As always Gav, thanks for sharing with all of us all your knowledge about how to flight the A 320. This will help me a great deal as I usually make firm or hard landings. Landing is not an easy task, but your videos will motivate me to improve my landing techniques. Keep up the good work!
I came just to see how you did Skiathos as it's my happy place ;) In all my time flying I've only ever come in that way once, every other time has been the more scenic approach passing Skiathos Town. I was actually working a flight there in 2005 when a Swedish MD8X botched the landing, ballooned it but didn't go around and instead landed way too long and nearly went off the end and onto Xanemos Beach. With very heavy braking and a lot of weaving he stopped just short but had to be towed back as they couldn't turn around, we ended up with a good 4 or 5 hour delay on that one (still back then we were on flight pay and not sector pay so it was all good).
Thanks a lot for this great and very helpful video. As we are approaching X-Mas I have a little wish.😉 I would really appreciate a follow-up with some crosswind scenarios. THX agaien for your great support. Cheers.
alternate technqiue is to pre-flare at 100-200 feet by half a degree to hold the AOA so it the nose down pitch command isnt so aggressive and you have a buffer.
I think your advice to flare late with a headwind and early with a tailwind is correct but for the wrong reason. It's not a case of more or less wind over the wings since that depends only on your indicated airspeed. With a headwind, your ground speed is less and so, for a fixed glide slope angle. your vertical speed is less and that's why you can flare a bit later. You don't have as much rate of descent to get rid of. The opposite is true for a tailwind. Kind of a minor point. Nonetheless, an excellent video, very helpful.
I use to fly a lot to airports at high altitude, like Bogota (SKBO) what about landing up there?, does it changes the pitch by the elevation and thin air?
@@Easyjetsimpilot Do you fly the CS 777 by any chance? I'm having some issues with the salty mod where the 777 displays are white and the emergency slides are out. Its fine with the 767, but not with the 777.
Why does it feel as if the fenix doesn't want to flare when I start pulling at 30ft? it feels like it's is not responsive enough and I have to pull a lot, while the FBW A32nx seems more responsive during the flare and easier to land?
i have big difficulties in variable winds because some feet over the runways the plane almost always changes his pitch without any big input causing me to float but that happens also with strong headwind
Really well explained. Looking forward to trying them out. Could you tell me what graphics settings you have in msfs. I'm using rtx2080ti . Thanks Alan
Since I have switched from Toliss over to the Fenix, my landings have gotten very bad. The amount of stick input that I used for the Toliss is way to little for the Fenix. While I am trying to solve this, I noticed that I don't really have a flaring technique and that's why I luckily found your video - which helps a lot. I am too focused on the vertical speed. Instead I should look out on the runway and get used to the appropriate pitche angle. Time to get behind the computer and fly this wonderful airplane again.
Thank you Gav for the nice videos, but i have a question regarding the Fenix A320, i have noticed since Sim update 10 that the lower beacon lights are not reflected on the engines (especially if u look at the engines from inside the cabin)…i dont know is this related to the sim settings or the aircraft settings or is it normal?
Probably when you're manually flying the aircraft you 'look up'. Keep the instruments in your scan and then as your over the threshold, use the horizon to gague the flare.
So basically focus more on the altimeter and degrees of your pitch instead of focusing on the runway (still focusing on the center ofc but you know what i mean)
hello gav, I have a question to you. after SU11, I feel really hard to land smoothly, especially to perform flare. Float or bounce. Is that any change of aircraft flight model? before SU11, I could land with Fenix a320 very well, and I know well about the landing technique, So i think it is not the matter of documental knowledge about landing(flare timing, etc..) + Are you still using same setting with your previous video? I saw your previous video about TCA airbus stick sensitivity setting and I have used that setting.
I’ve noticed when the 320 goes into flare mode, there seems to be a big reduction in rolling the aircraft to adjust to the center line if you need to…. Is that normal? It’s like the roll control gets “mushy”. Is there a bank limiter that kicks in or something? Great video!
I'm a bit puzzled -- If you don't touch the stick during the last 30ft, then what exactly is causing the nose to lower if (a) the THS is fixed, and (b) the elevators are in direct law -- ie. only moving in direct response to the stick?
Hi there, In the real aircraft, how would the plane behave before touchdown? Let's assume we're at 140kts descending 900 ft/min Autothrottle on.Does the plane reduce the descent rate a bit around 50 ft or do we manually decrease the sink rate prior to proper start of the flaring at 30 ft?
You as pilot need to arrest the rate of descent. You'd ideally be doing around 700ft (normal 3° glide slope) the you'd look at flaring at around 30ft, but again, the place where you begin the flare can change, as outlined in this video
Last year I was in a real simulator used by TAP Air Portugal pilots during the pandemic and I was told that, in a normal flaps full and no wind landing, in real life, pilots start flaring at 80 feet because the airplane takes a few seconds to respond. Can you please you confirm this?
I've never heard of a pilot flaring as early as 80ft, but I'm also not familiar with TAP SOPs. Flaring at 80ft would be before the aircraft entered Flare Law which does seem very peculiar and could lead to a long landing.
At 2:38 you say there’s a direct relationship between the THS (Trimmable Horizontal Stabilser) to the side stick. A slight error there. At 50 ft the THS is frozen. The relationship between the side stick is to the elevators. The video is a bit misleading as it’s a replay because it’s showing full up elevator. At 50 ft the THS is frozen and your side stick deflection then just directly controls elevator deflection with no auto trim getting involved. 👍
I have been consistently getting -250 fpm landings. My first landing at the end of a five hour flight after watching this video was -66 fpm. Thanks! 🙏
My smoothest was like -300 fpm
@@Vx14021not to brag but my best is -19 ;)
Having a long flight then making a terrible landing is so painful 💀 glad you were able to have a satisfying landing after 5 hours
Use the A330 😂
my smoothest linding was -84 fpm
As always Gav, thanks for sharing with all of us all your knowledge about how to flight the A 320. This will help me a great deal as I usually make firm or hard landings. Landing is not an easy task, but your videos will motivate me to improve my landing techniques. Keep up the good work!
Beautifully done video, super well explained and nicely to the point.
Life saving video… well virtually. My landing gear thanks you sir.
Great video, this is definitely going to help me with my landing quality. Thankyou! :)
Very well explained love it
I came just to see how you did Skiathos as it's my happy place ;) In all my time flying I've only ever come in that way once, every other time has been the more scenic approach passing Skiathos Town. I was actually working a flight there in 2005 when a Swedish MD8X botched the landing, ballooned it but didn't go around and instead landed way too long and nearly went off the end and onto Xanemos Beach. With very heavy braking and a lot of weaving he stopped just short but had to be towed back as they couldn't turn around, we ended up with a good 4 or 5 hour delay on that one (still back then we were on flight pay and not sector pay so it was all good).
Thank you very much! Adjusted my camera position at lower position and my landings are now much better 😂 what an amazing trick😊
Really usefull, thanks !!
Thanks a lot for this great and very helpful video. As we are approaching X-Mas I have a little wish.😉 I would really appreciate a follow-up with some crosswind scenarios. THX agaien for your great support. Cheers.
Spot on!
alternate technqiue is to pre-flare at 100-200 feet by half a degree to hold the AOA so it the nose down pitch command isnt so aggressive and you have a buffer.
thank u so much.
I think your advice to flare late with a headwind and early with a tailwind is correct but for the wrong reason. It's not a case of more or less wind over the wings since that depends only on your indicated airspeed. With a headwind, your ground speed is less and so, for a fixed glide slope angle. your vertical speed is less and that's why you can flare a bit later. You don't have as much rate of descent to get rid of. The opposite is true for a tailwind. Kind of a minor point. Nonetheless, an excellent video, very helpful.
I use to fly a lot to airports at high altitude, like Bogota (SKBO) what about landing up there?, does it changes the pitch by the elevation and thin air?
First video about MSFS landing that focuses on a steady and safe landing and not a "buttery" one. Thanks.
Thank you 👍
@@Easyjetsimpilot Do you fly the CS 777 by any chance? I'm having some issues with the salty mod where the 777 displays are white and the emergency slides are out. Its fine with the 767, but not with the 777.
Afraid not. If I ever flew a 777 it would be entertaining as I'd have no idea what to do 🤣
Why does it feel as if the fenix doesn't want to flare when I start pulling at 30ft? it feels like it's is not responsive enough and I have to pull a lot, while the FBW A32nx seems more responsive during the flare and easier to land?
I really need one of these for the Airbus A310 cuz boy have I been slamming that thing down!
Bro please can you tell is this same for Aerosoft A320
Thanks for making this video understandable. May I also ask at which point do you actually put the thrust levers to idle?
Usually around 30ft.
i have big difficulties in variable winds because some feet over the runways the plane almost always changes his pitch without any big input causing me to float but that happens also with strong headwind
The blackhole effect is real.
Hello thank you for super video. Please can you share prtscr of sensitivity settings TCA Aribus for Fenix. Thanks
There's a video on the channel showing this 👍
Really well explained. Looking forward to trying them out. Could you tell me what graphics settings you have in msfs. I'm using rtx2080ti .
Thanks Alan
I have a video on the channel going through my graphics settings.
Since I have switched from Toliss over to the Fenix, my landings have gotten very bad. The amount of stick input that I used for the Toliss is way to little for the Fenix. While I am trying to solve this, I noticed that I don't really have a flaring technique and that's why I luckily found your video - which helps a lot. I am too focused on the vertical speed. Instead I should look out on the runway and get used to the appropriate pitche angle. Time to get behind the computer and fly this wonderful airplane again.
Looks at pitch angles. You should go from 2 degrees to 5 degrees (@140kts), that's how you always flare.
Thank you Gav for the nice videos, but i have a question regarding the Fenix A320, i have noticed since Sim update 10 that the lower beacon lights are not reflected on the engines (especially if u look at the engines from inside the cabin)…i dont know is this related to the sim settings or the aircraft settings or is it normal?
I hadn't noticed. 🤔
I take the thrust out completely at about 150 knots and flare out so far it works well
Where does this visual perspective come in, where you change your attention from the overall view towards looking at the end of the runway?
Probably when you're manually flying the aircraft you 'look up'. Keep the instruments in your scan and then as your over the threshold, use the horizon to gague the flare.
Could You advice how to configure the screen properly to get the correct real life captains perspective?
It should be at lower positions, try different positions to get proper flares. I lowered my position and now getting much better landings.
So basically focus more on the altimeter and degrees of your pitch instead of focusing on the runway (still focusing on the center ofc but you know what i mean)
Again a very helpful video. I really needed this as I am struggling a bit with my landings; more so with the PMDG A738 than the A320!
Same for me, all of a sudden it has become difficult for me to judge the flare in the PMDG 737(-800), I thinks SU11 has something to do with it
hello gav, I have a question to you. after SU11, I feel really hard to land smoothly, especially to perform flare. Float or bounce. Is that any change of aircraft flight model? before SU11, I could land with Fenix a320 very well, and I know well about the landing technique, So i think it is not the matter of documental knowledge about landing(flare timing, etc..) + Are you still using same setting with your previous video? I saw your previous video about TCA airbus stick sensitivity setting and I have used that setting.
Yes, all settings are the same. Since SU11 things became more realistic - which incidentally means more difficult 👍
@@Easyjetsimpilot okay:D I will try more practices thx gav!
Does the default A320NEO also flare by itself at 30ft or just the Fenix/FBW?
I honestly can't remember as I've not flown it for ages.
I’ve noticed when the 320 goes into flare mode, there seems to be a big reduction in rolling the aircraft to adjust to the center line if you need to…. Is that normal? It’s like the roll control gets “mushy”. Is there a bank limiter that kicks in or something? Great video!
I never realised the aircraft pitching down , usually I'm pulling back anyway ... Is this modelled in the FBW A320 or just the Fenix for now ?
As far as I recall, the FBW does it too.
@@Easyjetsimpilot thank you
May I ask, what airport are you landing at 1:20?
Lisbon, Portugal.
I'm a bit puzzled -- If you don't touch the stick during the last 30ft, then what exactly is causing the nose to lower if (a) the THS is fixed, and (b) the elevators are in direct law -- ie. only moving in direct response to the stick?
The THS is fixed at 50ft, it's then begins to lower the nose at 30ft.
@@Easyjetsimpilot Ah, thanks!
Hi there,
In the real aircraft, how would the plane behave before touchdown? Let's assume we're at 140kts descending 900 ft/min Autothrottle on.Does the plane reduce the descent rate a bit around 50 ft or do we manually decrease the sink rate prior to proper start of the flaring at 30 ft?
I don't think it does and at 30 ft it will actually pitch your nose down, so you need to counter that.
You as pilot need to arrest the rate of descent. You'd ideally be doing around 700ft (normal 3° glide slope) the you'd look at flaring at around 30ft, but again, the place where you begin the flare can change, as outlined in this video
I’ve been flaring early to to harshly, now I understand why I’m floating on 🤔
That’s my issue I either hit little to rough or float to far down the runway so frustrating. Do you do auto trim?
I knew i wasn't going crazy when the plane would freeze up right before landing
Are you doing EZT1896 this evening? I can hear you on 133.700
Not me 😁
@@Easyjetsimpilot I private messaged the person, he said no. Sounded like you aha
Last year I was in a real simulator used by TAP Air Portugal pilots during the pandemic and I was told that, in a normal flaps full and no wind landing, in real life, pilots start flaring at 80 feet because the airplane takes a few seconds to respond. Can you please you confirm this?
I've never heard of a pilot flaring as early as 80ft, but I'm also not familiar with TAP SOPs.
Flaring at 80ft would be before the aircraft entered Flare Law which does seem very peculiar and could lead to a long landing.
@@Easyjetsimpilot Thanks you very much, I was feeling that it was not correct. Regards
Is this also applicable for A320 Fbw? Thanks
Yes.
Which is the first airport with runway 20?
The First airport is Doha, however the airport with runway 20, I can't remember.
At 2:38 you say there’s a direct relationship between the THS (Trimmable Horizontal Stabilser) to the side stick. A slight error there. At 50 ft the THS is frozen. The relationship between the side stick is to the elevators. The video is a bit misleading as it’s a replay because it’s showing full up elevator. At 50 ft the THS is frozen and your side stick deflection then just directly controls elevator deflection with no auto trim getting involved. 👍
I've seen replays before with spoilers up all the way down 🙈 hopefully will get fixed in the future.
Would you not let him believe he's actually correct about something for once? 😂😂😂
@@notleks2411 Sorry. Apart from that minor error it was all very good. 😁
Does anyone here know how to flare? Your supposed to touchdown on the back wheels then smoothly and slowly onto the front one
Just wondering if everything is the same on the base game a320
It should be.
Perfect thanks
Ahh. So this is how Ryan Air does it.
Why do you have landing speeds of 135 kts, shouldn't it be 140 kts?
Landing speeds differ depending on weight, weather etc. There is no set landing speed.
How do i get this simulator?
Available from Steam, Ms Store or Xbox.
After multiple tries i got -54 FPM👀
I kept crashing
totally not watching this on final app
🤣