It's Finally Here | Death Rope VS Fully Serrated Knife Edge
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2023
- The long awaited battle has arrived! Death rope vs fully serrated Spyderco Spyderedge!
Can the knife survive with its edge intact, or will the Death Rope claim its next victim? Let's find out with the Spyderco Salt in H2!
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I'd definitely like to see a comparison between serrated K390, LC200N, etc!
I'll keep it in mind for future testing!!! Thanks!
Sharpening serrations is just a skill like plain edge.
You can use the corners of some stones if the abrasive covers them, but there are also sharpening rods that Spyderco makes which can sharpen both serrations and plain edges.
I would recommend the CBN rods and the medium ceramic, for a simple set.
My best results sharpening serrations so far, including repairing damage, has been with the Spyderco Sharpmaker on a serrated LC200N Spyderco Caribbean. Some models, like the Caribbean, have more mellow and less jagged teeth from the factory. I can typically get them shaving sharp and slicing paper just as clean as a plain edge.
A lot people on the forums are more skilled than me, though. There’s a lot more to serrations than meets the eye, but I think there are good resources out there that help demystify the steel teeth, especially on the Spyderco forum.
So cool - thanks for letting me know. LC200N would be real cool!
What an honor to receive a communication from a Glesser. You deserved it Gabe!
You have made a good name for yourself in the knife community!
Thanks so much, I feel super honored. Don't even know what to do with it all at the moment. He's a legend in my book. No less now that I occasionally talk to him, haha!
I'd love to see you compare different types of serrations such as Veff vs triple point.
OOOOhhh, that would be so nerdy and cool. I don't see a lot of CRKT around these parts here in NZ but I'll keep my eyes open!
It does cut paper,but it is through isolation of a single tooth in the serration itself, in my personal experience or if the serrations are small enough. I posted on bladeforums a few years ago my experience with Cold steel serra. I was able to get a few CS knives in the CS serrations at a great price so initially I kind of tried to sharpen one serr. at a time what a pain it was finally I just gave in and sharpened the whole edge like it was non-serrated the results were like a hybrid edge which I ended up really liking because it cuts through cardboard like a plain edge and it also cuts paper like a plain edge but you can feel and clearly see that its a sort of serrated edge,it also outstanding in cutting fibrous material like thick stock rose/flower stems I had a bunch together about 5 in . in diameter(Mexican vacation it was the only knife I had with me) it went through it with no problem and still maintained its edge-so thats my experience and I really love this knife it gave me confidence that I didn't waste my $$ buying a few of these........ just my .25¢ of info -sorry
Very cool! Can you describe what you mean? Did you sharpen the flat side of the serrations flat or at an angle? Did you rake the serrations over the corner of a flat stone or use some kind of rounded sharpening implement?
Very interesting!
@@homeslicesharpening I just sharpened the side with the serrations I didn't mess with the non show side,honestly the CS serrations are delicate as you may know and eventually they are just like a micro serrated edge I think the steel is either vg1 or aus8 I still carry the knife from time to time its a great user
also I just used my diamond sharpening stone thousand grit or so.,only time will tell how it all all works out i've only had to touch it up a couple of times
@@blueswan2175 Nice - thanks for the response!
All things considered this is a very successful design where they've managed to take a steel almost impervious to rusting and put the proper edge on it to make it perform quite well for the knives intended use! Kudos to Sal
Yeah true!
Remarkable, I had no idea h1/h2 type steels would respond so well.
Neither did I, it was so cool!!!!
Thats amazing sal reached out!
Cant wait to see what they sent to test out.
There is some fun stuff! I'm still working on stuff donated previously (yours included) but I am amped to test the rest of the stuff from Spyderco!!!
Rip cliff stamp:( he was a legend I really wanted to meet.
Sal is someone I definitely can. If I could ever get a picture with him I’d be so damn stoked.
Sal seems sorta.. groovy. Definitely a unique guy.
Yeah - Sal is rad!
It would be great to see the results from the same test with serrated K390.
Thanks! I'll keep it in mind!!!
Yay serrated 🎉 , my EDC is a VG10 endela serrated, and it’s insanely sharp, I keep it stropped on a plain leather strop and a round spyderco ceramic, once you figure out the best angle and use the edge of the table or strop or stone a serrated vg10 will stay scary sharp, lc200 imo requires more attention then vg10 when I am cutting dirty hay netting, but a pocket triangle sharpener gets into the serrated blade and whips it back into “ Steve acceptable sharp “
That kangaroo and ceramic will work harden that H1 , great video hermono
P.S Sal is a cool guy and he sent me a cool note about my G2 delica ( after 30 years of EDC he had his guys re profile the serration and its like 100% again 👍)
That is so cool about Sal - what an awesome guy. Great to hear from you Steve! Very cool to get some feedback from someone with extensive serration experience!!!
I just got Police 4 K390 in Serrated Edge, with the extra blade length, I bet it would blast right through it.
Oh yeah, I think the rope would have no chance!
Sounds like an awesome experience. With presents, cool🎉
My mind was blown!
Very cool that Spyderco reached out to you, you deserve the visibility! I'm not surprised the serrations did so well, they're fantastic for cutting rope and line of all kinds. If I was cutting rope every day, I'd carry something with serrations. Unfortunately, serrations make a mess of a lot of other cutting chores and/or make them more difficult. You can't just whittle up a marshmallow stick with a serrated blade, and food prep is pretty gruesome if you're sawing through your tomatoes etc.
Yeah, I would agree from my limited experience. If I ever work in a rope factory or on a boat though, you know I'm gonna buy one.
Thanks for your thoughts, great comment!
I would love to see Spyderco, come out with a model, featuring the combination edge, but reversed, with the serrations from tip to middle. Leaving middle to hilt, plain edge. Similar to the Victorinox (trekker? The model escapes me at the moment). The Endura, comes immediately to mind, for this. It will likely never happen, but wow, I believe it would be awesome! Spyderco, currently has, and has always had, the best and most useful serrations on their knives, in my humble opinion. Thanks mate, for the test! It wouldn’t have been proper, without being bitten by the Spyderedge! 🤙🏼
Ah, that's a cool idea!
What do you find changes in the use of the knife with the serrations out at the tip? I could see where putting them in the curved belly would be better than the flat (where they are often placed) for increased slicing efficiency. And it seems like tasks benefitting from a fine edge would be easier to control closer to the handle (and benefit from a flat portion of edge, also for control).
Is that kind of what you mean?
I too had a similar experience when i was able to speak with Mike Stewart of Bark River Knives he left me feeling the same way about him that you did for Sal and obviously he was one of my knife idols prior to our 45min phone conversation then afterwards i ended it having far more admiration for him and his work...
Awesome!
Ahhh yes the legendary Cliff Stamp may he rest in peace 🙏 i had just purchased the gavko S7 tool steel knifechette with orange and yellow handles that he loved dearly from him only 2-3wks prior to him being murdered (according to canadian news) while out on the lake ice fishing... To me that blade is absolutely priceless and i will never ever part with it! There are actually several videos of the knife on here as when Mike made it there was a warp in the blade so he refused to sell it due to this and instead he sent it all around to multiple knife youtubers and told them "do your worst" and it not only survived but it chops like no other blade i own and yes i do use it quite often! But it eventually ended up with Cliff and he made a really awesome video of himself flying through a whole pile of firewood with it the thing is the pure definition of a high performance chopper atits finest lol i own a custom bladesports style chopper in 4V and that cannot even come close to the same performance i really think of the over 1,000 different knives in my collection the knifechette may be my prized blade...
That is such an awesome story, thanks for sharing!!!
Thats so awesome Gabe, congratulations. Im glad that all the work you've done has been acknowledged and as a result you got more stones and steels to test. Sal Glesser is like a legend to me as you said, a man who's contribution to the knife industry is rivaled by few if any. And yet you see h8m at shows or on the forums and he's just a inife junkie like the rest of us and is down to earth. So cool that you got a chance to talk to him.
Keep up the great work my friend.
Thanks Alex! I have been stoked to meet him, truly!
@@homeslicesharpening I bet. The results with the serrations were interesting. I think it'd be cool to see how lc200n, s30v and k390 fully serrated knives would do. Will the wear resistance with these steels be better like with plain edge or is a softer less carbide steel like H2 performs better? Though it's a steel that does better with serrations since it work hardens (from what I've seen people stated the edge is like 65hrc on serrations) so it's a bit different from regular steels.
Yeah, would be super interesting
@@D00MTR33
Enough is enough, know your limits. Lately I haven't sharpened any knives because I only notice the limits of my illness when I've gone too far. I always hope to get back to where I was before, but after all these years of being sick, that is an illusion. All I hope is that at the end of my illness there will be some validity left. Glad you are getting recognition for what you do.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that - I hope you get back on your feet again soon. Thanks for your comment!
@@homeslicesharpening I will get back on my feet, I always make sure of that.
Staying stable is a challenge, I have been ill for more than 10 years now and my disability continues to deteriorate.
Not quickly, and it is also very variable, especially when I try to do something more.
Sharpening the knives is a bonus, I only do that when there is balance and I feel clear.
@@computeronzin That makes sense - what is the disability you have?
@@homeslicesharpening What I have is called Neuroborreliosis, which once started as Lyme disease and the Borrelia bacteria has broken through the blood-brain barrier.
I can still do a few things, but I'm a bit at the end, even when I do my utmost to stress my body as little as possible, it's already too much.
No one knows how it will end, of course I hope that I can keep my independence and for the rest I am positive.
@@computeronzin I am so sorry my friend, thank you for sharing. I will pray for you, and I am thankful to receive your comments. I hope you have a good day today.
I love my serrated Pacific Salt! I've read that H2 work hardens when the Spyderedge serrations are formed, and hold their edge much longer than any plain edge H2 knife. What I can confirm is that, for cuts you make for things to discard (cardboard boxes, weeds/branches, twine or rope), serrated edges are fantastic. Problem is, I carry 2 knives everyday... serrated in my left pocket, and plain edge in my right :) But you know, 2 is 1, and 1 is none! Welcome to the club!
Thanks mate! Glad to have experienced the magic!
Interesting test and wonderful news that Sal and Spyderco are supporting you 👍🏻 Good things come to good people clearly.
I believe that blade shape is a modified Sheep’s Foot rather than a Wharncliffe, as Wharncliffe blades usually come to a vicious fine point (like on a Yojimbo/Yojumbo) and are extremely ‘stabby’ (having stabbed myself with great aplomb more than once with mine 😂). I know there’s no tone in these comments but I’m saying this in a friendly way, not being a pedantic comments troll 🙂
Thoroughly enjoying your videos Gabe. Well done on keeping it clean when you cut yourself too - my youngest son was watching with me 👍🏻
Oh, that's a good point about the point! I will concede, you are correct - I suppose as the tip of the knife transitions from acute/straighter to a quarter circle you transition from Wharnie to Sheepsfoot. Some are unclear, but this knife is firmly in the realm of Mod/Sheepsfoot!
I lose track because they are not my favorite shape so I have not had a lot. Nothing bad about them, they can be really awesome, it's mostly just a taste thing.
You're welcome! Haha, I try to keep it clean - as a family man myself!
Cheers.
I really like the serrations Spyderco makes. I have two part serrated Spydercos. Can highly recommend.
Amazing - thanks for the recommendation!
Spiderco's famous sharpener is made for serrations or they have diamond tapered rods that are made for serrations not a lot of money either.
Amazing, thanks! They saw the video and have offered to send me one because they rock 👍🏻
Sal grabbed shawn perhaps Gabe is next? Pete has been taken…
I think this is a brilliant way to keep innovative.
Michael christy has a great video of serrated sharpening, need a round diamond and a round or slip stone, I’ve bought a kit of 2-10mm rrruby round stones.or your new pal Sal could send you a serrated kit, or just buy some sharp maker triangle stone about $20 each.
Amazing, thanks!!!
I'd really love to see your thoughts on carrying a serrated knife. I've always found them better for my day to day tasks
I found it to be fun - extremely aggressive. Difficult for food prep though, between the thick edge and hollow grind. Really good for cardboard, and fibrous stuff!
As I do a lot of food prep with my knives, I don't know if I'll fully convert, but I was pleasantly surprised!
I can get bread knives to glide through the paper test. On smaller serrations I can make them pretty functional again but not quite factory sharp.
How do you usually sharpen them?
The worksharp guided field sharpener has a small ceramic that can get in most serrations, also the victorinox sharpener can get in there and do the job well.
@@gonad84 Excellent thanks!!!
The sharpness test is completely pointless on a serrated blade, the deeper part of a serration which is being tested barely touches the rope, or whatever it's cutting; it's the tips of the serration that do the work, and they will eventually wear away. That said, a serrated knife, love them or loath them, are better than a regular blade for almost every single task you might use a knife for. And will keep a working edge for, more or less, the life of the knife.
Interesting! That's a great point, and I can see that the sharpness would be better tested on the portion that bears the greatest brunt of the work. The only problem is that a BESS tester is inaccurate if the portion of edge is too steeply sloped (because the line will slide along and cut too easily) with a flat perpendicular portion of edge being most accurate. Hence the reason I tested in the middle of one of the wider teeth.
Hmmm... Maybe BESS testing serrations really accurately is not possible. Interesting.
@@homeslicesharpening
OK, " pro tip :
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You're in no way any kind of professional ...
Also , have you been shot in the forehead ?
You definitely don't know what you're doing ...you can barely complete a coherent sentence .
The fact that you're earning money off CZcams is just one more in a loonnnnng list of sad indictments on CZcams...
The most surprising thing to me was that the blade wasn't sharper out of the box. I wonder if there was a burr on it, which might explain why there was so little change in the BESS score.
Yeah, it was interesting. Although many blades out of the box have un-removed burr and register in the 200's
Most factory knives are deburred on a buffing wheel, which could work with the right angle and compound but often seems to leave some damaged metal at the edge in one form or another.
I do think that the BESS Score dropped by 110 grams and was sharper than from factory when I stropped with the chromium oxide because it removed a little bit of foil burr.
Thanks for the great comment! Have a good one!
Ad 10:15 when I got serrated Cold Steel Tiger Claw I managed to push cut a piece of paper with a single scallop 😁, I don't think I can replicate this after next sharpening though 😅
BTW Lansky made some croc sticks that help sharpen serrations on Spyderco or Cold Steel
Interesting! Thanks for the info!
Serrated absolutely should cut paper, well sharpened it will whittle hair. Put some coumpound on cheap chopsticks and you have serrated stropping rig.
Aw, that's a cool idea, thanks!
It isn’t hard for me to believe. Sal is a stand out guy, who is really active online manages the spyderco forums always looking for interesting testing of knife edges. The mule team series doesn’t make money but it exists so we can give feedback, he has an anti-ego. Also ask spyderco to send you a sharpmaker, it will fix that serrated knife right up.
SO true, they are amazing. They watched the video and offered to send me one before I even asked!
@@homeslicesharpening I think they have recognized the good work that you are doing. SE is a really huge deal for spyderco fans, and a lot of people really love H-1 or H-2 LC200N has a lot of fans as well. I think that through your testing you have validated a lot SE fan’s preferences.
@@nandayane It seems like it - I am getting comments from a whole new crowd in addition to the usuals (like yourself - who are also much appreciated).
Take care!
Is the deep part of the serration where we should be testing the BESS? Surely we should take a reading off the points? I'm aware that may be very difficult to achieve, but interested in your thoughts.
Haha, I have no idea! This is the first serrated knife I have ever tested. I was thinking it would be good to test in the serrations at the flattest point?
I'd be keen to hear your thoughts honestly - very outside of my expertise in this video.
So.. how do you sharpen those serrations when they eventually go dull?
Either Spyderco's own triangular sharpening stones, or other gear similarly intended for serrations... DMT's tapered diamond rod hones for example.
I don't know! Haha - luckily you have someone experienced to help. Thanks @CSGraves!
I’d like you to test that knife after I have sharpened it.
I would love that. Where do you live?
@@homeslicesharpening Wichita Falls TX. If you can send it to me I can send it back. I’ll put my heart and soul into the edge.