So much grace was given from The Rev. Dr. Cone toward that imbecile. “We are in different worlds” is a powerful statement in the face of hate. Thankful for the timeless words Dr. Cone’s ministry gave us.
I just heard that part of the video. I had never watched the question and answer portion and was stunned at that man’s disrespect and tone toward Dr. Cone. Dr. Cone was so gracious, so gentle and yet so devastating all at once
Thanks for recording and sharing this video. Q&A time was really good to listen in on. I think Dr. Cone handled the heckler at 1:10:42 better than I ever could have. Much respect.
+E.Sanborne I stumbled on this lecture simply because I wanted to clarify a term that I have heard for many years and believe I know and understand the meaning but never took the time actually look-up the meaning. The term is 'moral compass'. It led me here after five google searches, expanding on the idea including classical education which I know little about also from landscape perspective. I am a man without a college or university degree and who forgot that I love to learn and THINK DEEPER than society would permit us. So not knowing anything about this organisation or the speaker ... I want to thank you so MUCH hug x. It is likely I would not have listened to the whole video but thank you lady for adding the timed sequence when the heckler announced himself. You don't know how that answer or rebuttal has helped me tackle the prickly wordy subject of race with my 18, 20, 25 year black sons... Whilst we try to get along together we are indeed often in totally (different worlds).
+2b02b By the way, this speaker (Dr. James Cone) is amazing. I'm a minister, so I read his books in seminary, but I highly recommend checking out his writing. Valuable. Your sons might have that "different world" from you a little bit, sure, but not as much different as this speaker and the heckler. Best wishes to you.
People who engage in liberation theology or marxist class struggle often live in a word orthogonal to reality. I don't disagree. The difference between a classical liberal and liberation types is that liberals are willing to let people have their things and beliefs. Liberation types always want to redistribute wealth and enforce their dogma. Envy is a sin.
Indeed. I was astounded at the question, but not surprised. White people have a hard time understanding, feeling, thinking, of the other world. It's a reason to keep struggling, keep moving forward. The young man at 1:16:30 was exactly right. Not divisive. Keep listening to each other.
The question was a legitimate inquiry about a real concern. There was no disrespect in the way it was asked, and I find that Dr. Cone offered no real answer but instead attempted to isolate the gentleman and turn the audience against him. Is this how we will ensure equality for all? Will the peddlers of liberation theology today push it perpetually for secondary gain, playing the blame and shame game just to satisfy a desire for vengeance? When will we resume the hard work of ensuring that every American is offered equal opportunities and the pursuit of individual happiness as written in the founding documents?
@@rafal5863 So are greed and hording. I think that for many of us, we are not so much advocating for ourselves, but for the poor generally. Envy doesn't really enter into the picture.
What solution to the problem was offered by Dr. Cone? I don't get the sense that he has much desire to find one. It seems more like he would rather preach the same 'woe is us' message and seek retribution instead of solutions.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
Without concealing or minimizing the very real history of blacks in America, we can perpetually preach a campaign of guilt, shame, and blame, or we can offer every possible chance for equal opportunity to every American. Dr. Cone has chosen the former, while anyone with a genuine interest in the future welfare of black Americans would choose to ensure the latter.
At least he admits that his theology is not biblically based. 18:30 The starting point for his theology is the shed blood of black people in US history.
23:00 "Black power is the gospel of Jesus" Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
For if you would asked God to kill all child molesters he may reply and ask should I kill all them that lie and you may reply no God and he would say but all sin to me is the same then you may not judge but only God judges
@@gusdad4811 Thank you. It was a serious question. Because most folks in my view that practice black liberation theology have a strong dislike for the white culture. I get what the religion premise is..free yourself from control of the white controlled system. But rarely do we see someone who wants that and doesnt take it out on existing white folks.
@@FedUpSista but people that love all people dont see race. Those practicing black liberation theology, by definition with color in the name...see race. hypocritical by nature.
As Jesus said you without sin May cast the first stone. Where were his anger toward the tribes the captured other tribes and sold them into slavery and the tribes that were sold into slavery did they not have slaves did they ever kill are they blameless without sin when God looks at us he sees all of us as The Sinner not one sin better than another
Max Randolph You're obfuscating and using strawnen arguments in a failed attempt to rebuttal Cones position. Cone is very clear about the premise of his life work and his legacy continues to inform cross-cultural discussions on the effects of racism and oppression. Your thoughts on the subject, on the other hand, are comparatively useless.
Dr. Cone has no intention of trying to solve any problems of black people. His words clearly show that his primary objective is to depict the black population as being in a state of perpetual persecution, to cast blame and foment racial unrest. Retribution against their captors is his goal, not solutions.
41:40 "Jesus died for the liberation of the oppressed" That is a false Jesus. That Jesus does not exist and cannot save. The Jesus of the bible died for sinners who sinned against God, to save them from God's wrath on their sins. The Jesus of the bible did not die to save the oppressed from sins committed against them. This turns the oppressed into God, because God is the one who was sinned against, not man. Romans 5:6-9 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous person; though perhaps for the good person someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
But Jesus did come to save us. That is what he is emphasizing. Just as Moses saved the Jews in Egypt. I don't think we should assume that he believes all black Americans are sinless. He didn't say they were. He did say they were sinned against, yes. But, I think there is a clear implication that their suffering can be a corrupting influence on their character. "No one knows the trouble I've seen" -- doesn't just mean what Uncle Charlie did to him.
There were black slave owners and there were other countries that also bought slaves so why is it that only white Christians and America seems to be where he points his finger that seems odd doesn't it
@@glendaclark1799 It is enshrined in the Declaration and the Constitution. An ideal to strive for, which the Civil War and Civil Rights "nobly advanced." We should be grateful that we were set on such a path by the Founders.
paul thomas: The 400 year white interpretation of the bible= code for " How can I butcher virtually ever race but mine, and convince not only the people who knew what I was doing, but those that I did it to that it was the "will of Jeeeeeesus" In other words devil. STFU
The story of jesus is a myth and christianity is insanity...building a movement based on the tenets of this religion is a recipe for failure. YHWH is One...There is no Savior but Him. No King But Him and all was created By Him ...
So much grace was given from The Rev. Dr. Cone toward that imbecile.
“We are in different worlds” is a powerful statement in the face of hate. Thankful for the timeless words Dr. Cone’s ministry gave us.
I just heard that part of the video. I had never watched the question and answer portion and was stunned at that man’s disrespect and tone toward Dr. Cone. Dr. Cone was so gracious, so gentle and yet so devastating all at once
Thanks for recording and sharing this video. Q&A time was really good to listen in on. I think Dr. Cone handled the heckler at 1:10:42 better than I ever could have. Much respect.
+E.Sanborne I stumbled on this lecture simply because I wanted to clarify a term that I have heard for many years and believe I know and understand the meaning but never took the time actually look-up the meaning. The term is 'moral compass'. It led me here after five google searches, expanding on the idea including classical education which I know little about also from landscape perspective.
I am a man without a college or university degree and who forgot that I love to learn and THINK DEEPER than society would permit us. So not knowing anything about this organisation or the speaker ... I want to thank you so MUCH hug x.
It is likely I would not have listened to the whole video but thank you lady for adding the timed sequence when the heckler announced himself.
You don't know how that answer or rebuttal has helped me tackle the prickly wordy subject of race with my 18, 20, 25 year black sons... Whilst we try to get along together we are indeed often in totally (different worlds).
+2b02b you're welcome. Peace, brother.
+2b02b By the way, this speaker (Dr. James Cone) is amazing. I'm a minister, so I read his books in seminary, but I highly recommend checking out his writing. Valuable. Your sons might have that "different world" from you a little bit, sure, but not as much different as this speaker and the heckler. Best wishes to you.
One of my Favorite People... Rev.Dr. James Cone
Benjamin Wright my favorite person dr khalid abdul muhammad
Thank you. I had heard the term black liberation theology and didn't know what it meant.
He is the reason I study the work of Dwight N. Hopkins.
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The man at the 1:11:00 presented a question through white eyes and Dr James gave the proper answer. We live in different worlds.
People who engage in liberation theology or marxist class struggle often live in a word orthogonal to reality. I don't disagree. The difference between a classical liberal and liberation types is that liberals are willing to let people have their things and beliefs. Liberation types always want to redistribute wealth and enforce their dogma.
Envy is a sin.
Indeed. I was astounded at the question, but not surprised. White people have a hard time understanding, feeling, thinking, of the other world. It's a reason to keep struggling, keep moving forward. The young man at 1:16:30 was exactly right. Not divisive. Keep listening to each other.
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The question was a legitimate inquiry about a real concern. There was no disrespect in the way it was asked, and I find that Dr. Cone offered no real answer but instead attempted to isolate the gentleman and turn the audience against him. Is this how we will ensure equality for all? Will the peddlers of liberation theology today push it perpetually for secondary gain, playing the blame and shame game just to satisfy a desire for vengeance? When will we resume the hard work of ensuring that every American is offered equal opportunities and the pursuit of individual happiness as written in the founding documents?
@@rafal5863 So are greed and hording. I think that for many of us, we are not so much advocating for ourselves, but for the poor generally. Envy doesn't really enter into the picture.
🗣️"We live in different worlds" James Cone.
What solution to the problem was offered by Dr. Cone? I don't get the sense that he has much desire to find one. It seems more like he would rather preach the same 'woe is us' message and seek retribution instead of solutions.
so let's pray and plead the blood of Jesus
Yes, Yes, Yes.
"We have to see ourselves in other people when they see other people suffer."
Where did all my comments and those of others who watched livestream go?
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
speaker: James Cone (1938-2008).
The truth
The is JJ Jackson ……
Without concealing or minimizing the very real history of blacks in America, we can perpetually preach a campaign of guilt, shame, and blame, or we can offer every possible chance for equal opportunity to every American. Dr. Cone has chosen the former, while anyone with a genuine interest in the future welfare of black Americans would choose to ensure the latter.
Faith without works is dead.
We must continue to do the work.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image...
BLT 1:26 Then we said, "Let us make Jesus in our image...
At least he admits that his theology is not biblically based.
18:30 The starting point for his theology is the shed blood of black people in US history.
I think he did say that Christian theology in America should be interpreted through the experience of slavery.
23:00 "Black power is the gospel of Jesus"
Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
Frightening. And this separatist tripe has become main stream.
For if you would asked God to kill all child molesters he may reply and ask should I kill all them that lie and you may reply no God and he would say but all sin to me is the same then you may not judge but only God judges
Quite interesting that the White Christian Bible Belt Death Penalty stat es don't ask that qn. They ll them. Similar to how they lyn
can you be white and practice black liberation theology? Or do you have to dislike white people?
This is the most insightful post on this board. Sadly, It sailed right over the heads of most readers.
@@gusdad4811 Thank you. It was a serious question. Because most folks in my view that practice black liberation theology have a strong dislike for the white culture. I get what the religion premise is..free yourself from control of the white controlled system. But rarely do we see someone who wants that and doesnt take it out on existing white folks.
No. You just have to love ALL people.
@@FedUpSista but people that love all people dont see race. Those practicing black liberation theology, by definition with color in the name...see race. hypocritical by nature.
As Jesus said you without sin May cast the first stone. Where were his anger toward the tribes the captured other tribes and sold them into slavery and the tribes that were sold into slavery did they not have slaves did they ever kill are they blameless without sin when God looks at us he sees all of us as The Sinner not one sin better than another
Max Randolph You're obfuscating and using strawnen arguments in a failed attempt to rebuttal Cones position. Cone is very clear about the premise of his life work and his legacy continues to inform cross-cultural discussions on the effects of racism and oppression. Your thoughts on the subject, on the other hand, are comparatively useless.
There is no justification for slavery......
Dr. Cone has no intention of trying to solve any problems of black people. His words clearly show that his primary objective is to depict the black population as being in a state of perpetual persecution, to cast blame and foment racial unrest. Retribution against their captors is his goal, not solutions.
41:40 "Jesus died for the liberation of the oppressed"
That is a false Jesus. That Jesus does not exist and cannot save. The Jesus of the bible died for sinners who sinned against God, to save them from God's wrath on their sins. The Jesus of the bible did not die to save the oppressed from sins committed against them. This turns the oppressed into God, because God is the one who was sinned against, not man.
Romans 5:6-9 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous person; though perhaps for the good person someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Theology of division
But Jesus did come to save us. That is what he is emphasizing. Just as Moses saved the Jews in Egypt.
I don't think we should assume that he believes all black Americans are sinless. He didn't say they were. He did say they were sinned against, yes. But, I think there is a clear implication that their suffering can be a corrupting influence on their character. "No one knows the trouble I've seen" -- doesn't just mean what Uncle Charlie did to him.
There were black slave owners and there were other countries that also bought slaves so why is it that only white Christians and America seems to be where he points his finger that seems odd doesn't it
I'll take a guess...he was born and raised and educated and lived here.
Because white Christians in America created a country that was founded on the idea that EVERYONE would be treated EQUALLY.
Because America is the one with the biggest mouth preaching freedom and Liberties and doesn't follow it's own hypocritical ideals.
And Africans supplied the trade; and slavery did not end there until the 1980s. None of this will EVER be addressed by these folks.
@@glendaclark1799 It is enshrined in the Declaration and the Constitution. An ideal to strive for, which the Civil War and Civil Rights "nobly advanced." We should be grateful that we were set on such a path by the
Founders.
Crap!
""black liberation theology"" = code for ""how do i express my hatred for white people and be accepted socially about it??""
paul thomas you sick dude
thats all black liberation theology is...the religion of hating white people. that is what is sick.
paul thomas just like Evangelicals... They used Christianity to support white supremacy.
No, but you have to admit, black liberation theology is just a mask for hating white people. very true.
paul thomas: The 400 year white interpretation of the bible= code for " How can I butcher virtually ever race but mine, and convince not only the people who knew what I was doing, but those that I did it to that it was the "will of Jeeeeeesus" In other words devil. STFU
The story of jesus is a myth and christianity is insanity...building a movement based on the tenets of this religion is a recipe for failure. YHWH is One...There is no Savior but Him. No King But Him and all was created By Him ...