Why I COULDN’T BUY a Shelby GT350 Mustang…
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Many people have asked me, "Why did you buy a Mach 1 Mustang and not a Shelby GT350 Mustang?" well, I'm glad you asked because I go over EXACTLY why I did! These Shelbys are such an awesome Mustang but that comes with some BIG risks that i wasn't willing to take. Gen 3 Coyote FTW!!
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How about a gt 500
The 350 will always be more desirable and hold more value than the mach. The mach needed a unique engine to separate it from the GT. A CPC 5.2 would have been a no brainer in this car. 10k more now will sound like a bargain down the road. Repeat of 03/04.
Definitely repeat of 03/04 imo. But Derek’s car is really nice!
03-04 machs have also held their value considerably better than a GT has. Granted that's a 4v vs 2v thing but I would assume although maybe to slightly less of a degree, this will still hold its value significantly better than a GT.
@Rare Cars the old Mach had a way better engine and unique powerplant compared to a gt. I think the modern one should have a 12.5:1 5.2 cpc with a factory cj and unique cams then it would be as much an upgrade over the gt as the 03-04 was in its time. The new one is great everywhere but the engine it's just not different enough to warrant the prices they go for imo.
@midnight347 yes I agree I think the mach1 is only worth it if you're getting stick because the Tremeck is an amazing transmission. I love it in my gt350. Might as well go 18+ gt if you're getting automatic.
The GT350 is special I will never sell mine title in hand and paid off! Love the procharged beast!
What is up louis no videos lately. I love my too
@@rudyedghill8660 yeah I’ve been slacking on the videos lol 😂 I will be posting one on Monday.
GT350 > any other 5.0 mustang.
GT350 FPC = poor man’s FPC. Drive or listen to a LT6 Z06, and the Voodoo sound will give you a headache. Harsh, and raspy.
This is true
@@ClickbaitMotorsportssick
VOODOOOOOOOO👏
@@ClickbaitMotorsports C8Z sounds like a bike, Voodoo is just unique.
while i’m struggling, your videos are the happy place in my life right now bro
Love my 21 mach 1, handling package, appearance package, 6 speed. I thought about the gt350, but didn't want to worry or deal with those issues. Also, they underrated the mach 1s I think. Every stock one I have seen has dynoed between 503 and 526 hp. Best bang for the buck and reliability IMO.
That's why you buy a warranty.
I did 2 years of almost daily research before buying my GT350, and found that the same few people were blasting the gen 1 engines on all of the GT350 groups. And after seemingly endless searches, it seems that less than 1% of all gen 1 engines actually had problems.
This is a great point. Only people with issues come on the internet to complain. Those that are happy don't. Have to spend the time and do the research.
Regardless, just buy a 350 and get the warranty. I bought a 2017 GT350, then purchased the extended warranty through Lombard. Simple. Also, dude is wrong - GT350s NEVER came with auto rev match.
@@danielmembrillo6472 was going to point that out about the rev matching, forgot to in my comment.
Also, it's not even close to a 50/50 shot if a gen 1 is going to blow up, it's actually less than 1% of engines that were effected, and they narrowed it down to one build team, which the trainee was leaving the timing tensioner blocks in, the rest of the engines were pretty much flawless (with the exception of buyers not following proper break-in procedures).
@@danielmembrillo6472 all the single builder engines had zero issues.
@@EraudogYep, the ignorance in this video is astounding.
My 2014 s197 has a mmr 5.2 with 14:1 compression
Ported mmr heads
Custom grind cams
Revs to 9k
620 wheel tuned by Brandon at Lund
Same reason I went with a Mach 1 over a GT350R. Engines are just iffier and felt better about having a warranty with it. Even if the Voodoos don't have a catastrophic issue, they do often burn oil. Coyotes are generally pretty bulletproof, even enough to to handle turbo or superchargers up to 700-750hp without upgraded internals, just upgraded oil pump gears. I'd rather supercharge a Mach 1 than get a 350.
If the GT350 had the same reliability as the 5.0’s then I wouldn’t understand why someone would take a Mach 1 over it. But, unfortunately it doesn’t so I could definitely see why you chose the Mach 1 instead. Nonetheless I think you made a great choice!
if you get a gen 2 350 is pretty reliable
@@BestArmani Yeah but as Derek mentioned in the video they are a lot more expensive than gen 1's. Finding a super low mile gen 2 for 60k would be pretty tough.
@@Tanner_Teves I paid $58k for my 2019.
@@Eraudog and in 2023 they're still worth 60k if not more.
@@brettwiederkehr386 yea they are
I want the old supercharger whine intro
That's the exact same reason I chose the Mach 1 plus a lot more torque down low.
The GT350 has more torque, 429 compared to 420. Is there something different about the Mach 1 that gives it more torque than advertised?
@@mikehoncho7165 As I mentioned in the comments the Mach1 has more torque "down low" which means in the low RPM range. The GT350 gets the 429 torque up top in the high RPM range. The Mach 1 you are correct has 9 less torque but that's up top.
the footage in the beginning is exactly the content i need in my life
Thats why I traded in my 2016 GT350 over a year ago it started to have that 2k raddle and took it in to have them look at it. They said its fine and a natural sound it makes...but if it gets worse bring it back in. I only had like 2000 miles/3 months left on warranty and was told at the time 27k to replace it if bad. So I did not feel conferrable driving it anymore sadly so I went to Toyota and traded it in for a MK5 Supra and still loving the car. No issues and I needed a change form mustangs I owned 5 of them and wanted something new.
Derek I encourage everyone to be careful with gen 3 coyotes , I blew my motor on my 2019 with only 26k miles , car was completely stock and meticulously taken care of …. A friend of mine blew his 2022 with less than 10k miles and the car was stock as well ….. lately I’ve heard about a couple people with the same issues …. Camshafts going out and the timing chain as well … love the platform but it’s insane how weak the motors are compared to gen 2s which I owned in the past .
All of this happened with no warnings , no check enegine lights , no loss in performance… complete surprise
I have a gen 1 2016 that has given me great service No oil Problems
Got a 19 GT350 and then a 20' GT350R. Only mess with 19/20. Mach 1 is cool but its no shelby. My R was over 80k so i understand the price range. Worth it
Great choice Derek! Didn’t know that about the 16 to 18 350’s! Wow no wonder why the 19 and up are expensive!
Kinda hard to find a gt350 that hasn’t been raped that’s for dang sure but I do love my 2018 gt350..the Mach are nice nice cars too.. they have all the gt350 parts without the the 5.2 motor .. plus a lot of ppl when they bought the gt350 new didn’t do the brake in period correctly so that’s why the motors failed too! Hopefully 🤞🏼 (fingers crossed) I won’t ever have to replace the motor in mine
Good looking car not a bad choice, depends on what your going to do with car , daily driver Mach 1 , weekend Gt350 , the 350 will definitely hold value being a 5.2 flatplane , just my opinion
The 350’s do sound awesome! But I LOVE my 19 PP1! The Dragon is practically in my backyard. Always fun, just watch out for the POPO. Keep the shiny side up!👍
Gen 2 engines grenade as well. I have a gen 1, not a single issue whatsoever. I think a large problem is user error; I always let it get up to temp before getting on it, check the oil regularly, and only add oil as recommended per the supplemental owners manual ("DO NOT ADD OIL UNTIL..."). I think people either let the oil go too long without checking and/or over filled the oil. That said, they are a high revving, crazy engine that are more prone to issues than a cross-plane crank. I get it - I was a little apprehensive when I got mine. I'll eventually change to either a GT500, C7/C8 Z06, etc... I think I will feel a little peace of mind when I do.
That was biggest problem with the 350 was it has some oil consumption and people didn’t check it then it blew up from lack of oil. Just gotta pay attention
@Raven5.0 it isn't that hard to check the oil lol. Guys that are hands off let the dealer work on it type of people prob don't belong in a gt350 anyways.
Where is the manual that I can read ?
I think you still made a good decision buying the Mach. When you get baller money, skip the regular 350 and go straight for the GT350-R.
Nah get a 2017-2019 gt350 since its the same as the R, then boost and build the gt350, that's what I'm doing.
@@SkepticalVex why a 17-18 they will blow up 19 -20 only
Unless documented paperwork of gen 2 voodoo swap
It’s the same car 😂
@@Ezvy Damn can tell you haven't worked on or been around American cars too much but that's alright. Not everyone is a car guy, computers, movies, is what it is.
Exactly the reasons I was thinking in my head before pulling a trigger on my car, couldn't gamble on GT350 and like you I was not patient to find the right one with warranty !
350R > any other Mustang
Imagine Derek with a gt500 that has to be next man
Currently in a procharged 2V. Crazy to see how far you’ve come. Definitely a goal
Gt350r are way better
Truth! You get what you pay for They are truly special cars the Mach 1 is just a loaded gt not special at all.
Nothing better than the 5.2 Voodoo. The sound of it alone is to die for, and with a tune tweak it’s a super-strong pulling motor. 8250 RPM too!
9:30 i put those fenders on my s197 it looks AMAZING BRO
Guess I was lucky as I have 83+ thousand miles on my GT350 with no oil burning and ZERO problems.
if you think the 5.2is expensive to replace just wait till i tell you how much a oem 5.8 from ford costs
I was telling Derek about this lol
@@gordonhenrichs yeah idk how i got mine to be warratied but it was 40k for a brand new motor and 8k to assemble and install. took me a year and i didnt have to pay that much luckily. and i have 3 year warranty again lol
Yo Derek imma need a full 20 min video of just driving around with other mustangs. that sound never gets old
I completely agree with you and believe you made the right move! Congratulations on a great car!!!
The Burlacher has a 2017 Gt350? And his motor blew up 1-2 times. He has warranty on it as well. Other than that, I love how the voodoo motors sound
Thanks for sharing your journey with us!
Can you get the rear seat delete from Ford aftermarket? On the 2023 configurator it does one of those dumb things where it forces you to delete the rear spoiler in order to get the seat delete.
Couldn’t agree more. I have a Mach 1 and that was the reason. And like you said one day when I have more money I’d like a Shelby gt 350 lol
I gotta go with the gt350 😩
Mach 1 just not worth the premium, it's basically a GT with a few cosmetic upgrads. I'd rather get a base GT and use the money for a blower and other performance mods.
I own a mach 1. Cant wait to see the mods for your mach 1 so I can do the same!
So what year is the Gen 2 Voodoo engine? I'm new to Ford.. I've always been a Camaro SS guy starting with my 67 & 2016 SS. then Challenger. I'm seriously considering a Mach1 or the Dark Horse. I'm trying to learn about Mustang's.
Appreciate Gordon’s Knowledge of the car and your passenger in the beginning of the video needed to slide the seat up he was barely in the video
Thank you!
It’s kind of hard to make a decision what type of car you’re gonna buy it could be a GT500 or a ZL1 Camaro or a Hellcat it’s kind of challenging
Demon over hellcat
The only better thing on the gt350 to me is the wider fenders and Shelby seats that being said I love my 22 Mach 1
I saw yall driving earlier today. mach 1 is stupid clean in person
I don’t know why they’re talking down the GT 350. All you do is buy the car and buy a warranty. That’s what I did. It covers everything and mine supercharged. I called in to the insurance company they know what’s on there and what would be replaced if it blows up.
When are we going to see more DOS content? Streaming, music, pranks, behind the scenes life of as a newlywed?
just like anything its amazing when it works and sucks really bad when it doesn't hence u made the right decision imo GT350 is such a gamble for the gen 1 idek how u could enjoy driving such a beautiful car wondering when in might start burning oil or worse blow.
Can’t lie these two cars would be a sick garage setup
They all have their ups and downs that's a crazy thing you have to gamble that's one gamble you don't want to lose and keep up the great work brotha 🤘💯
Broo you should take the Mach to those mountains where the roads were wavy and you drove the C7🔥🔥😊
Mach 1 is a great car but it doesn't beat a GT350. Gen 1 issues are real but not as big as the hype made them, 3-4k oil changes with checking the dip every 2nd fill up likely would've saved a lot of issues (and some engines) but Ford didn't set the schedules and expectations properly.
Drove my Mach from north east Indiana to pigeon forge Friday, rode the dragon Saturday even being a non HP car It handled it Hella good
Gen 2 voodo 19+ is better than gen 1
But will never and I mean never be better than a coyote in any aspect but stock form that’s it
Glad ur still uploading!!! Been here since the beginning brother! Best of luck with everything!
Correct me if im wrong. The HP difference really isn't that much. Maybe a tune could get the Mach there? I feel like for value, the Mach 1 is the way to go.
Please do not hate I have a manual,, gt ,, I opted out for the automatic mach1 ,,
Shelby's are special for sure. Why gamble at that price point unless you have money to burn. You can explore the limits of your Mach 1 and when your ready see what the next level you want to rise too. You have been steadily rising up. Go to VIR and switch them up and see how they stack up.
You should have bought a gt350 from Carmax. They have a 30 day, 1500 mile return policy. You could drive it long enough to see if the engine is consuming a lot of oil or not
I like the headlights better on the Mach 1... They look sleeker...
Is there metallic in the grabber blue now? It's really hard to tell from the video. Is this different from the 2013 grabber blue?
Love them both bro, and at any given time our motors could all have major problems so I’m choosing both and I think u made a good choice, the mach fits dbp family well! Great content bro once again! Keep ‘em coming
Great video, two different engines complimenting each other so well.
That’s the reason why they discontinued the 350 and replaced it’s with the dark horse
Derek fun fact. Your car has No Lift Shift like the 6th gen camaro ss and the c7 vette. I hope you know that. Ford didnt mention it fully but yea the Mach 1's have No Lift Shift in them you should try it out and see how you like it i forgot RPM you have to be in to engage it.
Love the constant content bro🔥congrats again on the car
There are bad motors out there in every car, including the Coyote. I have a Gen 1 with no issues. I had a Coyote before that , it used a litre of oil between changes. My BMW M3 also went through a litre between changes. High compression engines will do this...The very few bad eggs u are talking about compared to the good eggs are far and few between! Feels a little Shelby bashing I'm afraid. Looking forward to your better videos.
I have a Gen2 no issues ! Agree totally.
I didn't consider any Mustang but Shelby GT350. The reason is that GT350 is so balanced, connected to the road similar to GT3 and has soul under the hood.
2:29 actually thought you were selling blucifer lol scared me for a minute 😅😂
Love the daily uploads, keep up the great work fam
Wish ford made gt350 fenders for the 18-23 mustangs
I did it to mine. I have a sept 2021 build engine in my 2017 gt350 30 days before my 5yr was over last year.
So glad to see this review..The GT350 is a great car but you gotta either get a outstanding warranty or a car with Gen 2 motor and all paperwork.. Hopefully one day I can on one..30k for a motor is a big bill.. You would be better off swapping a 5.0 motor in it and dona all motor build on it and save for Money..Good Review..Love both cars!
The manual says 1qt every 500+ miles is not an issue.
Mach was the better choice bro. My buddy had to replace his engine in his 18 350.... wasn't cheap
First of all, it's a SHELBY, not just a Mustang anymore. It's not just the engine that is better, the suspension, transmission, brakes, exhaust, wheels, front spoiler, rear spoiler, seats, gages, are all better. I can't afford to get one, but I did get a V6 Mustang.
Maverick sounds so smooth I love it
I’m taking a 350, and don’t get me wrong. I like the MACH but to me they miss monikered that car, they should’ve made it the Boss 302, typically throughout history MACH’s have some form of cobra style engine in them. To me the new MACH is just a GT performance pack two on steroids. If Ford would’ve taken the engine that was in the Shelby GT500 the 5.2 Predator and made a naturally aspirated variant of it and put that in there I would take the MACH that would make it stand out from any Mustang GT. Ford got lazy, they had way too many Bullet GT engines left because the demand did not meet the supply, so they decided to keep those in the parts bin, and just reuse them in the mock one and to sweeten the deal, they decided to put in the tremack transmission that was in the GT350. If they would’ve put a naturally aspirated version of the cross plane crank 5.2 predator I’d buy the Mach witho a doubt.
I think most people didn’t watch the blucifer video because they may have thought it was a reposted video and didn’t want to rewatch a reposted video even though it wasn’t
I love it, got a video to watch almost every night from my fav youtouber🤩🔥🔥🔥💪🏽🤘🏽keep up the work fam💯
There are a lot of low milage 350 hitting the market. Ford decision to create their own version of a flat plane left many scratching their heads. Ford realized their flat plane, if mass produced will be problemic and dropped it. Besides the 500 was high revving, sounds great, and now the better collectible alternative. Reliability and parts will be a problem in the future; more so if a daily driver or track demon. People are a bit worried if their 350 is a ticking time bomb. The Dark Horse is the way to go for similar pricing.
Does the Tremec in the Mach 1 have the huge ratio gap between 5th and 6th. If there's two things I hate about my 2018 GT350 it's the tram lining and the stupid tall 6th gear. I would happily pay for the extra gas if it had a more useable 6th gear.
Ice cold nice vid Derek keep up the good work bro 🤘🏾
The beauty of the Mach 1 (which I with I bought over my beloved S550GT) is that it is the best 'Franken-Stang' ever. They upgraded the Coyote engine, and took the best pieces and parts from the GT350 and GT500 and slapped it onto what became the latest version of the Mach 1. Freakin' gorgeous car. It's the version of Coyote that will be remembered for a looooong time.
Would be really kool if you did a meet n greet somewhere around either Pigeon Forge or Sevierville, Tn when you come run the Dragon. I live like 45 mins away and would love a chance to shake your hand qnd check out the Mach in person. Give it a thought and see if that's an option for you. 🤙✌️
Heading down to my neck of the woods...might see ya when you come down to take on the Tail
I’ll be honest I didn’t know that but now knowing that I agree with your decision 100%
can't wait to see you guys at the dragon! i'm local so hopfully i'll see you guys! i'm whipping a silver 2014 mustang with black stripes !!!
When I’m financially ready, either Mach 1 or GT350. I know I’ve been saying for the past 6 years ima grab me a mustang but I will. I’m not rushing so hopefully sometime soon it’ll happen.
Yeah definitely grabbing gonna get Mach 1 now
Man when are you coming to the dragon? I’m a local, I’ve got my mustang up there all the time, I’d love to make some passes with you while you’re here
At first I was 350 all the way but your Mach1 is growing on me 😂
Bro you made the right decision and when you get in the financial position you should just get the GT500 Bro.
Just picked up a Mach 1 and lovin it/your videos
Listen, dawg, kid had band concert las t night😂 I got caught up this morning
Awesome content watching from Louisville, Kentucky so you not going add Shelby GT 350 channel? Race engine
You mentioned jake getting a dark horse. Which dealer in VA did he go through? Just curious if it’s the same one I went through.
My buddy has a 2018 GT350R it is so nice. He got it for 50-60k .
Lol sure he did
does that gt350 have a burble tune? sounds sick when the gas is let off
Sounds stock to me. Thats the way they sound
I don’t blame you.. I ONLY always hear bad things about the gt350 and the motor