long before the foundation of Islam: the faith notoriously infamous for persecuting believers of other religions, even today. I can give many more examples. The more you read history, the more you realise that truth is stranger than fiction. I didn't want to say such ugly things in the comment section of such a beautiful video, but you left me no choice. If you have actually read history, you wouldn't defend religion. If you defend religion, any religion...it just proves that you haven't read history.

  • @harisankarp7147
    @harisankarp7147 Před 3 lety

    Sacchidānanda ✨

  • @MarvinMonroe
    @MarvinMonroe Před 3 lety

    Just starting video. To me, self realization/enlightenment and all of that isn't even religion. Has nothing to do with belief or faith and doesn't require any faith. It's all about logic and reason and personal experience

  • @paramesthavasu9562
    @paramesthavasu9562 Před 3 lety +2

    Dear Sis, with due respect - though you try valiantly try to explain Sanātana Dharma concepts with regard the religiosity (or lack of it) of Bharatanatyam to your audience your tone is still echoes back to the subservient, apologetic and dismal “Hindu” stance of cowering before the bullies of proselytising Abrahamic cults.
    Trying to appease (the unappeasable ) i.e. the Oh-so-superior, “One God” creedists. A terrible “One God” who is vengeful and who promises ‘Hell & Damnation’ (or Jahannam & Jahīm) if you don’t follow HIS dictates’. We would not tolerate this from any ruling DESPOT! Why then -do we tolerate it of this awful “OneGod”.
    The problem is- how nearly a 1000yrs of occupation has infected the Indian mind-set that it perpetually needs to justify its deities/ spirituality/divinities in terminologies designed to appease the “One God” creedists.
    The core being of Indian culture is the adoration of the divine - be it subliminal spiritual or corporeal. In everything we do - be it song dance drama speech literature etc - it is the very essence of being. Please discard appeasement and remember- what Leela Samson did to the Kalakshetra!!!