Vocal Coaches React to Courtney LaPlante of Spiritbox - "Do NOT Try This At Home!"
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2023
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No more Spiritbox?
The end of the song is legitimately the most impressive part vocally. Why did you cut that off?
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We're all wondering the same thing.
Agreed. The ending of Circle with Me is the piece of candy.
@Mitchell Horn "Holy Roller" may i correct
Nobody knows, but it definitely deserves a dislike
Ending this reaction early is basically a war crime
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Imho the really impressive part is the switch during the song climax at the end of the video. Sad that you stopped the reaction before it happened.
Exactly! I was going to comment about that too. In this true one-take performance of Circle With Me, the fact that she adds a new twist to the song by repeatedly switching between clean and harsh vocals, mid-phrase and even between syllables, is absolutely amazing.
Yeah I was anticipating them really freaking out at that part cause it’s so damn impressive.
Yes
came here to say that, they missed the most impressive part of the performance
Same
Wait, you didn't react to the crazy ending of "Circle With Me?" Mind blowing switches like nothing I've ever heard anyone else come close to.
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Loved this! Definitely check out Tatiana of Jinjer too. Her one-take of “Judgment (and Punishment)” is a thing of beauty.
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Jess the jinjer army is here.. 😅 🇺🇦 😎
This is a must!!!
this one🤘
Yes, this one. Definitely. Courtney's impressive, but Tatiana is an alien.
Courtney is one of my favorite vocalists in Metal, she and Tatiana Shmayliuk of Jinjer, please do a reaction to their song Pisces, the live sessions. Both bands have brought a lot of new life to the metal scene. Jinjer is a little more technical musically but I love both bands equally. Will travel to the US in April to see Spiritbox live over there in their first headlining tour.
This comment but I’m going to see Spiritbox in Glasgow.
Agree Tatiana from Jinjer is amazingly talented. Pisces live session or perennial live at Wacken. Outstanding
Yes, they need to react to Pisces from Jinjer!
Always funny, I remember showing arch enemy to friend at school end of 90‘s with Angela Gossow (Alissa white glutz is even better now) singing and let ‚em guess what gender the singer was. And even earlier with Holy Moses with Sabina Classen who were on the thrash metal forefront earlier than Metallica.
Funny that it’s still unusual.
Tatiana Schmaylyuk (Jinjer) and Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth) are the absolute frontrunners in this genre. With a great range and more variations in both harsch and clean vocals. So if you like Spiritbox you will certainly like these vocalists too. Allways good to give this technique some explaining and attention.
Courtney is amazing. You gotta check out Tatiana from Jinjer. Start with Pisces (live session). Then we have Alissa from Arch Enemy. Check out Handshake with hell for her whole range. And last but not least Avienne from Vintersea. Try Illuminated.
And a lot more!
You have to specify JINJER-L IVE SESSION
Check out Alissa when she was in The Agonist!
@@itachibeatz yes just on the top of my head :
Melissa Bonny (Ad Infinitum)
Jessie Williams (Ankor)
Lena scissorhands (Infected Rain)
Heidi Shepherd and Carla Harvey (Butcher Babies)
Charlie Rolfe (As Everything Unfolds)
Adrienne Cowan (Seven Spires)
And still a lot more.
The first time i was like "i dont know if i like this" but the more i listen to this the more i appreciate it.
The metalhead making process
when a metal head says they hate music. But you play a song a beautiful metal piece and they are moving their head a bit. 👀
Check Is out Tatiana Shmayluk from the band Jinjer. They are a Ukrainian progressive metal core band. The general introduction is their song Is Pisces live session but to get a true taste of Tati's vocal range check out Vortex or Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev.
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Loved the reaction. For more Spiritbox and Courtney I would say "Rule of Nines" one take vocal is a must. Another example where you can clearly see her close up technique. The other band to give your expert opinion on is Jinjer. The live session of Pisces will also give a great chance to see Tatiana's close up technique.
"Judgment (and Punishment)" one take is much better for close up of Tatiana's technique(s)
@@BTAColorado yes, that’s very true.
No denying Tati. She's the queen. I love Courtney, but then you have Krysta Cameron, who was lead on Iwrestledabearonce, before Courtney took over. I hate mentioning other bands in a reaction, but y'all are vocal coaches. Spiritbox has a genre, that Courtney fits great in, but you are just scratching the surface.
Next up: reactions to Jinjer/Tatiana (Pisces) and to Devin Townsend (Kingdom)
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Have y'all checked out the band jinjer. The lead singer in my opinion is the best female lead singer in metal distortion singing. She's amazing.
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We’re all in awe tbh 😂 I’ve watched their videos a hundred times and it’s mind blowing every time.
This is like she controls the darkness. Its so incridible
Look up operation "throat cam" from Charismatic Voice. They show, as did an actual scientific study in the early 2000s, that during "Metal Screams" the folds of the vocal cords do NOT contact each other, when done properly, therefore it is SAFE to do for your vocal health! They used a Laryngoscope on Alex Ramos of Lorna Shore.
I had brought this up to her, the old study, and a few months later she did this with Alex and an ENT (EAR, NOSE, and THROAT Doctor)!
You guys need to react to Will Ramos of Lorna Shore, he has done some one shot vocal takes of a few of their songs and all I can say is, your mind will be literally blown. That said Courtney and Spiritbox are incredible.
I agree 👍 💯
I also agree. To the Hellfire one take vocal.
His cover of Hypnosis by Sleep Token is a great Segway based on the clean/heavy distortion shift during the track.
Screameo
Next Tatiana of Jinjer one take vocal of "Judgement and Punishment"
I have to chime in with literally everyone else: you should not have skipped the end of Circle With Me if you appreciate her vocal skill.
Hello Singeo ladies! You didn't play the end of the Circle With Me live performance video and she did some very cool mixed clean/harsh vocals in the last chorus! If you liked and/or were intrigued by Courtney's vocals, I highly recommend checking out the song Pisces (live in the studio video) by the Ukrainian metalcore band Jinjer. They also have a female vocalist, Tatiana, and she is a legitimate metal vocal goddess, with the ability to instantly transition back and forth from her beautiful clean voice to some of the best scream/growl harsh vocals I've ever heard, female or male.
I think you're ready with Jinjer - Pieces
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check jinjers judgement and punishment live one take, she’s very similar. and it’s in the studio just like this one so you can see her side profile while singing
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Great reaction! Concur with others on Rule of Nines one take. I would also add Rotoscope, offical music video. Concur with others on Jinjer and Pisces. I would also add Alissa White Gluz from Arch Enemy. She mostly sings in harsh vocals but has a beautiful clean voice as well and occasionally uses both in a song. One of my favorites is Handshake with Hell or her collaboration with Nita Strauss The Wolf you Feed.
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Good reaction. I love Courtney but you have to check out Tatiana Shmailyuk of Jinjer. I highly recommend that you react to "Pisces" (Live Session) or "Judgement and Punishment" (One take vocal performance).
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Love how open minded you all are, super awesome
Metal head here. I can't scream, but i've been trying to figure it out for 6 years, and have a basic understanding of what she's doing. The lows we call False Chord Screaming. you relax your true fold enough that they don't activate at all, and the sound is produced completely by your false chords (hence the name). The higher screams are Fry Screams. it's a combination of a clean note for projection, and fry for the distortion. It's such an strange way to use your voice that its INCREDIBLY difficult thing to learn. Like I said, after 6 years I still can't do it properly
There are so many singers with such a variety of skill sets in metal that it's crazy. Courtney, Tatiana (Jinjer), and Allisa (Arch Enemy) probably have the best combination of singing and harsh vocals, but I admit to being partial to female singers. Will Ramos (Lorna Shore) is an absolute freakshow of harsh vocal talent.
This set off a whole new road this channel should venture down with the wondrous world of metal
Hey guys! Nice reaction, though I will say that the end of the Circle With Me One-Take is fantastic, and I hope you guys watched it off camera.
Courtney does mostly false-fold growling. Her true vocal cords are not involved in any way most of the time she’s using distortion. That ability to flip between growls and cleans is how you know she’s doing it correctly and healthily.
What she’s doing is passing air (a lot of it-more than with cleans) over the false folds and essentially allowing them to rattle around. She hits different pitch centers by manipulating her resonance cavities-elongating her neck, tilting her head down, raising or lifting the soft palette, and changing the shape and openness of her mouth.
Hope that helps for a bit of explanation until you can (maybe, hopefully) talk to Courtney! 😊
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Aw you didn’t even get to the best part of the song! Her last two lines are some of the most amazing vocals I’ve ever experienced!
You missed the end of the first one! "Circle with me " That's the best part!
Seeing them live in Australia at the end of the month. I'm so excited
This is new to you? Well, try out "Rule of Nines" (there`s also a vocal one-take version) or "Blessed be" - actually you can choose about every of their songs and never get a bad one...
And - well, you should check out the Ukrainian band Jinjer: Best entry into the rabbit hole would surely be "Pisces" (live session) or Tatiana`s vocal one-take of "Judgement and Punishment" 😊🤘
Ah, and don`t forget some other really good female singers in that genre: Of course Alissa White-Gluz from Arch Enemy with "Handshake with Hell" or "Reason to believe", two of the very rare songs where she does not only growl,
then there is a faszinating band, also from Ukraine, Velja, with "Rigor Mortis" or with (🙄) "A Suite for an ugly Trombone" (hope I got it right...),
and then there is another great singer from that corner of the world, Moldova, with her band Infected Rain "Earth Mantra" for example or with Seas on the Moon`s "Sanctuary" or "Bad Omens": Lena Scissorhands...
Well, try it out it might be worth it! 😁🤘
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Yes omg Jinjer Pisces is a must please
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I'm not gonna lie, after listening to alot of Metal Vocalist and being able to scream for years now, the switching from Distortion and Singing is actually very very easy and most Metal Vocalists can do it.
Really interesting to see what's difficult from singers of other genres!
It's not "very very easy" especially not as fast, controlled, and consistently as Courtney does it. After years of practice it can be done, but it's not "easy."
@@cloudoftime I'm not trying to downplay Courtney's vocal talent and singing, but I'm serious when I say it's super easy when you use one of the most common screaming techniques like Courtney and most other bands. It shares the same vocal chords as your singing/speaking voice. You can even do it too after only weeks of practice. I've done it when my band needed a 2nd harsh vocals after only a week or so of practice. Both Fry Screaming and False Chord screaming can do this.
It seems like most people are impressed by this because maybe Spiritbox is the only metal band they listen to because bands from decades ago have been using this type of screaming/singing back and forth for years now.
Bands include but not limited to;
Memphis May Fire (Matty uses this ALOT, listen to Vices by them)
The Word Alive
As I Lay Dying
Novelists FR (The singer here also uses this alot)
Veil Of Maya
It's more of a style really. Cause pretty much most metal vocalists can do it, but it may sound rather whiney (which is the case with Novelists. Some songs are just a bit annoying to listen to.)
Basically, if in your screams you can hear a bit of your singing/speaking voice coming through, then you can easily switch it back and forth. Unless you're using a scream that activates your burping vocal chords like Tatiana from Jinjer.
@@PotatoWagon Many people are impressed because they are unfamiliar with it. That said, you're just wrong with the description generally. It's not "very very easy" to have that kind of control for most people. "Very very easy" is not an accurate way to explain it. "Very very easy" would mean that anyone could do it immediately. This is not the case.
And I don't need examples. I've been listening to, and performing metal vocals since 2000.
And I think you mean false chords.
@@cloudoftime It IS very very easy. But I'm not here to argue. You just gotta try it out yourself and then you'll know.
@@PotatoWagon Did you even read my comment? You're apparently just here to listen to yourself. I have been performing metal vocals since 2000. That's 23 years. I know what it takes for various different people, not just myself. Calling it "very very easy" generally is just not an accurate way to describe it. Not at Courtney's level of control and consistency like I said. But you obviously aren't here to actually read what I say and engage with it substantively.
Monuments is another band with an incredible skilled vocalist in this genre. Andy Cizek is their vocalist. Makeshift Harmony is spectacular. Anything from the In Stasis album!
Tatiana from jinjer next please..
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Oh no, you cut out the end of circle with me 😢 best part too
Definitely check out the other Spiritbox one takes.
This one is fantastic, but it was shot after they finished a large tour. So this video is very indicative of what she sounds like on tour.
I would love to see you maybe do a comparison of her voice being road worn in vs a fresher live take
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Vocal fry was used sparingly during the 5th century in Gregorian chants. The purpose of the vocal fry or slack was to give the illusion of the bass voices sounding an octave lower.
If u like spirit box u need to check out jinjer the song is pisces will blow your mind
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Love seeing people get into extended vocal technique. For more female growlers: Jinjer, Arch Enemy, Abnormality, Konvent… just to make a few…
You gotta do a reaction to jinjer now if you think Courtney’s great Tatiana is amazing
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I love spirtbox another one you should check out is the band infected rain. The lead singer is Lena scissorhands.
Been screaming for almost 15 years and it’s so much fun!
The Charismatic Voice channel got together with Will Ramos, lead singer and screamer of Lorna Shore, to create comprehensive warm-ups and exercises aimed at folks who want to learn to scream without getting hurt. Solid, and proper technique is taught and explained. Courtney is amazing!
I'D LOOOOOVE to hear an interview with Courtney from you. I'm dying to know more about her technic
Hands down one of the best vocalists in metal . She’s the best ! Love Courtney so much
You cut the end off?? This should be a crime it’s literally the best part of that one take!
Ya'll didn't even get to the best part of "Circle with Me" where she screams/sings/screams word by word by word at the end of the video!
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It's most impressive from someone capable of contrasting great harshes, frying or growls, with astounding powerful and/or distinctive cleans. Courtney's great that way, Tatiana from Jinjer is very impressive, Devin Townsend and Bjorn Strid of Soilwork are some of the very best among guys. Enjoy the discovery!
Heeeeyyy metal vocalist here. A lot of the pitch between the distortion is caused by face head shape. You see her drop her jaw and O her mouth to create more space and resonance in the apparatus, which drops it into a low.
It's called false chord screaming. When you scream correctly, it makes it easier to switch between the heavy vocals and the cleans.
Oh the best part of the video and her vocals is the end of the song when she switches so seamlessly. Kind of disappointed you didn't show the reaction/breakdown of that
You ladies should really check out the acoustic version of constance by them , her voice is beautiful in it
There are a lot of bands in this genre that have unique and impressive vocals... take a listen to bands like Sleep Token or, Jinjer, maybe even Teseract, or Monuments... all have amazing vocalists ....
Why didn’t you finish circle with me??? The end is amazing
This is awesome
I would love to hear and see more about this. As a fan of this genre, I’d really be interested in learning about these singing techniques!!
also other commenters have mentioned tatiana of jinjer and if i'm going to be real, she's the best female metal vocalist. there is nobody who's close and that's recognizing how much of an absolute badass Courtney is.
Pisces by Jinjer you need to check out Tatiana
I would appreciate a reaction to the complete song I was so excited to see a different perspective on vocal breakdown, I feel let down on the length and overall time on the actual songs themselves
Ladies, you REALLY need to check out a video from The Charismatic Voice where they put a camera down Will Ramo's throat while he does harsh vocals.
If you want to see a really cool video, check out The Charismatic Voice's channel and watch the video she did with Will Ramos of Lorna Shore. She took him to get a camera down his throat and you can see what's happening with his vocal folds and everything else while he does different harsh vocal techniques
I second this!!!
Tatiana Shmayluk of Jinjer: Pisces, Alissa White-Gluz w/ Nita Strauss: The Wolf You Feed, Melissa Bonny of The Dark Side of the Moon: Jenny of Oldstones.
We need them to watch will ramos 💀
Definitely need to check out the band Jinjer now! Tatiana is just as amazing a vocalist as Courtney
My all time favorite voice like this is Randy Blythe of Lamb of God. Okay, no, that's not right or fair. Courtney LaPlante is on a level all her own. She is absolutely incredible. The way she can switch word to word from growling to singing is so unique. I've never heard anything like it. She is so awesome.
What I meant to say is that my all time favorite voice that's _nothing_ like this, except that he has a mean gutteral growl, is Randy Blythe, singer for Lamb of God. I'm also a huge fan of him as a lyricist. I think he writes some of the coolest lines in metal. So maybe that biases my opinion of his voice a little?
There's an interesting question. If anyone else were singing his lines or if he were singing someone else's lines, would his voice still sound as good to me? Does a singer who is also a songwriter sound better to the ear if their lyrics resonate with the listener?
Have you heard of Ankor? They are a band that originates from Spain. They just dropped a video for their song "Prisoner." I think you'd also flip out over their singer. She is from the UK.
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This reaction has me wondering just how familiar these ladies are with harsh vocals, because if Courtney got this reaction, Tatiana from Jinjer will really break them.
Coutney's ability to scream with pitch is something I've seen other vocal coaches point out and it makes her just as great as Tatiana, though. If you two want a good performance, either watch their video of The Mara Effect at Silverside Sound, or Courtney's one take performance of "The Beauty of Suffering".
You should see more of female fronted bands with that kind of voice!
Some Mentions:
Arch Enemy - Deceiver, Deceiver
The Agonist - Days before the World wept
Jinjer - Who is Gonna be the One? / Vortex
Monochromatic Black - Wall of Dissonance
Once Human - Scar Weaver
VEXED - Hideous
Ankor - Prisoner
Nervosa - Guided by Evil
Infected Rain - The Realm of Chaos
Hm... Any other songs? In this s similar genres?
OK
Spiritbox - Rule of Nines** (live sing-thru) YT file = vVDXTFeGYwc
Jinjer - Pisces (whole band playthru) YT file = SQNtGoM3FVU
Jinjer - Perrenial (live Wakken - 2019) YT file = bxi3i9wzQBk
Jinjer - Vortex (official video... shows some incredible versatility) YT file = AiaOSGZTwtY
Jinjer - I Speak Astronomy YT file = KJoPIgg17U4
Nightwish - Yours is an Empty Hope (Floor does all the growls in this one) YT file = vyLsU7Q333k
There's man, many more...but that's a decent start.
** Very important... you may or may NOT want to fully understand what the Rule of Nine is. As it involves triage/prognosis for severe burn victims.
btw, I can speak briefly to the relatively safety of harsh vocals.
(I'm a private practice DMD who spent my first three years in a faculty position at a dental school in charge of medically compromised patients, including head/neck/throat reconstruction/trauma-patients)....basically, if done properly, it is no more dangerous than any other form of vocalization...since (with the exception of vocal fry utilizing partial closure of the true vocal folds) these sounds are produced by false folds, the root of the tongue, tissues of the posterior nasopharynx, etc...the true folds are not involved. There is a slowly growing body of scientific knowledge surrounding harsh vocals. You might want to watch a video in which Will Ramos (of the band Lorna Shore) has a laryngoscope video'd in the clinic of Dr's Ingo Titze and Amanda Stark, to investigate HOW Will makes some of the sounds he does. Hosted by Elizabeth Zarhoff (opera soprano/Charismatic Voice on YT), this is a must-see for ANY vocal coaches and those interested in vocal production, speech pathology, speech therapy, etc. The YT of Will is = Ua8SuWNPrLE?t=1450
If you enjoyed this highly recommend Jinjer Pieces, it will blow your mind in the same vein. Also you skipped the best part, the one take of circle with me has a great back and forth at the end between screaming and singing. The skill is insane.
Tallah - Shaken not stired combines a lot of cool techniques together as well.
I love the ignorance in the proper ‘knowers’. Welcome to music. Finally.
So I want to hear your thoughts on two songs. This lead vocalist was not vocally trained at all and I am in awe of his talent. The songs are by Falling In Reverse titled Zombified and then I’m Not a Vampire Revamped.
Jinjer, Arch Enemy... there are plenty of cool examples to dive into
Its like people have never heard metal...omg she screamed?!
If you haven't seen the laryngoscopy of will Ramos, y'all would really enjoy that. It was done with the charismatic voice
you’ve got to try jinjer now 😃
This only happens live with a sound tech that knows how to mix well.
I've worked with a few vocalists that prefer I keep their mic volume higher and let them use pullback and vocal power to control the volume.
With this style of singing, utilizing muc volume instead of vocal chord power is the only way to make a long career in this genre.
Most techs are cool and should understand what you want.
The best part is the fact she's not the only one or even the first one.
Jinjer
Arch Enemy
Infected Rain
Butcher Babies
Otep
Seas On the Moon
. . . and even more!
Jinjer - Pisces
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you missed the most impressive part of Circle with Me
Where is the rest of the song? The best part.
So, if your hunting around on CZcams you will find a video done by The Charismatic Voice (Elizabeth) with Will Ramos of Lorna Shore and putting a camera down his throat. What you will see is his vocal cords instead of closing as two straight curves instead close as an S shape. So, twisted in hard bends. The sound comes through as growls and pig squeals. The tones are all created by changing the shape of your mouth and tongue. Courtney (of Spiritbox) and Tatiyana (of Jinjer) both are excellent examples of women that can actually vocalize while growling. For good example of male singers that can do it you would look Randy Blythe (of Lamb of God) or Joe Duplantier (of Gojira). Will Ramos of Lorna Shore might be a bit too extreme for most viewers.
Y'all like this then you must have seen what Will Ramos can do, right? He's in a little band called Lorna Shore. The song everyone freaks out about is called To the Hellfire. The last 30 seconds of that song, it doesn't sound like it's physically possible for a human being to make those sounds. But he does it effortlessly. I forget where I saw it, somewhere on this platform, they took him to some kind of vocal research lab at a university or something like that. They put a camera down his throat while he's singing to see how his voice is able to do these things and it just... The guy isn't human. I'm convinced he is some kind of alien from another dimension sent here to teach the human race how to elevate to the next level of heavy metal. His vocal folds will actually cross over each other and twist up in these weird ways. And he has such fine control over it all that he can make these sounds night after night in concert and not injure his voice. He says he doesn't put hardly any effort into it. It's all vocal control and nuance and breath control. He's not out of breath or straining or turning red in the face. He just does it. Screaming to him is as effortless as speaking is to us.
So now that I've over-hyped it, you can go be disappointed and/or you're already fully aware of Will Ramos and all this was a waste of typing. Lol.
Have you heard the band Jinjer. Courtney is amazing but Tatiana of Jinjer has insane control with a voice like this as well
You need to get on that Will Ramos, Lorna Shore, vocal ting. He does some strange stuff
as aomeone is has learned some screming that i've learned that its more of technique more than volume. from my understanding to get the vocals that loud and effective you would need to get the technique right and also with a bit of audio engineering you would need to to have compression effect both live and recording
I'd love to see what you think of Maynard James Keenan, vocalist of tool, there is a great live video of their 1993 breakout performance "Tool Sober Live at Reading Festival 1993"
If you want to hear a wild but controlled harsh vocal demonstration please watch to the hellfire one take by Lorna Shore. (Posted by "the Will Ramos".) I feel like this band has captured very opera inspired elements and blended those elements into something very cool.
I wrestled a bear once is another band she was in which was also fantastic.
Lorna shore- to the hellfire one take vocal. No filter no auto tune just amazing
This was outstanding!You should seriously cover Dark by October Ends. The vocals in it are insane!
My first recommendation would be to finish Circle With Me. I'm sure you had your reasons, so no hate here-Don't want to wrongly give the impression that their fans are jerks. But just to let you know, that was physically painful for many of us lol!
You ladies should check out Jinjer. You won't regret it.
I really want them to dissect kyo's [Dir en grey] whistle screams
People are gonna throw Jinjer at you, and they're gonna probably say "Pisces," but I recommend either Vortex, Perennial, or I Speak Astronomy.