11.0 is a METZEN Expansion! His New WoW Role Is Much BIGGER Than We Thought...
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2023
- World of Warcraft Dragonflight patch 10.1.7 Fury Incarnate is getting ready to launch and take us into the next chapter of what is so far a fantastic expansion. but Taliesin reports on how Chris Metzen's Creative Advisor role on the WoW team is apparently much bigger than we all first thought. Join us for that, the Kalimdor Cup and the latest from the 10.1.7 PTR
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see any kul tiran paladins in your crystal ball? or thicc chungus stormwind bodies?
Metzen is, among other things, a DM that loves telling stories. And as you grow as a DM, you learn that better than just bringing YOUR story to life, is taking the stories that everyone at the table wants to tell and weaving them together into YOUR WORLD. I don’t see him coming back to only tell his own story, he’s done that already. If Tali’s rumors are true and he’s working this closely with the team, then that’s a reason to get very excited indeed.
And honestly, we all knew it would either be him leading something totally new in the Warcraft universe, or exactly this.
Man I love the Baldurs Gate 3 OST so much it's just such a chill vibe, a good choice for the intro muisc. I'm really excited for the Future of WoW, let's see what the team has been cooking. Blizzcon is going to be hype! :D
Blizzcon has not been the same without Metzen striding out on the stage getting the crowd fired up. I’m beyond thrilled to see him return the the stage where he belongs! His passion is infectious!
I do miss Metzen's coked-out blizzcon presentations. They are much more exciting and full of energy
Blizzcon has not been the same without Metzen striding out on the stage getting the crowd fired up. I’m beyond thrilled to see him return the the stage where he belongs! His passion is infectious!
Blizzcon has not been the same without Metzen striding out on the stage getting the crowd fired up. I’m beyond thrilled to see him return the the stage where he belongs! His passion is infectious!
@@NICO-mr4ll Why did you copy my comment?
@@dreadbull5039 cuz they find it to be some harmless funny fun
Of course it’s ok to love Chris Metzen.
Also, I worked directly with top brass at multiple international companies - doesn’t mean I keep up with their personal life.
(or even hang with them outside of work)
*Chris even said exactly the same in the quotes you shared)
About writing content…look at George Martin (to start with)…
Also, you’re apparently loving some Baldur’s Gate 3…
(it gets kinda furry there- and we aren’t even going to mention the 50 shades guy.) 😜
So, again, yes…we can love Chris (wasn’t even a question)
The BG3 music caught me extremely off guard and made me inexplicably emotional, the power that game holds over me...
Was that the first 90 sec??
recognized it immediately haha
If you catalyst them first, you get both normal and heroic tier transmogs when you upgrade.
I prefer taking lfr level to normal for those 2 tier mogs then catalyst mythic plus gear into heroic tier that upgrades to mythic mog. You only need 2 pieces of gear for each slot to cover all 4 tiers.
Veteran 4/8 = LFR Hero 4/5 = Heroic
Veteran 5/8 = Normal Hero 5/5 = Mythic
You can get Catalyst-able Veteran gear from the first weekly Time Rift, Suffusion Camp: Secured Chest & Proto-Drake Boss.
You can get Catalyst-able Hero gear from M+17-20, and from Dawn of the Infinite Mega-Dungeon.
There are other sources (the raid obviously) but these are the easiest ways to get them without needing to set time aside for a raid.
I didn't think about this until now but a Rafaam model was datamined way long ago and the mystery is about stealing artifacts. He could show up here.
My guess is that Metzen has been building out Classic+
That makes it a clear separation between Metzen and Danuser at least.
That would be so incredible
I hope not, classic is bad
I would only be interested if the next classic expansion was “what if the cataclysm never happened?” That would put the game plot on a totally different course and mean some expansions would be very different or might never happen in that timeline (WoD likely never happen, Pandaria and Legion would be very different, etc). I don’t know if it would be good, but it would be interesting.
Yeah I would love to see classic become a proper WoW 2 and go with a slightly different timeline, even though that would be confusing as fuck in the lore though the recent modern xpacs I wouldn't mind being retconned@@Queldonus
@Gimil38 people play it because of nostalgia
Isn't that a little soon? Metzen didn't come back that long ago and they've been working on the expansion well before he came back.
His return was announced December 15, 2022. I'm not sure if he had already been there for some time at that point, but that's what we know. That's a few weeks after Dragonflight launched.
Typically, expansions enter full production roughly when the previous one launches. I'd say 11.0 had been in pre-production for a while before Chris returned, but he has likely been able to have a large amount of influence.
Well he's been back for 9 months now and the best expansion is still at least 13 months away. So yeah. He joined late into the planning stage but not so late that things couldn't be changed.
@Gimil38 meant next. Auto correct on phone
That Baldur's Gate music haunts my dreams❤
by the river the river the river the river down by the river the river the river
Metzen represents the passion, joy and hype this game and community needs!
Was he the one, that according to rumors, happened to be the only Alliance player on the team?
i agree chris is the heart of azeroth
The fact that you can hear Baldur's Gate 3 soundtrack everywhere now brings so much joy to my heart.
heritage quests have always revolved around central zones of individual races. I hope in Herritege Night Elves we will return to Ashenvale and Darkshore. rebuilding and strengthening these zones against future threats. This is what Night elves needs the most right now
It's likely that's what we'll be doing based on the other heritage quests and the datamined quest names. We might also address Sira Moonwarden and the risen night elves.
Bruh.
@@stepanpytlik4021 yep, this aged very poorly
My enthusiasm and excitement was dashed as soon as Danuser's name was mentioned in the creative process.
Love the picture of Nigel Mansell with a Liverpool logo next to him, as you spoke about Ian Rush :D
Never forget, next year is 20 years of wow... The expansion that will be released should be THE Expansion. :D
Seeing Metzen on stage fills me with more life than I know what to do with
Same literally xD
Gotta admire the passion Metzen has. I know he loves the franchise and certainly Blizzard as a whole but I'm going to be real, I don't know if having Metzen back even in a large role is going to sway public opinion that only gets worse as time goes on in a sustained manner. I want to be proven wrong, but Blizzard is just not the same beast it used to be. If the CEO/President/Copresident/hall monitor of Blizzard can't assert itself against those higher than it, what luck does Metzen have to get what _needs_ to get done actually done?
No there are bigger problems like M+ destroying multiple parts of game play from being the only way to the best gear level and destroying any spec that shows any amount of doing well in them.
Metzen is story, not gameplay, right?
I don't think he has much say in the actual development of the systems of the game that make the game good or bad to play. He leads the story.
I'm not much younger than Metzen & have simply accepted that fans petulantly hate things doing what they're supposed to do (like militaristic fantasy putting characters/races/factions through terrible events) and gamers are the worst about this. Can't help it, gamer neurochemistry is messed up. It can't be fixed, just need to keep the miserable fks subscribing.
@@camsmyth101 m+ is the reason why wow is still going. cope
@@serendip1tyz The issue is the fact that if you expect to be pushing keys past +20, you have all of maybe 6 specs that are used. That's not good for the game no matter how hard you try to convince yourself that M+ is why the game still even exists. As it stands, M+ is the only endgame content that will allow you to obtain the best gear. Pushing M+ to obtain that gear is locked behind playing a Fire Mage or Unholy DK, a Guardian Druid, a Holy Paladin, a Shadow Priest, or an Augmentation Evoker. If you are not playing one of these 6 specs, chances are you're not going to time a high key and get the loot you want, even if you're running with a group of friends or a guild instead of trying to PUG it. Its fucking atrocious that the game has 13 classes and like 38 specializations, and out of all of those you have six classes and six specs that are capable of pushing high M+ for gear.
I wouldn't be surprised if Metzen was working on Classic+
Classic+ is PURE hopium... they don't have the talent in the building to do something like that anymore.
FULL STOP
@@conanmcclanahan1069 They don't have the talent to add content to a 20+ year-old game? I'm not intentionally shitting on your comment but I think it's a bad take. They have plenty of talented people working there.
I don't take it as shitting on my comment what-so-ever... this company is proving it's ineptitude every-single-release for the last 2-3* years.
Every IP has lost users.
(Classic Wrath may be the first time World of Warcraft as a section has had 10+ million players in more than ~9 years {Warlords of Draenor} peaking well above Legion!)
Every IP has infuriated it's fanbase.
(Classic added boosts, mounts, and the token within a year of each expansions launch {so curious why they didn't do it on launch, hmmmmmmmm...})
And NEW IP's are used as case-study for what NOT to do to retain player engagement.
(Literally every IP in the last 6 years, which they have forced nearly all into live-service-industry games, loses more than 50% of it's players within the first month, WITHIN the ->1st month!)
One of their newest games is referred to as Warcraft 3: REFUNDED! Their NEWEST game is referred to as Diablo: IMMORAL and is literally a test for exactly how far a company can milk it's whales and cash in on it's "integrity" with things like dark-patterns, gacha mechanics, and loot boxes with varying price degrees. (9000% BONUS)
And Diablo 4 (based on their own corporate investor call numbers) LOST MORE PLAYERS THAN PURCHASED PRE-ORDERS!! Meaning they very likely LOST MONEY in the 1st quarter of Diablo 4!!!!
I can, if necessary, continue to flesh out every one of these points, but they should speak for themselves quite vibrantly.
Thanks
@@davidrogers6987
@@conanmcclanahan1069 I think you may have misworded your initial message or I misinterpreted, but your initial comment as I understood was that there are not enough talented individuals to work on adding new content to a 20-year-old version of the game. I disagree with that statement. There are plenty of capable and talented individuals working for Blizzard who could pull that off.
From your most recent comment, you're discussing failures from a business standpoint. The outlier here is of course the Warcraft 3 Remaster which failed due to various reasons. Beyond that, technically speaking - all the games were released in a relatively good quality state. I'm not defending shady business practices and anti-consumer practices nor was that even what I was speaking to.
To further my initial point, "they" being Blizzard and specifically WoW have been more responsive to player criticisms & tighter content releases. WoW Classic Hardcore is a thing that they made official as they saw it was a big hit with consumers. Consumers have also been requesting Wow Classic + since Classic was released. When Classic releases new content, players respond well. Cataclysm took a large hit in subscriptions which was already bleeding from the end of WOTLK. There have been surveys about whether they should move forward with that expansion or do something else. I believe, with this information, chances are fair that they have pivoted resources to Classic + in some fashion rather than Cata Classic.
Regardless, there are resources(dedicated team members) here that must be applied somewhere and that is what makes the most sense, at least to me.
Cheers
I'd rather be pessimistic about what Metzen can do then find out otherwise than being optimistic and get disappointed.
The day I hear Chris Metzen say "PLAYER HOUSING" with that booming voice of his as he swaggers himself onto the stage at Blizzcon, I will literally shit myself in joy.
We need our Warchief back ❤
"Heroes of the Alliance! Warriors of the Horde! Where you at?!
It is good to be back!
14 years ago I stood on this stage and announced Cataclysm.
Tonight... the world of Azeroth changes once more. Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms will never be the same. But this time, it won't be through their destruction, but their Renewal.
I give you: World of Warcraft: AWAKENING!"
Only thing I disagree on is wow not being in need of re-invention. While DF has done a lot of things well, the game also feels extremely stagnant. We need an expansion with similar level of innovation that Legion had to refresh & revitalize the game so players come back. Legion was also the last time wow saw a surge of new players get into the game, wow desperately needs to attract new players.
ngl but without m+ invented back in Legion i think wow would be dead by right now. for so so so many players m+ is the only thing that keeps them playing wow. me included. if FF14 would have m+ i would instant leave wow for FF. so yes, wow needs to be updated. we live in 2023 and not in 2006 anymore. other mmo/rpg has so many good stuff wow could learn from
@@charli4815and yet we all play wow since its still the best mmorpg by a mile
No, we don need any binbingwaho crazy new systems and shenanigans. A good grounded Game is the way to go as we have in DF. DF attracted more new players than most expacs did bc it didnt overload them with so much shite.
@@1Forn61 but how many of these "new players" still playing? and no we all dont play it still. the playerbase is slowly shrinking. its fact. yes there are still enough. but this is always the excuse for the "wow is not dead" argument. its not yet dead. but its getting there. the whole mmo genre in general is dying. other fast pase games get more and more played by new generations. while mmo dont get new players = dying, other games AND smartphone games gainn more and more players. it's all facts
We don’t need a hype based rush of players flooding in. That’s shadowlands. Hype, big launch with huge preorders, then player count fell off a cliff. We need regular content, constant improvements as well as big features for each expansion, and an overhaul to the new player experience. That, plus better communication to make sure problems are heard and addressed, will let the game grow slowly but steadily.
We have the foundations for that in what has been done in DF. If they continue to make good decisions, then DF will be seen as the beginning of the new era of WoW. We’ll have to see if that happens.
You know it's really funny having a video about Metzen with BG3 music in the background, considering how much of Warcraft is straight out of his Faerun-based D&D campaigns.
Random thing, but the soft piano melody at the beginning of the video was beautiful
Metzen will probably get a 5 min standing ovation when he gets on stage
The BG3 music choice is the best part of the video!
oh wow I had no idea your were streaming baldurs gate 3! it is the best game Ive played in maybe a decade. def gonna check out your streams now!!!
Can't shake the feeling that the secret event will culminate in the 10.2 reveal. The fact that it's not a regular event, and that it may reappear in the future eventually for a different subject, they may try to capitalize on the speculation for the next patch with this
Having an in-game content reveal would actually be a really fun way to announce stuff.
My takeaways: 1. T&E had a 3rd child and they revealed it as a throwaway joke 2. Evitel is such a bawss, her womb's cooldown is below 9 months
Tali my man love your vids always have, gonna have to say that the lights are hittin you pretty dang hard in this vid. Might want to consider a layer of foundation to eat up some of the glare.
When they brough Metzen back, I had two thoughts. 1 he was there to expand the warcraft IP, maybe a new movie or other project. My other thought was that he might be needed for "rework" for the old zone. I mean he was a big part of the cata rewamp.
But tbh, I don't think it is timely possible for 11.0, I thought the earliest for rewamp, will me 12.0.
Metzen back for the 20 year anniversary of Wow (in 2024) and the potential rework of azeroth makes a lot of sense.
I'm tingling with excitement at just the thought of Chris revealing the next expansion at Blizzcon. There is no greater hype-man alive today.
Looking forward to Chris's work on wow. Yes!
I can imagine the Chris metzen WOW expac reveal this year will be explosive as the reveal of Classic Wow servers! I still remember the shivers watching the chromie trailer😢😊
I honestly thought Chris Metzan was doing basically what you described, I didn't think it was a more symbolic thing I really did think he was truly a creative advisor and worked with Ion and Steve.
I need a t shirt that says “its ok to love Metzen.” 😂
The arrows aren't just on the PTR, they are literally live.
it takes roughly 3 years before you see anything major come out of a studio so i would expect the small patch to patch stuff has gone through chris' hands but i think he was came back to finish the stories he started, the Void, pirates and the other side of azeroth
Kalimdor racing was a blast! I've been so far just doing the races for the money from the world quests but the event inspired me to go and farm all golds on all the modes last weekend. Looking forward to more of that sweet zoooming content.
Man glad you added the add under the photo of Nigel Mansell because I thought you were crazy but I see your nuts, badda boom boom. I haven't sub for over a year, stopped before Dragonflight but might actually consider coming back with CM coming back just waiting to see Blizzcon and what announcement come from it.
The orc quest line for their armor set really was fantastic
I wouldn't be surprised if Metzen was a part of the designing of that.
@@mostoftheinternetisfake6633 Allied Races don't have quests for their heritage armor, only core races.
Can’t believe you got Ian rush mixed up with a picture of John Aldridge!
Time gap between SL and DF is 7ish years? Shouldn't the Lordaeron/Undercity council be well established by now?
"It was a simpshow obviously" that line got me good
I caught that Baldur's Gate 3 music in the background. Nice one. :)
Just to hear him present the new expansion live again😢
omg the end hits different when you are a patron!
Loving the BG3 music in a WoW news video. Clearly shows where your mind is really at 😉
Metzen has been the lead content & creative advisor throughout dragonflight. No wonder the expansion had been so good & content healthy so far. Ever since his return back to team, wow has only been becoming better & more fun each update.
Came for Tali, stayed for the background music.
I thought I was going crazy by hearing the BG3 music at the beginning of this video, because I was watching it as I was playing BG3😅
But Metzen makes me very happy as a WoW player, I'm excited to see where we go with him back
I have levelled up a forsaken and a nightelf character to 60 all ready to go. Send those heritage questlines!
Catalyze before upgrading the Champion gear (not the other way around) if you want to earn both the Normal and Heroic versions. Once you catalyze a Champion piece, it basically becomes a piece of Normal raid gear that can still be upgraded to 437. The only problem is that open world players and solo players won’t seem to be able to earn the Wyrm Crests needed to upgrade past 424.
Love the BG3 theme in the back. Got it right away. :)
That clarinet got me.
the BG3 music was a great touch :)
I still find it surprising that some people have so much trouble in the races
The only race I had an issue with was the AQ reverse one
Damnit. "It was a simp show, obviously" had me spit my drink all over my desk.
The Ahn’Qiraj reverse was torture for me. Most of the others seemed reasonable with a couple being really easy by comparison.
Same! It just got off to such an awkward start, and I always felt starved for momentum. Overall though, loved the event.
I have always loved freakin Chris Metzen, I am SO glad he is back. I look forward to the future of Azeroth with our titan back in the battle.
I like how you're casually using bg3 music in the background 🔥
Well atleast the opening bit background music doesn't hide where T&E have been past few weeks.
psst your pic of Ian Rush is Nigel Mansell. I am sure that was just a test, right. Well , I passed!!! Woot!!!
I joined WoW a little bit after Metzen left.. Im so excited to see this blizzcon :D
Damnit, I am getting so hyped listening to this about Metzen. All the feels!
I am hoping Metzen is working on a series (Netflix or Amazon) such as an animated series, if not live action, like Rise of the Lich King or the continuation of the original Warcraft movie as a series.
Though, I wouldn't say no to a Starcraft, Diablo or Overwatch animated series as well. I think Steve, Ion and the current team are doing a great job. I feel Metzen will just let the current team continue what they started since expansions take more than a year to build from the ground up. That's why Metzen might be working on something else in the Warcraft universe, not necessarily on Wow.
WoW should implement housing and it should be like this:
1-The location if your house should be a choice of any area in the old world (Kalimdor or Eastern Kingdom including Cata expansion areas.)
2-fully customize and building system similar to Valheim game system.
3-Using wall trophy decorations obtaining from rare monsters in the world.
4-Hunt rare monster system similar to FF12 and FF14.
5-Make it fully optional and purely cosmetic no player powers at all.
As a WoW player since 2007 I am in a point where I can't be bother with renown that is only good for transmog items, cant bother with raise another baby dragon - I did that in Pandaria- can't even bother with dragon riding events! I still love the game and I am hype for every expansion ( Yes...even for WoD) but I just can't farm reputation so I can get a tabard or a shoulder piece!! I am excited for the new expansion !!
Yea I've been playing since the end of TBC/start of WOTLK and it is the story/lore elements that keep me interested. The endless grinds just don't do it for me anymore. Shadowlands finally killed it for me and DF has been great but it hasn't been enough to actually get me playing again. I honestly don't know what that would take, I do try and stay updated on the story/characters but that doesn't really require paying a sub and playing. Time will tell
Loved the bg3 music choice!
People had trouble with the Ungoro one? The Silithus and Uldum ones had me tearing my hair out. Finally Gold'd both after too many tries.
I haven't done all of them myself yet but the Barrens one and azshara one was awful...it's hard for me to go that low to the ground, but I suppose I can blame that on my horrible seating and setup.😅
It's Desolace killing me...cannot get past bronze.
@@mg8565 I had to attempt Desolace reverse so many times that I got gold and didn't even realize and just started another race because I'd stopped checking if I had silver or gold. Un'goro was moderately hard but nowhere near the hardest. But Silithus is the only one I just gave up on after like 3 attempts because it's so slow and not really fun.
that sweet sweet bg3 music. so fire. great choice.
Wish i could get the queens loyalist tabard on all my horde toons since none of us have sided with Saurfang and never will. Especially my belfs
Hey Tali been watching you since Legion and in this video I realized you are getting the silver fox vibe, slowly but getting there....
Durotar was def the hardest for me. So many little branches.
10.2 can even be announced today!
I still see Sylvanas in the night elf heritage armor shoulders.
As a Liverpool fan have to say I do love your picture joke tali 😂😂
The arrows made it onto live for a week as well.
Wow: return of the warchief
That KT Hopkins burn was a bit out of left-field. Fkn love that.
Chris Metzen was brought in to save WoW before the Microsoft buyout of Activision. WoW was the foundation of Activision and Devs have been fucking it up for years as we all know. This was a smart move by senior leadership for WoW.
"It was a simpshow, obviously" got me
Just finished playing Baldur's Gate 3 only to throw on Tali and still hear the music.
I was never really interested in Classic Cata....but if Metzen is involved in a WoW expansion, and its another Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms revamp, now Classic Cata isn't so crazy, because the average player won't quest in cata era anymore in retail. I'm sure they would include some for of chromie time to revisit the cata era, but still.
If I do quests in wow I prefer the cata ones.
@@khululyp I like Cata quests too, but i'm saying that if they overhauled the old world, ppl would likely do the current iteration over cata, especially new players.
Can't wait this blizzcon
🤘🤘🤘🤘
Wait, I was under the impression the same rewards would be available from the EK cup
Maybe having Metzen so involved would be something that could actually make a timeline-split/alternate continuation of WOTLK Classic with new story actually accepted by the community?
Genuinely hoping they do this, but I would like them to modernize the gameplay a bit too
Tali - Believe it or not, the "arrows" were also on LIVE servers for, maybe a day. I saw them on LIVE in Valdrakken maybe a month ago, and followed the couple that I saw. You couldn't click on them, and they didn't seem to lead anywhere, but they WERE there for sure. I don't play PTR, so it was Live. May have been a glitch, but I saw them while working on the Daycare stuff, and thought it was related.
I remember the reddit posts about that.
OHHH I didnt even think about checking Reddit at the time. Yeah, most likely a good place for WOW secrets@@calamity0.o
Me hearing BG3 music in the background and thinking I'm going INSANE
The Metzen news is fab, love it and so good for the game and the community
14:17 Gratz! On Taco boy ✊
Okay....so questions. How many full patches do we think Dragonflight will be? I am a little concerned that if they announce 11.0 at Blizzcon it will contain some heavy spoilers for the rest of Dragonflight.
Basically I would love to get 10.2 announced so they can announce 10.3 and 11.0 at Blizzcon.
GIVE US TINKERS METZEN!!
I just wanna see Metzen walk out on stage at BlizzCon and bellow "WHAT UP BLIZZCON" again. Like old, better times.
Man I really missed Metzen opening the blizzcon.