American Couple Reacts: War of the Roses! England's REAL Game of Thrones!! FIRST TIME REACTION!!
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- American Couple Reacts: War of the Roses! England's REAL Game of Thrones!! FIRST TIME REACTION!! This is now one of our FAVORITE Episodes to date!! So much here but WE LOVED THIS!! It is absolutely insane how much happened during The War of the Roses! Knowing the basis that Game of Thrones is based off of this, it made it easy for us to keep up with things and we can certainly see where all the inspiration comes from.
Whether you are a Game of Thrones fan or not, this is an incredible British History lesson! And an absolutely unbelievable time! Shocking ending for us too! Let us know what wasn't covered in this video as we are itching to learn more!
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This is now one of our FAVORITE Episodes to date!! So much here but WE LOVED THIS!! It is absolutely insane how much happened during The War of the Roses! Knowing the basis that Game of Thrones is based off of this, it made it easy for us to keep up with things and we can certainly see where all the inspiration comes from.
Whether you are a Game of Thrones fan or not, this is an incredible British History lesson! And an absolutely unbelievable time! Shocking ending for us too! Let us know what wasn't covered in this video as we are itching to learn more!
If you liked this episode, click the Like button. Thanks for watching everyone and thanks for all your support!!
Don't know if you've done a 'King in the Car park' reaction but if you can find one short enough for review you should be interested.
@Neil Abram no idea what that means?? đ€
@@TheNatashaDebbieShow Richard lll's skeleton was recently found in a car park in Leicester.
There is a video on CZcams about his reburial. It's incredibly moving.
The legbone of King Richard III, who was killed in battle in 1485, was found by archaeologists in Leicester in council car park on 25 August 2012.
He was killed on 22 August 1485 fighting the army of Henry Tudor at the Battle of Bosworth, the last significant battle of the War of the Roses.
The search for King Richard III's body began in August 2012 led by the University's Archeology department in partnership with Leicester City Council.
On the very first day of the excavation, a human skeleton belonging to a man in his thirties was uncovered, showing signs of severe injury. The skeleton had several unusual features, including scoliosis - a severely curved spine.
After being exhumed, examination showed the man had probably been killed by a blow from a large blade which penetrated his skull.
The age of the bones at death matched Richard when he was killed - age 32. In addition, the remains were consistent with documented physical descriptions of the king.
Further DNA analysis comparing the remains with the DNA from 17th and 19th-generation descendants of Richard's sister, Anne of York were found to be a match.
The King re-interned in Leicester Cathedral in 2015
@@TheNatashaDebbieShow Richard III's story doesn't end at the Wars of the Roses. He's popped up much more recently. Any CZcams search for 'Richard III' should produce several options, from under 8 minutes long to over an hour.
I don't want to give you more info here as it might spoil your viewing somewhat, but a quick set of links -
czcams.com/video/wR1IjOVWI7Y/video.html (Search for Richard III, The Archaeological Dig)
czcams.com/video/dsTyGKKl8UA/video.html (Solving a 500 year old Cold Case)
czcams.com/video/mfi6gOX0Nf4/video.html (Identifying the Remains)
czcams.com/video/91R-LkW2x3s/video.html (Richard III, The Scientific Outcome)
czcams.com/video/fwdT2fpd44o/video.html (The Death of Richard III: CSI Meets History)
The shorter vids might miss a bit of detail though. Hope you enjoy what they show.
I went to school in Gloucestershire, England and in a meadow opposite the school a decisive battle during the war of the Roses took place called the battle of Tewkesbury, 4th May 1481. The meadow is known as the bloody meadow, due to the fact 2,000 men were killed in just a couple of hours.
Battle of Tewkesbury was 1471 (I remember it because it is last-number-that-called on the phone).
I lived in Gloucester for years and went to the Battle of Tewkesbury re-enactments every summer on the same fields that it was originally fought on. Also there is a huge medieval fair with all stalls in tents and stall holders dressed in Medieval clothing selling Medieval armour, clothing, re-enactment weapons, food and spices . They've had to move up the road to another field area during the past few years as the farmer decided he wanted to use his land, but it's right next to the ancient pub that was originally there at the time.
I live near the site of the Battle of Mortimer's Cross. Think it was the lancastrian defeat that lead to Edward 4 taking the throne in 1461.
The door to the sacristy in Tewkesbury abbey is covered with flattened horse armour taken from the field after the battle.
Games of Thrones is heavily based on the War of the Roses. The shape of Westeros is directly based on England and, as you already figured out, Cersei is based on Margaret. It's the reason why the two protagonist families of Game of Thrones, Lannister and Stark, are closely associated with the colours red and white respectively and their names resemble the real Houses of Lancaster (Lannister) and York (Stark).
So I'd say it's more accurate to say that Game of Thrones is Fiction's War of the Roses :)
Also interesting is that the prequel, "House of the Dragon", is based on the 12th Century English dynastic war known as "The Anarchy". The Empress Maud (also know as Matilda), who was raising hell across England 300 years before the Wars of the Roses, is the inspiration for the character "Viserys" (one of those dragon types, I think).
Very good series on The Anarchy here: czcams.com/video/Ckr9xHnBm-U/video.html&ab_channel=Embracehistoria
I believe there's a fairly recent HBO series about the Empress Maud, too, but I haven't seen it.
I know a historian who would have a fit over him calling it War of the Roses, as it is actually Wars of the Roses. It wasn't one long war, but a group of wars.
At the time i believe it was called the cousins war
More a succession of battles/skirmishes spread out over several decades.
I've known it as the war of the Roses đč cmon Lancashire
War of the Roses is a film.. Wars of the Roses is what Victorians called the Civil wars which were known as 'the Cousin's War'
@@ftumschk More like years rather than decadesâŠ.even centuries! There is still some rivalry between Yorkshire and Lancashire, thecwhite an the red roses!
The Black Princes armour is up in Canterbury cathedral. It always freaks me out that we have so much visible touchable history still around us in the UK. We're constantly walking in the footsteps of our ancestors.
Like when you stand in front of a masterpiece and you can see the brush strokes it sends shivers down your spine to know you're standing where the artist stood
We live in a tiny Country, we are always standing where someone else has stood.đ€Ł
The Black Prince's Ruby was given to him by Pedro of Portugal. The Prince wore it at the Battle of Crecy and Henry V wore it at Agincourt. It is now in the Imperial State Crown.
The Black Prince himself is there too.
There are some series that cover this, one that comes to mind is White Queen, based on the novel be Phillipa Gregory.
Towton was a battle of Longbow Vs Longbow , with the victors shooting with the wind for more range, and it's thought that every household in England knew someone at the battle as the numbers (for the time) were so huge
And yes, they are the Princes in The Tower.
Which shares a similar title to White Queen (as it began) by Queen which Natasha loves lol. A lovely and underrated Queen song BTW to anyone who may be interested, a lot of their album tracks were even better than the more mainstream stuff they released.
If anyone thinks they don't like the band Queen much based on their popular singles, please explore their first few albums. Great King Rat, Ogre Battle, White Queen, Nevermore, The Fairyfellers Masterstroke, The March of the Black Queen are all fab and so different to their stadium filler songs.
I came here to recommend that series! I'm sure it can be downloaded as a box set. So ruthless and bloodthirsty!
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517 Absolutely - IMHO - Q1, Q2 and Sheer Heart Attack are possibly their best albums - Night at the Opera and Day at the Races (named after Marx Bothers films) - marked the time that they finally got the studio time that allowed them to blossom - Being Old I saw them as Smile and as back card for Mott the Hoople :) (tuff break)
With regard to Richard III, there were 3 programmes shown on British TV several years ago, which are now on CZcams, which I am sure you would both find fascinating. The first was the discovery of his body under a car park in Leicester. The exact spot was a reserved space and marked 'R', which is rather spooky! The second programme was about the forensic examination of the body, to prove that it really was Richard III. It ended with two descendants being traced through DNA, which I found mind boggling going back so many centuries. Finally, a service was televised from Leicester Cathedral, where he was reburied.
That's how I was taught to pronounce "dynasties"
Margaret was ruthless.
People have always alleged that Richard 111 had his nephews. I don't believe that. There were other people, including Henry, who would have benefitted from the death of the brothers.
Just a little information about Richard 111. His body was just ignominiously thrown into an unmarked grave in Leicester, where it remained until 2012. A parking lot was being dug up, but because the site had originally been part of a monastery, there were archaeologists carefully excavating the site to see if there was anything of historical value. At the last minute, they found a skeleton that had a bent spine. Richard 111 was alleged to have a hunch back.. After, I think, 3 years they managed to confirm it was the skeleton of Richard 111. They used the mitochondrial dna, which is passed down from the mother. This, of course, caused great excitement and the remains of Richard 111 were given a funeral fit for a king with reactors, on horseback in armour escorting his coffin through the streets of Leicester How often do you get a chance to have a funeral for a king who died about 600 years ago? There are several videos on CZcams about how they discovered the skeleton and eventually confirmed that it was Richard.
The recently released film âThe Lost Kingâ covers the discovery of Richardâs body in the car park. Itâs an excellent film, if not entirely an accurate representation of what actually transpired. Leicester University are up in arms about it - they are not portrayed in a great light, although there is the ring of truth about it - methinks they doth protest too much. End result - more publicity for what I thought was an hugely enjoyable film. Of course, Richardâs body was interred in Leicester Cathedral adding to the vociferous cries of âwe wuz robbedâ coming from Yorkshire who firmly believed Richardâs reign to be A Good Thing. We wanted this âglorious son of Yorkâ to come home. As regards the Princes in the Tower, it is of course possible - if not very interesting - to note that they may have just died. After all, Richardâs own son, a similar age to the two Princes, passed away with no hint of foul play. I bought my wife, well read on the subject a book that posited the theory that the two Princes survived. One became a bricklayer in Essex. While this theory may be rather out there, it is oddly plausible - I mean have you tried pinning down a reliable bricklayer? đđ
It seems more probable that Richard did have the princes murdered, after seizing the crown and bumping off Elizabeth Woodville's relatives.
They disappeared while Richard was in control. Henry and the other suggested culprit's weren't in a position to do it at that time.
A couple of extra facts. I live a 10 min drive from Bosworth battlefield. I actually went to a Christmas craft fare there last weekend. Richard iiiâ remains were found under a car park in Leicester (pronounced lester, or locally, lestah). The city won the right to his remains in 2015 and he was reinterred at Leicester cathedral. Richard iii married Warwickâs daughter and they lived at Warwick castle in Warwickshire which is next to Leicestershire. The castle is still there and is open to the public, they do re-enactments & you can even don armour and have a sword fight there (the kiddies normally). Well worth visit. Lastly, he kept pronouncing Warwick incorrectly. Itâs a hard one to spell out. You need to hear someone say it but essentially the 2nd w is silent and the r is pronounced with a h in front so instead of war-wick itâs wahr-ick.
Not only Warwick, he pronounced St Albans, Tewkesbury and Tudor rather unnatively too.
That's why the Tudor Rose, the main symbol of the Tudor dynasty and used in royal motifs to this day, was a combination of the Lancastrian red rose and the Yorkist white rose. :)
If you do ever visit the UK, I cannot recommend Warwick Castle enough, it's a stunning place with so much history. The Kingmaker, Richard Neville was such a fundamental piece of English history.
I LOVE Warwick Castle... great shout! It is a part of UK that doesn't see that much of non-domestic tourism, so would be nice to see them visit the surrounding countryside and towns!
I absolutely love Warwick castle, it is a living museum, I especially like it during jousting season. I did the dungeons after dark as well and I must admit at night in those dungeons was quite scary.
yes i love Warwick castle.the knights and the falcons and jousting,it's great.
You really need to watch one of our best historians, Lucy Worsley. She makes history both entertaining and informative. The trouble with these quick videos is they give hardly any context.
I love Lucy..she's smart and a bit bonkers.
David Starkey's series Monarchy is the best overview though... je is a bit like a cross school master thoughđ€Ł. I adore Helen Castor... like Lucy a lot of her documentaries are on You Tube. Her one on Lady Jane Grey is superb.
I recommend Dan Jones. He has a book that covers this topic and an excellent series called Britains Bloodiest Crown
Check out Eleanor of Aquatine, Mother of Kings. Again, a story involving both England and France but as full of twists and turns as Queen Margaret's was. Incredible woman.
As a Brit, I am amazed and flattered that you two ladies should show such an interest in our history!
It is your distant connections, I am sure, pushing you ! Thank you.
SO much is missed out of this. Queen Katherine (the widow of Henry V), living quietly in her widowhood, eventually married a Steward (practically a servant) called Owen Tudor and had two sons with him. One of these sons married the 12 year old Margaret Beaufort. Margaret herself was descended from John of Gaunt and his long-time mistress Katherine Swynford, whom he eventually married (thus legitimising their children) after his first two proper wives had died. Margaret gave birth to the future Henry VII at the age of thirteen. The boy was born posthumously as Margaret was already widowed by this time.
This is so much a brief overview, it REALLY takes some looking in to. I would recommend it, though. You could not even MAKE all of this stuff up!
Although the white rose was the badge of the House of York, the red rose was not used at the time. It's a later interpolation. "The Wars of the Roses" is a modern term. Originally, the fighting was known as "The Cousins' War".
Thank you for being interested. Bad feeling between Lancashire and Yorkshire has mainly subsided to the sports field these days, so many of Shakespeare's 'History' plays are about this period. Warwick is pronounced Worrick. The proportion of the population killed in these wars was massive. Tewkesbury is pronounced Chewksberry
Definitely try to find and watch the king in the car park. Incredible stuff, and the story of the two princes in the tower. There was also a quite good dramatisation made called the white queen. This was a series based on the latter end of the War of the Roses and features characterisations of Edward lV, Warwick, Margaret of Anjou and the future Richard lll (younger brother of Edward, who allegedly had the two princes killed, and whoâs body was unearthed in a car park) Its a fascinating subject to dive into. Love your reaction.đ
How defiant should they be?
Ooh yes.. The King Richard III story is fascinating.. A story that only truly ended in 2015..
Absolutely I loved this so fascinating. I think there's a film now too.
@@Dan.Dawson I went to the burial of Richard lll. I was standing next ti a Chinese couple who had come over for it. He is indeed a fabulous figure in history and still it's not clear if he killed the princes.... so many intrigues.
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The battle of Towton was the bloodiest ever battle on English soil. I've seen a documentary on UK Channel 4, focussing the excavation of a mass grave which was the result of a rout at the end of the battle and men running away were chased and hacked down. There were young boys (13/14) killed in it. My friend has given me a book about it which i need to read.
Both Edward ( Later to be crowned Edward IV) And The Duke of Somerset (Commander of the Lancastrians) Had given the order "No Prisoners".
We learned a brief history of this but not into any great detail , love this stuff absolutely fascinating . Thanks guys đâ€
That was a fun ride, ladies. Thank you!
I couldn't help laughing as Natasha got excited at every new twist and turn in the story, whilst Debbie was sitting there bemused at the craziness of the whole thing. I was shouting at the screen for you to wait for what came next! But you never heard me. đ€Ł
Definitely one of your best reactions.
The Battle of Bosworth which kick started the Tudor dynasty was much more complicated than mentioned.
A third of Richard III's army stood around doing nothing, because its commander (Earl of Northumberland) had been 'persuaded' to drop his support for Richard so ignored instructions to join the fight. The Stanley family had placed their forces on a nearby hill, waiting to see who was likely to win before committing to the Battle. It seems they wanted to support Henry Tudor, but weren't convinced he could win. Anyway Richard led a rash charge, which isolated him with only a few knights right in front of the Stanleys, who promptly led their troops down the hill and surrounded and killed Richard. Definitely worthy of Game of Thrones.
I agree with you about the horrors of war.
The Battle of Towton was the most bloody of all the battles. Imagine a football crowd all lying dead and it gives the idea.
I used to live a few miles from the battlefield, and every year when the fields were ploughed for crops, there were new bones reported as turned up.
My father was a policeman, so he knew all about it as every bone had to be investigated by the police to make sure it was ancient, and not a missing person, or a new corpse buried by a recent murderer.
It was covered in history classes, and although it's not my favourite period of English history, my mother is extremely knowledgeable about it (a great fan of the Yorkists). The town of Tewksbury, not far from where I live, hold an annual festival commemorating the battle, with medieval village, battle re-enactment etc.
Did you spot the position of Lord Protector. When Oliver Cromwell took the title it was already established.
Absolutely love your channel I am Lancashire but we all English at the end of the day.The banter with Lancashire and Yorkshire continues to this day but in a more friendlier way.đđđčđŹđ§
Brilliant video
My daughter studied at Lancaster University and every year they hold what is the largest inter-university sports competition in Europe against York University. Its held over 3 days and is called the Roses Tournament - so the Wars of the Roses lives on x
I love that you appreciate other cultures outside of your own but also show passion for your own too. I always learn things. Even about my own culture in the UK. Your passion for the things you react to is catching. It always makes me happy to see people passionate about somthing, no matter what it is.
I like that you can see positives and negatives in both your own and other cultures. â€ïžâ€ïž
I just love these historic videos you're both doing. More please as I'm really enjoying them đđŹđ§
Historian Dan Jones presented a great 3 part documentary on the Wars of the Roses, as well as one on the plantagenets for UK television, which are well worth checking out if you can track them down in the US.
Love the channel BTW.đ
Thanks Jamie
@@TheNatashaDebbieShow You can find them on CZcams. Search for "Dan Jones - Britain's Bloody Crown".
Dan Jones has also written a book on the subject
@Ian Bentley Tremendous documentaries, didn't realise they were on CZcams
I just recommended the same thing. Itâs one of my fave documentaries!
They were originally called âThe wars of the cousinsâ, the Scottish novelist Sir Walter Scott invented the term Wars of the Roses. Warwick is pronounced Warick as was said in the soundtrack.
Richard, who was beaten by Henry Tudor at the battle of bosworth, his body was found in about ten years ago in a carpark. So technically we buried a King of England in the last ten years and there is a film about it called the lost king which came out this year.
Although the two places have adopted the roses now, the names York and Lancaster were more dynastic titles/houses than directly relating to the geographic places and their support - the Yorkists had more support from Lancashire and the Lancastrians had more support from Yorkshire (broadly speaking)
The Earl of Warwick was not called 'The King Maker' without good reason! The Earl's of Warwick were general regarded as the most accomplished in martial arts during the medieval period and certainly one of the richest families in England at the time meaning the wielded considerable power. Warwick Castle, the family seat, exists today and is known to be one of the finest and most complete medieval castles in Europe.
Also the voice-over presenter said WAR-WICK a few times for Warwick, which is actually pronounced with a 'silent W' thus; WARRICK !
It is still in the family and they occasionally reside there. It has been known for the Earl to join a tour and interrupt the tour guide and lead the group off with his own tour. This happened to a group of American tourists I took there in the 70's and they were totally amazed.
The first Earls of Warwick were the Beauforts their armoural bearings are a Bear chained to a ragged Staff.
@@stewedfishproductions7959 Being pedantic, I'm inclined to say the actual pronounciation is more like WORRICK đ
@@pedanticlady9126- I'm happy to go with that as an even better way of describing the correct pronunciation đđ
Earl Warwick was called the kingmaker for a reason. He had two daughters, one marrying George, the conniving, treasonous brother of King Edward IV, who was executed for betrayal; the other one to mad King Henry VI's son and later King Edward's youngest brother, King Richard III. Their life story was pretty tragic as well...I suggest you guys to read or watch contents on "Princes of the tower", which talks about the two surviving sons of King Edward IV, one of who was heir presumptive to English throne but both princes vanished from Tower of London (a prison for royal and high born hostages)
At the time the wars of the roses took place, it was more commonly known as the cousins war.
For obvious reasons.
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Another great video girlies, it still confuses me. They found Richard III's body a few years ago under a car park, that would make a good video theres a film coming out about it as well. British history gets very confusing at times. Keep it up girlies love you xx
For the longest time I had no clue game of thrones was inspired by war of the roses but I did seriously wonder why the lannister name sounded so freaking familar to me XD
Great reaction Natasha and Debbie. This period of history especially the Roses War was so fundamental in shaping the UK as we know it today. The Tudor rose and you will guess was an emblem of the Tudor kings and queens was used to show loyalty which mainly meant funding the kings crusades /wars. Thats why you see so many tudor roses on family crests and nobility and it was this loyalty and funds that got Britain out of the medievil era albeit, Henry VIII and we all know what he achieved. To bring it up to date, the Rose War still has effects today both on population and commerce. As an example, the rivalry between Lancashire and Yorkshire is still as strong - just watch a cricket match between the two. From commerce, there are still companies and politicians that will favour one or another, this is obvious on transport links from Lancashire and Yorkshire and today a proposed high speed link was cancelled and a much downgraded version was put in. In summary, both counties dont hate each other, its only rivalry between them but please please know this....THE POWER OF THE ROSE still exists and its symbolic emblem of loyalty...anyone else who wants to meddle in the goings on between Lancashire and Yorkshire will see the white rose of Yorkshire and the Red rose of Lancashire come together again to defeat the adversaries.
One thing that lingered on (at least till I was working in Lancashire in the 1970s) was that Lancastrians had their own version of the loyal toast - the toast was not "The Queen" but "The Queen - Duke of Lancaster". I remember a dinner for a member of the cabinet visiting Lancashire who was asked to give the loyal toast and he stood up, lifted his glass and said "The Queen" - to absolute silence and then, from all those present, "....Duke of Lancaster". Yes, it ought to be Duchess but Lancastrians have their own way of doing things. At that time, by the way, the fast train service from London to Liverpool, which is in Lancashire, was called the "Red Rose".
@@rogerhird2248Yes the Monarch has the title of the Duchy of Lancaster. Because The Crown is gender neutral (being "A Person" rather than "An Individual") it remains as Duke of Lancaster for the title owning. (Basically a number of titles are Vested in The Crown, rather than the individual that is the Monarch , others are in the person, but can expire and be re-granted. I suppose the Duke of Lancaster could be re-granted , but seems unlikely. It is sort of historic pre the Tudors that places like Blackburn were so far away not only from London, but even York (which looked to Northumbria and the Perogrative Court of York in terms of the church of england ( Archbishop of York) . To this day there are churches in Lancashire and Cheshire that chose to come under Lancaster or under Ripon or Similar
When he mentioned the "little ice age" near the beginning. I couldn't help but think....WINTER IS COMING!
Towton was the greatest loss of British lives in a single day of battle until the first day of the Somme Offensive in 1916. The sides had both ordered "no prisoners", and then the weather intervened, because both sides were using mostly archers. It turned out to be a really unpleasant rainy, windy day, but the wind blew in the faces of the Lancastrians, meaning their arrows mostly fell short, while the Yorkists arrows flew further and hit harder. All in all a nasty, bloody, ugly horrible day in which so many soldiers died, which didn't even end the wars. It basically had to wait until there was one man left standing, out of royal family, which was Henry Tydwr (the Tudors were Welsh).
I'm so glad you liked this, I love history and we do have some crazy history it's all so interesting xx
He wasn't called Warwick... Kingmaker for nothing! EDIT - we LOVE your enthusiasm!
Love seeing people excited over history, and totally agree that we need to know it so we don't repeat the mistakes again!
Hi, N & D . . . Yes, we were taught about the Wars of The Roses and also the Slavery issue in history classes back in the olden days - 1960's-1970's . . . when I was at school then. However, as you have just seen on that quick run through yourselves - unless you were an actual history buff back then - or going on to do history at Uni or a college - I wasn't! Then there was no way you would be able to cram so much into your memory and retain it all! Thank heavens anything to do with either of those was never in our tests - as we would likely have maybe only managed to remember 25% of the knowledge in 6 months of revising for one . . . Warwick by the way, as you asked, is usually pronounced as War(r)ick without the middle W but 1-2 R's used instead . . . (It's just the way we do places and their names here in the UK as you will now be very well aware???)
Richard was captured at Flint Castle, then taken to Chester Castle and then taken to Pontefract Castle where he was put on starvation diet and died.
Hey ladies, loved your reactions, thank you! I live in a town that was originally in Yorkshire, but then the boundary was moved in the 70's and it's now in Lancashire! Can't tell you how much bickering goes on about it now! Let's just say people choose which hospital to have their babies in VERY carefully, so you can either say you're a Lancastrian, or you were born in God's own county! (Slight biase at the end there!đ)
Was it not only until comparatively recently that someone born out side Yorkshire could play cricket for the county?
@@lizbignell7813 It was, and that was another reason people would go to the Yorkshire hospital!
You're not in Todmorden are you?
The Earl of Warwick was known as 'The King Maker' his coat of arms was the bear and staff and Warwick castle is a big tourist attraction even today.
Yes the Princes in the Tower are the same one mentioned - Henry Tudor became Henry VII and the Tudor Rose was a combination of the emblems of the two factions as it placed the white rose of York inside the red rose of Lancaster (but the red rose larger and dominant).
Henry VII then embarked on a huge PR Campaign to discredit Richard III (killed at Bosworth) there is evidence paintings of Richard were modified to exagerate his spinal disformity and portray him as an "evil hunchback" and to encourage the rumours that Richard III killed the princes (though to be honest he probably did!)
I've only just come across this particular video. When I was MUCH younger, I went to infants and junior school in the inner city area of Nottingham called the Meadows. The school name was Bosworth School and the badge was the white rose inside the red rose. We were taught the history behind the school badge at age 11, before moving on to our secondary schools The area called the Meadows was in medieval times actual Meadows belonging to the owner of Nottingham Castle, the Duke of Newcastle. Many of the street names reflected this EG, Briar Street, Hawthorn Street, Crocus Street, Kings Meadow Road. The house I was born in was in a terrace called Bosworth Terrace which was on Briar Street.
Great video again girls. I love history. We are so lucky to be surrounded by so much of if it here. â€
Arh, so much detail to this period of history, there is always something else to learn about. I have difficulty keeping all the personalities separated. Good show.
War of the Roses, is one of the most difficult parts of history
So much and many back and fourths
Absolutly mind boggling đ
I learned this in school, but not in so much detail. Iâve always loved history. But I love watching these videos because I always learn so much more. It was a bit fast, but really enjoyable!
There is a great book by Sharon Penman called The Sunne in Splendour about Edward IV and his brother Richard III and their parts in the Wars of the Roses
That 'skipping of the brothers generation' is how succession lines usually work. It goes from the King to his eldest son, then to *his* eldest son. It only goes to someone's brother if they have no sons (or daughters depending on the type of successsion). It's why here in the UK Prince William is King Charles heir even though Charles has 2 brothers and a sister, and why William's children come before Harry.
York is Stark, Lancaster is Lannister, basic inspiracion speaking at least. Baratheon's are inspired by bits of both.
Towton is said to be the bloodiest battle in UK history.
That was Henry the 7th becoming king at the end of the WotR, Henry the 8th (that you recognised) was his son.
Here's a few Videos you might like to react to:
- 'Ten Minute English and British History #16 - The Wars of the Roses' by History Matters
- 'The Real Life Game of Thrones Part 1: Is Great Britain Westeros?' and 'The Real Life Game of Thrones Part 2 The Wars of the Roses' by RealLifeLore
- 'British Monarchs Family Tree | Alfred the Great to Queen Elizabeth II' by UsefulCharts
"They should make this into a TV series." They did, Britain's Bloody Crown.
Another great video girl's. You really are a shinning light x
Anyone here been to Blackpool tower dungeons and done the War of the Roses re-enactment, most of my knowledge before this video came from there
Towton was the biggest battle ever fought in England. Earlier, King Henry Vs French wife remarried a minor Welsh nobleman, a Tudor ... the court though she was put out of the way, but her descendant, Henry Tudor would violently end the War of the Roses. Famously ... officially the two nephews of King Richard II were never found, and his ignominious burial place remained unknown for over 500 years, until it was found, proved to be him, and he got an honorable reburial in a nearby cathedral. All of which can be watched om CZcams, including an archeological analysis of the battle location where he died.
that is why the tudor rose is both red and white. it also shows why Henry VIII was so paranoid about providing a secure succession to the throne.
Yes, our history is pretty much lifted wholesale for Game of Thrones. The Lannisters come from the west of Westeros, the same place Lancashire is in England, and the Starks are pretty much geographically in Yorkshire, with the Scots playing the role of Wildlings. We still have a keen rivalry between Yorkshire and Lancashire to this day, and you will sometimes hear "White Rose" being chanted by Yorkshiremen at sporting events and the like.
Oh and by the way: Lincolnshire. 'Lincoln' as in Abraham Lincoln, then 'Sheer'. There you go.
When Richard the Third was killed in 1485 at the Battle of Bosworth, he was the last English King to be killed in battle. Richard was the last Plantagenet King and Henry the first Tudor King.
I really like that you guys focus on history and parts of the culture that you are interested in, rather than the echo chamber of most American reaction channels copying the same old comedy clips. And I feel like I'm learning something too.
Thank you James! â€ïž
Another amazing video by you two awesome ladies. War of the Roses was a long battle and glad you enjoyed learning about it.
I was in the small town of Woodstock last week, stopped off for a pint in the pub named after The Black Prince, its where he was born in 1330, in 1874 Winston Churchill was also born there. ( the town, not the pub )
Its a beautiful Cotswold town just a few miles south of Warwick, where Warwick's castle still stands in as good a condition as it was 700 years ago.
Shame the same can't be said of Woodstock Palace where the prince was born, that was destroyed in the English civil war and what was left was removed when Blenheim Palace was built, that's where Churchill was born.
The name "War of The Roses" is a Victorian invention.The red rose was one of many badges used by The Lancastrians.
Please check out the story of Richard III and ultimately how his body was found buried in a car park in 2010. He is a most interesting and much maligned King. Best wishes from the Vale of York đŹđ§
Henry V had married Catherine of Valois after the Battle of Agincourt. After his death she remarried a Welsh noble âOwen Tudorâ. Their son âEdmund Tudorâ became the half brother of Henry Vl, who subsequently married the great granddaughter of John of Gaunt, who was a woman âMargaret Beaufortâ with the purest royal lineage. She was only 12 years old, but proved to be a woman of great character and strength, and was both bold and stoic in her relentless pursuit to place the English crown upon her sonâs head âHenry Tudorâ. She was driven by a sense of divine right and destiny. She proved successful in her goal, and the aforementioned Henry was eventually crowned âHenry Vllâ known as the âWinter Kingâ.
For anyone who wants to learn more about English royal history, I recommend Dan Jones' books: The Plantagenents, The Wars of the Roses, and The Magna Carta.
The War of the Roses continues to this day .... but on the Cricket Field between Lancashire County Cricket Club and Yorkshire County Cricket Club. Few people actually die in these encounter though (Joke).
Another great video Ladies, always got the notification on for all your videos.
Thanks so much!
you girls are awesome, your reactions are our culture so sincere. best react channel for sure
great video girls , and seeing natasha get so excited at the tudors , was so great , think that most excited ive seen you in a video , history is such a great thing to learn xx
1. The title âDuke of Lancasterâ has since that time always been held by our ruling Monarch. On the passing of our late Queen Elizabeth that title was automatically passed from her to King Charles.
2. In 2012 Richard lll body was found buried under a Leicester car park where he had been buried in 1485. His body was removed and re-buried in Leicester Cathedral.
This is why Warwick is called âThe Kingmakerâ.
There's an interesting period of history before this known as the anarchy, a power struggle between steven and matilda, very bloody, what's odd is that not many brits have heard of it
An excellent mini series from around 10yrs ago covers The Anarchy, called 'The Pillars of the Earth' based on a novel by Ken Follett. Has many famous names in it including Ian McShane, would recommend 10/10.
@@shadowysea yeah I watched that , very good , had a young eddie redmayne in it
"The wall" in game of thrones was an idea he came up with because of "Hadrians wall" as well. Hich is quite cool I think.
I am very glad you looked at this, because I've always been fascinated by this period. Sometimes like railway
The Wars of the Roses form the background to Shakespeare's Henry VI
GREAT VIDEO I NOW I UNDERSTAND GAME OF THRONES MORE BETTER NOW , BOY THERE WHERE ALOT OF DOUBLE CROSSING AN BACK STABBING , EXCELLENT VIDEO AN LENA HEADEY CERSEI LANNISTER CHARACTER WAS SPOT ON HER PERFORMNCE GRIPPING
Not a historian, but Iâve always found this period interesting. Something that is very glossed over here is how weak Henry Tudorâs claim to the throne was, and how improbable was his victory in battle over Richard III. Henry Tudor was only distantly related to Richard III, and only matrilineally. It gives some sign of how depleted the nobility had become that he was the strongest available on Richardâs death (which he knew beforehand, hence the battle in the first place).
As I said, Henryâs victory in battle was improbable too. He had a much smaller force (5k to 8k vs 7.5k to 12k), but was aided one of Richardâs dukes not responding to a signal from Richard prompting him to make a rash gamble (which then caused a fence sitting army, who were waiting to throw in with whoever looked set to win, to wade in on Henryâs side). On such decisions does history, sometimes, turn.
Henryâs reign was pivotal to both British and world history for a few reasons. Obviously it ended the protracted period of civil war and restabilised the power structures that had been thrown into chaos by the mass dying from the Black Death and famine. More importantly though, he did this by ending feudalism and making the monarchy more autocratic. That shift in power away from the nobility towards a single person arguably made inevitable something like the Parliamentary Civil War that happened 200 years later (which eventually led England to transition to a constitutional monarchy with a bill of rights that subsequently inspired the USâ)
Henry and his son, Henry VIII, were both really good at politics. They had to be to stabilise things. I think this is why theyâve become the archetype for monarchs in manyâs minds in spite of their reigns being substantially more autocratic and despotic than many previous or subsequent monarchs. It also helped that the period saw a lot of art and literature in favour of the ruling house showing the rise of the Tudors as natural and just, including many of Shakespeareâs histories.
The War of the Roses between the Houses of York and Lancaster. It still felt today between the people of Yorkshire and Lancashire, but in a friendly way. It was defining episode in English History and still felt today and we are still seeing the effects of this period of history in what was left behind from architecture, battlefields and history. It shaped a whole Royal Dynasty called the Plantagenets. They ruled 1154 when Henry 11 took the throne to 1484 with Richard 111. The two houses of York and Lancaster were Plantagenets. They have their family heritage from Edward 111.
As someone once pointed out, The Wars of the Roses is where the Royal succession goes haywire.
Love the way you pick out these videos.
Someone mentioned Dan Snow.
He's made a variety of great historical documentaries including a brilliant series on the Royal Navy.
Barnet in Hertfordshire has a massive connection to the war of the Roses. Many roads are named after it. Somerset Rd, York Rd, Warwick Rd, Lancaster Rd, Gloucester Rd, Richmond Rd, and many many more. The Battle of Barnet was a big part of that war. Bosworth field is in Barnet along with Hadley green and woods.
Very quickly, agree with those recommending The White Queen series. Itâs excellent!! Also, King Richard, the child king they all hated and began these Wars, was the inspiration for Joffrey. So that gives you a REAL insight to him!
I love the Wars of the Roses, itâs my favourite historical research topic!!
I love learning more about my Country's history through your videos you react to! i didn't like it at school i thought it was boring now as an adult its much more interesting. The Tudor rose emblem incorporates both roses the red and white which you can still find on some buildings in England.
I covered the Wars of the Roses at school but recently read a series of 4 books charting the whole period which was a real eye opener to me. It also helps to understand why Henry VIII was so obsessed with having male heir to follow him, as he knew what had happened over several decades previously, when there was no clear heir and the country descended in to civil war.
Hi ladies. I come from Coventry. The duel between Thomas Mowbray and Henry Bolingbroke mentioned in the vid, happened in Coventry at a place called Gosford green. Mind you when I say it happened, I should really say it didn't happen because at the moment when the opposing parties where all ready to go, King Richard stopped the show. (What a spoilsport!!!) Think of it like the President stopping the superbowl before the game because he wants to upset both teams and just show how powerful he is. Richard banished both Thomas and Henry, but he punished Henry even more and confiscated a lot of his land virtually leaving his Dad destitute who was incidentally John of Gaunt, Edward III's brother and Richard's Uncle. It's kinda no wonder that a few years later Henry came back with a massive army and deposed Richard. Its all mentioned in Henry IV part one by William Shakespeare. Yes, even Shakespeare couldn't resist coming out with a sequel in his day. I guess if he was alive now he'd probably be working in Hollywood. Great vid as usual. Keep up the great work.
As a Lancastrian supporter at the time, my family (Worthington) lost our lands and title during the war of the Roses.
I know a bit about this, only because a couple of years ago I discovered some direct ancestors - Lord William Bonville (a minor magnate & elderly Yorkist soldier) and Hugh Courtenay (Lancastrian supporter & distant relative of the cousins), who were both beheaded at the battles of St. Albans (2nd) in 1461 and Tewkesbury in '71, respectively.
The moors near my home are what remains of where the war of the roses battles took place thereâs plaques on rocks with little history lessons on them
As you say when at school it gets a little to much, but when your older its more interesting lol. Thank you both for a very quick guide to the war of the roses. GO THE RED ROSE !!!!!!!!!
Yes Ladies, that is the usual pronunciation of "Dynasty" in the UK, we don't sress the "Y" as Americans do, so it comes out as "DINasty"
Hi girls, love your videos. I live about 10 minutes drive from the village of Towton, from which the battle is named. The battle to part on Palm Sunday 1461. More Lancastrian soldiers died trying to escape compared to those that died fighting. They were either trampled to death by their own men or drowned trying to cross the rivers. Many tried to surrender but as the had been an agreement that "no quarter shall be given" they were given no mercy. They were chased into Tadcaster and York, and when found, were executed on the spot. Only Nobles of value were spared.
To this day, it is the bloodiest battle fought on English soil, with an estimated 28,000 dead.
Have you toured the battlefield? Itâs got information boards that tell who was where and when and what transpired at that stage of the battle. Otherwise, itâs now largely given over to agriculture. Itâs worth also visiting the tiny chapel at nearby Lead, the only building still standing in the township of the same name. Undulations in the locale indicate where other buildings, including the Manor House once stood. Itâs thought that the tiny chapel, which predates the Battle of Towton played a role in the immediate aftermath of the battle.
@@ianpark1805 I've been to the battlefield many times and I've sat in the little Chapel quite a few times, then into the Crooked Billet for a spot of lunch. Hard to imagine all slaughter that happened there. The only time I've been somewhere with slaughter on the same scale was on my biannual visits to the Somme.
This is incredibly fast, wow well done for keeping up, you are going to have to do a video on the King's and Queens now xx
For a feud mainly involving men and crowns the real protagonists were the women- Margaret Beaufort ( mother of Henry Tudor and dependent of Edward III of the house of Lancaster) married 4 times Henry was her son from her 2nd marriage to Edmund Earl of Richmond a half Brother to Henry VI.
Margaret of Anjou you know from the video !
Elizabeth Woodville - Queen Consort to Edward IV 1st Married age 15 to Sir John Grey a House Of Lancaster supporter and minor nobleman - he died at the second battle of St Albans . She then married King Edward IV of the House of York and had two sons Henry and Richard ( the Princes in the Tower) and many daughters incl Elizabeth of York .She was the reason Richard Neville ( Earl Warwick) switched sides incl executing her own father Richard Woodville in 1469.
When Richard III seized the crown and her two sons were 'disappeared ' her brother and her other eldest son from her 1st marriage executed in 1483 , Woodville Allied with Margaret Beaufort helping secure alliegencies to help Henry Tudor secure the Crown in 1485. It was her and Henry IV's Daughter Elizabeth of York he married to unite the two houses.
GOT simply has nothing on real history with a plot twice as convoluted!
One thing that people in general do not realise is that confusingly the Wars of the Roses had little to do with Yorkshire and Lancashire fighting one another.
The war was fought between 2 dynasties, the House of York and the House of Lancaster. These houses were created in Norman times when the titles of Duke of York and Duke of Lancaster were first awarded to 2 Norman knights who were given control of land in Yorkshire and Lancashire respectively. By 400 years later, when the Wars of the Roses took place, the geographical association between the Duke of York and Yorkshire had largely disappeared and to a certain extent the same applied to the connection between the House of Lancaster and Lancashire.
In fact the majority of the Lancaster army consisted of troops led by noblemen based both in Lancashire and Yorkshire, plus troops from Wales and the Yorkist army consisted of troops belonging to noblemen based in the south of England and from the English Midlands. The split between the 2 regions lying along the north south divide formed by the courses of the Rivers Trent and Severn. (There were of course exceptions to this with some northerners fighting for York and some southerners for Lancaster, but what I have stated is largely correct).
So in fact the Yorkist army largely consisted of southerners and the Lancastrian army generally consisted of men from Lancashire and Yorkshire!
Just to add to the confusion Lancashire later adopted the red rose as symbol representing Lancashire and equally Yorkshire adopted the white rose.
Things would be much less complicated if the Wars of the Roses had been called something else.
Confused?. Sorry about that.
used to visit the battle of bosworth site when I was younger and the amount of history there is unreal
Ladies, welcome to English History. Many twists and turns and back stabbing. I'm a Yorkshireman, my father was a Yorkshireman, but my mother was from Lancashire.
The Battle of Towton - in the War of the Roses - remains the bloodiest battle ever fought on British Soil. It was unbelievably brutal.
And the bloodiest single-day battle in British history _ever_. More British people died at Towton than on the first day of the Battle of the Somme. (28,000 vs 19,000)