Left Foot VS Right Foot Braking
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- A quick comparison test of Left Foot Braking and Right Foot Braking here at Team O'Neil Rally School. Left foot braking is used to control speed and correct for understeer and oversteer on the street and on a race course. Most modern racing drivers use left foot braking, from rally to F1, NASCAR to road courses and track days.
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He drives like a driver, but he talks like a co-driver... what is this witchcraft?!
XskiXedgeX Wyatt has codriven quite a bit actually, iirc he was bill caswells codriver in some of his rally mexico stints
And codrivers are usually the best at driving, reason for taking notes of the sprint
B-cuz he is the best.
He's an instructor. That job requires the skillsets of both a driver and a co-driver.
It's Sammy when he drives alone
I remember when I accidentally did left foot braking on my driving test and the instructor reacted in a way that seemed like he just saw me kick a kitten to death.
A very long time ago I did my driving test left foot braking, I passed but there was disgust on her face when she saw it.:D
me too! my instructor had a horrible face when I was actually used to that technique from driving karts!
That happens when car normies are learning people to drive
Sometimes I like to remove my right foot all together and just use my left
doubleutubefan5 ... and what would the use of that be ?
Im watching this so that I can get better times on Dirt Rally
John Mac same.
@@zachiga Same here)
same shit ) but i ride RBR mostly
@@CBD47 Респект таким пацанам!)
Me 2 on Dirt 4 lol :))
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Thought for a second that I had scratch my display because of your avatar :D
...I just thought there was a pube on my screen.
...tried wiping it.
LOL!
so many "keyboard pros" trying to find error by stating that he did not heel toe/rev match. For god sake, Heel toe is a technique to rev match, no heel toe doesnt mean no rev match. If the speed of the car at the lower gear matches the engine speed, heel toe-ing the rpm higher will only kick the car forward. Due to the super low traction conditions, the car decreases to a very slow speed where rpm blipping is not needed. I think a skillful driver like him surely knows what is and how to do a heel toe rev match downshifting.
@@PickleForkRally thats what i get too, and in such harsh track. I only see heel toe in paviment or dry land, not in snow, grass or anything slipery, and you don't have that much speed.
@@jacobitosuperstar also he barely has any grip,already spinning tires which the heel and toe could worsen.too much wheel spin means losing traction.
@@ronanstark6218 yeah , that would be like a clutch kick sort of
Learning to left foot brake changed my life. My commute has some good twisty roads and a reasonable stretch of dirt/gravel road that I need to navigate. Before I started left foot braking it felt sketchy and uneasy, but since I learned to left foot brake I feel like I have far more control over the car. I even catch myself using it all over now, not just on the dirt.
Bet you catch yourself having to replace your break pads and discs a lot more often as well loool
"downhill full throttle, very slippery you know, very dangerous" how on earth is he so casual about it lmao
I was driving on an empty road this morning and was wondering what it would be like to use the brake with your left foot. Mind you, I was not intending to use break and throttle at the same time, just to gently slow down using my left foot. The moment I pressed the brake, at least in my perception, the car suddenly decelerated and came to almost full stop. Items that weren't fixed flew forward. There was no damage to me or the car whatsoever but it would create a dangerous situation if someone was driving behind me.
Lesson learned! Seems that due to years of practice my right foot has developed much finer sensibility for the break pedal than my left one. I won't be trying this again unless on a designated track.
So, yeah... I decided I should share this with you, lads. Take care and stay safe.
Well, yes, apparently this happens to people who tries to use left foot to brake all the time. But if you try it often enough, it will feel as natural as right foot.
So yeah, keep trying it out on an empty road, you'll be just fine.
Our right foot has learned to dig the heel firmly against the floor.
Our left foot hasn’t learned that - so we end up throwing the weight of the entire left leg into the brake pedal, is what happened.
The left heel needs to anchor itself, and then modulate the brake pedal using the left foot’s rotation from the ankle.
That and: seems you learned just how hard you can brake without worrying about losing traction. 😅
Im guessing you have a newer car too. they have a VERY sensitive pedals compare to rally brakes (or older car like his sub) that you can basically smash to get to only 50% braking
If you are still trying this at home, keep in mind your left foot (especially for manual drivers) is not accustomed to much sensitivity so some of you might be flying through the windshield the first time...
Honestly... he didn't mention this in the video lol how many people you reckon actually slammed on hard mimicking this technique
@@faasfas1847 I have to make this adjustment every winter lmao.
Yes! And then people complain it doesn't work, when really they just need to practice it a bit more
One thing not mentioned here is that lfb also helps keep the boost on. Boost comes on quicker when you don’t go from full vacuum (off throttle) to full throttle (like when you rfb).
Oh yeah didn't realise that
I watched this video earlier this year and immediately began practicing this. I hit some forest and mountain dirt roads and kept working on it until fairly comfortable. Great technique for weight transfer and reaction time. Well this absolutely just saved my ass and my beloved 2003 Bugeye. I live a couple miles up a tight dirt mountain road and we recently got hit with freezing rain then almost a foot of snow. First drop off the paved road onto ours is a quick 6 story drop with a slightly more than 90° right turn right after, short left then narrow right over a crest. As I crept over the first big decend I noticed that even with very light tail braking my tires were already trying to lock and I was gaining speed while on the brakes... not good. In the middle of the plus 90 turn is a deep ditch and a tree line. I applied light throttle to get the tires turning then left foot braked to transfer weight. The car immediately began to rotate then I grabbed some throttle to further rotate the car while keeping me out of the trees. I drifted easily around the decreasing radius turn, let off the throttle momentarily while steering into the turn to get the car to rotate for the short left, left foot braked to once again transfer weight to the outside and initiate my turn, tapped the brakes again with my left foot to further rotate the car then quickly back on the gas for the short right over the crest. My little girl was screaming with laughter... meanwhile I was absolutely puckered up because this could have been very bad. Thankfully your great instructional videos with a fair amount of seat time to practice absolutely saved us. Thank you so much for this great content that is so very useful even in normal day to day driving when all I'm trying to do is get home! You guys rock!!
You da real MVP. Your videos are so explanatory. It's great.
Show this video to everyone who insists on wearing Piloti driving shoes.
Driving shoes are the same thing as gaming glasses. (Yes they exist).
BestRide Most rally drivers I’ve actually seen who aren’t “professional” wear either Vans or Converse. Rather odd choice, but I suppose if it works go for it.
@@ancientapparition1638 I wear gaming glasses and they really reduce eye strain by removing blue light.
idk if you're concerned about blue light that can be altered using software
@@ancientapparition1638 the monitor will still emit it from the back light (if its a backlit monitor) and the lights in your house also emit blue light it's easier to just wear the glasses, and they were only $15. The real scam are the "gaming glasses" that cost $90.
wtf this guys good af
I don't see these shoes in the Sparco catalog, what model are they?
i don't know anything about cars or racing so you're probably making a joke that's going over my head (i have no clue how i got here but i've been watching rally videos for 20 minutes) but those look like Asolo TPS hiking boots. That's all i have to contribute here so I'm sharing my irrelevant knowledge.
Asolo's are some of the finest boots made. Sparco makes racing gear (shoes, gloves, onezies, steering wheels, shit knobs, &c...)
Steel toe cap special racing edition
@@deanmoncaster Steel toe caps are necessary when "dropping" the clutch....
Gucci flip flops
I used to watch these videos a lot. Now that I've built a sim I can start applying some of this knowledge. This is fascinating stuff. What I've noticed is right foot only does give you that one arm tied feeling. Left foot braking is objectively more beneficial but it's easy to over do it. Practice makes permanent so I've gotta focus on not over doing the brakes.
This is the video I've been waiting for. Thank you and keep up the great work!
I have been driving with both feet for 60 years and it has saved me many times. I can't tell you how much faster you can brake with your left foot than trying to move your right foot over to the brake. I can't thin of any other way to drive!
I just grew up using manual transmissions where I always used my right foot for both braking and throttle. After I became a more skilled driver I was able to use my right foot effortlessly and without thinking to simultaneously brake and apply throttle. When I got my Porsche years ago, and now with my Nissan 370Z ,I've been able to refine this further to where I do heel and toe braking and rev matching naturally.
Nice racing shoes :)
your coordination is amazing!
In my country there is some serious dangerous street driving so i have to be improving and learning to keep my family safe and getting out of trouble, plus getting to my errands on time. Left foot braking has helped
Me to dominate the street imposing my will, taking advantage from even the most temerary drivers. It gives me competitive advantage taming the aggressive driving that we experience here in the Dominican Republic. Also it makes me take advantage of every opportunity that rises in the daily
Driving. So yes, it is a tool that had improved my safety and performance in daily driving!
I'm amazed how you can be driving so quickly and so smoothly, yet speaking so eloquently and calmly to the camera at the same time!
Couple questions though, how applicable is LFBing on tarmac, and especially on track? Especially since on tarmac you generally want to minimise weight transfer as much as possible, or at least keep it smooth (hence I found your dab of brake at 4:33 most relevant). Also, could you comment on the effectiveness of LFBing as a form of rudimentary traction control when exiting slow corners on FWD and RWD (NA and turbo) cars?
I experimented with LFBing when I went to a trackday with my dad's minivan, so any pointers or advice would be much appreciated! czcams.com/video/v59WDGxVVoo/video.html
JLML92 ive even done so with bald tires and cord showing lols..not recommended tho
I expect there whould be much more concrete longer accelerating and braking therefore more downshifting because there is more grip. So braking late is most important as you can stay on the throttle the longest. So you want to brake late and your left foot is required for the clutch since you don't want to start your downshift earlier thereby lifting off the throttle earlier. Less useful but still sometimes useful, if you train yourself enough.
What you want to do is trail brake. Maybe not left foot brake mid corner, as you shouldn't be needing any more angle if you held a correct line. But if you are sliding, and losing traction as if you were doing a rally stage on tarmac then yes you should LFB. LFB not only transfers weight it also reduces wheel spin and allows for more traction.
Slavko Gelo just learn to heal-toe
I never understood how rally drivers had so much control at high speed on snow, eye opener
I used to left foot brake when I had a car with a twin clutch gearbox and it definitely helped. Now that I’m back to a manual I do struggle to modulate the different pedal pressure used between clutch and brakes.
Excellent video & demo. I'll take more control any day.
NvTwist more control IF you master the technique. Otherwise it's the opposite ;)
Hey I just want to let you guys know I've watched all of your videos a lot over and over this year I'm going to the Southern Ohio Forest rally I maybe co-driving a car based purely on what I've learned off of you and some other stuff online but just unbelievable thank you so much and God bless
this dude ... this dudes something :) driving that awesome and explaining every single step in the same time well... thats amazing ... dude was born to teach that art
Excellent video and explanations for all aficionados of rally. But amateur folks who drive manuals should not use left foot braking! Perhaps, I'm wrong. Deep inside I feel like we should just educate people and civil school instructors 'cause left foot braking could have prevented a lot of standard accidents when people hit the front car into the rear. I don't understand people voting down or complaining that the measurement wasn't precise. It was just a very rough illustration. It was also an H-manual gear shift, not a sequential manual. So what? This is a very good instructive video.
That difference... And your second run was no where as clean. If you did a few back to back both ways I'm pretty sure the difference would increase.
Second run was sloppy, but sloppy typically means slower, and yet the sloppy second run was faster than the neater first run. I feel that says a lot as it is.
Though the tiny scientist in me does desire multiple runs anyway. Larger sample size and all that.
It's a beautiful piece of driving! Like ballet! So smooth! You make it look easy :)
Its insane, your drive is soo fast ans smooth and your talking is verd calm and easy to understand, BIG PROBS!
What talent to drive like that and to speak that much. Amazing video! more like this would be great
Hats off. Fantastic driving!
Godlike driving, truly amazing and mesmerizing
Biggest problem I had was the VA WRX driving position is too high for left foot braking. Switched to a Sparco R333 seat to lower the seating position, now I can start to practice left foot braking.
Leaving aside the multitasking, what an excellent driver. Very smooth. The LFB was a bit harsh but otherwise pretty good.
Imprezzive xD
Very helpful! Will try this on Dirt Rally, when I get my G27 back to work with both the pedals simultaneously.
I was actually trying to learn left foot breaking on my regular daily commute and was wondering how much it worth learning. Thanks!!
The fact that he’s “trying out right foot braking.” What a g
Great driving! The studded tires definitely help!!
lol
Great video!! You instructor guy, whats Your name ? Very well done, i like it a lot!
Cheers from Poland
Great videos! The clarification and break downs are on point. Thanks a lot.
Great driving! Many of us tall drivers like myself use both feet by default because our knees hit the dashboard and steering wheel in many vehicles, thus preventing us from fully depressing the brake. lol
Nice video man.
Great controll of vehicle.
That's some nice driving!
That was some damn smooth driving man, props.
Great and informative video mate, so you are using the break with left foot while at same time using gas pedal to have a better weight control of the car and still keep up decent acceleration? I really have to learn that :)
I am a sprint and endurance racer. 1 second every lap is 14-45 seconds faster in a race. 1 second is a lot of time in sports.
Beautiful driving.
Stunning, absolutely stunning
Wow, those downhills would sketch me out not using any left foot. I was a little uneasy watching. Nice job Wyatt, great video!
SHUT UP RYAN
Officer Klapman... we meet on the Tubes ;)
So true I have better luck using both feet for breaking more control absolutely this video was explained very well! Bravo🤞🏻👏🏼
I saw you on Junkyard Empire when the guys from that show came over and took a course with you.
Living in the wilderness of Norway, I definitely need this to get to my job in wintertime :D (just kidding - but I love to drive my Quattro on these winter-roads)
Jesus. Your driving is smooth as silk.
wow! Came here looking for some sim racing tips. This video had my heart racing. Amazing and scary as hell.
I always use a left foot breaking in my dsg 😀👍
Why have I never seen you race? You are definitely a good driver and could def be in top 10 in rally america (especially that the big guns stopped playing for now).
I practice left foot driving, but then I have an automatic. I really wish they made a dedicated (Automatic Trans) Throttle value pedal in place of the (Manual Trans) clutch pedal to actively change shift points. It used to be easy to do this on throttle cable trans links but now that everything seems to be drive by wire controls to the trans and throttle position - - it just makes things harder. You'll be surprised how much funner cornering is when you can actively play with the shift points on an auto. Not necessarily better but it feels better.
this is so cool man!
Awesome video thanks bro
The nice thing about living in Montana is that i can go out my back yard and try this around.
Definitely makes me feel in control with left foot braking,rather than right foot ,right foot is good but while I 'm pushing the car , left foot braking makes me more confident can't explain but it's more suitable with obviously more experience of left foot
Guy knows how to drive!
great video thanks and great driving as well thanks wyatt and TeamOneilRally for another great video and you can tell your not on studds by how you were driving studds you would have shaved a second or three atleast im guessing maybe that might be a video worth doing for us since im not sure whats faster in snow arent studs more for ice r do the have anyadvantage in just snow ?
Lovely to watch
understanding channel offering softly diamond capacity inside field.
Wow nice driving!
left foot breaking does wonders in executive protection driving as well
I only know that two-footing an automatic cuts vital time off my stopping distance. And make faster snap turns in narrow city cross streets. And that using just the right foot can and will cause "pedal confusion" in at least one make of car, where the pedals are set up poorly and the ecu allows both gas and throttle to be applied at the same time.
In a stick? I just try to never use that center pedal.
Most impressive part by far is doing all of this in snow boots.
How fun
Respek! Rally drivers sure know their shit.
Forget the left foot braking..anyone can do literally do it..its your driving that is hell fascinating..
Don't know why i use left foot braking on automatic car. But use right foot braking on manual car
Awesome video. Out of curiosity, due to my extremely myopic view of rally driving, is there a reason you weren't revmatching/heel toeing on downshifts? Was engine speed low enough for it not to matter or would that have upset the balance of the car over steering in some of the corners?
Heel toeing is easy when you push brake pedal hard, on dry tarmac for example. But on very slippery surface, when you press brake pedal very little - heel toeing is very difficult and unnecessary.
So this is because you don't have enough grip to need the higher rev range?
1) In this case rev matching is used while braking, to prevent wheels from locking up and sliding
2) The slower you go - the more grip you have
3) If you brake from high speed and you lockup wheels - you will have significant increase in braking distance and less control
4) If you brake from low speed and you lockup wheels - you will have slight increase (or no increase) in braking distance, so it is not so important
5) It is easier to lockup wheels by downshifting (when releasing clutch pedal, after moving shifter to lower gear) while braking from high speed, thаn while braking from low speed
I hope my english is not very terrible
Oh ya, just wondered why he didn't downshift further to stay higher in the rev range (where he would have wanted to rev match). I'm guessing there wasn't enough grip to justify a lower gear coming out of those corners, and second gear already provided enough torque.
I think you right) Second gear is enough
DAMN son, this is real life dirt rally except one mistake you're into the trees and it cost $$ and you can hurt your ass big time...respect!
This is oddly satisfying to watch in 2x speed for me...
Bummer i live in LA and no dirt roads or snow here but i still prefer left foot braking
I own a fwd focus st and i come out of work late at night no traffic or people walking outside
And When its raining and slippery its alot of fun just have to double check for people and time my skids
I'm still confused using the brake and gas interchangeably to increase handling. So is it OK to press them at the same time? I guess your not trying to but, if your foot is coming off the gas and on the brake alttile overlap is fine?
He’s really good at this game
I've noticed left foot braking on boost is awful do to the master having no vacuum to power the brakes. Ive been thinking of doing a vacuum cannister like they used to on old muscle cars with big cams. Im hoping it will hold enough vaccum for the one or two times id need to use the brakes on boost in a corner.
We often delete the vacuum brakes completely and just replace the brake master cylinder, that's always an option too... a master cylinder that has a smaller bore but longer travel will make the pedal easy enough to push and have a nice progressive feel. The nice thing then is that the pedal ALWAYS feels the same regardless of throttle position.
@@Teamoneilrally what do you replace the master with? One from another Subaru or a custom brake and pedal setup?
I gotta try left foot braking, it sounds ideal, but takes some getting used to.
I noticed you left foot braked through one slowish corner, I guess because you didn't need to downshift. how do you keep from stalling the engine, especially on such a slippery surface? or does the engine just pick back up when you ease off the brake some?
The only thing i don't like about this video is that the time difference was 0.17 seconds between the two runs shown. Which is obviously no where near 1 second. I appreciate the video and i know you're right about left foot braking because professionals across all 4 wheeled motorsport disciplines use left foot braking. I don't like being lied to and would have preferred a reason to why the two times are so similar. Eg. You over cooked a turn found at x time in the video.
definite immediate sub
With right foot braking do you move your whole leg at transition between gas and brakes pedals or do you mid position and move the ankle only?
Idk, muscle memory is a thing. If the driver is used to right foot breaking, they may be slower on left foot breaking even if left foot breaking is faster on paper and vice versa. There will be more cognitive load and delay as they have to adjust their drive style.
Not that I know that I'm talking about in terms of which is actually better "on paper". I'm just pointing out that the test isn't really controlled enough to confidently claim one or the other is better.
More options may be good but it also means more cognitive load and neural network complexity.
My concern is that the cognitive complexity of having to handle breaking and clutching with your left foot may produce slower pathways and may occasionally lead to errors/crossed input..etc. Like learning to ride a bike where the steering is inverted every other day. You may eventually be able to compensate for it, but you're more likely to occasionally fire the wrong action, and every time you have to issue a turn command to your muscles, you have to take a few extra milliseconds to check that input. Neural networks like consistency. They don't do conditional Boolean logic well. They like it when a given input always fires the same output. A simple input output mapping requires 2 neurons for input output, 'if slowing, apply right foot to break'. Multi dimensional conditional input for this case requires inputs for all the criteria that goes into deciding whether to left for or right foot break, and then an array of imperfect weighted guessing layers to reduce those inputs to a binary "left or right foot" breaking output, and then the output to action that with the appropriate foot. it will take a lot more training to wire in this system into your brain, and even when it's fully trained, it may not be 100% perfect in selecting the right output for a given set of inputs, and it will be slower.
In other words, even if right foot only breaking is slower on paper, it may be faster in practice to someone who has enough driving time in exclusively that style.
Just a theory though.
On the other hand if the 10 milliseconds in brain compute time is outweighed by 100-200 milliseconds in physical response time then...
Awesome!
I have never understood the pedal nazis: the ones who tell you never to use your left foot on the brake pedal. Maybe this is OK when instructing inexperienced student drivers but to me it has always seemed an arbitrary rule. Kind of like those nuns in elementary school who would rap the knuckles of children who were writing with their left hands as though being left handed was a sin.
I heel and toe, double-clutch, and left foot brake pretty much without thinking about it anymore. The the only thing that worries me is that I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT IT ANYMORE. It's the lack of thought that worries me, not my "Bad Habits" as some driving instructors would label it. The consensus of the "experts" is that a left foot braker might accidentally step on the gas with the right foot while the left foot applies the brakes causing their 1984 Audi 5000 to unintentionally accelerate. I rarely left foot brake in my manual transmission cars but often do in my cars with automatic transmissions. I'm not saying I am right, but it works for me.
Need to do that test on streets and highway for normal driving conditions. NOT A GOOD TEST FOR NORMAL DRIVING.
You are a Great driver/pilot . A WRC levem. Amazing •™D• A PORTUGAL 💯🏁👊👍
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damn that subaru is a monster :D
How can you avoid understeer? I went rallying with 2 Friends in a rwd Drive Car on gravel. it has a welded diff, which causes a Lot of understeer. My friends did much better than me though. Any tips? I tried a pendulum entry, but i dont really know when to hit the brakes... Accelerating mid corner often caused understeer aswell
That makes sense to use 2 feet.My only fear is, if I alternatively press accelerator and brake, will a time come when not me, but the system would fail. Meaning I press accelerator then brake then both then accelerator then again brake.
Oh gosh! The brake ain't stopping the car. Lift your feet and press again....Imagine that scenario. Will it happen?
Do reply
Thanks for the video! maybe the hardest part is to get comfortable braking with the left foot.. any tips for acquiring enough muscle memory to execute it as second nature like RFB?
***** Thanks!
TeamONeilRally Good point. I'll pay attention to that next time I try LFB in the car. Seems to do ok in a kart, but it's like an on/off switch when I try it in a car.
Depends on what you're driving.. If you're in a flappy paddle car, left foot.. If you're in something with a gearbox, you can't
Throttle managment is paramount.