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Advanced DJ Routing: Analogue Mixers, Guitar Pedals, and External Soundcards
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This man has the gift of teaching/explaining. I Enjoy all your tutorials, thanks a lot.
it's why he runs the best Digital DJing blog on the planet
Just in reply to some of the comments that i've read here, I'd like to say that I have had the privilege of seeing Ean play live in Toronto, together with Richie Hawtin, Marc Houle, and Justin James, and his set was nothing short of spectacular. Truly an innovator with your craft.
thanks dude., been a dj for 34 years professionally and this is like icing opn the cake. i no longer have decks, or my controller, but with 2 x 1's, a Z1, a microKORG, an numark analog 2 (+1 (line/mic)) channel mixer with analog controlled digital fx (unbelievable including a never ending tape delay and the best filter i have EVER heard. i have experience dj'ing with effects as for years, alongside my 1200's i ALWAYS had a mixer with aux send/ return to use my DigiTECH DSP 128+ rack mount fx unit. i been remixing records live since 1997, so of course i have a newly acquired Malekko Echo ID-300 Bright Analog Delay Pedal, and even though i don't have send/ returns on this numark, i have that 3rd stereo channel with eq and can apply a whole different slew of it's digital fx, including a vocoder (!) and then i have a really shitty gemini ''mixer'' (which i don't even know how it got here, tbh). this allows me to have the effect petal on channnel 1, and the microKORG on channel 2. as well as a second microphone (one mic per mixer (or another line, via the gemini). alternatively, i could use the gutiar pedal in between the KORG and my Numark, instead of on its own channel. then again i could always just use it for vox effects connecting a mic directly into the pedal. the best part is that i now can record externally as you've managed to make sense of the input/ output routing and such. even though i went to school for music uindustry arts back while digital production and dj'ing was still in its infancy, using both analog 2'' tape recording, MIDI, and digital producing/ recording, (Logic/ Protools), and even with all that, it has been a complete nightmare to get my head to properly wrap around all of this. i still have to physically draw out my setups. ADHD + OCD, not irrelevant Hahahaha. until really, siiting down, watching this today, i still hadn't managed to work it all out. way too many contingencies. it can be rather overwhelming. immediately before watching this, i learned to, and mapped, nudge and pitch controls to my x1's. now my life, music-wise, at least, is once again, complete.
thanks you Ean,
good sir,
you are truly a legend. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you for taking the time to give the best explanation for sends and returns. Helped me much. 🎉
Proper in depth video.
Just how it should be. Nice one 👍
I have had this mixer (rotary version) for years.....and I have never utilized these features. This is great start. Thank you.
I wish I could find the rotary version of the Xone: 92
Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for. Now off to the music store :)
EAN GOLDEN FOR PRESIDENT! THIS VIDEO HAVE BEEN ALL THE ANSWERS I WAS LOOKING FOR. I have an S8 eith faulty channel faders and mac os and traktor 3 pro and yesterday bought some pioneer djm 250 k mixer and asking myself how to route the cables to skip from s8 the eq and the channelfader of the s8 and route outputs C + A instead inside pinoeer channel 1 and B + D into channel 2.
always super interesting videos Ean!
This is absolutely amazing.
This video deserves more views, I literally bought a dj course with a setup similar to this and they didn’t explain the wiring this well.
that tutorial was amazing thanks a lot, I'm exited to start doing more with my xone 92!
Great vid Ean
You are awesome sir! Thank you, this was very informative.
What a great explanation! Really appreciate it.
Thanks for this video currently running a DJM-250Mk2 and the X1Mk2 been looking for a unique alternative to the traditional CDJ set up many of my friends currently run planning on doing this same set up eventually with the 92 and duel X1s but with a different FX unit and drum machine
Ean Golden is the Bob Ross of Disk Jockeys
Denzel Adams I love the Bob Ross nod. I know exactly what you mean. .... And here comes the bravery test
Lol. I see it haha
I think this video will always be relevant, so as true analog mixers 😀
I use the obsolete DB4 , and you can route channels to different channels in the mixer with a selector and it's awesome .
Thank you! Helped me a lot!
Baaaaanger staff. Great content man!
One thing that could impart a *clearer and punchier* signal!...
With a set-up like this, you should check the impedance of the aux send/returns on the mixer (likely in the manual). Guitar pedals always are designed around high-impedance unbalanced signals (or Hi-Z, i.e. guitar/bass etc.), while analog mixers tend to be designed around low-impedance balanced signals. When guitar pedals are used as outboard gear in the studio a "re-amp" device is used to match the impedances and balance/unbalance the signal. I personally use a pigtronix key master because of its simplicity/flexibility but any re-amp device should work.
There are a million guitar pedals on the market and there is no reason they can't be used as hi-fi effects units.
+John Helfrich you're a legend - I just ranted about this above before seeing you'd already touched on it :)
Where would the reamp go on the chain?
MrPisster after the mixer sending it, before the thing that it’s being sent to.
Most pedals are unbalanced and the Fx Send / Return input / output jacks on the DJ desk are balanced so you need a DI Box to make the unbalanced signal turn in a balanced signal.
it's even mandatory if you are using long low quality jack - jack cables you could get hum, buzz and noises...
The most versatile efx for a dj are the Pioneer RMX 500/1000 units. Lately thought I replaced the 1000 with a Specular Tempus which excels with dub.
You King ...yeeeh !!! greetings from argentina !!!
Xone 92 is still my favourite mixer to use.
Hello Ean, i have a question for you.
I have a Scarlet 6i6 soundcard connected to the xone 92 mixer.
The problem is that the peak level leds of the channels doesnt turn on.
I tried with a Technics Turntable and it worked, but when i plug from my soundcard it doesnt work.
I think it sounds good, can the problem has to do with only with the peaks meters?
what kind of usb hub is the one you are using ?
I was just wondering what type of cable Ean is running from the soundcard to the mixer? Where would you get these or is Ean making them himself? Are they 1/4 to RCA? Any help will be appreciated. Wanting to create a similar setup using an analogue mixer.
Not worried about impedance matching etc , as you're using guitar effects pedals that are expecting instrument level signal and you're running line level signal into them?
Best tutorial on this subject which a lot DJ's don't understand.(since I play vinyl and cd's don't have soundcard worries)
I've been told i need a reamp box before the pedal so that it doesn't get damaged... please explain thanks
Just wondering, anything you don't like about the Reverb or Delay on the TR8? Also, have you tried routing the TR8 through Traktors effects with a live input deck?
Can you please explain How I can use the analog ixing setup with pedals with CDJs
hello, i just bought a xone92 and i want to connect my RMX-1000 on the mixer. which is the correct way of doing it?
i have tried connecting MIX2 to RMX input and from RMX output to RETURN 2. when i try to increase the volume of MIX2 on the mixer there is a strange sound. im not sure whether im using all the correct preferences, if you can please tell me the correct ones.
in addition i have tried connect AUX1 to RMX input and from RMX output to RETURN 2. with this setup i cannot use the echo filters on the RMX since there is no input from the mixer to the rmx.
please let me know which is the correct connection and settings to use fully the RMX1000. THANK YOU.
Good look Ean!
Hey Ean,
how did you connect the X1`s to give a signal on the mixer? I just got myself one and the midi works just fine but I cant figure out how to get a signal from them to my xone 43. I am using 2 CDJ 900nxs players as a soundcard and their output just works fine. Would a "real" soundcard help me fix my problem? I used to play without traktor before so I really am new to this topic. Can you help me?
Thanks
-Michael
Hi,
That´s a awesome video! Thank´s so much for that!
I don´t have much experience in connecting things.
I would like to connect Traktor with my Signature22 mixer (use instead of a sound card) to the zone 92
My question: Is it possible to use my soundcraft signature 22 (with audio interface) instead of an external sound card? The mixer only have AUX outputs and don´t have chich (RCA cable) stereo outputs.
I´ve try it already but I failed. Or maybe I did a mistake in the settings in Traktor...
I´m thankfull for any help...
Thanks for the information!
Thanks for the video, great to see how you’ve set it up. Unfortunately I’m confused. In the one hand you explain how the analog element allows for cleaner sound without distortion but then go on to say you will need a sound card 🤔 I’ve not had any issues running my sound source directly into the channel. So I dont understand?
Are the X1's also plugged into the computer via a second usb port? I'm assuming the soundcard is occupying the first usb port?
Hi guys, forgive me but I have one question that hopefully can be answered... my mixer is Reloop RMX60, which has no fx send/return section, so is it possible for me to use Traktor effects when I DJ digitally? Does this mean the Traktor effects necessarily to be routed before the mixer section? It is quite weird though...right?
i play with this kind of setup since 5 yaers already !!! now with xone 92 / k2 - analog rytm - audio 10
So what would the difference be if I got a digital DJ mixer taking audio input through usb? Because that would save money not having to get a dedicated sound card with multiple outputs.
Would it sound bad?
very nice video... but you forgot to zoom in and explain a bit more the configuration on the Aux channels actual console. like the Duck boutton and sutch.
thats the part i was interested about.
great stuff
If I use the fourth deck in Output Mic. Do you lose sound quality? Since the Mic output has only one input and not two, just like the other outputs.
Question? If i have a xone 92 connected to 2 cdjs and 2 vinyls and using krk monitors do i need a soundcard and if so how do i connect it?
Are the Master out's XLR cables on the XONE 92 running to the firewire or speakers? How are they routed?
Great video ...where is the initial Midi clock coming from to time the RD8? Is it coming directly from Traktor or passing through the mixing desks MIDI out?
Cheers
How's the U-PHORIA UMC404HD for this type of setup? I'm looking at NI A6 but it only gives me 3 channels on the mixer I think. Or what are the other alternatives in this price range?
whats keeping the drum machine in time btw? not midi? USB from laptop/traktor?
i have a denon dnx 1500 and a roland edirol UA 101 ... can i use guitar pedals on a setup like that ?
You can route any soundcard from traktor?To mix?Why you dont need a A6 or something similar..Regards!
Amazing!!
Hello to connect your setup to monitoring speakers how do you do ? you connect to the xone92 or the external soundcard ?
Hey Ean, Is it possible to get the LED Analyzer Mapping for the X1 ?
I've been doing the quick cut into wet FX for ages, didn't know it was a thing!
***** what?
+ifordefouw it could be 'here here' i think, it's a common phrase you'd say in parliament to agree with speaker hehe
True analog for the win! How do u guys like this mixer compared to Rane?
What do you think about the American Audio MXR 10 or 14 mixer?
how would the cable routing be with a volume pedal for the delay and reverb pedals?
I have a questions if buy the Reverb RV-6 sound the same ?
Good presentation.
Looking at studio mixer to make it affordable and more routings for mics, synth ,4 channel for traktor, any suggestions?
Hi everyone can you help me for a problem that i can not solve . I have push and Xone 92 and i dont know how to plug it in to work. i plug 2x 1/4 going out from Push to Xone 92 and nothing happens should i do something in Ableton software and if its yes please tell me what i try hard 2 days already and i m already tired . Thanks
Hey Ean! I would like to see a video of Xone:4D by DJTT! I have one and he is amazing! But he is forgot by reviews... Tks!
How pre listening (cue) is always active affter change Outing Routing -out- Vs Internal Routing -out- ?
Hiya, are the cables between the pedals and mixer TS or TRS? Ta 😊
Thanks!
Can i make a eventide space work with my 92 and denon decks without soundcard?
Hey man
Really appreciate your video and your creativity
I was wondering can I use Xone 43 instead of Xone 92
So Xone 43 - TR8 - dual Traktor X1 - NI 6 Audio interface?
Is that hissing coming from your microphone or is it coming from your setup?
Thank you so much, 'cause there's so much I don't know :)
where can i get those multicore cinch cable you are using ??
HI, how to connect my xone 96 with the tr8s? still need and external sound card for the midi? I connected with the midi of the xone 96 and it doesn't work
the 96 comes with a soundcard and midi options. you need to first set the 96 as the soundcard for Traktor, and have it send midi signal OUT to the tr8s' midi IN. then you can either route the AUDIO OUT of the tr8s into one of the 6 stereo channels.
I'm looking forward to doing something similar. Except with the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 (3rd Gen) sound card.
Me as well recently except my mixer being model 1 and soundcard is audio 10 mk2.
Hey Ean, where can i buy that awesome jacket you're wearing?
Oxfam.
Hi Ean, what about scarlett soundcard?
Need more explanation how to set up soundcard. Please help
Thanks for the video. I'm still not clear on why you need the sound card at all. Why not just plug each device directly into the mixer?
You need a sound card if you are going to use digital software like Traktor.
what mode is being used on the reverb pedal?
Ean your musicianship is just ok, but you are possibly the best user of equipment in the world, at least one of the best I've seen. Your movements are inspiring. Keep it up. More performances please.
This is what we call a "backhanded compliment"; kind of an insult hidden inside a compliment. Musicianship is a matter of opinion and personal taste. Let's just say Ean is amazing at using the equipment, and a great instructor, and leave it at that. As a complete newbie, I personally really appreciate the time and effort that goes into making these tutorials that are so clear, informative and instructional. No backhand needed.
Thanks, great tutorial on things I've never really tried with my Xone 92. Seems like you really know this mixer! Don't you find with the 92 the volume rises much too rapidly toward the top of the fader - it doubles in the last 1/4 or 1/5. I was thinking of selling it and getting an S8. Whats the effects routing like for that. I was thinking of buying an analog rytm and maybe A4 to use for live stuff along with remix decks and regular tracks.
+Pete Horam
The Xone:92 has a logarithmic line fader whilst the Xone:62 has a linear line fader.
In essence this means that the Xone:62 fader has an equal distribution
of volume along the travel of the fader whilst the Xone:92 fader will
have more of the volume distributed at the top of the fader's travel.
In terms of feel, the Xone:92 fader is much lighter to the touch whereas the Xone:62 fader has more resistance.
How to sync all that sources together ? i mean the beatmachine and the traktor sound ..
i dont know if anyone is going to see this question but im wondering about something since im looking into building my first "hardware" based setup... ive read before that it's advised to always play MONO when DJing at a club or whatever since the stereo signal wont give a consistent audio in the entire room...
But i notice that on all mixers the channel inputs are always stereo.... so do DJs play stereo? or is it converted to MONO on the PA side of things? what's up with that?
I saw it. Most clubs are mono, but not all...
Any cheaper audio interface you guys recommend? Could I use the Roland mx1 as an audio interface / sound card
NI Audio 6
Thanks for the video Ean, do you (or anyone else reading this) have any idea whether it is possible to use analogue mixers (or even midi mixers such as DN-X1600) in external mode for traktor post fader effects? It does not seem like this is possible from what I have looked up :/
Some mixers allow for post fader effects from tractor sends
Xone 92/42/43 all should even 22/23
how do you sync traktor to TR-8?
Dear DJTTI have a problem.Not so long ago, i was a Native Instruments Traktor DJ, but because of the controller i thought, that i would change course to become a Pioneer DJ. I bought the DDJ-RX controller, and use the Rekordbox DJ Ver. 4.0.0. updatet to the 4.0.6 ver.However, I love the controller, love the knobs and faders and the big jogwheel. But the Rekordbox DJ software layout is not logic og fun to Watch and Work in.My question: Is it possible, to use the Pioneer DDJ-RX with Traktor 2 pro software?I read some place at the internet, that the so called TFI FILE donsen't exist to the DDJ-RX controller only for the DDJ-SX.I really hope you can help me out.Sincerely and a true new member fan on the youtube channelKenneth from Denmark(Sorry of the spelling isn't that good)
ive just recently bought an xone92 + 2x traktor x1's and a scarlett 18i20 interface.. having real trouble trying to get it set up up my monitors and channels, do i plug the leads from my monitor speakers into the xone or interface?
i think you can connect your monitors to your interface. try it. but maybe u can get some latency depends on your interface..
Is the baby face pro suitable for this setup?
I'm seriously considering getting a Xone 92, even in 2020, always loved the look of it, but torn between getting that and the Xone PX5 being it has the USB connection on the back. Obviously there's the Xone 96 but that's a little out of my price range right now. I have a komplete Audio 6 MK2, i was wondering if i could replicate this setup using it, for 3 decks from Traktor Pro 3, if so what cables would i need? I was just looking at an 8x 6.3mm Jack Mono to 8x RCA Male Multicore Cable, would that work with the Xone 92 and my Audio 6 Mk2?! I'm guessing it wouldn't being it only has 4 out and 6 in. I noticed the the Traktor Audio 10 is now discontinued also.
The Xone 96 has some refinements and enough of a difference in the sound quality to make it worth it, imo. I had a 92 but was blown away by the 96 when I had it.
Get xone 4d it does all this and more
the pioneer in this kind of djing was speedy-j in the year 99 i guess with ,first with two hardware samplers (yamaha su700)& the laptop working as effect processor connected to the aux sends of a xone 464.. and later with traktor & live+machine+xone 92 ..and now with an octatrack.
+BRIAN BURGER elektron makes nice stuff
How much did u spend set those items up?
so he wouldn't be able to have this set up with Komplete audio 6 cause it has 2 stereo outputs, right?
Yes. You could use an Audio 8 or 10, for example.
Hi Ean,
I noticed that TR8 is in sync with traktor...How did you do the sync?
If is the same way you sync traktor with maschine...how can we Do this in the Club while other DJ is finishing his performance...I mean...the audience cannot hear the click meter from traktor...
Thanks very much for sharing your knowledge :)
Raphael Piperno you can actually just plug it in via USB and sync the MIDI clock from Traktor's preferences
So do all analog mixers imperatively need an external soundcard in order to function? Also when you say "this is why this mixer is so good" you're essentially refering to the extended routing possibilities, correct? Thank you for the great video!
The Xone Px5 has an internal sound card in addition to its analog circuitry.
It also has Hi-Z FX sends just like Ean’s Xone:96
Whats better?
Boss Rv-5 or Boss Rv-6
Boss DD-3 or Boss DD-7
For techno music on Allen & Heath Xone 92?
Tc hall of fame.
Can you do a video of the xone 92 vs xone px5 pls
wait a second, this is a great mixer no doubt but vestax was implementing exactly the same kind of FX possibilities years before, on their PCV-275 for instance, it's not such a "unique" feature for the xone to be able and do so (thanks for the tuto tho I'm currently mixing on this vestax and was wondering if I could find a similar FX section on the xone, now I know it has it!)
Thanks for the video, this is a really interesting experiment and visually exciting but what are the audible benefits over using traktors reverb and delay?
There are a couple. First, you have the option of a full-analog signal chain, which many techno DJs are very fond of. Second, you can use ANY EFFECT YOU LIKE. Traktor's reverbs and delays have a specific sound. Other reverbs and delays will have a different sound. Third, on the Xone 92 you have two return channels which allow you mix in the effects as if they were channels, something Traktor does not perform in the software.
@@randyrankin682 thanks that is helpful!
would love a xone with 6 stereo inputs/faders... doesnt exist... right?
I would like to add one more thing - you need to work on gain structure a little, you should have the channel faders at that 0 DB mark (it's next to the 0DB light, there is a scale on the other side of the slider) and try to keep EVERY channel at 0DB or under, or at most, a tiny flash to 3DB (that's for running 2 channels also, if you are doing 3 or more each time you need to pull down all the other channels to keep the master near 0db..). I know you touch on it a little about how in a digital mixer it would be distorting, still, even with the 'nice' saturation of master out of Xone 92 running at 3-6DB output light, it is not as 'clean' as running master at 0db (or 3DB max). When you were doing the effect, as you had gain trim at midday and level faders at 9 out of 10 sort of level (with three channels, music on channel 3 as well as dry on channel 4 and wet on return channel. So you can see at points you are redlining with effects. Important if DJs could learn about gain structure (ties into how you should be converting your signal from output of mixer before guitar pedal and then on way back again, which another commentator as well as myself touched on) - clean signal sounds a lot better than distorted/saturated/clipping for 90% of DJ stuff. Different story for production/recording/noise music and other things, but that's not what we're talking about (unless you DJ some of that stuff, even then I think you should apply proper gain structure to YOUR mixer output.. pull down those clipping tracks). One last thing though, don't take me as a complainer, I am very grateful for this helpful tutorial. It would have been very useful for me if I saw it some years ago before going on my quest to combine my guitar pedal board with my DJ rig :)
Don't sleep on this comment if you want a professional sounding mix.
I commented on a A&H post about this recently and they responded saying the same was Xone has plenty of headroom and it's not a problem. So are the channel VU's just for show? Do they accept that so many DJ's redline they have made them 'vanity' VU meters?
@@THE_Container due to being analog mixer with headroom it won't clip in a nasty way, but it will saturate from the summing of higher levels in the channels. So the metering has a point and will measure if you are coming in at 0dB or not, its just that with an analog mixer like this, it isn't AS important as if you are using digital where digital clipping sounds so bad. And some people might like the 'harshness' of analog harmonic distortion and saturation -czcams.com/video/DZ4IGAR7iio/video.html is a good video