The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel season 3 episode 8: Midge and Benjamin cafe figth -PART 2-
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2022
- The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel season 3 episode 8
TIME 39:58
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"and then coming back together would have been sensational"
this line. dagger in Midge fkn heart. All she can say is please don't go even if she's the one who left him in the air.
As much as I love Midge as a character, I totally agree with Benjamin here. You can't form a relationship like that, blow it off with a letter and expect the other to be okay with it. People do that today with ghosting.
However, I still appreciate this show for acknowledging that every character has flaws, even Midge. So many other movies/shows try to make their leads flawless which vicariously and ironically make them unintentionally flawed. Midge is a very likable character, but she still has flaws. She doesn't always know how to handle a situation. It definitely doesn't justify what she did to Benjamin, but it makes her more human.
Yeah Ben was right. She didn't even give him a chance. She never gave him the chance he deserved.
I just got the same experience last month and I don't know if I want to continue the show
I just hated her for what she did to Benjamin. She didn't left him because she thought he wouldn't be supportive, she did that because she didn't care enough. From the beginning she knew she wasn't in love with him, but it didn't matter as long as she was getting married. Cheating on him with the guy who left her for the secretary was the worst of it!
Right?! I cannot stomach the show now, it really stained Midge for me. I really really don’t like cheaters, it made watching the show impossible
I waited for him to re appear till the end😢
This is the reason why I stopped watching when she dumped him. Their chemistry was great and he seemed like the guy who would’ve supported her no matter what. The show would’ve been more interesting seeing her trying to balance a married life while pursuing a career
I knew she wasn't going to marry him in that scene when she and Susie were in trouble with some guy and Susie was locked in a room, and Midge called Joel to help them instead of Benjamin. And also this is an Amy Sherman-Palladino show, Benjamin was like a Max Medina.
Right!? Watching the episodes out of context I would never have realized she had a boyfriend at the time.
Damn
Which sucks! Max was a gentleman and accepted Lorelai just the way she was 😔
Just like Bejamin, he was great for Midge
I knew it too, but i’m still mad about it. Ben was too good of a guy to be just a filler in Midge’s romantic life 😭😭😭
@@enchanting_elizabeth Max also barely knew Lorelai when they got engaged.
Benjamin: "You broke my heart, Miriam"
Lenny: "You will break my f***ing heart"
You noticed that too.
Midge is breaking the heart of the men that deeply love her like Ben or in the future Lenny because I think the man she wholeheartedly loved broke her heart, Joel!
Exactly! I’m glad you caught that too!
Everyone's talking about whether or not Benjamin would've suited Midge or if they should've ended up together, but I think that's missing the point of this scene. This is as much about Benjamin's POV as it is about Midge's.
The thing is that Benjamin could've, might've, been okay and compatible with Midge's career and choices, but Midge thought she's got men like Benjamin and Joel figured out and would automatically know how they would've reacted. And Benjamin tells her that no, she did not really know that, not for sure.
And it's refreshing and nice because the show does not shy away from calling Midge - its female hero - out for her arrogance. As Midge begins to find her footing, she also starts to become wilful and arrogantly assured, and she's going through this ego phase of 'finding out how much she controls everything'. And in that arrogance, she's assuming that she knows Benjamin because 'she knows men'. And then the show tells us upfront that she doesn't.
It reminded me of years ago, when I was first called out by an ex-girlfriend for presupposing how women think and react, because I 'know women' or something, and I never forgot that. And this show goes the opposite way and reminds us that as assured as a woman is of how 'men are' as a group, men can be just as diverse and hard to categorically lump together, and just because one knows Joel doesn't mean one knows Benjamin. Hell, we all thought we had Joel figured out in season 1, and we're surprised to see him develop. It tells us that both us and Midge could be fools who fancy themselves wise, and that going through it and moving away from it is an essential stage of growing as a person. In season 4 the same point is made in the Carnegie Hall scene - once again, Midge has to be taken out of the clouds and out of her perceived stature, or what she's convinced 'must be', and get to learn as the rest of us do, no matter how talented and special she is.
Thank you for putting it into words Omg
Very eloquently put.
Benjamin deserves more!
This is one of my favorite scenes in the series because of how accurately the emotions are portrayed by the actors. It is uncomfortable, and if you've been on the giving or receiving (or each) end of this interaction in life, you understand how poignant it is to experience this. There is something cathartic and uneasy about watching this scene play out and finding mirrors that personally resonate with you.
I think that all three men in her life, Joel, Benjamin and Lenny fit perfectly with one particular side of Midge. Joel fit perfectly with Midge as a young girl, when she was a Jewish American princess. Benjamin fit well with the divorced, more experienced wife and mother Midge. And Lenny is the perfect match for the comedian Midge, the artist and boheme.
I hate how the show forgot about him. Joel was the love of her life, Lenny was her twin flame, but Benjamin was perfect for her
this show is almost perfect, were there parts where she annoyed me? yes, lots of times, but still, this show is incredible
Midge was right, it would not have worked, but for the wrong reasons. She didn't trust him, and she only saw him as a consolation prize for giving up on stand-up. She implied as much in the conversation. And it would have gotten to him eventually, Midge has no boundaries; we saw what happened with Shy.
As much as I like Lenny, but I would love that Ben and Midge end up together. But if they did get married, the story would not turn out like it was going, it would stop! Because we know that as much as she loves comic, she would put her family first :(
Not really, she was a great wife, but not much of a mother, and after her stand up, she will never go back to be the same.
Yeah I don't know... She does have two kids and that didn't stop her from going on tour. She could have made it work with Benjamin if he was supportive.
She would never put her family first. :D
Miriam did him diiirtyy! Guy didn’t deserved that exit.
I hate the costume they have her in for this scene.
She's always so chic and put together, the costumes in this show are some of the best I've ever seen, but oh my God this outfit makes her look like a drunk clown
I was thinking the same thing!
I think it's deliberate, it shows that she's not on stable footing right here and she's uneasy. It just adds to the overall discomfort of the scene honestly; nobody is happy, nothing is going right, and her outfit reflects that.
And then she blew up the Shy Baldwin opportunity because she’s just a whirlwind of destruction.
We need benjamin back!!!
This scene broke my heart but it’s true she didn’t really love him not in the way he loved her
Does this make story sense? Absolutely. She absolutely abandoned him and that’s unacceptable. But GOD DAMNIT I want them back together!!! They would have been so good together, and he would have loved her for who she is and supported her her whole career (without the judgement and baggage that Joel brings). I know the spoilers said that later in her life she marries over and over, and so many celebrities, but Benjamin really felt like the one
Well, I really liked Benjamin but it was clear right from the beginning that Midge never loved him. He was too much similar to the world she was about to leave, he was a better well behaved and matured Joel, he had nothing to do with Midge life.
And even if probabily he wuld be smart enough to not feel insulted by the gigs as Joel was, I don't think that in the long run he would like Miriam life with the constantly go out at nights and not be here in the mondane stuff and not be a mother (which Midge definitely is not). And I don't think she likes Joel anymore in that way, he is just somebody she is used to be related at, who knows her and where she can go when she feel overbearing.
At this point, I really think Midge needs to be fully and complete by herself, not defined by any kind of man.
Of course there is Lenny, but Lenny is more like the comic impersonifed, he is more a mentor than a lover, like an alert of which the comic can be: the good and the bad. She constantly looked up at him as an example, but in the last two seasons she is starting to grasp also the bad parts of the comic job, the loneliness, the dependence personality (from alchol and drugs), the censure and the possibility that the true comic will led her to end up completely eparated from daylight. When Lenny finally spoke his truths about the comic job, Midge realized that she was wrong all along and this will be good to start renew.
I think this will be a good mirror to find her balance to be successful but not to end up like Lenny, who was pretty much consumed by his own passion.
Joel and Ben don't fit at all in this picture.
What I thought was interesting is that we may be seeing a reversal of the relationships between Lenny and Midge and Joel and Midge. In the beginning Lenny and Midge started out a friendship of mutual respect, comradory, and affection whereas Joel and Midge started with affection and likely lust so they never really had a friendship, but as they try to navigate co-parent hood and whatever their new relationship is it does seem like a friendship of sorts. Meanwhile Lenny and Midge are developing that romantic element which is very interesting to see.
@@krisynthiagomez5883 cool point of view! I agree!
Esta es una de mis escenas favoritas
Ben deserves wayyy better
Regardless of the logistics, they weren’t soulmates. She didn’t love him enough, I’m not sure he would forever either.
They as a couple makes a lot of sense. He gives one thing that Midge really lacks: stability. He supported her dream and also wanted to advance this relationship to a marriage. They can be a great couple
In a way, this scene reveals one serious pitfall of feminism: they assume all the men are too arrogant and misogynistic to be tolerant. However the truth is there are quite a lot of men like Benjamin that really understood and supported women’s dream. They are confident enough not to get intimidated by a strong woman. It’s a shame that they did not work out and Midge did not realize that she had a chance to have a strong relationship and work things out with Benjamin until this moment. Too bad that he has already left. 🙁
I don't know if I can get behind a known character flaw (Miriam *always* knowing she's 5 steps ahead of everyone - she's not, we know that) being a pitfall of a societal movement for equality among the sexes.
If anything, I think it show's Miriam's lack of connection with the Feminist Movement to take listen to all voices in the conversation and to make a non-biased, best decision. Honestly, the way she acts here, and with the relationship with Benjamin, is a traditionally male role (especially considering the time). She may have written the Dear John letter, but that just proves she was heading this relationship and she treated it as a man would, deciding things for Benjamin, just like Joel decided things for her. Without even considering Benjamin. She chose for him. And She broke his heart.
@@TheHomerowKeys That toxic trait of making that decision for the man is indicative of modern feminism though. She fell victim to the feminist trap of being shackled by her own success. Instead of talking it out with him she choose for him and she was the only one who got what she wanted and in the end she found it wanting when it didn't work out just like most modern feminist. I do agree however with your point of her heading the relationship she was standing in her masculine which is what feminism ironically encourages
@@PIDURULZ Feminism, in its root, is equality between the sexes, to come together as equals and not overpower one or the other.
A disparity in that "power dynamic" is inherently un-Feminist because the ideal is to form an equal dynamic.
For there to be a "feminist trap" doesn't make sense in what the definition of feminism is. Honestly, she's acting in the Male Power Struggle and just acting within male sexism.
She is acting how men act within sexism.
Basically, Benjamin is the honest Feminist here and she just acted against the whole movement by engaging in Chauvinism.
(I'm not engaging with a term like "modern feminism" because it's just a call to disenfranchise "feminism" as "women who wish to hold power over men" which is not feminism)
@@TheHomerowKeys yeah see the problem with that whole I'm ignoring the thing that you said because it doesn't gel well with my argument is it doesn't change the fact that modern feminism and the true feminism in which you speak are completely different. I actually agree with you when looking at it through the lens of true feminism the way that feminism was intended to be which was equality between the genders then I can see your point of view the problem is you're looking at it from a very idealistic point of view yes the show is based in the past but it's written by the people of today with there own personal biases and all the modern sensibilities that afflict us today so at face value your statements are true until you realize that that first wave feminism your talking about no longer exist and this new wave toxic fem centric ideology has unfortunately taking its place and you don't have to take my word for it numerous women's rights activists of the past have come out and spoken out about this new age feminism. How it directly goes against what they fought for but when they dare to speak out about it there met with hate and contempt by the same women preaching what you do wether you want to engage with the word or ignore it doesn't matter reality does not adhere to your social constructs food for thought
Midge was mad for not marrying this guy
Benjamin asked Midge to marry him entirely too fast! They hadn’t been dating that long and she was still legally married to Joel. She was a mother of two children and a comic. These two would not have been compatible in the long run. Benjamin didn’t like any one. His mom made that clear. I think he liked Midge because of the novelty and chaos that she brought to his uneventful perfectly manicured world. He was clearly more in to her then she was in to him. I feel like on a subconscious level he wanted her because he couldn’t fully have her. She wasn’t going to be a housewife or have more children because what she really wanted was a career! That’s what she really loved.
He put her on the spot in public. I believe she didn't tell him the truth about her reasons for not marrying him that were given in the letter he destroyed. Her parents guessed it correctly.
why are the people in the background watching and not involved with their own meal?
This is part 2 of the video, it’ll be clearer if you watch part 1. Midge is sitting with them when Benjamin comes in.
@@jessicab2202 YES thanks I get it now!
That part was so the opposite of native New Yorkers. The only thing we'll openly gawk at is a proposal and then we return to our table's meal/conversation. We'll definitely ear hustle but never be caught staring, staring is rude.
@@theechubbyone are you implying new yorkers care about being rude?
Midge was right and the argument for Benjamin was a moot point.