Recapture the Rapture, Jamie Wheal
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- In the face of multiple existential threats, and a pervasive crisis of meaning, how can we reconnect to our deepest purpose and what techniques and practices can help us reboot.
Jamie Wheal is launching his new book, Recapture the Rapture, based on three principles: Choose Your Own Apocalypse, The Alchemist's Cookbook and Ethical Cult Building.
Rebel Wisdom is co-hosting the launch party for the book with Jamie on Wednesday 28th April with guests including Gabor Mate, Dennis McKenna, Douglas Rushkoff, Diane Musho Hamilton, Tyson Yunkaporta, Daniel Schmachtenberger and many more.
You can get an invite through Flow Genome Project by buying the book: www.recapturetherapture.com/l...
Maaan. I am workig on this for years now. I thought I am the only one then I find this guy. And he is already far ahead :) Man I am glad!
Same here. So you and I are not alone :)
@@woyblank751 I can concentrate on music now and leave the book stuff for later to be a memoir.
I just came across this today and same here! I think people like you, me, this guy, and anyone else who is willing to put in the work, need to take collective action to help push this idea forward into the zeitgeist and hopefully steer us away from the point of no return.
@@ineffablecraving8697 already on it. I choose music as the medium :) since Jamie already wrote the book I can go on to the next step to create art about it. Music was always a big part of my life already. This book is for people like Jamie, thinkers and artists entrepreneurs. People who are born seekers. But these ideas will never penetrate the wider society in this format. People don't read books. Especially books like this. Only people like us find this who are already searching for these questions. We need to translate it to art for people who don't even know they would be looking for these things. It needs to be passed on as feelings before they ever open a book like this. That's my perspective at least.
Same dude
I can't even express how much I loved this. I always take time to listen to Jamie Wheal speak because I think he is one of the clearest thinkers in this area. Very hopeful after this and looking forward to his new book!
Does he ever discuss zionism? Honestly asking, I'm new to his work.
Until we identify and correct our insecurities that don't comport with the modern world, we will continue these cyclical dysfunctional paradigms. Insecurities that served us well when we lived in caves and might not make it through winter, if we didn't hoard every resource possible, has now become greed and decadence in our modern world of abundance. Our instinctual drive to be liked by others once served a functional purpose for procreation and cooperation. Now it's a dysfunctional need for attention, from large groups of strangers, in a modern world that was thrust upon us too quickly for evolutionary adjustments.
Until we quit wasting resources and human labor to prop up unnecessarily insecure egos, we will continue to bang our heads against the same wall. Once we adjust our morals to solve these problems, we can find meaning building sustainable and truly cooperative communities. Then we'll be on to something.
I like your comment. What would these communities look like? Perhaps 'what would they be centered around' is a good question.
True! And, just as Jamie says modern evolutionary biology along with neuroscience gives us understanding and tools to reconnect with what we have lost.
well done!
Rebel Wisdom is co-hosting the launch party for the book with Jamie on Wednesday 28th April with guests including Gabor Mate, Dennis McKenna, Douglas Rushkoff, Diane Musho Hamilton, Tyson Yunkaporta, Daniel Schmachtenberger and many more. Our Sensemaker members are invited - or alternatively you can get an invite through Flow Genome Project by buying the book: www.recapturetherapture.com/launch
Damn
Most people have simple needs that are satisfied living and working in their community. The problem is the sociopathic power addicted playing the power game at the global scale. And Elon Musk wants to win the contest to be the first oligarch on Mars. If we can't keep our custom designed home livable we will not escape natural law. The concentration massive wealth by unaccountable power has given them control of the Federal government, the courts, the state governments, the narrative setting corporate media, most of the local media. Then you have the Emperor of the dark side at Faux Views making sure the white Republican voters stay in a state of fear with nonstop bullshit.
David - thanks for your vision. Just saying. x
@@atypicaltexan3834 Leave Elon alone..... He is a good guy. Try to understand him before you label him like that.
Far too many intellectuals are overthinking it. Everything external is a reflection of what is inside. Enjoy the moments and don't worry. There is no crisis only the ones you create. So don't create a crisis you can't handle. Simples.
Humans have been around for a very long time with the same old fears and they will be around for long after you have gone.
I agree. I would like to see these ideas put into story form, to see how this looks in practice. On an intellectual level these ideas are interesting, but I can’t see how this would play out in reality. How would this knowledge propagate and be absorbed by the common person? On an intellectual level there will always be theories, but a compelling story is more likely to inspire change.
Absolutely. I find most of RW and the so-called IDW guyshuge overthinkers.
Unfortunately the business/media that they are in rewards the skill of being able to spin ideas out ad infinitum in a non-stop magnum opus with the subtext that not paying attention is basically signing up for the end of civilisation as we know it .
Are you ironic?
I've listened to Mr Wheal for the first time today. I find the comparison between him and Daniel Schmactenberger an interesting one. DS was equally fast paced, idea rich and seemingly experiencing the after effects of some kind of highly potent form of what I'll reductively call 'a bastard strong coffee'. It took a few watches/listens in different conversations with different people (Brett Weinstein, Jim Rutt) to feel comfortable or at least footsure with his language and the framework of his ideas, but to me it seems as though his focus is with the 'machinery' of meaning as experienced within our culture. Taking it apart and putting it back together in a way that benefits as many people as possible. Discussing things such as reinventing our elective processes made it super-relatable and tangible for even a pleb like me and I'll be watching eagerly for what comes next from that gentleman and his cohorts.
Jamie Wheal may yet become someone I am equally interested in, for if there is one thing this 'monologue' style of video does, is it makes me want to hear him in conversation with someone else. It came across as a 'word and ideas salad', with occasional tables and graphs and disconcertingly slick and commercial-ish presentation moments (the young white woman speaking earnestly with a little dark-skinned child for example) that I instinctively find off putting. There were many fascinating points I could only grasp the tail of before they were subsumed by another. Yet an alarm bell was faintly sounding. All I can say at this moment is that I felt like I was being sold to. There was razzle-dazzle. There was his 'I'm coming up on mushrooms' laugh. There was talk of the tiny percentage of meaningful recipients of The Lore. Not The Lore you find in the wild, a New Lore, grown in a lab, with driving beats and supercharged, hyper-efficient results. For the Few, anyway...
I don't comment on this kind of material often, or indeed on social media at all really. I'd never survive Twitter's character limit...if anyone has read this far and can recommend interviews with Mr Wheal, (hopefully something in which he isn't just set up to do 'his thing') and maybe even challenged a little, please let me know. Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time - I'm also pretty rare to comment on CZcams (and have a similar allergy to Twitter, praise be to (insert deity of your choice). There's a couple of recent conversations with him that are quite good. The one with Tom Bilyeu is great - mainly because Tom doesn't talk much (he doesn't have anything significant to add anyway), and also because they keep it uncensored and lively. The one with Lewis Howes is similarly host-deficient, lol - and it's also a bit censored; but Wheal touches on some different topics so it feels complimentary and not just repetitive.
@@Philusteen Hey thanks for replying. I enjoyed JW's chat with Brett Weinstein. Weinstein clearly felt some commonality of their beliefs and goals, but they were coming at things from different directions, which made for a good dynamic to their conversation. Seems like JW is getting around. I'll take a look at your recommendations and there's a 4 hour chat with Aubrey Wossisname. That's a pretty epic convo but it's always better to have a two-way exchange I think.
I had the same thoughts. At first i just settled in and appreciated his tapestries of concepts and vocabulary. But the more i listen to him the more i get out of it. If not for answers then at least for concepts and ideas.
You might try Christopher Ryan’s conversation with Jamie Wheal on the Tangentially Speaking podcast. He speaks to his amazing articulation and metaphors and even asks him if anyone had ever told him that talking with him felt like being stoned.
Hello sonikgoat. Very well written comment.
Wow! This is it. This is the best talk I've yet come across. There's vision, morality, spirituality, inspiration... This is the way forward. Rock on, Jamie!
God I love these conversations. Thanks David for pulling this all together.
This is absolutely brilliant! Jamie’s at the top of the game right now. Loving the direction of his thinking. Radical Hope - things will be better for our grandchildren.
Amen. Radical hope folded into love, even for those who dont fold but tear
@@jarijansma2207 absolutely!! my comment should of Looked like yours lol
Agreed. This was incredibly thought-provoking and is the deepest dive I've heard yet into our current situation.
The issue is that The Torah, is more that its literal tales. It has a hidden language concerning a supernal dimension, a divine reality where Paradise already exist in the here and now. But hidden are the revelations of how to elevate the soul that opens a gate to another parallel Universe filled with wisdom, kindness and fulfillment. Need to overcome the fear of lack because fears comes from selfishness, an obstacle to access the unconditional unlimited bliss storage. Need to forget thyself to have it all. Love and Light!!!!
For me, where this all comes together is our vision of what a person is. We need a way of honouring our connection and relatedness (to others and the planet) and valuing our individuality. This is a bit of obsession of mine, so I may be just hearing what I want to hear.
No, you hear the message
@@healcptsd6467 "We glom on to the one that resonates with us"
@@SamSam-xx6dv yeah, but hopefully we also listen to people and ideas that are new, or perhaps even "wrong", at least once in a while 😊
Love this guy already and I’m only 2mins in. This man is a genius for the future of our civilizations...I wish I was wealthy so I could support your work 100% but I hope you make it through the hardships(financially, spiritually, emotionally) of being on the front lines of forward thinking movement(s) this day in age. Thanks for your work and I wish you the best, Rebel Wisdom you too!
Metaphysics might be a dead end, as ole Kant taught us and we didn't listen. However, in order for this project to work you have find a way to solve DEATH. Without an answer for this existential sledgehammer, your meaning system will be toothless in the face of religion, no matter how neat the path to ecstatic experience is like. Our human experience is hardwired as a run from death. Christianity bypasses this dread by passing it into the afterlife, the second life of "heaven". It provides purpose because LIFE is not about solving death anymore, but planning for this second life. In other words it "cheats" by skipping death and focusing on the do's and don'ts of attainment. But as Jamie states : this is not an ethic about the world we have here and now, and thus its great weakness. It provides motivation for morality as a reward for the release of death as a form of existential dread.
It is, of course, just a story. But it is story that kills three birds with one stone. "Christ saves" means that you are offered a solution to both existential dread (eternal salivation), morality (this is how you act if you are saved) and the purpose that that morality can generate (Communion with God). I agree with your project but you should not underestimate why something like Christianity is so potent.
As also stated, he's into the ethos of Christian teaching, just not 2000 years of inept administration and the baggage that follows. Don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This was beautiful. Thank you.
Amazing. Looking forward for your book
The money line: "What I do believe in... is some root hope in human nature if we can get out of our own way." Paradoxically, if we understand our motivations and assumptions for wanting meaning, then we will give up the quest, i.e. get out of our own way, and then the answer is revealed. The motivation is to find reliability, and the assumption is that reliability exists. After seeing that reliability is an illusion, the quest drops away. Then the meaning of life, i.e. the happiness and goodwill of being (AKA our human nature), is revealed. One day, this will be obvious to everyone.
'When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.' - Lao Tzu
No matter what you believe, infinite growth cannot exist on a planet with finite resources. The future seems inescapably retro and the more people cling to contrasting ideas the harder the transition will be.
Thank you Universe for this brilliant conversation. How much I needed this!
Excellent presentation. Good analysis. Good road map. One comment: I have lived the path you describe, the path of the “twice born,” for 50 years. What you describe will not achieve the result you want, the result we all need. I understand the desire to “democratize transcendence.” The alternative as you note is just too terrible. Yet, there is much more to Death and Rebirth than you have indicated. Keep going. All you have said is necessary preparation for what is needed. I wish you well and great success.
Around the 35:00 min. mark he talks about becoming born again and having a chance to opt in. This drives to my central objection to Jamie’s work which is that the purpose of the most honest and pure spiritual practice is to opt out permanently. The whole becoming a spiritual or enlightened ego project which Wheal, Wilber, Cohen, and about a hundred others are advocating is twisting and using the practice for personal gain (even or especially when it’s cloaked in the grandiose desire to save or help the world). My big issue that I take with this approach is that it is obviously ego driven and is derailing any chance of something genuine and pure emerging for millions of naive seekers because it pollutes the ‘information environment’. Just call it what it is- new age sorcery.
Opting out permanently means surrender to the source rather than personhood. So many are talking about having both, continuing Nietzsche’s Ubermench project to find the Caesar/ Jesus hybrid which Jung said was impossible to create and said we could only discover. The bottom line is that liberation is always and will always be for the few and that leave millions of people listening to popularizers who are talking out their ass, and seeking fun ways to teach how to be half baked sorcerers. If you are going down that left hand path you should number one call it what it is and make the clear distinction that stealing fire from the gods is the opposite of surrendering to the source and further that it is a dangerous path full of perils and pitfalls.
think you're bringing up some impt points that I also wrestle with--namely the relation between transcendence and inclusion, but my thesis is dedicatedly democratic--people, initiating themselves and each other, into twice-born, homegrown humanity, a la the Zen Oxherding parable--where the ultimate step is returning to the world extraordinarily ordinarily. Choosing this life and all of its messy complications rather than trying to transcend or bypass it. Time's up waiting for Second Coming, time's now for the Umpteenth Coming. All of us, or none of us. Hope that helps clarify?
Hi Jamie thanks for the response,
Before we take the ultimate step of returning to the world we must fully surrender, otherwise what we return with is misleading.
I consider you a friend on the path and a genuine seeker of truth. We are all half baked at best, I’m simply saying that the need is not to develop a intermediary step for the development of humankind. Wilber is wrong, there is no second stage integral in the evolutionary development of consciousness. Consciousness does not evolve, the forms that arise in it evolve.
Importantly the only reason for those forms to exist and draw our attention so completely is to distract us from source. You are still captivated by the forms and what they mean (as we all are). I was with Andrew Cohen and saw what philosophy does to a half enlightened being. It’s like some freaky shit from lord of the rings, one idea to rule them all, it’s the false promise that if we can just explain it right then the path to truth will be cleared. The path to truth is always wide open, we are just busy with ‘helping people’. While we are busy helping people we are really just postponing our own full surrender and demonstrating what someone avoiding the absolute truth acts like.
Please don’t take my criticism personally, it is sent with love. I value your work, it has been provocative. I value the whole project you are involved in. I was deep into the help the world with words spoken from source project myself. Once I realized source is silent I shut the fuck up (mostly😊). Now I’m on a different path so obviously I have my departure point. Love to you🙏🏼 and best of luck on your full surrender, Sincerely, Michael
Some confusion here.... I'm afraid way too much to solve here... But I do wish you the best of luck 🙏
Heal...
What are you confused about?
@@michaelnice93 I'm not confused 🙃
I'm looking forward to reading your book soon. I've been waiting since January. You see it clearly. For decades I've been thinking and finally, some people are getting the message out to new audiences. I'm happy about that.
Hallelujah Brotha! I love this about "fight TO form and not FROM form" such good life advice. "How do we increase sovereignty in the individual and their connection to communitas" that's the grand paradox that must be balanced in order to succeed here! Your analogies of Extreme sports in the Alpine are so great and very close to my heart, such a great metaphor for this pursuit. Much love & respect, bow and salute.
This could be 3 or 4 videos...
Fabulous and rich, thanks.
I have an "I'm not sure that's going to work, but I haven't got a better executable framework out of our predicament, so ok we can risk moving that way", attitude towards Jamie.
I might end up reading his book to learn more. (I'm a slow reader so very selective)
Thank you for an excellent video.
How refreshing, love this x
Excellent statement of many of the challenges
Brilliant!!!! Thanks
What a great conversation!
I had an experience in the seventies that changed and remade my life. At the time there was nothing and no one that could explain to me what was happening. It was huge and lasted over many years and although I am back down to earth and as upset and concerned about our situation as anyone else is, I do have some supporting truths I know for sure. The major one being that I am not here by accident. 2. We are Mind and beyond anything we could imagine. 3. We are dreaming. Nothing that is outside of Love or God is real. Nothing that happens in this physical universe affects Reality which is beyond existence and our true nature. 4. Knowing these things, gives some breathing space, alleviates the tremendous sorrow and guilt regarding what we appear to have created. It also reawakens our awareness of our real power and this is what we need in this time. I’m struggling like everyone else, but to have access to these conversations that are freely shared is extraordinary and life saving for all of us. Our minds are joined. It was ACIM that enabled me to understand what had happened. But already, since the seventies it has been rewritten, reinterpreted etc. For me sticking to the original version with Ken Wapnick’s help it’s been everything. Especially the metaphysical explanation of life, written in beautiful verse accompanied by a workbook to put in practice and a text explained in psychological concepts. .....As it makes clear, it is not for everyone and there are many ways. I’m just writing this for anyone that this may resonate for.
Is the original the green copy? Thankyou yes your comment resonates with me. I concur with everything you wrote.
@Noor I’m glad you found this helpful. I didn’t receive a notice from you tube of your comment so I have just seen it myself. All the best.
Wooooooh!
We’re halfway there!!!!
Woooh.. hooo!!!
Livin’ on prayer!!!!!!
I was raised with the idea that we do choose our parents, that our energetic systems transcend individual lifetimes. This has caused so much internal conflict for me, and still does, as I agree with nearly everything you say, love the way you say things, and also, when you say 'just set this aside', I have a hard time fully getting past that. It remains the questions, doesn't it? Does meaning transcend this lifetime?Even if I set aside the thought that we exist beyond a single lifetime, it seems like we have a lot more potential for living fully than we are tapping into-by a lot. Much love Jamie. I appreciate the work you do. Thank you.
Excellent! I was especially interested in Jamie's discussion of birth, death, and rebirth. A complimentary reading of what is happening psychologically and spiritually in these events can be found in the book Essence by A.H. Almaas. It's published with a shorter work The Elixir of Enlightenment which is also worth a read for anyone interested in growth. In a nutshell, he says we are all meant to achieve these events, multiple times in our lives, but that many of us don't know how to.
Jamie is a bodhisattva. Strength to his arm!
At last we are here
looking forward for the launch party on wednesday and the release of the audio upload.
That PewDiePie has 109 MILLION subscribers on CZcams while Rebel Wisdom has less than a quarter million leaves me wondering whether that 3.5% rule will ever be satisfied especially when, as of this writing, only 4500 have viewed this video and, worse, only 284 of those viewers upvoted this video.
Brilliant analysis, Jamie. I especially appreciated it when you took a bit of time to offer examples of one of your 5 elements for 'recapturing the rapture' (the scripture element). I wish you had time to offer more for all of the elements. To add my two cents, let me offer the 'analytic idealism' of Bernardo Kastrup as a worthy of consideration for the metaphysics element.
Please.... Don't remind us right now
Living beyond the “thou shalt, thou shalt not” with integrity, ethics, and principles. I refer to it as the ultimate spiritual experience.
It takes nearly a lifetime to achieve and could be the reason for existing in this physical world.
Earth is a hard place to live a life but we learn the most.
On top of that self-criticism makes it hard.
We are our own worst enemy especially when we are trying to walk the spiritual path.
We have the option of asking for help from God.
It helps eliminate our feeling of failure.
At the end of life, we find out that the things we were most hard on ourselves about are lessons that taught the most.
We have plenty of teachers and guidebooks however our best teacher is experience.
I've enjoyed watching lots of Jamie's talks recently. But they all feel like they have been building up to this one - I can't wait to read the book.
This man is my spirit animal ❤💎🔥⚘🙏💋🎶
Death , rebirth, myths, shamanism, Yoga , initiation, reiki , kabbalah, Gnosticism, occultism, B een there done that and spent all my life searching until I finally came back to Jesus my final destination and I’m at peace , no more searching , what I was looking for was always there waiting for me to say yes!
Wauw what a speech!!
Jamie seems to be one that can zoom out and hold so many composite forces, that seem so elusive to most of us, from a vantage of clarity and inclusivity, that I intuit to be indespensible in devising a parsed understanding, comprehensive to the individual, whereby a properly integrated reckoning could perpetuate real cooperative change. Still feels like wishful thinking and he's not the only one. I like to think there's many. Dunno.
Guys love you all be blesses
Starting to read your book now.🙂
I actually can't believe how audacious and ambitious this book is. Kudos for the courage. Also this, radical.
Jamie should def do a podcast w jordan peterson
Danke 🍀
Thanks Jamie, you're helping me alot really. Along with the greats: ram dass, eckhart tolle and the last year you aswell. underpinned by JBPs darker wisdom and integral theory.. all of it its all rising in a cresciendo of Meaning for me.
So, i just wanted to say: from where I'm standing: Alot of honest integration is already hapenning, and that toolkit you talk about: I've (and many friends just not explicitly yet) been building one since the "How to spot a Cult" video. Its been a TREMENDOUS HELP.
Im writing this with tears in my eyes since I could have been dead if it weren't for people such as yourself, honestly trying to deal and work through the complexity with an open embrace, so thanks.
(I'm even starting some media (not sure which platform), so as to discuss this toolkit of sovereignty so to speak. Maybe my experience, shared honestly, can be of service)
Also, Rebel Wisdom:
ONE LOVE THANK YOU XX
I don't know Ram Das and this is the first time I have come across this guy but, I'm sorry if I offend you.... the level of understanding he presents here is WAY beyond the wisdom of little Eckhardt...
@@healcptsd6467 perhaps :)
Interesting video.
After you have been through the fire you land on your feet you have a good education in life101 and have gained what you came here to learn.
Life is just long enough to see reality and discover the lies and the truth.
With diploma in hand you move on to the next class.
I’m just gobsmacked. Thank you so much. Radical hope all around!
Haha i read "Godsmacked"
We made a lot of wrong turns in our evolution, but agriculture was probably the nail in the coffin. Now we had to deny our basic instincts because, as the interviewee said, "there are ditches to be dug." Humans have been a hot mess ever since. Every civilization has failed. Ours will, too, in spectacular fashion.
"I know a lot of fancy dancers [like Jamie Wheal]. People who can glide you on the floor. They move so smooth but have no answers." -- An old pop song's lyrics.
We wouldn’t have a meaning crisis if folk like this actually spoke in a way that we could understand what they mean.
Well said. The point everyone missed indeed. The guy just can't speak his mind without a lot of packaging around. Good talk still.
@@NicolasMontchery Don't get me wrong, solid ideas. Just not a very economical use of words.
Give it some time, learn more about trauma, evolutionary biology, neuroscience. To me this was crystal clear. It makes perfect sense to my understanding plus adds a lot more on how myths and religion are involved.
@@healcptsd6467 I fully understand what he is saying, but he is obscuring the simplicity of his message with unnecessarily verbose language or pre-ambles.
Same as Luke here. It's all very clear but you can say more, you can say it better and make it memorable in a couple minutes. To his credit and to be fair, he's using his own methods so I can't judge too much. Maybe his ways I guess it can work... And hours of this thing you might get the point in the end.
well done Jamie. On point.
I'm happy to hear that someone is taking a stab at ethical cult building (an user manual for being a human) because most people need connection and purpose without all the bs of control of a single individual and mistakes of the recent past. Problem is, individual trust is at an all time low and social conformity high, but i'm game to try.
Ethical cult building..... An interesting idea.... But isn't that something you could call 12-step programs?
A conversation between Jamie and Jeremy Lent might be very interesting.
Can't wait to hold the book in my hands!
Powerful ⚡️
Finding words is sometimes hard... 🙏
Not for this Guy 😊
Jamie Wheal is the G.O.A.T.
Time stamp 55:24 is some beautifully strung words of meaning 1.0 ( religious meaning making )
"Extinction Rebellion are right." Rebel Wisdom please could you interview Gail Bradbrook?
1:01 ‘Trickster Makes This World’ by Lewis Hyde. A postmodern masterpiece.
Ive built it!
Insightful intelligence.
He seems to me to be proposing a new Hegelianism, subsuming the Judeo-Christian and the Enlightenment traditions in an effort to arrive at a higher unity.
I can see that... Is that higher unity feasible? I think the higher unity he is shooting at may require a certain type of humility.
Agreed. Also, care needs to be taken that this new Hegelianism does not degenerate into a scientific immanentism, which, it seems to me, is a danger. The need for transcendence cannot be exorcised from human nature by the new intellectual frontiers opened up by evolutionary biology and neuroscience, etc. The pursuit of scientific knowledge is to be encouraged; the formation of an ideology of scientism is not.
I'm reminded of Pentheus who came to a sorry end. You can't control the way it goes.
The whole problem of evil and its incompatibility with an all-powerful god disappears if you believe, as the very many NDE experiences testify, that we are spiritual beings having a human experience, and choose the format of our lives. What looks like evil is then transformed into a teaching tool, that everyone opts into beforehand.
Wow!
The meaning is experience.
Jamie îs really awesome, but I hate the fact that his audiobook îs only sold on Amazon, and of course I couldn't get it because it's not available in Romania. And now I saw that Bezos bought a yacht with a baby yacht and that makes me seek. I won't give him one cent more.
would love to hear a conversaton between ken wilber and jamie wheal
wow just wow
I have recieved the Kindle version of the book and have read about 1/3 of the book. As an Ex-Jehovah's Witness and an Enthusiast of the failed Ken Wilber inspired Integral Movement of the early/mid 2000's, I have yet to read anything in this book or what I am hearing in this CZcams that I couldn't get on board with. Where do I sign up for the Good Ship "Psychonaut Explorer". =)
Any chance you're going to have access to or will release replays of the launch?
I could be wrong but 'Recapture the Rapture / Hedonic practices' seems to be the masculine version of the feminine 'Cinderella / Happily Everafter' myth; albeit, in the 'here and now' vs. some future point in time.
When you bring the trickster back in it becomes tricky to establish what the good is.
Astute observation
@@michaelnice93 Thanks
You hit the nail on its head with this observation.
@@judygreenwell334 Thanks
Evan what is the good in your experience?
As always, an interesting and thought provoking presentation by Jaime. I appreciate this upload. I take some issue with his connecting New Thought with Q-Anon, at around one hour and twenty seconds in. I'd like to hear his opinion as to why he thinks there is a connection between those two. As a practitioner of a new thought philosophy, I don't immediately see the connection. I recognize that that might be because I'm associating myself too closely with that thought system, and thus cannot see the connection. If anyone has any thoughts on this, I'd like to examine this further. Thank you.
Ok I will take a swing at it.
The connection is this: New Thought is any person or group realizing that everything we believe is made up, so why not make up a version of reality that suits us? What suits you is _____. What suits Q is their made up belief. What suits Jamie is his made up beliefs.
Just saying something is so doesn’t make it so, but if we try hard enough, repeat it often enough and persuade some people to do this with us then it’s going to manifest as something that approximates the reality we are aiming for. Flying spaghetti monsters, manifesting wealth magically, willing a tool of the system into power and manipulating it to destroy evil forces, if you focus on it enough it becomes spoken into being even if that is just for you. I guess this is why public speaking is necessary, to bolster the reality of the meme so it seems more legitimately real.
The old thought was one way, one value, one ideal (whatever the dominant system was) and a handful of approved methods to achieve it. This was the way for virtually everyone, it was decided by leaders and broadcast through official organizations.
@@michaelnice93 I guess that's where my not understanding Jaime's point, comes in... Any serious student of New Thought would never describe what we are doing, as the same thing that Q-Anon and other conspiracy theorists are doing, just making stuff up, and convincing ourselves of it. Saying that that is what practitioners of N.T. are doing, sounds very much like a surface level, shallow, understanding of what N.T. is all about. And if that's what people think N.T. is all about, then that's a shame.
@@BeauSmithFtl Perhaps then, describe New Thought in a less shallow way?
The book is an eye open out wright scary.
compelling though crazy multivariable exponential information of an unintellectually unverifiable form
Fantastic talk! But one question, how do we arrive at a clear Metaphysics? The Western Tradition has been trying for millennia and there's always disputation.
There's also never been as many of us working together on it as there could be now
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Got you front and center. Great work 💯🔥
Radical hope means: collapse, survive and recreate! To me that’s more realistic than day dreaming about some kind of utopia that we know has no chance of emerging in the present moment.
Ken Wilber Lives! Yay!! 🤪
it persists because its a means of control
That Cinderella story... that is also drug addiction in a nuts shell. Many addicts are almost more addicted to the roller coaster of all the way down to up with their emotions, than they are the actual drug.
And his hair was perfect LOL
When do we get a meeting between Jamie and John Vervaeke?
Brilliant!
Isn’t Radical Hope another way of saying Faith. I don’t mean necessarily the religious use ?ut rather the spiritual step into the abyss with the faith that we will find our ground rather than fall to our death, even though there is every possibility we might do so!
What if we cannot breathe or drink water .....let alone grow food ...
Yup.
what you "set that aside" may be what completes the whole....
Still looking to buy the book but can't find it on Amazon. Any suggestions??
What a beautiful statement: "I'm not going to seek pleasure and avoid pain!" It's so against the grain of nowadays (leftist) culture. No one would pronounce these words unless he/ she has a sense of purpose and meaning in this life.
pleasure is subjective and 'leftist' is divisive thinking, pain could well be being experienced and therefore the driver of rebellion, not to seek pleasure but in response to pain. Many liberal thinkers knew very well that suffering is inevitable and it's how we suffer as humans is what is important, very much taking a leaf out of the Buddhists manual. Avoiding pain exists across the spectrum and is not just the left. You could say that the fundamental theists on the right are avoiding pain by avoiding reality.
@@saul_guudman May be you're right, and may be "leftist" is the wrong word, as no one knows what left and right in real terms nowadays. But yes, I'm divisive because I need to identify a mindset that promotes social oppression whether on the left or the right, whether theists or not. Conflict won't disappear; I only expect we'll be able to deal with it properly without the risk of extinction.
I’m sure this is an exciting
Book on par with Morris Berman‘s The ReEnchantment of the World, and Coming to our Senses, which I highly recommend. But I can’t help but wonder if there is no “thing” there really. institutions, governments organized religions are not supposed to give us our sense of meaning. They simply corral the human inclination towards meaning. He said it himself. Whether is the Catholic Church during the dark ages or the free market, these things did not create meaning for us they simply corralled human meaning simply to capitalize on it, plain will to power. Follow the money.
Meaning has always existed in greater or less or degree in each individual, just as we have varying levels of iron in our blood. Just because the state of our media does not reflect this very well doesn’t mean it’s not there. What we need is for our communication to better coverage of the meaning that people experience. They don’t discuss our iron levels either. Yet, the digital age in many ways has given us incredible tools to share our sense of meaning. Do you mean to tell me that somehow the 1980s had a way better sense of meaning in in wearing big shoulder pads mullets and dancing to the music of Madonna? And now we will have Neuro hackers explaining to us how to do psychedelics in some type of antiseptic manner? where’s the fun in that? Give me Jim Morrison dancing on the precipice of the apocalypse! Real genuine hedonism!
Or does it always have to be the mechanistic technician, Like Daedalus The cold rational scientist in Greek mythology who creates the labyrinth and nearly forgets to explain to us a way out?
And forming cults in any form is playing with fire, there will always be individuals who are more charismatic and rise up as leaders, just as there is an inherent inequality in nature. I say we are better off without any cults, become a cult of one. Or do we wanna go back to pushing a plow in the mid evil days as “the church bells softly chime”..,As in the song Senses Working Overtime by XTC, while “the guilty ones can all die slowly “?
The medium is the message, and channels like Rebel Wisdom are doing a great job exploring meaning in our lives. I am suspect of any anyone who tries to point out the lack of meaning in our lives, whether it’s organized Religion,Madison Avenue, or white tower intellectuals.
Schopenhauer himself said the more books you read the less intelligent you are, because you have no ideas of your own. Finding meaning is up to each individual, like in this song by Paul Westerberg Knocking on Mine:
“Read common knowledge stockpile your brain, you get burned in the sun you get wet in the rain,
roadmaps, pornography, anything you want to read,… I go sit in the field sometime! “
You see, poetry music and the arts celebrate and connect us to meaning in our lives more than anything else,
a direct line to the Mystery. Another thing that gets co-opted by the powers that be. As Neitszche pointed out,
“You don’t know how rich you are, until see what the rich have stolen from you.”
And if anything the past 20 years Have been destructive to the arts by creating such a noise and pulling the rug out from underneath the music business. But such is history. Each generation will have an instinct for meaning which can only be expressed through the arts in general. As long as we can keep health and vitality strong that is. We will be OK.
The greatest proponent for ancient Gnosticism is John Lamb Lash, comparative mythologist. His 2005 book "Not in His Image" is being reprinted this year and he is making regular videos again on his channel and is appearing as a frequent guest on Jeffrey Daugherty's channel - mind blowing content. I wonder if the Rebel crew dare bring JLL to their platform.
I second that. John Lamb Lash deserves inclusion. We cannot just keep propping up insider academics.
The grand-story is driven by the bottom line need to survive! No less true for this universe than this self that is You! If you want to recapture the rapture, stand or sit for one hour & watch reality change color, as the 1000 miles per hour rotation of the planet reveals the light-matter nature of 'what' we are? This universe evolved into a form that will ensure it's survival. In a multi-universe reality, all this has happened before and will happen again throughout eternity.